Sidebyside Research

[Swami71]

100 train paladin with 3 ranks sidebyside and 202 cman
1 caster raised: 4 AS
2 casters raised: 6 AS
1 square w/3 ranks: 9 AS
2 casters same square: 11 AS

100 train paladin with 4 ranks sidebyside and 202 cman
1 caster raised: 5 AS
2 casters raised: 8 AS
1 square w/3 ranks: 11 AS
2 casters same square: 13 AS
Did some more testing with a larger group and it capped at +20 AS with 4 ranks and 202 cman.

100 train paladin with 5 ranks sidebyside and 202 cman
1 caster raised: 7 AS
2 casters raised: 10 AS
1 square w/3 ranks: 14 AS
2 casters same square: 17 AS
Max 23 AS?

[thefarmer]

I'd include CM training. I've heard people say that it's affected their bonus before, though I have no direct experience.

[Nuc]

I'm on teras with rank 5 sbs if you want another person to test with. Can also get someone with rank 4 sbs as well.

[Swami71]

I'd include CM training. I've heard people say that it's affected their bonus before, though I have no direct experience.

Your probably right. The younger warrior had slightly different results with 3 ranks Sidebyside.



I'm on teras with rank 5 sbs if you want another person to test with. Can also get someone with rank 4 sbs as well.

I'll take you up on that in a little bit.

[Swami71]

Did some testing with Nuc and his crew. Small difference when grouped with someone with 4 or 5 ranks. Did learn that for the 100 paladin with 4 ranks and 202 cman his AS bonus capped at +20.

[Nuc]

let me know when you hit rank 5 so we can see if its capped at 20

[AMUSED1]

Be sure to add this research to krakiipedia's article on it too when all the testing is done and results are finalized! Please.

[Swami71]

Available Combat Maneuver Training Points: 13
Unlearning Combat Maneuver Training Points: 44
Estimated time until next point conversion: 20 minutes

need 15 points

[Swami71]

Be sure to add this research to krakiipedia's article on it too when all the testing is done and results are finalized! Please.

Not sure we'll get it complete enough to post. These are some good estimates to know though when training. The three other characters with sidebyside were not capped and their numbers are slightly different (cman and/or profession we think)

[Fallen]

Good stuff, Siphere.

[yesicj]

Not sure we'll get it complete enough to post. These are some good estimates to know though when training. The three other characters with sidebyside were not capped and their numbers are slightly different (cman and/or profession we think)

I'm loathe to tell a person doing stuff voluntarily what to do, but even if it doesn't seem complete enough to you, I think this kind of thing needs to be somewhere at least moderately easily accessible. Either on KP or GSGuide, or even just stickied in this folder would be pretty huge. Just so anyone who wants to see what you've found or contribute to it doesn't have to try too hard to find it (and I'm aware that it's not difficult to search the forums, this would just be easier than that).

So yes, please post what you find somewhere. And thanks.

[Swami71]

Who all has editing writes on Krakii? Fallen? Dacapn?

Wouldn't be bad to post that these are the results for the specific character (Prof, level, cman) and that results may vary depending on those things.

[Loyrl]

I have editing rights on krakii, i suck at doing it though, usually i just throw up AS & DS's for melee on mobs that don't have it.

[Danical]

Someone lobby on the Officials that mstrikes should get the SBS bonus.

[Xaerve]

Someone lobby on the Officials that mstrikes should get the SBS bonus.


Agreed, it makes no sense that it should not impact Mstrike.

[AMUSED1]

Who all has editing writes on Krakii? Fallen? Dacapn?

Wouldn't be bad to post that these are the results for the specific character (Prof, level, cman) and that results may vary depending on those things.

I'd say quite a few more than that from the PC does. Anyone can get editing rights on krakiipedia.org.

[Drew]

Yeah I have them. You just need to sign up.

[Swami71]

Updated results for rank 5 sidebyside

Please post your personal results in this thread.

[m444w]

how do you get editing rights to Krakiipedia?

[Nuc]

You need me to test again?

[Swami71]

You need me to test again?

I'm satisfied with the results we got. Gives me a good idea of the benefits. If there is anything you want to try let me know.

[Nuc]

I just wanted to see if the max went over 20 or not.

[Asrial]

Bumping this thread.

So if I get to rank 5 and the person I hunt with is at rank 5.. what AS/DS gain will we see?

Also... is it people in the room or people grouped with you? What about people hidden and stalking you?

[Swami71]

Bumping this thread.

So if I get to rank 5 and the person I hunt with is at rank 5.. what AS/DS gain will we see?

Also... is it people in the room or people grouped with you? What about people hidden and stalking you?

From my results two people (one with 5 ranks, other 3 ranks) got +14 AS. So you can expect a little bit better than that +18-20 AS.

They need to be grouped. Not sure about hidden/stalking.

[Guarrin]

Great stuff. I always thought it provided a DS/TD bonus as well. That's a bit of a let down.

[Kitsun]

It does provide DS as well, people just aren't as excited about it. I'm not sure how TD adding would even make sense for this maneuver.

[BigWorm]

It does provide DS as well, people just aren't as excited about it. I'm not sure how TD adding would even make sense for this maneuver.

I would like to see it add CMAN defense as well which I think would make sense.

[Celephais]

It does provide DS as well, people just aren't as excited about it. I'm not sure how TD adding would even make sense for this maneuver.
As for trying to justify things making sense in a magical world, I don't see a problem with saying that you combine your magical wills to defend each other. If TD is some resistive force against magic I don't see why you can't apply it to your neighbors if properly trained.

I would like to see it add CMAN defense as well which I think would make sense.
Yeah that'd be cool.

[droit]

The AS/DS bonuses from SBS have a bunch of factors. Among them are the number of people in your group, the CM training of the people in your group, their proficiency at SBS. The more of each, the better bonus you'll see. I think group members with no CM and no SBS provide +2, whereas people with CM training and no SBS will provide a point or two more and people with CM and SBS ranks provide +5-8 or more.

[Nuc]

From my results two people (one with 5 ranks, other 3 ranks) got +14 AS. So you can expect a little bit better than that +18-20 AS.

They need to be grouped. Not sure about hidden/stalking.

Hidden/stalking drops the bonus. I tried to stack it with camo and it didn't work.

[droit]

Hidden/stalking drops the bonus. I tried to stack it with camo and it didn't work.

No, you get the bonus when you ambush if you're stalking someone. When you stalk then ambush, you remain in their group. You can't stack it with 608 because as soon as you stalk someone, you lose the 608 bonus.

[Kitsun]

In my 5 man group. 2 pures (No CM), 1 pure(25 CM, 2 ranks of SBS), 1 Square (164 CM, no SBS), Semi (101 CM, 3 Ranks SBS). Semi gets +5AS/DS. The pure with SBS only got +2AS/DS for the two ranks.

Not sure what to make of the formula.

[Kitsun]

Actually the strange part was, the bard's +5 didn't change from before the cleric had the CM/SBS training and after.