3.3 Patch Day

[Some Rogue]

Gimme my loot!

[Parkbandit]

Fuck, those are some long ass notes. I've tried to copy/paste them here, but it's too long.

How do I make a scrolling box on these forums?

[Atlanteax]

Geez, another massive nerf-bat to the game.

[Some Rogue]

You mean the tedious boring crap that's not fun after doing it more than once?

[g++]

Im geniunely really excited for this patch. Me and my friends have been talking about spending Christmas break in the match making pve system already. It sounds awsome because a group of any size can join cross-realms LFG and do instances together all day so me and the 3 guys I mostly play with cant wait....I think its going to be a MASSIVE increase in a fun and a big decrease in the bullshit....fuck we need a tank hassle that putting groups together is. Basically you can just sit in Dalaran with your friends bullshitting and load into any pve or pvp content you want now.

[Geshron]

Total n00b at this game. Someone, guide me. I'll be on later this week. Tell me what server, etc.

I typically don't bother but my brother seems to be into it (albeit his attention span is even worse than mine) and it's installed so let's give it a whirl.

[Keller]

We're almost all on Dunemaul, horde side.

[Keller]

Shadow priest buff, inc.

Sexy. Now if only I knew how to play a shadow priest in PvP.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

so is 3.3 the release of Icecrown Citadel? I don't see any patch notes at worldofwarcraft.com

[TheEschaton]

spriest and affl lock buff, yes.

As for PvP, def pick up silence, and psychic horror waaay down the tree.

[Geshron]

Shadow priest buff, inc.

Sexy. Now if only I knew how to play a shadow priest in PvP.

Thanks, anyone in the lower(est) levels? Or what/where should I powerhunt to not be in such noob shape? Thanks in advance. Or if there is another more comprehensive thread let me know.

[TheEschaton]

I'm levelling a mage right now who is around 25.

[Parkbandit]

Patch notes are too long to post here, but you can find them here:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21626504633&sid=1

[Parkbandit]

Thanks, anyone in the lower(est) levels? Or what/where should I powerhunt to not be in such noob shape? Thanks in advance. Or if there is another more comprehensive thread let me know.

I just leveled up my 39 druid.. now at 66 or 67. I think Anticor is leveling up his huntard with a couple friends... middle 20's I guess.

[Nieninque]

I just leveled up my 39 druid.. now at 66 or 67. I think Anticor is leveling up his huntard with a couple friends... middle 20's I guess.


My durid is at 72 as well
With the x-realms instances you can probably instance most of your way to 70.

Saddest part of the patch notes for me is knockbacks no longer dismount.

/sadfase

[Sean of the Thread]

I really don't know how you guys still find to play this still. I also don't know why your significant others let you. Mine didn't.

[Parkbandit]

My durid is at 72 as well
With the x-realms instances you can probably instance most of your way to 70.

Saddest part of the patch notes for me is knockbacks no longer dismount.

/sadfase

Yea.. I heard that was coming. One of the reasons I wanted to level my druid up. AT LEAST I was able to use it a few days ago and killed a couple level 80 toons.

[Nieninque]

I really don't know how you guys still find to play this still. I also don't know why your significant others let you. Mine didn't.

I'm a grown up. I make my own choices.

[Parkbandit]

I really don't know how you guys still find to play this still. I also don't know why your significant others let you. Mine didn't.

My wife used to HOUND the shit out of me playing GS back in the day.. so for a week, I said "Fine, I won't play. We will sit together on the couch and watch TV on one condition.. I get to decide what we watch" She agreed and after about 3 days of the History Channel and ESPN, she begged me to play the computer. Now I play WoW at nights and she sits and watches whatever she wants on TV.

Of course.. now I can tell you what is happening on shows like Entertainment Tonight, All My Children, Nanny 911, I didn't know I was Pregnant, etc................

[Sean of the Thread]

That so sounds like what happened to me.

However I took another route and got her to start playing it. Downside is I couldn't play at the same time any longer. Upside was she leveled up a couple of my characters.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

My durid is at 72 as well
With the x-realms instances you can probably instance most of your way to 70.

Saddest part of the patch notes for me is knockbacks no longer dismount.

/sadfase

Yeah I'm going to miss typhooning peeps off their mounts.

I've got a 71 shaman now and of course my 80 druid. Did the level cap change to 85 or is that cataclysm?

[Nieninque]

That's cataclysm

[TheEschaton]

Has anyone else had trouble logging in? I've been stuck on the loading screen 4-EV-A.

[Nieninque]

Yeah, they really buffed the loading screen boss.

Just wait, you will get in eventually.

[Parkbandit]

I keep getting disconnected from the server... been trying for the past 20 minutes.

LOVE patch days..... really.

[Nieninque]

^

[Me]

I been trying for over an hour no luck

LF

[Parkbandit]

I'm looking forward to trying out my new mouse playing:

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga/

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I've already finished one of the 5 man instances...

[Parkbandit]

I've already finished one of the 5 man instances...

Seriously? I couldn't get on a single server.. thought it was a system problem, not a server problem.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Fucking with you man, I get the same disco as you guys.

[Parkbandit]

And now it looks like all the servers are down.

Seriously.. they have these issues on almost every patch day.. for the past 5 years. Why can't they iron these things out on the PTR?

[Parkbandit]

Fucking with you man, I get the same disco as you guys.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x310/awesomesiege/I_Hate_You.jpg

[TheEschaton]

I've been on pretty consistently since about 10 minutes after my last post. Went through the 3 new 5mans on regular, going through on heroic now. They're pretty cool and might be a bitch on heroic, we'll see.

Oh, and regulars drop 219 gears, heroic 232, LULZ. And all bosses drop triumph badges now, which means full t9 for everyone, LULZ

-TheE-

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Who are your characters on Dunemaul PB? I have a tauren dk named Caunn there.

[AestheticDeath]

Ugh, couldn't get on my server, so I hopped on Dunemaul for a bit, and man your AH prices make me sad. So many things that i can produce that are at the same sale prices, and other things that I want to buy are so much cheaper. We have several people on shadowsong totally trying to dominate on the high end crafting recipes and those prices are sky high compared to dunemaul. Your crusader orbs are already half the price or less. You seem to have a lot less Epic level items for sale on the AH though. Is that common for them to be kinda rare?

jewelcrafters could make twice as much gold over there it looks like.

