Fixskilling from Polearm to Pure - Suggestions Appreciated

[zenjichad]

Yeah, yet another thread about switching to pure... I know this is repeat information, but I want to make sure I get this right, so I don't have to blow 7-8 million to fix any missteps. So any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Thinking about using my fixskills to switch to pure. Right now my stats as a polearmer are...

Current stats/skills (level 37 - Half-Elf)

Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 66 (8) ... 66 (8)
Dexterity (DEX): 86 (23) ... 86 (23)
Agility (AGI): 91 (30) ... 91 (30)
Discipline (DIS): 68 (4) ... 68 (4)
Aura (AUR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Logic (LOG): 49 (0) ... 56 (3)
Intuition (INT): 47 (-1) ... 47 (-1)
Wisdom (WIS): 72 (11) ... 72 (11)
Influence (INF): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Mana: 119

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 136 38
Combat Maneuvers...................| 138 39
Polearm Weapons....................| 178 78
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 93 21
Physical Fitness...................| 124 32
Dodging............................| 138 39
Harness Power......................| 132 36
Elemental Mana Control.............| 58 12
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 70 15
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 120 30
Perception.........................| 5 1
Climbing...........................| 25 5
Swimming...........................| 5 1

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 19

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 20



Rough idea for pure training plan, based on what I've read in the threads...

(Armor use to 35 ASAP - so I can wear brig)
2x brawl
1x Mental Mana control
1x Manipulation (get to 24 ranks - unravelling, then maybe air lore)
1x Harness Power
1x physical training
.5 Dodge
1x spells (get to 30 bard ranks, 25 MnE ranks, then do all bardsong)

I haven't worked out exactly how many points I'll have to work with yet, but was thinking if I put together a basic plan then I can go in and just fill in the gaps, such as adding a few climbing/swimming/perception skills in the gaps.

Is there anything major I'm missing, any changes you would suggest?

I'll use a two-handed instrument in my left hand until I can get to 75 manipulation ranks. I've seen some people having shield use... is this necessary?

Right now I'm about to finish Guadians of Sunfist. I'm not opposed to doing COL, but I'm curious if there are any other pure bards having fun with Sunfist. I am not interested at all with Voln (no FU for me). I really like having hunting ground near practically every town, so GoS would be my preference.

Thanks

[Stretch]

Your stats are pretty bad, but nothing you can do about that without dropping 40 million on a potion.

Below is how I spec'd my bard before I sold it. Absolutely no secondary skills, since all I used it for was purifying, loresinging, and hunting. It owned. Just ask Inspire.



Gender: Male Age: 24 Expr: 2199018 Level: 45
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 82 (21) ... 82 (21)
Constitution (CON): 70 (10) ... 70 (10)
Dexterity (DEX): 82 (16) ... 82 (16)
Agility (AGI): 86 (18) ... 86 (18)
Discipline (DIS): 91 (20) ... 91 (20)
Aura (AUR): 82 (16) ... 82 (16)
Logic (LOG): 94 (27) ... 94 (27)
Intuition (INT): 89 (24) ... 89 (24)
Wisdom (WIS): 74 (12) ... 74 (12)
Influence (INF): 77 (13) ... 77 (13)
Mana: 138 Silver: 4800



(at level 45), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 150 50
Brawling...........................| 194 94
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Harness Power......................| 147 47
Mental Mana Control................| 102 24
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 147 47
Climbing...........................| 50 10

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 30

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 53
Training Points: 2 Phy 0 Mnt (1264 Phy converted to Mnt)

[zenjichad]

Thanks Sketch. Most of the information came from your past posts.

So, how much damage would my stats do to me? Do you think going to a pure build isn't viable?

Thanks!

[Stunseed]

You're missing out on an assload of mental TP's which is what you want to run a pure character.

[Stretch]

Thanks Sketch. Most of the information came from your past posts.

So, how much damage would my stats do to me? Do you think going to a pure build isn't viable?

Thanks!

It's still viable, but it will be awhile before you have enough TPs to pick up many ancillary skills.

Overall, your training looks fine to me. The one thing I would do is drop the 0.5x of Dodge and sink it into more spells. Definitely get 430, and the more spellsongs you have the more phantom dodge ranks you get anyway from 1019.

[waywardgs]

Your stats are pretty bad, but nothing you can do about that without dropping 40 million on a potion.

Below is how I spec'd my bard before I sold it. Absolutely no secondary skills, since all I used it for was purifying, loresinging, and hunting. It owned. Just ask Inspire.



