Holiday Assholes

[Clove]

Okay I'll start the season off.

I just watched a pickup truck turn at an intersection like a total moron trying to force his way through plowed snow and succeeding to hit a parked Mitsubishi in the process. He drove off like nothing happened. I took down his license plate then reported it to the police.

Happy Holidays jerk.

[Cephalopod]

I thought this might have to do with a bad case of eggnog.

[Kuyuk]

making my own eggnog tomorrow.

yummy

[Fruity2k]

I whip up a special eggnog every Christmas. It's the most wonderful time of the year.

For anyone interested in my secret recipe:

You add 1 part whiskey to 1 glass.

Consume.

[Kuyuk]

yeah, mine is about 1/2 alcohol (bourbon/rum/sherry) to eggnog


yolks+sugar - ribbon
add alcohols
add milk/cream 4:1 ratio
grate fresh nutmeg into it.

scrumptious.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I went to the Cambridgeside Galleria and am walking into Macy's and past this lady surrounded by cops going through her bags. She's handcuffed and screaming at them, calling them Motherfuckers, etc.. basically making a huge spectacle.

As a group of us are walking past she gives us all the crazy eye and starts screaming at us to stop staring, that she can't believe we're letting them do this to her, and so on.

I admit that I did stop to see if they were going to taze her because she was getting pretty wild, lol.

[TheEschaton]

There's a great Afghani restaurant right across from the Cambridgeside Galleria. Mmmmm. Afghani food.

[Kuyuk]

I bet it's under surveillance 24/7...

...and so are you now...

[Numbers]

There's a great Afghani restaurant right across from the Cambridgeside Galleria. Mmmmm. Afghani food.

Helmand?

[Barundar]

I used to work at a Target, behind the electronics desk. Things during the holidays were a zoo. At one point I was working through an uncountable number of people and I finished with a customer, this guy with a kid comes up and asks a question about a camera, I spend about 5 minutes with him and sell the guy some stuff. As he's turning away this lady walks up and says she was there first. I apologize and say I'd love to help her, she begins to call the guy a jerk (remember this is in front of his kid) and tell him that he doesn't even belong in Colorado because she is a native and everyone else isn't. She begins to get so obnoxious that other random customers start to intervene and try to calm her down. Again I try to talk to the lady and actually help her, you know, shop, but she was too focused on yelling at the guy. To his credit he seemed fairly dumbfounded and just left after about 2 minutes of abuse, I'm saddened that I was forced to actually help her when she finished her diatribe.

[Geshron]

All management @ UPS are shitheads this time of year. Hate. Can't wait to be done tonight.

[Kyra231]

I'm putting the 20 things I have from my cart onto the counter for checkout, as I'm finishing up this woman comes up & stands about 5" behind me(hello... personal space?). Then as I put the last item down she bellows in my ear 'Is that IT??'

She proceeds to start tossing her things onto the counter. She wedges her package of paper towels in behind my things & tells me "Just tell them to stop at the towels." All the while she's muttering & tossing items on top of each other until they're ready to fall off.

Mind you the person in front of me hasn't even finished paying yet.

The cashier started checking my stuff out and asked me how old the baby was as she was ringing up produce & the bitch behind me screeches "DAMN just ring the shit UP already!!!"

I'm assuming she either has the screaming shits or is in dire need of her crack pipe at this point & glare at her. Her response was "I'm from L.A." which she made sure she said after every time she bitched loudly at the cashier for 'stopping' to ring up produce or to wrap my candle in a few bags so it didn't break.

I made it a point to stop & tell the cashier Merry Christmas, Hope you have a happy new year, I love your hat...anything to slow the process down & piss the bitch off behind me at that point.

I told her Merry Christmas to you also...I got the mutter of 'I'm from L.A. I don't DO Christmas."

[B2]

My worst was when I was still working at the Cheesecake Factory. On Christmas Eve, two 21-year-old boys came in and ordered the most expensive appetizers, the most expensive steaks, the most expensive beer, the most expensive liquor, and the most expensive cheesecake. Cute boys my age ordering like crazy? I was all over that table. At the end of the meal, they ordered two shots of Hennessey XO asked to see the manager. Since everything had gone perfectly, I figured it was good. People ask to see the manager for compliments all the time.

They told him that I had given the worst service that they'd ever had. They had to flag down other waitstaff for every little thing, they had to wait 20 minutes before they could even order, they went 20 minutes without having their drinks refilled. All of it was COMPLETELY false, and the manager knew it. He didn't comp a thing.

They came into the restaurant planning on getting a free meal on Christmas Eve. They pulled it on ME. My blood still boils.

[AnticorRifling]

I'd meet them in the parking lot after just to let them know they are douche bags. You know for to hand them a verbal beat down, I'm not suggesting using a steak knife to open them from adams apple to asshole.