I need to start trolling all the servers and pick one with a better economy.

[Sean of the Thread]

Who are your characters on Dunemaul PB? I have a tauren dk named Caunn there.


He's got a rogue named Butt Stabbed or Butt Stabber still I don't really remember however it's one of the two.

[Parkbandit]

Who are your characters on Dunemaul PB? I have a tauren dk named Caunn there.

Stabbed, Bullchip, Kallell, Rennick, Falgrin and an assortment of other lowbies.

[Parkbandit]

He's got a rogue named Butt Stabbed or Butt Stabber still I don't really remember however it's one of the two.

I'll gut you like a deer.

[TheEschaton]

The heroics are hard for now because no one knows the tactics. The first boss in PoS heroic is hella hard to heal, until you realize you can LoS his permafrost so the stacks drop off.

[Some Rogue]

Finished the first one on Heroic before the servers crapped out again. It was pretty easy. Can't wait to try the other two tomorrow.

[Cephalopod]

Problems logging in with battle.net accounts. Motherfuckers, knew I shouldn't have merged.

[Some Rogue]

Problems logging in with battle.net accounts. Motherfuckers, knew I shouldn't have merged.

You didn't have a choice. They made everyone merge. :P

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Finished the first one on Heroic before the servers crapped out again. It was pretty easy. Can't wait to try the other two tomorrow.

Yeah I healed the first instance on heroic and it was cake. Gonna call it a night though, can't get into anything at the moment.

[Parkbandit]

I tried a couple instances today via the LFG channel.. and it was messed up. I ended up getting a 15 minute debuff and unable to join another dungeon group or a battleground. Even after the 15 minute timer expired, I had to log out to try getting into a BG.

Have I mentioned that I LOVE patch days?

[Nieninque]

I'm looking forward to trying out my new mouse playing:

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga/


I've had that for a while now...it's pretty sweet.
I use that and the Nostromo n52te. Makes keybinding sweet.
The Add on for the naga was out of date yesterday...will be interesting to see how soon they update it.

[AestheticDeath]

I tried a couple instances today via the LFG channel.. and it was messed up. I ended up getting a 15 minute debuff and unable to join another dungeon group or a battleground. Even after the 15 minute timer expired, I had to log out to try getting into a BG.

Have I mentioned that I LOVE patch days?

You mean you quit the dungeon instead of finishing? or it didn't load properly and gave you a debuff? I had the problem of it not loading, but was able to get in by using the enter instance button on the mini map.

I joined a new guild, and we downed the 10m ICC tonight, after we did 25mTOC. I say 'we', they held my hand through it. :P I was only doing like 5.5k DPS at best, except the adds on Lady Deathwhisper, I got up to 11k or so as blood spec. One of the other DKs got over 14k DPS in the new 17/0/54 unholy spec on those adds.


Still gotta try the new 5m stuff.

[AnticorRifling]

Tried to do 2 random dungeons with cross server LFG. We'd fill the group, instance would never load, boom debuff. Said fuck it and got on the hunter. Got three lvls, arathi basin perfection, and a 4min arathi basin game. Overall pretty fun.

Haven't looked at any of the new instances/raids or loot yet. I'll start putting together a wish list I guess.

[TheEschaton]

Wait, you downed the whole 10 man ICC last night?

I did the first two heroics, and then, while we were doing the third heroic, on the escape part (which is hella easy), our group somehow got disbanded and we all got kicked out of the instance.

Not to mention, I can't figure out WHERE the portal is for these instances to zone in, like, the regular way.

[Parkbandit]

Tried to do 2 random dungeons with cross server LFG. We'd fill the group, instance would never load, boom debuff. Said fuck it and got on the hunter. Got three lvls, arathi basin perfection, and a 4min arathi basin game. Overall pretty fun.

Haven't looked at any of the new instances/raids or loot yet. I'll start putting together a wish list I guess.

I did the same on Bullchip... the instance never loaded and I ended up getting 2 debuffs for 15 minutes.

And it sucked that I couldn't fucking get into a BG during that time either.. so I had to fucking QUEST for a level.

[Some Rogue]

Not to mention, I can't figure out WHERE the portal is for these instances to zone in, like, the regular way.

Took me awhile to find it too. If you're looking south, it's on the right side. There's several different levels of walkways and I think it was the second one down from the top. You'll go into a tunnel type area and the three portals are inside there.

[TheEschaton]

Where is it in relation to the raid portal? Cause I found that one just fine.

[Some Rogue]

No idea, I didn't go looking for the raid portal. It's near the area where you do the quest with Tirion and disguise yourself and enter the citadel just more around the side.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I've had that for a while now...it's pretty sweet.
I use that and the Nostromo n52te. Makes keybinding sweet.
The Add on for the naga was out of date yesterday...will be interesting to see how soon they update it.

How come you haven't married some nice gamer dude yet?

[Sean of the Thread]

Because I quit playing warcraft and we've fallen out of contact. Duh.

[AestheticDeath]

Wait, you downed the whole 10 man ICC last night?

I did the first two heroics, and then, while we were doing the third heroic, on the escape part (which is hella easy), our group somehow got disbanded and we all got kicked out of the instance.

Not to mention, I can't figure out WHERE the portal is for these instances to zone in, like, the regular way.

Yeah 10m icc, I got a nice item lvl 251 cloak, to replace my itm lvl 200 from 5mTOC. Another guild on our server was in the process of downing saurfang? on 25m right after we finished.

I was in the second heroic late last night/this morning, on the last boss like 10-15 minutes after things were supposed to reset at 3am pacific and it just kicked us all too, sucks losing out on the frost emblems, as I had tried staying up late to make sure I got the most emblems I could each day, and then didn't even get to the third instance. I don't see how I am going to catch up with other peoples gear much less stay near the top.

I also had a bitch of a time trying to find the instance entrances. But the 10m is like right in front of a big ass battering ram and if you fly up one level, and to the right or northeast, you see the big walkway, the 5man junk is inside the citadel at the end of that closest side.