Gender: Male Age: 24 Expr: 2199018 Level: 45
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 82 (21) ... 82 (21)
Constitution (CON): 70 (10) ... 70 (10)
Dexterity (DEX): 82 (16) ... 82 (16)
Agility (AGI): 86 (18) ... 86 (18)
Discipline (DIS): 91 (20) ... 91 (20)
Aura (AUR): 82 (16) ... 82 (16)
Logic (LOG): 94 (27) ... 94 (27)
Intuition (INT): 89 (24) ... 89 (24)
Wisdom (WIS): 74 (12) ... 74 (12)
Influence (INF): 77 (13) ... 77 (13)
Mana: 138 Silver: 4800



(at level 45), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 150 50
Brawling...........................| 194 94
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Harness Power......................| 147 47
Mental Mana Control................| 102 24
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 147 47
Climbing...........................| 50 10

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 30

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 53
Training Points: 2 Phy 0 Mnt (1264 Phy converted to Mnt)


So can I ask what your lvl 0 stats were with this build?

[Stunseed]

Ask Inspire to post them. :)

[Stretch]

So can I ask what your lvl 0 stats were with this build?

Optimized for growth (89 / 90 in CO and WI at cap, with everything else 100).

Through level 15 or so (during first 30 days of character creation, when it's possible to move stats around), the stats were pretty awful except for high AGI / DEX / STR / LOG. Get a claidhmore, pwn things for a few weeks, and then you can set stats for growth with a little bit of a head start so it isn't too hard to hunt.

Strength (STR): 59
Constitution (CON): 49
Dexterity (DEX): 62
Agility (AGI): 73
Discipline (DIS): 82
Aura (AUR): 62
Logic (LOG): 88
Intuition (INT): 78
Wisdom (WIS): 58
Influence (INF): 49

[waywardgs]

Optimized for growth (89 / 90 in CO and WI at cap, with everything else 100).

Through level 15 or so (during first 30 days of character creation, when it's possible to move stats around), the stats were pretty awful except for high AGI / DEX / STR / LOG. Get a claidhmore, pwn things for a few weeks, and then you can set stats for growth with a little bit of a head start so it isn't too hard to hunt.

Strength (STR): 59
Constitution (CON): 49
Dexterity (DEX): 62
Agility (AGI): 73
Discipline (DIS): 82
Aura (AUR): 62
Logic (LOG): 88
Intuition (INT): 78
Wisdom (WIS): 58
Influence (INF): 49

Ok so my 30 days is up, I want a bard who can loresing and purify relatively well at, say, level 30. What are the most important stats to boost? Here are the stats now, set for just swinging a claidh, but currently I'm built for twc and moc.

Level 0 Stats for Elf Bard

Strength (STR): 99
Constitution (CON): 63
Dexterity (DEX): 85
Agility (AGI): 90
Discipline (DIS): 54
Aura (AUR): 79
Logic (LOG): 80
Intuition (INT): 35
Wisdom (WIS): 35
Influence (INF): 40

Stats at lvl 12:

Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 66 (8) ... 66 (8)
Dexterity (DEX): 91 (25) ... 91 (25)
Agility (AGI): 94 (37) ... 94 (37)
Discipline (DIS): 56 (-12) ... 56 (-12)
Aura (AUR): 85 (22) ... 85 (22)
Logic (LOG): 81 (15) ... 81 (15)
Intuition (INT): 41 (-4) ... 41 (-4)
Wisdom (WIS): 44 (-3) ... 44 (-3)
Influence (INF): 52 (11) ... 52 (11

[LOL BRIELUS]

the pure way is interesting, and yes, powerful, but i found it a pain in the ass to unravel shit all the time, when i could just pwn with lance, and if a swarm came up, 1030. one shot is usually all it takes. 1035, and you can finish off the rest of the swarm. man, i miss my bard!

[Elvenlady]

Very tempted to do the same with my bard and would welcome advice and suggestions from those that have done it before.

Current training is as follows and she's an effective hunter in the Ducts or Tower with her own songs, sonics and CoL signs.

s>skills
Cappyn (at level 79), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 130 35
Combat Maneuvers...................| 179 79
Polearm Weapons....................| 262 162
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Dodging............................| 90 20
Harness Power......................| 180 80
Mental Mana Control................| 120 30
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 179 79
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 132 36
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 120 30
Survival...........................| 25 5
Perception.........................| 50 10
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 120 30

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 34

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 70

I've played around with her training and can pull her up to 88 bardsongs, 35 MnE and max Harness Power to start with. What else should I throw the TPs at?

[Danical]

Just get 1x HP and use the rest for spells.

If you are running low on mana you can use 1013 on creatures that gen with no spells and leech mana. Use 1018 in the field as well.

[Elvenlady]

Well, I did it and I'm loving it!

>skills
Cappyn (at level 79), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 130 35
Brawling...........................| 179 79
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Dodging............................| 90 20
Harness Power......................| 200 100
Mental Mana Control................| 145 45
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 175 75
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 175 75
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 30 6
Perception.........................| 50 10
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 120 30

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 35

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 100


This is a taste of her first foray back into the Tower and I'm optimistic.