I had a good night doing LP last night I love handing out stainless steel bracelets as a free gift for christmas :)

[Whimsi]

I have to admit to being one of those customers that everyone loves to hate recently. I was in line at Safeway and when it was my turn I asked what I thought was a simple question about a sale price of one of their one time housewares items and how long the sale was going to continue. The clerk said she didn't know and tried to brush me off and continue ringing me up. I got irritated enough to insist that I receive an answer as I felt it was a legitimate question about an ongoing sale. It was busy and no one else was available to run find the item in question so she had to do it. I single handedly ground her line to a halt. I just hate being brushed off.

[AnticorRifling]

That's ok, you're definately important enough to waste everyone else's time, good job.

I mean there's no way you could finished ringing and then found someone that wasn't engaged in checking customers out I totally understand.

[Whimsi]

That's ok, you're definately important enough to insist on good customer service

FTFY.

And I totally agree.

[Daniel]

I have to admit to being one of those customers that everyone loves to hate recently. I

You're a bitch and everything that is wrong with America.

[AnticorRifling]

You saw no one else was available, knew it was busy and knew you just single handedly ground her line to a halt. Good job. You're that guy.

The clerk said she didn't know and continued doing her job of ringing you out. I get it you want great customer service, we all do. But in the context of what you provided you were being a Holiday Asshole as this thread name indicates.

Like I said get your shit bagged, let the line continue so everyone else can check out and go find a manager or someone else to check for you. But no, that's crazy it's more important to find out how long something is going to be on sale because everyone else behind you their time is free.

[AnticorRifling]

I have to admit to being one of those customers that everyone loves to hate recently. I was in line at Safeway and when it was my turn I asked what I thought was a simple question about a sale price of one of their one time housewares items and how long the sale was going to continue. The clerk said she didn't know and tried to brush me off and continue ringing me up. I got irritated enough to insist that I receive an answer as I felt it was a legitimate question about an ongoing sale. It was busy and no one else was available to run find the item in question so she had to do it. I single handedly ground her line to a halt. I just hate being brushed off.
Just going to quote this, would hate to have it edited.

[Whimsi]

Just going to quote this, would hate to have it edited.

Nah, I don't do that. I'm too busy grinding stores to a halt to spare time for petty shit. It's a dirty job but somebody's gotta do it.

[Parkbandit]

My worst was when I was still working at the Cheesecake Factory. On Christmas Eve, two 21-year-old boys came in and ordered the most expensive appetizers, the most expensive steaks, the most expensive beer, the most expensive liquor, and the most expensive cheesecake. Cute boys my age ordering like crazy? I was all over that table. At the end of the meal, they ordered two shots of Hennessey XO asked to see the manager. Since everything had gone perfectly, I figured it was good. People ask to see the manager for compliments all the time.

They told him that I had given the worst service that they'd ever had. They had to flag down other waitstaff for every little thing, they had to wait 20 minutes before they could even order, they went 20 minutes without having their drinks refilled. All of it was COMPLETELY false, and the manager knew it. He didn't comp a thing.

They came into the restaurant planning on getting a free meal on Christmas Eve. They pulled it on ME. My blood still boils.

Imagine how you would have felt if your manager was a dumbfuck and comped them the dinner.

Personally, I would be happy the way this turned out.. they went in to be scumbags and ordered all the most expensive items.. and now they have to pay for it. This would have made my best Christmas experiences ever list.

[Parkbandit]

I have to admit to being one of those customers that everyone loves to hate recently. I was in line at Safeway and when it was my turn I asked what I thought was a simple question about a sale price of one of their one time housewares items and how long the sale was going to continue. The clerk said she didn't know and tried to brush me off and continue ringing me up. I got irritated enough to insist that I receive an answer as I felt it was a legitimate question about an ongoing sale. It was busy and no one else was available to run find the item in question so she had to do it. I single handedly ground her line to a halt. I just hate being brushed off.

You should be thankful I wasn't behind you...

I was in line at a grocery story a couple weeks back and this bitchy lady was in front of me. She was questioning every price that an item cost as the cashier scanned it. She got to some salad in a bag thing and demanded that it was a 2 for 1 price. The cashier called over a manager and it was determined that the lady had the wrong salad. The lady told the manager to go get her the one that was on sale... and the manager trotted off. The cashier then scanned the rest of the lady's items and said that she was going to cash me through since I only had 2 items.. but the lady said, and I quote "No, I would rather you not do that".

I laughed and told the lady that she didn't manage the store and that it wasn't up to her. I told the cashier to go ahead and ring me through, to which she did. The lady, shocked that someone would stand up to her like that, called me rude under her breath. I laughed at her.. looked into her face and laughed again. The cashier was smiling, winked at me and told me to have a happy holiday.

[Paradii]

People that hold up lines during the holidays should be sent to an internment camp for a few months, during which time their ability to procreate will be removed, and all current children would become wards of the state.

[Nieninque]

I kinda come from the other side of the coin to Whimsi,

I went into Tesco once a couple of years back, only had a couple of things and the knob that served me just scanned it through, told me the price and that was it. No please, no thank you when I gave him the money, nothing. When he gave me the money back, he still didnt say anything, so I said to him "do you not say please and thank you any more then?" Tesco build a whole advertising campaign on their customer service. He bullshitted something about having said it but I didnt hear him.