Wait easier explanation which you probably don't need now but anyways. If your in Dalaran, and fly straight west to icecrown citadel, you wind up seeing the mountain on the left, with the walkway running round the citadel, just follow it around the west and north, and its at the end with the argent gryphons right? For 5ms I think, and then drop down over the north side of that walkway, and in front of the battering ram* and stairs is the 10m/25m.

[TheEschaton]

So you guild killed the lich king last night? in 10 man?

Am I missing something, or is it another phased release?

[AestheticDeath]

nah lich king isnt in 10m yet...Torand (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Shadowsong&cn=Torand&gn=Vanquish)
http://www.wowwiki.com/Storming_the_Citadel_%2810_player%29

and yeah it was normal mode, not heroic

there is not more then one wing of 10m icc out atm is there?

[Some Rogue]

First wing this week, next wing is in 28 days...after that, who knows. Yes, it's a gated release, it might april before we see the LK but I bet they speed it up after awhile.

[Alfster]

Figure about 2 to 3 months after the final area is released until the next expansion.

[g++]

They already released a statement saying the only reason its phased 28 days is so the developement team can have a proper holiday. It will probarbly release rapidly afterward. If they want to make you wait till May to kill the lich king they will probarbly just do it the old fashioned way by making him hard as shit.

[Some Rogue]

Man, I am fucking loving the new LFG. It's gonna make gearing up my army of alts so much faster.

[g++]

Man, I am fucking loving the new LFG. It's gonna make gearing up my army of alts so much faster.

Im also loving it. Got on my mage last night and hooked up with a tank and healer from my guild. With two pugs we cleared 7 heroics in 2 hours for some where around 40 badges, a shit load of enchanting mats about 300 gold and of course it was also just fun because it was so fast...the second the boss in one dungeon died we were loading the next. Its just way easier to log in and immediately start having a good time now rather than sitting in trade chat for hours on end.

I queued up alone earlier yesterday and one of the random pugs two of the people had the legendary mace from ulduar...like everyone using the system seems to be geared its just soooo nice.

[Krendeli]

Love it too. And I got the other end of it last night.

I loaded up my toc25 shaman up into it and got shoved into half a OC run. Failers didn't want to down the drakes around the second boss so they wiped promptly. I left immediately.

Second group was toc5. It took a few shots until the tank got his head out of his ass, but we finished.

[Parkbandit]

Man, I am fucking loving the new LFG. It's gonna make gearing up my army of alts so much faster.

Yea.. it's awesome. I ran 5 instances back to back on Bullchip last night.. got 4-5 drops and quest rewards.

And the random reward is a BOP blue item (at least at level 67).. which is pretty awesome.

Still looks like there is a major shortage on tanks though. I had perhaps the dumbest paladin player ever playing tank last night:

1) He used the big bubble when he had aggro on 10 mobs. Thankfully, we just started so I was able to run the fuck out. I asked him why the fuck he did that and he said his health was below 50% and he didn't want to die........

2) He kept rolling greed on items, then claiming he needed them. He wanted some mail pants that dropped with spell power and intellect/spirit.. saying they were a big upgrade to what he was wearing (he was tanking)

3) A quest item dropped from one of the bosses and he saw me loot it. He opened up a trade window to me, saying he needed it. I fucked with him, saying I needed it too and that he couldn't have it, but I'd sell it to him. He said he only had 50 gold and he needed to start saving up for his epic flying.

[Some Rogue]

Yeah, I had a retard group on my paladin but 5 or 6 good groups on my mage.

[g++]

Yea.. it's awesome. I ran 5 instances back to back on Bullchip last night.. got 4-5 drops and quest rewards.

And the random reward is a BOP blue item (at least at level 67).. which is pretty awesome.

Still looks like there is a major shortage on tanks though. I had perhaps the dumbest paladin player ever playing tank last night:

1) He used the big bubble when he had aggro on 10 mobs. Thankfully, we just started so I was able to run the fuck out. I asked him why the fuck he did that and he said his health was below 50% and he didn't want to die........

2) He kept rolling greed on items, then claiming he needed them. He wanted some mail pants that dropped with spell power and intellect/spirit.. saying they were a big upgrade to what he was wearing (he was tanking)

3) A quest item dropped from one of the bosses and he saw me loot it. He opened up a trade window to me, saying he needed it. I fucked with him, saying I needed it too and that he couldn't have it, but I'd sell it to him. He said he only had 50 gold and he needed to start saving up for his epic flying.


Thats why I grab a tank and healer from guild before queueing. That way no matter how bad the two other random people are there is no way in hell they can ruin a heroic.

[Loyrl]

Thats why I grab a tank and healer from guild before queueing. That way no matter how bad the two other random people are there is no way in hell they can ruin a heroic.

Did that too, did a few random heroics and went smoothly.

[Some Rogue]

Haha, I love wowhead sometimes.

Regarding Bronjham, the godfather of souls:

Based on extensive testing, I've figured out the best way to defeat Bronjahm.

1. First, have your tank get on up.
2. Once he gets aggro, have your DPS get on the scene.
3. Then have your healer get on up.
4. Finally, take him down like a sex machine

[TheEschaton]

I queued up 3 times on my 26 druid, who gained 3 levels just from instances last night. It was pretty sweet.

And yeah, I got a BoP blue item too each time. But it was a necklace all three times. Luckily I can use all three, one for tanking, one for cat, one for resto.

-TheE-

[Deadelf]

Really liking the new LFG system, being a Tank/healer paladin I get into groups pretty much instantly. Hell I turned off trade chat since I nolonger have to read the crap to find a group. Nice change on Blizzards part.

[Nieninque]

Yay...you can mail BOA items cross faction.

I CAN FLY!

[TheEschaton]

I love that the old classic instances are now being used again. It was a pain in the ass figuring out Gnomeregan again, but being ported there automatically = AWESOME. T?he trip was the worst part about the instance.

[Parkbandit]

I queued up 3 times on my 26 druid, who gained 3 levels just from instances last night. It was pretty sweet.

And yeah, I got a BoP blue item too each time. But it was a necklace all three times. Luckily I can use all three, one for tanking, one for cat, one for resto.

-TheE-

Why are you leveling up another druid?

