New to Gemstone!

[wuflaungphu]

so just got my account today and im starting a new character.

thinking of going rogue or ranger.

any advise you can give me starting out?

any help would be appreciated. also I could not find any maps in-game or am I blind? where can i get some maps so i know where the hell I am.

thanks

bah name got booted that quick....

[Imp]

Sent you a Private Message wuflaungphu.

[Gelston]

Why does it always seem like people are creating accounts and then talking to themselves?

[Makkah]

Depends if you want flavor or just killing power. Ranger are cooler for customization... but rogues are ultimately more powerful.

[Mogonis]

Enjoy it. Tell your friends.

[wuflaungphu]

I like versatility, seems the ranger has more options for hunting different weapon types and spells also spells that help with stealth... as a rogue i can go hunt and open boxes but seems like I will rely on other people to cast spells on me? Is it hard to get wizard/cleric type spells?

[phantasm]

We're all friends here, you don't have to pretend to be a new player to get help. Not sure why you lied, but we will help you if you admit your lie.

[wuflaungphu]

actually i did play for about 3hrs back in 98 on a friends pc. I would come over his pad and play vid games and shit and hang over his shoulder watching him play his sorc. but i myself neve rhad my own accoun tuntil today. So I have a small small basic info on it from what my friend showed me back in the day. I dont remember half of what he told me. Found the forums here doing a search for gemstone scripts or gemstone guides and gemstone chat forums.

just found psinet looks cool having troubles getting it installed at the first try but re-read the direcions and it worked ok.

but it is true believe it it not I am a fresh newbie for you all to play games on.

i just want to get into the game learn how to do things right figure out locations and what one can do as a younger character to make silver..... other than begging for it.

Thanks again

[BriarFox]

Heh. Rogues are not ultimately more powerful than rangers - at all.

Play a ranger - it's awesome. I recommend either going ranged or ambushing with edged or blunt weapons. We can post some specific training advice once you decide what you want to do.

Start out in the Landing, if you can. I think you'll like it more than Ta'Vaalor.

[Durgrimst]

Play a semi - it's awesome.

Fixed!

[Warriorbird]

http://www.keatleyphoto.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/sarah-palin-going-rogue-book-cover.jpg

[Deathravin]

Wonder if she's an ambusher or ranged...

[Warriorbird]

Wonder if she's an ambusher or ranged...

Wolves from helicopters! You tell me.

[Fruity2k]

www.virilneus.com (http://www.virilneus.com) - This site has a number of useful things.

1. GS4 Room Data - This has maps of just about every area. Each room can be moused over and many have psinet goto locations listed. I recommend of course learning to get around the old fashioned way, but using psinet if you type goto (room number) psinet will automatically take you there if it knows a path. Goto 1000 for instance will take you to town square central in Wehnimer's Landing.

2. Playershops. Need a thing? This will tell you the best place to get it most likely. There's some buying and selling done on the amunet (rubbing your crystal amulet), but not nearly as much since playershops existed.

www.tsoran.com (http://www.tsoran.com) - This site created all those maps on virilneus.com. It also has a number of useful things.

1. Maps in higher resolution than virilneus.com

2. The GSIV Training spreadsheet. This will let you plan out your character's training, stat growth, and all, and it'll give you a fairly accurate idea of how your characters basic skills and such will function as you level.

http://home.mchsi.com/~cphillips73/StatCruncher/GS4/StatCruncher.html (http://home.mchsi.com/%7Ecphillips73/StatCruncher/GS4/StatCruncher.html) - This site will crunch numbers for you. It's more of an advanced thing as far as character creation goes, but if you learn more about stat growth and training points, then you'll definitely want to take a look at this before your 30 day grace period expires. You'll be happy you did before your 30 day grace period expires, or run the risk of wanting to reroll your character.

www.nilandia.com (http://www.nilandia.com) - This site has one or two things useful to new players, and a host of things useful to all players.

1. A verb list is available here showing you what the commands you can do to socialize are, and how they're shown to others if they're specialized to your race.

2. A merchant list is available also which shows you what merchants have come around, and what they've sold. It also gives you stats on certain items like enhancives that were sold. This is something you probably won't need to worry about for a while.


Those are the four sites I use on a regular basis. Hope they help. Of course, the best way to learn what you're doing in Gemstone is to take advantage of the wealth of knowledge of other players. Posting here was a pretty good step. Also make sure to take advantage of the mentor system in the game, and talk to everybody. People are generally very helpful and friendly in the game, and will take the time to help you out.

Good luck, and I look forward to seeing you in game.

[Warriorbird]

krakiipedia too

[Swami71]

How do you list all those sites and forget krakiipedia.

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Best GS info site IMO.

[Fruity2k]

Ooh yeah. Totally forgot about it. I don't use it as often as the others, but for a new player that's a really good one.

[wuflaungphu]

Thanks for the info guys I appreciate it.