Anyway, every other time I have been unfortunate to queue at his till since (around five over the last couple of years) that petty fucker has refused to serve me. Sometimes there have been a bunch of people behind, and he has sat there with his inane fucking smirk on his face saying that he wont serve me because I was rude to HIM!

Fucking dick. The management at Tesco are a bunch of tards, I made a formal complaint in June and I still havent had an update. 6 months worth of grocery shopping they have missed out on from me. I'm not too bothered. Waitrose is just down the road from them and the quality of their food is far superior.

[Daniel]

You live in England. How being rude cn be construed as abnormal is beyond me.

[Nieninque]

You live in England. How being rude cn be construed as abnormal is beyond me.

How much time have you spent here?

[ElvenFury]

How much time have you spent here?

We've all seen Hot Fuzz. What manners you do show is clearly just hiding your true sociopathic tendencies.

[AnticorRifling]

I kinda come from the other side of the coin to Whimsi,

I went into Tesco once a couple of years back, only had a couple of things and the knob that served me just scanned it through, told me the price and that was it. No please, no thank you when I gave him the money, nothing. When he gave me the money back, he still didnt say anything, so I said to him "do you not say please and thank you any more then?" Tesco build a whole advertising campaign on their customer service. He bullshitted something about having said it but I didnt hear him.

Anyway, every other time I have been unfortunate to queue at his till since (around five over the last couple of years) that petty fucker has refused to serve me. Sometimes there have been a bunch of people behind, and he has sat there with his inane fucking smirk on his face saying that he wont serve me because I was rude to HIM!

Fucking dick. The management at Tesco are a bunch of tards, I made a formal complaint in June and I still havent had an update. 6 months worth of grocery shopping they have missed out on from me. I'm not too bothered. Waitrose is just down the road from them and the quality of their food is far superior.

That's not the same as answering your question and continuing to ring you out.

[Nieninque]

That's not the same as answering your question and continuing to ring you out.

No I know...he was a knob. I was the victim of a knob, that's why I said I was the other side of the coin. Stupid analogy, but then analogies usually are.

[Daniel]

How much time have you spent here?

Enough.

[Asile]

Nine years ago I worked in a costume shop, and I've determined that at least half the people who dress up as Santa have no business doing so. I couldn't believe the number of idiots who walked into the shop on December 18 expecting to rent the very best Santa costumes, despite the fact that almost all of those were reserved right after Halloween. The bitching that came from having to take the cheapest Santa suit or none at all was nuts. For some reason, I wasn't really feeling the Holiday Spirit that year...

Then there was two years ago when I worked in a major department store. From the day after Thanksgiving through December 22, most of the people that came in were general asses, but for some reason the folks that shopped on December 23 were...fantastic. They were patient, and understanding about items being sold out, as if they were taking responsibility for having waited almost until the last minute to shop. When I left work that evening, I was looking forward to the Christmas Eve crowd, figuring they'd be the same. WRONG!!! On Christmas Eve, it was all totally my fault that the lines were long everywhere, stock had been picked over, they couldn't find just what they wanted, etc etc. More than once I wanted to tell someone that it was just a fucking piece of thread and plastic and to get over themselves.

And for some reason we're going to go out to the mall today. I think I may have lost my mind.

[Nieninque]

An answer filled with your typical amount of enlightenment.

Actually, if people were rude to you, that's probably because you are in fact a knob. Being rude to a knob is the norm. Expected, even.

Please dont feel that that's how people respond to people who arent knobs. I know it must be hard for you, looking in from the outside, but you'll just have to take my word for it.

[AnticorRifling]

And for some reason we're going to go out to the mall today. I think I may have lost my mind.
I try to go to the mall every Christmas eve just to people watch, it's fun.

[AnticorRifling]

No I know...he was a knob. I was the victim of a knob, that's why I said I was the other side of the coin. Stupid analogy, but then analogies usually are.
I read goodly. I thought you said on the same side of the coin. Disregard and carry on.

[Daniel]

An answer filled with your typical amount of enlightenment.

Actually, if people were rude to you, that's probably because you are in fact a knob. Being rude to a knob is the norm. Expected, even.

Please dont feel that that's how people respond to people who arent knobs. I know it must be hard for you, looking in from the outside, but you'll just have to take my word for it.

Right and you're country is filled with good teeth and culinary masters as well.

[Clove]

Hehe happy to see the venting take off. :D

[ElvenFury]

Right and you're country is filled with good teeth and culinary masters as well.

I bet they get their homonyms correct, at least.

[Nieninque]

Right and you're country is filled with good teeth and culinary masters as well.

Holy shit, for someone so intelligent, you are fucking retarded.