[TheEschaton]

Well, one is feral tank/boomkin, I wanted one which was feral kitty/resto.

I know, it's a sickness.

[AestheticDeath]

I'm not having much luck finding groups with my 70 mage yet. The 80 is doing fine though.

[Nieninque]

Well, one is feral tank/boomkin, I wanted one which was feral kitty/resto.

I know, it's a sickness.

well, when you get to 80, make them feral tank/kitty and oomkin/resto

That way it will be less of a pain to gear them up

[TheEschaton]

The feral tank/boomkin already has full sets in both lulz. I know, foresight is the mother of all blah blah blah.

[Loyrl]

Yay...you can mail BOA items cross faction.

I CAN FLY!

And that they made the helm and shoulder enchants BOA, I wasn't going to grind the hodir rep on my priest.

[Parkbandit]

Yay...you can mail BOA items cross faction.

I CAN FLY!

Wha?

Can you send them gold as well?

that's fucked up... especially on a PVP server.

[AestheticDeath]

Ok, I think the random group dungeon finder sucks now.

Way to easy to get in a group with under geared people who need everything. Two items per boss a lot of the time.

TOO many morons who need stuff they don't need. And you can't need it too, since its a class item, like in DTK the BOE blue stuff was dropping and the casters were all needing the stuff, but I couldn't. They all had epics.

Then this stupid lock, accused me of not holding aggro, while I was lagging. And his pet died in the black hole things that do so much dmg, then he died cause of not paying attention to his aggro. Blamed me of course, I guess he doesn't use omen or something.

We get past two boss's in DTK, I accuse the lock of not doing his part, after he was accusing me of killing him, and then him needing loot, for repair bills that are MY fault. There was a 2700 gearscore DK, out damaging the lock when he had like 4600 gearscore. After the dyno boss, im lookin at the meters, and the lock has 500k dmg total, the DK has 1.2m+... So Im complaining about them being ninjas, and him not doing his part etc..

And then someone complains the DK needs to pick up his DPS... He is in crap gear and doing more damage then the Lock tho..

I get kicked from group...

I read that you need 4 people to kick, but I am thinking that is not the case. And you don't get notified that people are voting against you etc.

[TheEschaton]

dps always blame the tank for not generating enough threat, tanks always blame dps for not watching their threat.

[TheEschaton]

I've also noted some odd habits from other servers. It seems on certain servers, everyone needs on the Frozen Orbs in dungeons, whereas on Dunemaul we've always greeded.

It's kinda like cross cultural mixing. It's bizarre.

[Nieninque]

Wha?

Can you send them gold as well?

that's fucked up... especially on a PVP server.

No, just BoA items.
It isnt fucked up at all really.
The BoA items are rewards for people who are levelling up second toons to 80 to make it easier...it's a bribe to continue doing the same shit over and over. No reason why they cant be sent cross faction. Nothing else can be. I tried.

And the "especially on a PvP server" thing doesn't follow in anything any more. You can level up to 80 on a PvE server and transfer to a PvP server these days...it isnt the same thing it once was.

Having said that, I think I had about 2 world PvP incidents on my way to 74 (so far). The game is hugely changed. There will be no more ganking outside of instances ever with the LFG thing.

[AnticorRifling]

We killed a lvl 60 NE warrior the other night.

26 warrior
28 shaman
29 hunter

And we kicked his ass, enough that he got rez sickness. He was so fucking stupid.

[g++]

Ok, I think the random group dungeon finder sucks now.

Way to easy to get in a group with under geared people who need everything. Two items per boss a lot of the time.

TOO many morons who need stuff they don't need. And you can't need it too, since its a class item, like in DTK the BOE blue stuff was dropping and the casters were all needing the stuff, but I couldn't. They all had epics.

Then this stupid lock, accused me of not holding aggro, while I was lagging. And his pet died in the black hole things that do so much dmg, then he died cause of not paying attention to his aggro. Blamed me of course, I guess he doesn't use omen or something.

We get past two boss's in DTK, I accuse the lock of not doing his part, after he was accusing me of killing him, and then him needing loot, for repair bills that are MY fault. There was a 2700 gearscore DK, out damaging the lock when he had like 4600 gearscore. After the dyno boss, im lookin at the meters, and the lock has 500k dmg total, the DK has 1.2m+... So Im complaining about them being ninjas, and him not doing his part etc..

And then someone complains the DK needs to pick up his DPS... He is in crap gear and doing more damage then the Lock tho..

I get kicked from group...

I read that you need 4 people to kick, but I am thinking that is not the case. And you don't get notified that people are voting against you etc.

LOL

[Atlanteax]

It's my understanding that the new Icecrown (the first 4 bosses) are kinda easy to get through.

And that it's along Toc-10 in difficulty, and there's no real learning curve like at the halfway mark in Ulduar, and no pseduo progression walls like the final boss of construct wing was in Naxx for awhile.

[g++]

It's my understanding that the new Icecrown (the first 4 bosses) are kinda easy to get through.

And that it's along Toc-10 in difficulty, and there's no real learning curve like at the halfway mark in Ulduar, and no pseduo progression walls like the final boss of construct wing was in Naxx for awhile.

Yah I did it last night on my holy paladin in ulduar hard mode gear\some toc hard mode gear. It was pretty easy. Even the things that should kill you like whirl winds on the first boss and ghosts on the second are not one shots and the damage is not like in ToC theres spikes on the tanks but no where near the insane levels of raid damage on ToGc 25 its mostly dps races and not even hard ones. Saurfang can be a bitch because you need to be like 12 yards away from each other so range check people fuck up and help him get marks out but once people realize the only trick to the fight is to kite the adds and stay 12 yards apart he goes down.

If you have been clearing grand crusader I think you will definately be on vacation for a couple months till the lich king goes down on normal.

[g++]

Having said that, I think I had about 2 world PvP incidents on my way to 74 (so far). The game is hugely changed. There will be no more ganking outside of instances ever with the LFG thing.

Does this mean killing spree rogues will finally realize they are not actually good at the game? Nah

[AnticorRifling]

KILLING SPREE!