You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Stunning Shout to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at a shrickhen.
CS: +404 - TD: +291 + CvA: +25 + d100: +47 == +185
Warding failed!
A shrickhen is struck violently by the tightly focused sonic energy of your cacophonous shout!
... 56 points of damage!
A shrickhen is staggered by the sonic force!
... 10 points of damage!
Blow to neck tears tissue.
The shrickhen is stunned!
The intensity of the sonic assault disorients a shrickhen!
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Song of Unravelling to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.
>sing shricken
You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at a shrickhen.
CS: +404 - TD: +241 + CvA: +25 + d100: +57 == +245
Warding failed!
You feel your song touch the magic surrounding the shrickhen and begin to resonate, pulling at the threads of the shrickhen's control.
A shrickhen glances around, looking a bit less confident.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

A shrickhen falls flat on the floor!

You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Stunning Shout to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.
You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at a shrickhen.
[Spell Hindrance for a swirling sonic barrier is 7% with current Armor Use skill, d100= 6]
Your armor prevents the song from working correctly.

You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Stunning Shout to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.

You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at a shrickhen.
CS: +404 - TD: +291 + CvA: +25 + d100: +8 == +146
Warding failed!
A shrickhen is struck violently by the tightly focused sonic energy of your cacophonous shout!
... 46 points of damage!
A shrickhen is staggered by the sonic force!
... 7 points of damage!
Blow grazes right leg.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

>renew 1013
You sing with renewed vigor!
You refocus your song on a shrickhen.
CS: +404 - TD: +241 + CvA: +25 + d100: +3 == +191
Warding failed!
Your song continues to resonate with the threads of mana around the shrickhen.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around a shrickhen.
Renewing "Song of Unravelling" for 6 mana.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

A shrickhen screams furiously and points at you!
CS: +275 - TD: +356 + CvA: +2 + d100: +15 - -5 == -59
Warded off!

You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Stunning Shout to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.

You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at a shrickhen.
CS: +404 - TD: +276 + CvA: +25 + d100: +57 == +210
Warding failed!
A shrickhen is struck violently by the tightly focused sonic energy of your cacophonous shout!
... 62 points of damage!
A shrickhen is staggered by the sonic force!
... 5 points of damage!
Throat strike causes the shrickhen to cough.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

>renew 1013
You sing with renewed vigor!
You refocus your song on a shrickhen.
CS: +404 - TD: +226 + CvA: +25 + d100: +59 == +262
Warding failed!
Your song continues to resonate with the threads of mana around the shrickhen.
The bright luminescence fades from around a shrickhen.
Renewing "Song of Unravelling" for 5 mana.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You skillfully pick up the tempo of your music, making it difficult to keep from tapping your toes to the beat.

A shrickhen stares off into the air blankly.

>renew 1013
You sing with renewed vigor!
You refocus your song on a shrickhen.
CS: +404 - TD: +216 + CvA: +25 + d100: +16 == +229
Warding failed!
You feel your song touch the center of the shrickhen's mana stores and begin to resonate.
You gain 17 mana!
Renewing "Song of Unravelling" for 4 mana.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

>renew 1013
You sing with renewed vigor!
You maintain the harmonics of your song, continuing to focus on the threads of mana from the shrickhen.
CS: +404 - TD: +216 + CvA: +25 + d100: +34 == +247
Warding failed!
The silvery tendril continues to wend its way away from the shrickhen.
You gain 16 mana!
Renewing "Song of Unravelling" for 4 mana.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Stunning Shout to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.

You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at a shrickhen.
CS: +404 - TD: +266 + CvA: +25 + d100: +33 == +196
Warding failed!
A shrickhen is struck violently by the tightly focused sonic energy of your cacophonous shout!
... 59 points of damage!
A shrickhen is staggered by the sonic force!
... 5 points of damage!
Stubs right hand finger.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

A shrickhen regains her footing, standing up with a grunt.

>renew 1013
You sing with renewed vigor!
You maintain the harmonics of your song, continuing to focus on the threads of mana from the shrickhen.
CS: +404 - TD: +216 + CvA: +25 + d100: +58 == +271
Warding failed!
The silvery tendril continues to wend its way away from the shrickhen.
You gain 30 mana!
Renewing "Song of Unravelling" for 4 mana.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Stunning Shout to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.

You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at a shrickhen.
CS: +404 - TD: +266 + CvA: +25 + d100: +43 == +206
Warding failed!
A shrickhen is struck violently by the tightly focused sonic energy of your cacophonous shout!
... 61 points of damage!
A shrickhen's arms, legs and head separate from her torso as the dissimilar parts finally fall still.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.