[Gan]

I used to work at a Target, behind the electronics desk. Things during the holidays were a zoo. At one point I was working through an uncountable number of people and I finished with a customer, this guy with a kid comes up and asks a question about a camera, I spend about 5 minutes with him and sell the guy some stuff. As he's turning away this lady walks up and says she was there first. I apologize and say I'd love to help her, she begins to call the guy a jerk (remember this is in front of his kid) and tell him that he doesn't even belong in Colorado because she is a native and everyone else isn't. She begins to get so obnoxious that other random customers start to intervene and try to calm her down. Again I try to talk to the lady and actually help her, you know, shop, but she was too focused on yelling at the guy. To his credit he seemed fairly dumbfounded and just left after about 2 minutes of abuse, I'm saddened that I was forced to actually help her when she finished her diatribe.
Lived in Colorado for a year - ran into lots of people like that and they sucked which made Denver suck. I told them I was only slumming there for a year before going back to Texas, and to fuck off.


I try to go to the mall every Christmas eve just to people watch, it's fun.
People watching in the mall is great. Better on holidays.

Hehe happy to see the venting take off. :D
PC awesomeness

[B2]

I have to admit to being one of those customers that everyone loves to hate recently. I was in line at Safeway and when it was my turn I asked what I thought was a simple question about a sale price of one of their one time housewares items and how long the sale was going to continue. The clerk said she didn't know and tried to brush me off and continue ringing me up. I got irritated enough to insist that I receive an answer as I felt it was a legitimate question about an ongoing sale. It was busy and no one else was available to run find the item in question so she had to do it. I single handedly ground her line to a halt. I just hate being brushed off.

The clerk may not have the information. I worked at Bath & Body Works for 2 years, and I work at OfficeMax now, and we don't know the promotions ahead of time. They send us signage, and we put it up the night before. OfficeMax is pretty good about putting end dates on their stuff, but BBW didn't. They looked at trends and adjusted sales however they wanted whenever they wanted. How long is that $5 body cream deal going to last? Lady, it could end today or in three months. What I can guarantee is that it's on sale today, and we have your scent today, so I would recommend buying it today. That's one of the reasons the company doesn't tell its associates in advance about sales: they want you to buy today. You're in the store now; you might not come back if we tell you that you can leave and come back later.

Your cashier may have not communicated "I'm sorry miss, the company doesn't give us that sort of advance information about the duration of our sales, and I don't have any way to look that up for you," and she should have. At least you acknowledge that you were a real dick for pressing it.

[Clove]

I don't think she was being a dick. Granted the store may use tactics to make information as inconvenient as possible for their cashiers as well as their customers- but we're not obligated to settle for it. Whimsi had a legitimate question about a sale that should have been easy for the cashier to satisfy with:

"I'm sorry I don't have that information but I'm sure someone at our courtesy counter can help you. Looks like the line will only be another 10 minutes, it's moving fast today."

[DCSL]

Yes. Gawd, people are a bunch of 'waffles during the holidays. My time is valuable at work. You make an appointment and you arrive on time. That's the point of making an appointment, a specific time when I will be assisting you. ESPECIALLY during the holidays, when I'm working to get in every last client I can, trying to help everyone possible. And all my co-workers are doing the same.

You don't waltz in two hours late. TWO HOURS LATE. It was in the last group of appointments I took that day, which meant that my shift was only an hour away from being over by the time they tiptoed in. When I explained to the asshole that his appointment was two hours ago, and that I knew he knew it was two hours ago because I had taken the appointment as a favor to him only four hours before that, he looked dumbfounded. He said, I swear, "Your time's not THAT valuable."

At which point I smiled and refused him service. The attitude of entitlement that many customers take on just galls me. I mean, really? Do you really think you're that awesome, that important?

My manager keeps trying to pressure me into going into manager training, despite the fact that I'm still in school for something different. I tell her, especially during the holidays, that it's not going to happen until I can slap the customers around a little.

[TheEschaton]

I would have punched him in the face.

[Clove]

I tell her, especially during the holidays, that it's not going to happen until I can slap the customers around a little.Fuck. When did they stop allowing that?!?!

[Asile]

The attitude of entitlement that many customers take on just galls me. I mean, really? Do you really think you're that awesome, that important?

Yes, a lot of people do think they're that important. And I love bringing them down a peg or two when I can.

Surprisingly, the worst I saw yesterday, really, were just the dicks in the parking lot who refuse to do alternate merge when there's a shitload of people trying to move around. Really, is pausing for 30 seconds to allow a car to get in front of you so there can be room for someone else to park going to put you THAT far behind schedule? If so, it's your own fucking fault.

[LMingrone]

Haven't read the whole thread, but I have a relevant story.
Couple days ago I'm driving around, helping a few people plow and shovel. I'm driving home and someone bumps my car from behind and I bump into the car in front of me (stopped at a red light). Barely could tell we even bumped, no damage. I tell the two cars to follow me into a gas station so we're not in the middle of an intersection. They didn't follow me.

Ten minutes later: Cops show up at my house and arrest me! My first arrest! Happy holidays!

[Revalos]

Haven't read the whole thread, but I have a relevant story.
Couple days ago I'm driving around, helping a few people plow and shovel. I'm driving home and someone bumps my car from behind and I bump into the car in front of me (stopped at a red light). Barely could tell we even bumped, no damage. I tell the two cars to follow me into a gas station so we're not in the middle of an intersection. They didn't follow me.