[g++]

Its the gayest talent ever its flavor text should be "Win a duel or 1 on 1 pvp encounter" but like it is completely worthless in every other situation like arena and what not because the partner will CC the rogue and the killing spree rogue is worthless when he cant press that one button.

[Parkbandit]

I swear though... there are far more dumb people on other servers than on Dunemaul. I did 3 instances last night:

1) Shaman rolled need on a tanking trinket, saying he needed the armor.
2) Tank was complaining I wasn't healing him fast enough.. then realized he was wearing all red gear.. and said he thinks if I just step it up he can finish the last boss...
3) Tank was complaining that he couldn't get threat on 3 casters in a group of 5.. because I was healing him too much. I promptly stopped healing him and started healing myself as I was slowly running towards the exit.

[TheEschaton]

There are a lot of casters in the new dungeons, yes. It makes tanking actually somewhat interesting.

[g++]

heh that sucks. Im actually gearing my paladin as a tank just so I can queue with my friends as tank. I refuse to pug them because the ones in the system are so bad.

[Parkbandit]

Its the gayest talent ever its flavor text should be "Win a duel or 1 on 1 pvp encounter" but like it is completely worthless in every other situation like arena and what not because the partner will CC the rogue and the killing spree rogue is worthless when he cant press that one button.

It's definately OP.. but I didn't like the rest of the spec enough to keep it.

[Some Rogue]

There are a lot of casters in the new dungeons, yes. It makes tanking actually somewhat interesting.

Between that and the bug they added with 3.3 for tanks, it's frustrating.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I pugged one of the instances last night, cant recall the name but it's just two bosses and the last boss is a big head or something. It's the one where you have to stop dpsing him when he mirrors.

Anyway, the pugs didn't get it right off and promptly killed first the lock in our group and then the warrior. The tank died by standing in one of the circles he drops too long - so it's just me and a 1200 dps hunter (WTF?!) in heroic with the boss at 10% health. I dropped some uber heals on him and I and we finally downed it, but I bet I burned every cooldown, pot and trinket I had.

I imagine with either knowledgable or geared folks it would have gone super fast. I'm enjoying the new content though, and it's nice to see folks gearing up very very quickly.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Between that and the bug they added with 3.3 for tanks, it's frustrating.

what bug?

[Atlanteax]

Yah I did it last night on my holy paladin in ulduar hard mode gear\some toc hard mode gear. It was pretty easy. Even the things that should kill you like whirl winds on the first boss and ghosts on the second are not one shots and the damage is not like in ToC theres spikes on the tanks but no where near the insane levels of raid damage on ToGc 25 its mostly dps races and not even hard ones. Saurfang can be a bitch because you need to be like 12 yards away from each other so range check people fuck up and help him get marks out but once people realize the only trick to the fight is to kite the adds and stay 12 yards apart he goes down.

If you have been clearing grand crusader I think you will definately be on vacation for a couple months till the lich king goes down on normal.

Okay, so... now it's official.

Classic/BC = Elite Questing Areas, Hard Instances, Epic Journey Raids
WotLK = everything soloable, instances are badge-farm, raids = glorified instances

[g++]

I've also noted some odd habits from other servers. It seems on certain servers, everyone needs on the Frozen Orbs in dungeons, whereas on Dunemaul we've always greeded.

It's kinda like cross cultural mixing. It's bizarre.

It is really bizarre, I did Occulus with some guys from Emerald Dream last night and they had different strategies for everything and they were not a pre-made so its like a server wide strategy...not that it really mattered cause we were all geared and doing like 7-8k dps on the bosses anyway but its interesting how different pockets of WoW players see the game completely different. I think everyone shadowburn greeds/de's everything in my experience so far though.

[Parkbandit]

Between that and the bug they added with 3.3 for tanks, it's frustrating.

What bug?

[TheEschaton]

WHAT BUG?!?!?

[g++]

Maybe hes talking about the -20% dodge in IC? I wasnt aware it affected heroics though.

[Some Rogue]

what bug?

Mobs continually try to get behind you. You'll get them in place then they'll run through/behind you so you have to constantly be dancing around. It's annoying.

[Some Rogue]

Okay, so... now it's official.

Classic/BC = Elite Questing Areas, Hard Instances, Epic Journey Raids
WotLK = everything soloable, instances are badge-farm, raids = glorified instances

So quit?

But take off the rose colored glasses first. Vanilla/BC wasn't that great.

[TheEschaton]

Mobs continually try to get behind you. You'll get them in place then they'll run through/behind you so you have to constantly be dancing around. It's annoying.


I hadn't noticed that on my bear.

[Alfster]

I've also noted some odd habits from other servers. It seems on certain servers, everyone needs on the Frozen Orbs in dungeons, whereas on Dunemaul we've always greeded.

It's kinda like cross cultural mixing. It's bizarre.

Yah, that one was odd. Not that I care, those run around 10 gold anyway.

[Atlanteax]

So quit?

But take off the rose colored glasses first. Vanilla/BC wasn't that great.

I already did. I play Aion now instead.

Perhaps Vanilla/BC wasn't that great... but WotLK was worse.

[Some Rogue]

I hadn't noticed that on my bear.

Eh druids have a fucked up hit box anyway so it's probably not as noticeable.

[Kyra231]

Mobs continually try to get behind you. You'll get them in place then they'll run through/behind you so you have to constantly be dancing around. It's annoying.

I noticed this on my paladin, drives me bonkers.

[AestheticDeath]

Ditto, hope they fix the mob movement soonish. I was all trying to figure out if it was my connection or something, cause mobs/my char never seem to stop in the right place when I am lagging.

[TheEschaton]

Tanking bug in 3.3
There is a known bug that was introduced in 3.3 that can cause tanked mobs to move around in unpredictable and frustrating ways. A fix is incoming. (Source)


blue post on MMO

[oldanforgotten]

Okay, so... now it's official.

Classic/BC = Elite Questing Areas, Hard Instances, Epic Journey Raids
WotLK = everything soloable, instances are badge-farm, raids = glorified instances

Wrath hardmodes are just as challenging TBH as anything from previous installments. Wrath normal modes arent meant to appeal to raiding guilds, they are meant to appeal to the masses that actually pay the bills so they can experience the content. Pre-nerf 3 tree, firefighter, and yogg-1 were all just as challenging as Mu'ru, and until TOC gear was available to the masses, yogg-0 was the most challenging encounter the game has ever had to offer.