[4a6c1]

lolz

go rouge!! not because of palin but because rouge gives you SUPER POWERS.

[Morrff]

If you just installed Psinet then type ATLAS you should have maps already there. ;go2 works better however and you find that in the Lich folder, under scripting.

[phantasm]

After you install psinet you have to download the maps from tsoran (or whatever the current source is).
Then just copy them all into the psinet maps folder.

[wuflaungphu]

Ok got that installed. getting lich and psinet installed at the same time took some work but its all setup.

do these programs have a sperate chat feature?

[BriarFox]

Psinet used to - not sure if it still does. Haven't used the program in awhile myself.

[RawR]

Welcome to the cult.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_1v_1_hhWp84/SntXKtvQjtI/AAAAAAAABn8/VDNZz7uXjyk/s640/pain_sticks.jpg

[Tisket]

Ok got that installed. getting lich and psinet installed at the same time took some work but its all setup.

do these programs have a sperate chat feature?

Lich is great. You can get some help getting started by typing ;help

And for help with chat features type: ;chat help

[Askip]

http://sylvanfair.com/Verb_Scripts/verb_page1.htm for commands, because play.net still sucks in several ways.

:D

[SpiffyJr]

Ok got that installed. getting lich and psinet installed at the same time took some work but its all setup.

do these programs have a sperate chat feature?

Feel free to ask Noldo/Paldo for help anytime I'm around on Lich. I'm one of the primary script contributers. Tillmen is the lead developer on the project and we have a handful of others writing scripts. We're generally very helpful - especially if you say you're new.

Welcome to Crackstone.

P.S. To answer your question. Lich has one global chat channel known as LNet. You can talk on it by typing ;chat <msg> or talk to a specific person by doing ;chat to <name> <msg>. Lich is limited to a single global channel but there is talk of a server rewrite to include multiple chat channels. For more information type ;chat help for the available commands. Psinet uses a similar structure but they allow private channels which is a nifty feature if you want to keep a private channel for your friends. You use Psinet's chat the same way as Lich but remove the semicolon. So, chat <msg> or chat to <person> <msg>. Also, Lich has a shortcut to talk directly to someone by using <person>: <msg>. I know Psinet has something similar but I haven't used it in a while and I forget the exact syntax.

[Sablemane]

Bah, rogues are more fun for RP in my opinion, after all there's only so many times you can say "hug a tree" or "I'm lost" before you get bored :D I played a ranger, a sorceror, a warrior, and then a rogue...made three rogues since and never looked back.

[Celephais]

You mentioned having watched your friend play or playing on his account some time ago... what brought you back? Especially with so many MMORPGs on the market, had you played other muds in the past? New(ish) players are pretty rare from my understanding, and it's not like Simu advertises.

[Izzy]

Bah, rogues are more fun for RP in my opinion, after all there's only so many times you can say "hug a tree" or "I'm lost" before you get bored :D I played a ranger, a sorceror, a warrior, and then a rogue...made three rogues since and never looked back.

My ranger has never said "hug a tree" nor "I'm lost". In fact, I see no reason at all why you couldn't roleplay a ranger identically to a rogue. How you role play doesn't have to depend on your profession.

PS: Rangers = best profession, by far my favorite.

[Belnia]

An ambushing ranger is just like a rogue, but with more survivability.

[Endlin]

An ambushing ranger is just like a rogue, but with more survivability.

I'd venture that a rogue in plate at 2x physical fitness can take a few more hits than a ranger.

[Celephais]

I'd venture that a rogue in plate at 2x physical fitness can take a few more hits than a ranger.
I always laugh at people when they mention how well they can take hits.

[Endlin]

I always laugh at people when they mention how well they can take hits.

Word up.

Redux is pretty funny.

[Mogonis]

I get a minor when a Bowels illoke swings at me when I'm standing in offensive without my weapon or shield out. Having heavily crit-padded breastplate helps, but they swing upwards of +450.

[droit]

Rangers are a good way to get to know both the physical and magical systems in GS. We have good defense, decent offense, lots of fun tricks and disablers and great utility. One of he best rounded professions in the game, IMO; we have very few of the major gaps in dev and design that many others do (aside from a couple poorly implemented spells).

[Izzy]

I'd venture that a rogue in plate at 2x physical fitness can take a few more hits than a ranger.

Lol@getting hit. I can't remeber the last time I failed an AS/DS resolution.

[Endlin]

And I wasn't saying rangers aren't surviveable or a good class.

Just that they aren't necessarily always more surviveable than a rogue.

[Endlin]

Lol@getting hit. I can't remeber the last time I failed an AS/DS resolution.

I'm so impressed I'm not going to point out why saying it was stupid.

[Stunseed]

I'm so impressed I'm not going to point out why saying it was stupid.

As someone who plays a physical Ranger, the DS differential negates the redux differences by far. A Rogue with 65% dux and a Ranger with 45% dux with over 100DS difference...Ranger wins.