Ten minutes later: Cops show up at my house and arrest me! My first arrest! Happy holidays!

Yep...do you live in a major metro area? That is a pretty common tactic here in DC. Get a good lawyer because the happiness is only beginning for you...

[LMingrone]

Was in New Haven. So "major" is relative. Fuck lawyers. I got cameras (pics/vid), witnesses, and have never had any kind of infraction EVER. I'm guessing I'll get a small fine. I'm just pissed I didn't have anyone around to take pics of me in cuffs. I coulda got my street cred.

/And LOL at cops talking about getting drunk the night before because of their fantasy teams.
//They made me take my hat off. There's nothing more de-humanzing than that for me.

[Kuyuk]

shoulda asked to be tazed, just cuz.

[LMingrone]

Oh, I've got the shit tazed out of myself before. First time actually getting cuffed though.

[Clove]

Fuck that you get street cred until they pepper spray you in the eyes and crack something open bad enough to need stitches.


When they put you in here and they booked you, you was crying like a pussy!
Yeah!

[Paradii]

If there is less than 500 dollars worth of damage, isn't the rule of thumb that there is no need to call the police. Thereby, you weren't leaving the scene of an accident?

[Revalos]

If there is less than 500 dollars worth of damage, isn't the rule of thumb that there is no need to call the police. Thereby, you weren't leaving the scene of an accident?

But here's the loophole: What is $500 worth of damage? I have six 5cm scrapes just above my wheelwell that go down to the paint primer on my Subaru from scraping a post in Alexandria, VA. It will cost $670 to repaint that section.

Either (or both, if it was a scam) of the other vehicles can claim more damage than that, even if it didn't really occur in that incident (spilled stuff in the car, damage to clothes, etc...) because they are doing this to get free money since LMingrone's insurance will pay for it (which, since he already got arrested, has already happened probably).

Never leave the scene of any accident, no matter how minor. Never move vehicles, no matter where the accident is, and NEVER ADMIT ANYTHING TO THE OTHER DRIVER(s), exchange no information, just write down visible things you see damage-wise and the license plate numbers. If the other driver gives you their information, politely state that you will provide your information in the presence of the police when they arrive.

[Jace Solo]

Imagine how you would have felt if your manager was a dumbfuck and comped them the dinner.

Personally, I would be happy the way this turned out.. they went in to be scumbags and ordered all the most expensive items.. and now they have to pay for it. This would have made my best Christmas experiences ever list.

What kind of tip did they leave...guessing 10% bare min. I have been getting ducked constantly this year.

Other night I had a friendly African American couple sit at my four top. They spent an hour eating and left me 5 on 60-something. The proceeded to sit there through then next hr even though I through every polite way of hint for them to leave. We were packed and they tipped shit and cost me atleast one, probably two more tables. Finally, I had to tell them we were still on an hour wait and our hostesses desperately needed the table to quell the line. They stared at me blankly and grumbled that I ruined their dinner and it was such a shame after such good service.
Fuck Opra. Let's not take into account that waiting on them cost me money because they basically paid me 8 bucks for two hours, after my hrly wage is included, to weight on them.

Really Opra? Is it alright to pay someone 4 dollars an hour you must cunt?

Cough, I'm sorry. The disrespect pompus assholes who are removed from society think they can just mouth off with. Fucking librals.

[Reawing]

What kind of tip did they leave...guessing 10% bare min. I have been getting ducked constantly this year.

Other night I had a friendly African American couple sit at my four top. They spent an hour eating and left me 5 on 60-something. The proceeded to sit there through then next hr even though I through every polite way of hint for them to leave. We were packed and they tipped shit and cost me atleast one, probably two more tables. Finally, I had to tell them we were still on an hour wait and our hostesses desperately needed the table to quell the line. They stared at me blankly and grumbled that I ruined their dinner and it was such a shame after such good service.
Fuck Opra. Let's not take into account that waiting on them cost me money because they basically paid me 8 bucks for two hours, after my hrly wage is included, to weight on them.

Really Opra? Is it alright to pay someone 4 dollars an hour you must cunt?

Cough, I'm sorry. The disrespect pompus assholes who are removed from society think they can just mouth off with. Fucking librals.

Never been a waiter but I always tip well for good service. If you are going to tip poorly though, you should always wait until you are done. Just a word of advice to people. Ruty was much nicer than I would have been if I was waiting on a table that spent an hour sitting there after a crappy tip.

Don't get me wrong, if service was poor, sit there for an hour and tip 5 percent if you have the time. But its stupid to tip poorly and then sit there. Maybe they just genuinely didn't know that $5 on a $65 meal is not an appropriate tip if good or even decent service was involved.

[Doughboy]

I'm such a cheap bastard. I tip the minimum unless I get some exceptional service.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Ruty was much nicer than I would have been if I was waiting on a table that spent an hour sitting there after a crappy tip.>>

New social experiment: tip a small amount with the bill, stay forever expecting to leave a much larger tip on the way out, see how the services changes after the first tip.

[Reawing]

I'm such a cheap bastard. I tip the minimum unless I get some exceptional service.