Strong raiders have known for months that until the hardmodes become available, they need to just keep farming togc, run 2 groups mixed with mains and alts through normal mode and collect primordial saronites, and get themselves prepped for 2 1/2 to 3 months from now when the hardmodes will be available.

[Me]

Yes indeed. The original poster of the silly BC comments has a very selective memory. 40 man raids where only about 20 of the people in them did anything, hard instances that were not so hard if you had good gear but only a few guilds could get that gear and last but not least whole areas of the game you might not see because you could not get into a top end guild. Before BC who even got to see Cthun on Dunemaul? 1 guild. So now there is regular mode where everyone can run it, gear up alts or just farm badges and hard mode where if you really enjoy throwing yourself against the best the game designers can throw at you.

Wow is not a perfect game but so far they seem to do a good job of trying to get it right.



Wrath hardmodes are just as challenging TBH as anything from previous installments. Wrath normal modes arent meant to appeal to raiding guilds, they are meant to appeal to the masses that actually pay the bills so they can experience the content. Pre-nerf 3 tree, firefighter, and yogg-1 were all just as challenging as Mu'ru, and until TOC gear was available to the masses, yogg-0 was the most challenging encounter the game has ever had to offer.

Strong raiders have known for months that until the hardmodes become available, they need to just keep farming togc, run 2 groups mixed with mains and alts through normal mode and collect primordial saronites, and get themselves prepped for 2 1/2 to 3 months from now when the hardmodes will be available.

[AnticorRifling]

I haven't even played my 80s since the patch. For some reason I have it in my head I need mortal strike so I rolled a warrior...he's 30. If you see a low lvl orc warrior named Beardedbag running around be afraid.

[Me]

By the way the gun battle is fun!!

LF

[Drisco]

I'm a grown up. I make my own choices.

That just had Win written all over it. I feel like it didn't get the attention it needed.


Also, when you guys do the Random Dungeon. Never click that you can Lead a group. That put's you in groups with fresh 80's who don't have the achievements for the instances.

[AnticorRifling]

That just had Win written all over it. I feel like it didn't get the attention it needed.


Also, when you guys do the Random Dungeon. Never click that you can Lead a group. That put's you in groups with fresh 80's who don't have the achievements for the instances.

ZOMG NOT FRESH 80s!!!

[Some Rogue]

I still lol at the people who drop group when Occulus pops up. Oh Noez, not this one!!!!

It wasn't hard before and since the nerf, it's a fucking cakewalk.

[AnticorRifling]

It's always been a cake walk. It just requires you to know how to use a mount and fly around. Hell there's a navigation button, but people are retarded, get lost, fail, and cry that it's too hard.

[Methais]

and until TOC gear was available to the masses, yogg-0 was the most challenging encounter the game has ever had to offer.

Wouldn't that mean that yogg-0 was just the most gear dependent encounter the game ever had to offer, if it's not so challenging now that everyone has gear?

[Drisco]

ZOMG NOT FRESH 80s!!!

Fresh 80's are the worst. Especially if they are a tank or healer. I like a quick run which is why I usually take 3 from my guild and pug the last guy that we need.

[AnticorRifling]

Fresh 80's are the worst. Especially if they are a tank or healer. I like a quick run which is why I usually take 3 from my guild and pug the last guy that we need.


I didn't realize you started out as a seasoned 80.

[g++]

Wouldn't that mean that yogg-0 was just the most gear dependent encounter the game ever had to offer, if it's not so challenging now that everyone has gear?

Yogg Saron received a MASSIVE nerf the day ToC was released. A 30% health reduction in phase 3 in all modes. If you read Stars write up on how they killed it from the second Yogg was engaged in 0 lights before the nerf there was about a 10% chance that the random factors involved in the fight like marked gaurdian spawns and gaurdian locations and crusher spawns would make it possible to kill Yogg Saron at all with no lights up. So for every 10 pulls only about one of them would be a legitamate shot at a kill.

With the health reduction the RNG no longer decided whether a kill was possible every pull it was possible just really really hard. On top of that obviously having better gear up's raid DPS for the burn and makes it easier to keep all the tentacles dead before going into phase 3 and a tank with 10k+ more hit points will have an easier time holding immortal gaurdians.

Its still incredibly challenging and there are still plenty of servers where no one has done it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I downed the first boss in ICC last night on 25 man. I love the challenge there. The three new 5 man heroics are already boring to me, but I was geared past them from toc10 and toc25 already, save needing a better set of boots and neat trinkets.

I've only 24 frost emblems so far, but the cloaks they have make fucking drool. Hell, everything frost does.

And I am now friendly with whatever that faction is in ICC, yay.

[Parkbandit]

I haven't even played my 80s since the patch. For some reason I have it in my head I need mortal strike so I rolled a warrior...he's 30. If you see a low lvl orc warrior named Beardedbag running around be afraid.

Heh.. same. I have a druid now 71. Time to level via AV from now on though.. so I'll have shit-tons of honor at 80.

Not to mention a full set of blue pvp gear that's already crafted and sitting in my bank.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Heh.. same. I have a druid now 71. Time to level via AV from now on though.. so I'll have shit-tons of honor at 80.

Not to mention a full set of blue pvp gear that's already crafted and sitting in my bank.

Blue gear is for pussies. Is your druid feral or what? I finally figured out how to get my boomkin dps up to 5k or so, but honestly I almost never play that spec. I do out heal everyone in any raid I'm in, save a paladin who is on the tanks.

I will say this about the ICC raid, for the first time in months I actually had to use a mana pot.

[Parkbandit]

Blue gear is for pussies. Is your druid feral or what? I finally figured out how to get my boomkin dps up to 5k or so, but honestly I almost never play that spec. I do out heal everyone in any raid I'm in, save a paladin who is on the tanks.

I will say this about the ICC raid, for the first time in months I actually had to use a mana pot.

As soon as I ding 78, I have a full set of blue pvp gear to go up to level 80 in.

Right now, I'm going the cheap route... Boomkin and Healing specs = 1 set of gear. Once I get to 80, Bullchip will be used for strickly healing.