[Maaghara Labyrinth]
The three way intersection of tunnels creates a noticeable air tunnel, heavy with currents of mist-laden vapor. Fog swirls and eddies, spinning wisps of vapor from side to side as it caresses the damp, root-burdened walls. You also see a moulis and a dhu goleras.
Obvious exits: northeast, southeast, northwest

You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Song of Sonic Disruption to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.
>
You weave another verse into your harmony.
CS: +404 - TD: +264 + CvA: +25 + d100: +25 == +190
Warding failed!
A moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 90 damage!
... 75 points of damage!
Heart explodes rupturing the moulis's chest.
The moulis flails wildly for a moment before collapsing, its appendages dropping lifelessly to the ground.
A moulis appears somehow different.
The layer of stone surrounding a moulis crumbles away.
A moulis seems a bit less imposing.

CS: +404 - TD: +296 + CvA: +25 + d100: +93 == +226
Warding failed!
A dhu goleras reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 111 damage!
... 100 points of damage!
The dhu goleras's shoulder joint explodes, severing shield arm.
The dhu goleras is stunned!

Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You search the moulis.
It had 234 silvers on it.
You gather the remaining 234 coins.
It had nothing else of value.
A moulis crumbles into a putrid compost.

You jaunt through the rambunctious refrain, the melody and descant playing along in a breathless game of musical tag.

A dhu goleras arrives with a loping, uneven gait, her body rocking side-to-side and her head and arms flopping wildly.

You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Vibration Chant to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.

You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at a dhu goleras.
CS: +404 - TD: +296 + CvA: +25 + d100: +80 == +213
Warding failed!
You focus your voice on a dhu goleras's bone-handled dagger with perfect resonance, causing it to shatter into thousands of tiny pieces!
... 40 points of damage!
Blow removes the dhu goleras's left hand neatly!
The dhu goleras opens his mouth wide and lets out a choked, shrill scream and his eyes cloud over to a solid milky white as he collapses and dies.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Vibration Chant to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.

You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at a dhu goleras.
CS: +404 - TD: +296 + CvA: +25 + d100: +55 == +188
Warding failed!
You focus your voice on a dhu goleras's bone-handled dagger with perfect resonance, causing it to shatter into thousands of tiny pieces!
... 35 points of damage!
Massive blow to neck snaps it!
The dhu goleras opens her mouth wide and lets out a choked, shrill scream and her eyes cloud over to a solid milky white as she collapses and dies.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.

[Danical]

You don't need 45 MMC. Migrate that down to 24 ranks.

Shield use?

You also don't need 75 ranks of Air Lore. How often are you going to be using Tonis? Almost never.

[Emislity]

I love my pure bard, I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't know why pure bards don't get more manip for the 1030, but it's not necessary of course. Either way, good luck with being pure and just don't let anyone tell you how to train your bard. It's yours and you make with it how you want. Not everyone's going to be able to persuade you to go their way, and you really need to figure out what's best for you. Just go with the basics and remember you have a fixskill coming up in May anyway, so if it's not right you can always fix it later.

Have fun with it, that's what's important! Good Luck!

Here's a glimpse of my Bard, in case you'd like more ideas.


Emislity (at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 50 10
Physical Fitness...................| 150 50
Dodging............................| 190 90
Arcane Symbols.....................| 140 40
Magic Item Use.....................| 140 40
Harness Power......................| 302 202
Elemental Mana Control.............| 102 24
Spirit Mana Control................| 40 8
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 201 101
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 190 90
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 62 13
Survival...........................| 54 11
Perception.........................| 54 11
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 160 60
Trading............................| 302 202

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 75

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 101

[Danical]

I don't know why pure bards don't get more manip for the 1030, but it's not necessary of course.

Quoted for some serious lulz.

[Elvenlady]

I was really nervous about making the transition but I'm really enjoying her and am quite happy with the way her training panned out. It actually suits her RP a lot more too which can't be bad!

I've kept the Air Lore at 75 for now since her hunting partner really loves the Tonis effect but I'll probably be migrating it away once I've decided where I want to concentrate the training.

I was told Mana Control affected mana regeneration rates, is this not the case?

[Danical]

I was told Mana Control affected mana regeneration rates, is this not the case?

Yes this is true . . . 1 for every 10 in your highest Mana Control and 1 for every 20 in your second highest.

Right now, you're getting 4 extra mana per pulse. With 24 ranks, you'll only get 2 mana per pulse but you'll be saving an extra 126 MTPs or 252 PTPs since you're converting. The only time you really need the mana is when you're out in the field and you'll probably pulse 2 or 3 times at most while hunting. That's a measly 4 or 6 mana difference; it's not even enough for a single shot of 1030. It's just not worth the points.

[Elvenlady]

Okay thanks, that makes sense now.