We should probably adopt the European method and just include like 12 percent standard. Its high enough that servers won't get fucked by people who are cheap and low enough that it encourages good service so that people kick in the extra percentage points.

[Reawing]

<<Ruty was much nicer than I would have been if I was waiting on a table that spent an hour sitting there after a crappy tip.>>

New social experiment: tip a small amount with the bill, stay forever expecting to leave a much larger tip on the way out, see how the services changes after the first tip.

I've never done that, but I have certainly let my server take away the bill and never seen from them or heard from them again (even with a good tip) afterwards.

I think it would be too painful to do it enough times to create a reasonable sample size.

[Revalos]

We should probably adopt the European method and just include like 12 percent standard. Its high enough that servers won't get fucked by people who are cheap and low enough that it encourages good service so that people kick in the extra percentage points.

But then you'd have to pay taxes on your tips! That's half the game. I used to work at a fancy club in North Carolina as a waiter/bartender and my W2 looked like shit, but my take home pay was more than my first job as a teacher.

You have to work in a controlled environment like a club though, never a normal restaurant. In a club the low tippers tend to figure out really quick when they come back after giving a poor tip they get universally poor service from the whole waitstaff while others seem to be getting better service.

[Reawing]

But then you'd have to pay taxes on your tips! That's half the game. I used to work at a fancy club in North Carolina as a waiter/bartender and my W2 looked like shit, but my take home pay was more than my first job as a teacher.

You have to work in a controlled environment like a club though, never a normal restaurant. In a club the low tippers tend to figure out really quick when they come back after giving a poor tip they get universally poor service from the whole waitstaff while others seem to be getting better service.

I forgot about that. I usually tip on my credit card so my servers don't have the ability to cheat the IRS on my tips. But you are right, many tip in cash and the amount of people that tip approriately in cash combined with the savings on tax probably outweigh the benefits of a universal 12 percent tip or something of that nature. As I said, I have never been a server.

[Jace Solo]

Two points.

1) i bust my ass and I'm hella stubborn. If you piss me off with a shit tip, you get better service with a bit of attitude. Oh, you think cause you tipped me shit I'll leave you alone. Fuck that noise. I'm by hat table every time I'm inthe floor asking if you need a refill or drink to go. You're gonna feel fucking bad about it when God replaysthat memory...pauses, glances at you and say "Really?"

2) to describe my general tip percentage from people who appreciate a slave serving them dinner. Half my tables at my given outback tend to be black or redneck (notice I didn't say African americans, which is generally reserved for...contributing members of society) whom drop me 10% from Ignorance or Opra...I still generally average out 17%~.

I know I'm a damn good waiter, I'm one of the highest rated servers in the restaurant and the most complemented. Some of my complements come from the 10% tables...I'd rather have that extra 5% tho. I can't pay rent with your kind, cheap words.

[Doughboy]

We should probably adopt the European method and just include like 12 percent standard. Its high enough that servers won't get fucked by people who are cheap and low enough that it encourages good service so that people kick in the extra percentage points.

Most of the places I go to eat at have like a 15% gratuity included. I just hate the fact that some servers get pissed off when you don't leave more on top of it for just average service. If you do a good job, sure I'll reward you. If you're just going through the motions, go fuck yourself. I shouldn't have to ask two and three times to get a refill on a drink or another beer. And I damn sure won't be generous with my cash if I have to do that.

For the servers that offer to get me another drink or whatever before I'm completely empty, yeah you get some extra coin.

[Jace Solo]

Although I don't like your avatar (cause we're rivals) I do agree with you completely.

ps. Football players don't cry...Tebow...will get wrecked in the NFL and I'm excited to see it

[Revalos]

I forgot about that. I usually tip on my credit card so my servers don't have the ability to cheat the IRS on my tips.

Heh...credit card tips are tax free too if your manager is smart and operates as an LLC. What happens is that they all get added up at the end of the night and written off as "operating costs" and then paid out in cash to the employees. You can't tax costs and it isn't income. Another good way is to lump tips in with the "cover charge" when balancing the books, which is another famous tax dodge.


I know I'm a damn good waiter, I'm one of the highest rated servers in the restaurant and the most complemented. Some of my complements come from the 10% tables...I'd rather have that extra 5% tho. I can't pay rent with your kind, cheap words.

You need to move on up from Outback, dude. Is there a fancier restaurant in your area? Once you start working 4 tops at a place that is $25+ a plate minimum (fancy seafood restaurants are a good bet), you'll start seeing better tips just because of the quality of the patrons.


If you do a good job, sure I'll reward you. If you're just going through the motions, go fuck yourself. I shouldn't have to ask two and three times to get a refill on a drink or another beer. And I damn sure won't be generous with my cash if I have to do that.

It all depends on what the pay of the server is. If they are barely scraping minimum wage WITH tip, that tip should be part of not spilling shit on you and screwing up your order (however, if they do screw up, you are perfectly right to short them). Additional tips should be for great service like you describe.