[oldanforgotten]

Wouldn't that mean that yogg-0 was just the most gear dependent encounter the game ever had to offer, if it's not so challenging now that everyone has gear?

had the fight not been so severely nerfed, the number of guilds having this encounter down would probably still be in the two dozen-three dozen range tops in 25.

Yes, it was gear dependant I guess in that it was a DPS race that stressed the absolute limit of what you could do. There was also a lot of RNG that went into it. There were a lot of guilds that had the damage/healing to do the fight, but the level of execution required was absolutely sick.

You needed a tank that was able to tab through 20-25 mobs over the course of about 4-5 seconds and taunt out 2-3 of them randomly based on a buff they had. not until after the patch did those mobs get renamed. Missing even one of them would result in an instant wipe. You needed DPS that could intelligently cleave and single target mobs, etc., so it wasn't just blind DPS either.

From some early testing, it appears that the ulduar hardmodes were too hard for it being the second instance out, and TOC was too easy. Icecrown hard modes definitely border on the ridiculous level from the 2 that I've had a chance to play around with. Rotface in particular, is a BRUTAL healing check on heroic.

[Drisco]

I didn't realize you started out as a seasoned 80.

Not what I said at all, but I don't really expect to much from you any who.


I can't believe you are arguing with me over this? If you want to go with fresh 80's when you do heroics, go ahead and tick that button then. I think that most people would rather go with geared people for a quicker run.

10/10 on being a dick with a stupid argument.

[g++]

I dont mind fresh 80's in the old instances because I can usually drag them kicking and screaming through UP or Nexus or whatever but if I see one in Heroic HoR I just tell them immediately im going to vote to kick them as soon as the 5 minutes is up and they usually leave on their own.

I saw a Warlock doing 900 dps in heroic forge of saron last night....sorry no.

[AnticorRifling]

Not what I said at all, but I don't really expect to much from you any who.


I can't believe you are arguing with me over this? If you want to go with fresh 80's when you do heroics, go ahead and tick that button then. I think that most people would rather go with geared people for a quicker run.

10/10 on being a dick with a stupid argument.


It's exactly what you said.

I'm glad you've got expectations for me, I'm loved. I don't care who I group with on heroics as long as they aren't retarded. Heroics are the jump off point for getting gear. To be honest I as long as the tank and healer are good I can carry the other 2 dps and it's still a fast run. I'm sorry you need 5 geared people to make a HEROIC quick.



On topic we did ICC 25 last night, I gotta figure out why but once I'm in that zone my frame rate goes to absolute shit. The fights I saw looked fun (had to go at second boss we started late and I needed sleep). I did score the 2h axe off the first boss though so I'm happy.

[AnticorRifling]

I dont mind fresh 80's in the old instances because I can usually drag them kicking and screaming through UP or Nexus or whatever but if I see one in Heroic HoR I just tell them immediately im going to vote to kick them as soon as the 5 minutes is up and they usually leave on their own.

I saw a Warlock doing 900 dps in heroic forge of saron last night....sorry no.

I haven't done any of the new 5 man instances how are they?

[Some Rogue]

Haha, turn your sound up for the first boss in Forge of Souls.

I like the new instances but that's maybe because they're still new. The hardest by far is Halls of Reflection and it's not bad if you LoS the waves of trash. The escape from the LK was pretty hectic as a tank though.

[AnticorRifling]

If I turn my sound up and it's like Deconstructor's annoying ass I'll punch you via TCP/IP.

[Some Rogue]

I will give you a hint...his name is Bronjahm, the Godfather of Souls...

[AnticorRifling]

Fuck yo couch!

[Some Rogue]

Fuck yo couch!

Sausage Party, Rick James is not the Godfather of Soul.

[AnticorRifling]

I realize this, thank you. It was just the first thing I thought of in conjunction with James Brown for some reason.


Fuck did I just answer to sausage party....

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/james_browns_celebrity_hot_tub_part.jpg

[Drisco]

It's exactly what you said.

I'm glad you've got expectations for me, I'm loved. I don't care who I group with on heroics as long as they aren't retarded. Heroics are the jump off point for getting gear. To be honest I as long as the tank and healer are good I can carry the other 2 dps and it's still a fast run. I'm sorry you need 5 geared people to make a HEROIC quick.



On topic we did ICC 25 last night, I gotta figure out why but once I'm in that zone my frame rate goes to absolute shit. The fights I saw looked fun (had to go at second boss we started late and I needed sleep). I did score the 2h axe off the first boss though so I'm happy.


I didn't realize that having 1 good dps makes it just as fast as having 3 good dps. I'm sorry if you ever got butthurt when someone kicked you from a group because you were a shitty dps.

You don't need geared people to do a heroic, that's just silly. I like to have geared people because shit goes a lot smoother since they know what to do, granted they are skilled enough.

[AnticorRifling]

I like to have geared people because shit goes a lot smoother since they know what to do

Ahh got it, you think gear = skill. That's all we needed. Should have said that at the beginning that you were one of those.


I can easily blow a hole in this school of thought with 1 word: Honeyrose

[AnticorRifling]

Also I'll add you're contradicting yourself and it makes my head hurt. I blame your bacon (ITS JUST HAM YOU BASTARDS)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I don't mind running instances with folks who are running them to get geared... in fact I prefer seeing someone get nice stuff and appreciating it than seeing it DE'd or sold.

There is not an item in any heroic that I need - all of my resto gear is above item level 232. I run them because frankly I like the social aspect, and teaching folks if they are amiable to it, and seeing others get something they'll appreciate or an achievement. I always ask if they want to try for an achievement before a boss, and I've got most of them already.

I subscribe to paying it forward I guess.

[Drisco]

Ahh got it, you think gear = skill. That's all we needed. Should have said that at the beginning that you were one of those.


I can easily blow a hole in this school of thought with 1 word: Honeyrose


I think you have selective reading. Do you always just choose what you are going to say and then read what fits and blatanly ignore everything else?

Lets recap shall we?

Drisco: Going with fresh 80's are the worst. Don't tick that leader box if you want to go with people who just haven't hit 80. I'd rather have a smooth run with people from my guild.