[droit]

Also, a ranger with a physical build (and there are quite a lot of rangers with 2x PF now thanks to Sunfist) has pretty good redux. Before I did the spell build, I had about 40%, which ain't half bad. Add our spells and better DS in general and I'd say there's a good argument for rangers having better overall survivability.

EDIT: Yah, what Stun said.

[Endlin]

I wasn't trying to have a rogue vs ranger argument. A rogue in plate wearing 400's and 100's, is going to survive some hits that a ranger probably wouldn't.

I didn't even say they weren't overall more survivable... Just that they aren't necessarily more so in every situation, is all I meant.

I know rangers "win". Don't worry.

[Stunseed]

< A rogue in plate wearing 400's and 100's, is going to survive some hits that a ranger probably wouldn't. >

Magic rogue = 50 spells (430,120)

Physical ranger = 60/70 spells (640,120/130)

Not much difference spell-wise there. It'd be crit divisor versus extra DS from ranger ranks.

[Endlin]

Hit with a dispel shard and proned by bandits. Rogue in plate is more likely to walk away.

Just an example I came up with.

Again.. My only point was that there are situations the rogue might walk away from that the ranger wouldn't. Which is true.

Not that rogues are better.

And stun mans.. Yes they're just above being a complete joke... But they will save you SOMETIMES. Enough times that it's just not quite true when you say rangers will always be more survivable.

[Stunseed]

On that, I'll agree. Playing a square against bandits is good stuff. :)

[Endlin]

Then there was the time Nuadjia (i probably spelled that wrong) and I died in the same room in OTF.

I took quite a few more hits before my death!

[BriarFox]

Then there was the time Nuadjia (i probably spelled that wrong) and I died in the same room in OTF.

I took quite a few more hits before my death!

Nuadjha. Who's your main?

The point about a rogue taking hits better is kind of moot - a ranger wouldn't BE hit for about 75% of those strikes. That's not even to mention the TD advantages of a ranger.

[Endlin]

Durka... I was kidding more than anything. I think you had just departed and were making a run for the portal, and a griffin knocked us over.

I really don't see how withstanding attacks is a moot point though... If you're in RT for 20 seconds in offensive, in a crowded room... You're probably fucked anyway but I'd put my money on the person who can take the hits.

And yeah the TD advantages are great... which is why I really wasn't pitting rogues vs rangers. I'm pretty well aware of the differences. And I agree, at high levels the ranger is over all, probably a better class. Though post cap, the plate wearing rogue who's learned upto 120 isn't going to worry much about being warded either.

I'm simply pointing out the fact that there will be some situations that the rogue in plate has a better chance of walking away than the ranger. That's all. Denying that seems a little silly.

[BriarFox]

Durka... I was kidding more than anything. I think you had just departed and were making a run for the portal, and a griffin knocked us over.

Stupid portal runs ...

[Celephais]

I'm simply pointing out the fact that there will be some situations that the rogue in plate has a better chance of walking away than the ranger. That's all. Denying that seems a little silly.
... and there are certain situations where not logging in would improve surviability, denying that would be silly... but making the arguement itself would be stupid.

There are situations for anything, no one is denying you that, you're blatently ignoring what people are saying to argue a point no one is opposed to.

[Endlin]

I tried to offer an opposing point of view to a general statement. My point was that the statement was not universaly true. People countered my point, I responded.

I don't really see how that is blatently ignoring anything. But alright.

[RawR]

All I have to say is... Wall of Thorns.

[WRoss]

Empath and redux, it's the way to go!

[walkinthrurain]

Bards rule. You....

1)Rangers
2)Wizards
3)Sorcs
4)blah blah blah

...Drool.

[Fallen]

Empath and redux, it's the way to go!

Agreed. Can't beat an Empath unless you want a hide/ambush build.

[phantasm]

Welcome to Gemstone. Someday, if you are lucky, and dedicated to your task, you will be one of these idiots arguing the fine points of Rogue Vs. Ranger hit taking.

[Cephalopod]

Dark elf sorcerers are inherently gay, so I'm pretty sure they take hits the best.

[Endlin]

Welcome to Gemstone. Someday, if you are lucky, and dedicated to your task, you will be one of these idiots arguing the fine points of Rogue Vs. Ranger hit taking.

And if you're even luckier... You will sell your character, regret it, and attempt to buy them back.

I dunno if that makes you one of us, or a different kind of idiot. But, welcome.

[wuflaungphu]

Thanks for all the info guys.

and to those of you who sent me pm's trying to sell chars to me I wish I could right now. only way I could take a char off someones hands is if they were kind enough to give it away.

I am really thinking of doing a bard next. but for now im sticking with a half-krol ranger i got him to 14 and a level 10 rogue. having fun with both of them just not sure which one I want. I think once my 30 days are up i will try a bard unless anybody wants to give up a newbie bard they have.