[Reawing]

Most of the places I go to eat at have like a 15% gratuity included. I just hate the fact that some servers get pissed off when you don't leave more on top of it for just average service. If you do a good job, sure I'll reward you. If you're just going through the motions, go fuck yourself. I shouldn't have to ask two and three times to get a refill on a drink or another beer. And I damn sure won't be generous with my cash if I have to do that.

For the servers that offer to get me another drink or whatever before I'm completely empty, yeah you get some extra coin.

Where are you eating that normally has a 15% gratuity included? Usually, at least in the United States, gratuities are only included for parties of 6 or more. I mean, I have eaten at a LOT of different restaurants having travelled all around the states and growing up in NYC and rarely is any gratuity standard for parties of less than 6.

[Doughboy]

Where are you eating that normally has a 15% gratuity included? Usually, at least in the United States, gratuities are only included for parties of 6 or more. I mean, I have eaten at a LOT of different restaurants having travelled all around the states and growing up in NYC and rarely is any gratuity standard for parties of less than 6.

I don't go out to dinner that often, but when I do it's usually to a more upscale type of place. We've got a place down here called Tuna's that is fucking great. But again it's a more of an upscale restaurant with prices to go along with it. A lot of the places down here on the beach do it also. One place I go to (previous employer), charges like 18%. Gives the server 15 or something and pockets the rest.

[TheEschaton]

I'm confused as to why you keep blaming Oprah for black people leaving you 10% tips?

Maybe it's because you think there's an Oprah-led conspiracy amongst black folks to screw you out of good tips?

[Reawing]

I don't go out to dinner that often, but when I do it's usually to a more upscale type of place. We've got a place down here called Tuna's that is fucking great. But again it's a more of an upscale restaurant with prices to go along with it. A lot of the places down here on the beach do it also. One place I go to (previous employer), charges like 18%. Gives the server 15 or something and pockets the rest.

Nice. Yeah, I mostly eat at upscale places too, just rarely see a mandatory service charge.

[Clove]

I'm confused as to why you keep blaming Oprah for black people leaving you 10% tips?

Maybe it's because you think there's an Oprah-led conspiracy amongst black folks to screw you out of good tips?I keep wondering about the "Opra" connection too.

I generally tip high (20%) unless the service truly sucks.

[Clove]

Heh...credit card tips are tax free too if your manager is smart and operates as an LLC. What happens is that they all get added up at the end of the night and written off as "operating costs" and then paid out in cash to the employees. You can't tax costs and it isn't income. Another good way is to lump tips in with the "cover charge" when balancing the books, which is another famous tax dodge.Oh it is income and failing to report income is tax-fraud which is a federal crime without a statute of limitation. If a restaurant is audited and caught playing that game they'll in turn audit the waitstaff. Really, don't encourage people to play bookkeeping gambits like that.


You need to move on up from Outback, dude. Is there a fancier restaurant in your area? Once you start working 4 tops at a place that is $25+ a plate minimum (fancy seafood restaurants are a good bet), you'll start seeing better tips just because of the quality of the patrons.So true x10.


It all depends on what the pay of the server is. If they are barely scraping minimum wage WITH tip, that tip should be part of not spilling shit on you and screwing up your order (however, if they do screw up, you are perfectly right to short them). Additional tips should be for great service like you describe.Ditto. Of course you can't know for sure what the pay scale is at any particular establishment but it's like most things; the cheaper the place the lower the wages (generally). So if you get a cheap meal, make the effort to tip well.

[Revalos]

Oh it is income and failing to report income is tax-fraud which is a federal crime without a statute of limitation. If a restaurant is audited and caught playing that game they'll in turn audit the waitstaff. Really, don't encourage people to play bookkeeping gambits like that.

You show me a restaurant that has servers who make tips that has 100% of their tips on the books as tips and every single employee's W2 shows an accurate amount of tips included and I'll show you a surprised former waiter.

Oh and don't forget not paying sales tax on stuff bought online is tax fraud which is a state crime without a statute of limitation.

I'll wait for the feds to show up any minute now.

[Stretch]

You show me a restaurant that has servers who make tips that has 100% of their tips on the books as tips and every single employee's W2 shows an accurate amount of tips included and I'll show you a surprised former waiter.

Oh and don't forget not paying sales tax on stuff bought online is tax fraud which is a state crime without a statute of limitation.

I'll wait for the feds to show up any minute now.

It's not sales tax, it's use tax. And as states are more and more hard up for cash, it's going to get more strictly enforced.

For some reason, the tax code hasn't been adequately amended for advances in technology yet, but if what is happening in New York is any indication it will happen in the next few years.

[LMingrone]

If there is less than 500 dollars worth of damage, isn't the rule of thumb that there is no need to call the police. Thereby, you weren't leaving the scene of an accident?

Yes. The problem is the woman called an ambulance (No way she was injured since she rushed my car and was flipping out, nevermind the fact there is NO damage to my car, or hers.) I guess calling an ambulance is an automatic fleeing the scene charge.

[Jace Solo]

Sorry about not linkingthe connection. Two months back Opra said that there was never any reason to tip a server more than 10% because if we were makin 15% off every check we were making more than people on minimum wage for a minimum job.

As far as moving up. There are a couple places here but not many. I'm also well imbedded with OSI and their a good company. I could move to any other position in the restaurant I wanted but they are very flexible with me and bein a grad student and teaching it's not enough time spent it just pissed me off cause I have to rely on it to eat or pay rent. The difference is about 30-40 a night and it sucks when I have to go home with $75 that barely covers gas and some groceries.

I'll be moving to LA soon and trying to snag a serving job at one of those higher end restaurants. If anyone has any suggesions or knows a manager or owner out there...I've got years of experience and have letters of rec for corporate because I help with catering and event planning for them when I can.

[Sean of the Thread]

Unless I'm really really pissed off at the service with an example of being not being waited on for 20 minutes after being sat by the host and bringing it to their attention or being served and then never checked on again until check time I always tipped 15-20% and I'm poor.

That being said servers seem to make decent money around this area. My ex was a teacher but made more being a server so she quit teaching. That's sad.

[Jace Solo]

I believe the quality of patrons varies greatly from Tampa to Tallahassee.
It used to be servers could make a decent living (round 45k) if they were good or at a decent establishment. Sometimes more if the krewe de gra everyone now has the excuse to be cheap with the economy.

I, like Sean, am poor but I would never leave less than 15% unless they were trying to burn me or spit in my food. I consider 20% to be the minimum for someone who is really putting the effort into, even if they're not masters of their craft.

[Sean of the Thread]

Well T-city is full of underpaid gov employees, politicians and poor ass college students that usually eat at Guthrie's anyways.

But I agree 20% is a base. When my roommate takes me out I always make sure she drops 20% if it's decent at all.

If it's superb I always make sure to inform the manager as well. If it's really shitty I don't bother either unless it's a repeat offender. Everyone has bad days at work I wouldn't want to make it worse for them.

[Reawing]

Well T-city is full of underpaid gov employees, politicians and poor ass college students that usually eat at Guthrie's anyways.

But I agree 20% is a base. When my roommate takes me out I always make sure she drops 20% if it's decent at all.

If it's superb I always make sure to inform the manager as well. If it's really shitty I don't bother either unless it's a repeat offender. Everyone has bad days at work I wouldn't want to make it worse for them.

In my mind, 20% is appropriate if you got normal service and you aren't tipping on tax and alcohol. 15% is appropriate if you tip on just the base. If I order a $50 bottle of wine its unreasonable to give your server 10 bucks for it. I usually go for about 17% on the total bill including alcohol and and tax for normal service, 20% for good service. I think given that I tip on tax and alcohol, my servers end up being quite happy. And if I am eating somewhere crappy where the bill is like 10 bucks, I usually throw out the percentage and tip 4 or so because those places usually have free refills and such, requiring the server to do lots of work for very little tip if you go by percentage.

[Sean of the Thread]

Speaking of lines grinding to halt. This wasn't even our fault.

It was Christmas eve at Publix. Long ass line. We we're splitting a sub and she had got a few other items for her cookie making bullshit.

Just standing in line as the clerk is ringing up our shit and this dumb bitch with 2 inch neon green finger nails, red suspenders down, fedora on, 500 bracelets and wearing hooker heels just walked right past us in line on her cellphone and ran her stupid atm/check/credit card for our purchase.

Just wow. Had to wait for a manager in that busy ass mad house to come void the shit while she just stood there looking dumb and the entire line moaning.

[waywardgs]

Two months back Opra said that there was never any reason to tip a server more than 10% because if we were makin 15% off every check we were making more than people on minimum wage for a minimum job.

Fuck oprah.

http://files.myopera.com/Wakajawaka/blog/1oprah.jpg

[Asile]

Just standing in line as the clerk is ringing up our shit and this dumb bitch with 2 inch neon green finger nails, red suspenders down, fedora on, 500 bracelets and wearing hooker heels just walked right past us in line on her cellphone and ran her stupid atm/check/credit card for our purchase.

Just wow. Had to wait for a manager in that busy ass mad house to come void the shit while she just stood there looking dumb and the entire line moaning.

Holy hell. This is just one of the reasons why I do a little happy dance every time I see a sign by the register to the effect of "Get off your fucking phone and THEN we'll help you" at stores and restaurants around here. When I was working retail, there was nothing quite like trying to get someone's attention away from their phone to tell them that their CC was declined.

[Clove]

You show me a restaurant that has servers who make tips that has 100% of their tips on the books as tips and every single employee's W2 shows an accurate amount of tips included and I'll show you a surprised former waiter.Of course not. They're called "cash tips". CC tips you'd better report. But what you're talking about is putting those tips on the books, merely as an invalid expense which you will get busted on if you're audited.

[Revalos]

Of course not. They're called "cash tips". CC tips you'd better report. But what you're talking about is putting those tips on the books, merely as an invalid expense which you will get busted on if you're audited.

Well that's on my old manager then. He got fired later for snorting coke at work too, so I'm not saying he was a saint...just a good manager for a snot nosed kid who needed every buck he could get.