Anitcor: I forgot you were epic when you first hit 80.

Drisco: Well.. No Anticor that's not what I said at all. I just said that if you tick that box you will go with fresh 80's who gear isn't capable of doing great damage no matter their skill.

Anticor: Oh I only care if the tank and healer are good. I'm good enough that I can carry the other 2 dps and have a quick run, I'm sorry you need all geared people for a quick run.

Drisco: Oh, so you want a geared tank and healer, but dps doesn't matter since you can carry them. Oh I didn't realize that you are so good that if I have you in my group we can go as fast as if we had 3 really good dps. Jeez, I'm awfully sorry for assuming that 3 geared dps, granted they have skill was a quicker run than 1 dps.

Anticor: Oh so you think geared people equates for skill. Gear = Skill gotcha.


No, Anticor you are being retarded and can't seem to see that.

[Drisco]

I didn't realize that having 1 good dps makes it just as fast as having 3 good dps. I'm sorry if you ever got butthurt when someone kicked you from a group because you were a shitty dps.

You don't need geared people to do a heroic, that's just silly. I like to have geared people because shit goes a lot smoother since they know what to do, granted they are skilled enough.


Ahh got it, you think gear = skill. That's all we needed. Should have said that at the beginning that you were one of those.


I can easily blow a hole in this school of thought with 1 word: Honeyrose

Just in case you missed it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Oh, and if I'm just looking for a quick run, I go with guild members. But like I said above, I do enjoy meeting other folks too and building relationships with other raiders/guilds. Hell, half the pug raids I go on are because they know me from heroics and invite me, rather than me going into LFR.

[AnticorRifling]

I think you have selective reading. Do you always just choose what you are going to say and then read what fits and blatanly ignore everything else?

Lets recap shall we?

Drisco: Going with fresh 80's are the worst. Don't tick that leader box if you want to go with people who just haven't hit 80. I'd rather have a smooth run with people from my guild.

Anitcor: I forgot you were epic when you first hit 80.

Drisco: Well.. No Anticor that's not what I said at all. I just said that if you tick that box you will go with fresh 80's who gear isn't capable of doing great damage no matter their skill.

Anticor: Oh I only care if the tank and healer are good. I'm good enough that I can carry the other 2 dps and have a quick run, I'm sorry you need all geared people for a quick run.

Drisco: Oh, so you want a geared tank and healer, but dps doesn't matter since you can carry them. Oh I didn't realize that you are so good that if I have you in my group we can go as fast as if we had 3 really good dps. Jeez, I'm awfully sorry for assuming that 3 geared dps, granted they have skill was a quicker run than 1 dps.

Anticor: Oh so you think geared people equates for skill. Gear = Skill gotcha.


No, Anticor you are being retarded and can't seem to see that.

I'm not going to lie it would have been much cooler if we both actually said this. Except for the me being retarded part I still think that's you.

Should we sex now?

My recap would have said:

Drisco don't group with fresh 80s, must have gear and achievements.

Anticor: Ahh you started as a seasoned 80 got it.

Drisco: Fuck you cracker that's not what I said quit putting words that I meant in my mouth what I meant was I want fast runs and you have to have gear for that because that means you have skill (oh and have skill too)

Anticor: Lol wut gear != skill I'm going to point that out and ignore your self contradiction of gear = skill but only if you have skill

Drisco: I h8 you did I mention I don't care what you think? And you're retarded

Anticor: Fuck your bacon

[Drisco]

Should we sex now?




Yes.

[AnticorRifling]

I don't mind running instances with folks who are running them to get geared... in fact I prefer seeing someone get nice stuff and appreciating it than seeing it DE'd or sold.

There is not an item in any heroic that I need - all of my resto gear is above item level 232. I run them because frankly I like the social aspect, and teaching folks if they are amiable to it, and seeing others get something they'll appreciate or an achievement. I always ask if they want to try for an achievement before a boss, and I've got most of them already.

I subscribe to paying it forward I guess. Give it time, that will wear off :)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Bacon fucker.

[g++]

I haven't done any of the new 5 man instances how are they?

They can be pretty challenging if your loading in alone with 4 randoms. The first one is an intelligence check, lot of reflective damage and stop-casting mechanics. The second one is a tanking check, multiple pulls with 5+ caster mobs in awkward positions and finally a run through a collapsing tunnel filled with mobs which means the tank has to hold aggro while running. Then the third one HoR is a a DPS check (if your pugging) on heroic everyone needs to do about 4k average to get through the last part which can be nearly impossible if you have one bad dps with you because then everyone else would have to pick up slack and do like 6k unbuffed in a 5man.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

They can be pretty challenging if your loading in alone with 4 randoms. The first one is an intelligence check, lot of reflective damage and stop-casting mechanics. The second one is a tanking check, multiple pulls with 5+ caster mobs in awkward positions and finally a run through a collapsing tunnel filled with mobs which means the tank has to hold aggro while running. Then the third one HoR is a a DPS check (if your pugging) on heroic everyone needs to do about 4k average to get through the last part which can be nearly impossible if you have one bad dps with you because then everyone else would have to pick up slack and do like 6k unbuffed in a 5man.

I actually disagree. They all seem fairly straightforward to me (and not hard), and I've only pugged them. And the 4k dps on HoR I think is WAY overboard. Maybe 2.7k or 3k.

[g++]

I average 5k dps in heroics on my mage and have met the lich king up close and personal on the final part of HoR. If your numbers were actually right that would mean the other two people were doing ~1-1.5k each....they werent. It probarbly depends on your tank and how you engage as well but...you need decent gear thats all I am saying and even with your numbers if someone is doing <1.5k dps its going to be hard to get through.

[Parkbandit]

If someone is doing 1.5k dps in a heroic.. then they are either auto-attacking, in the wrong spec, in shitty gear or plain stupid.

[g++]

At least 30% of the people I meet in the queue random dungeons I do are under 1.5k dps.

[AnticorRifling]

It's like when the tank is wearing his dps gear, in blood presence and the damn priest is bitching that he's taking a lot of damage...

[Some Rogue]

Both the first and second dungeons have lots of caster mobs that are spread out. It's annoying. I think the first is worse than the second in that regard. Boss fights are simple though.

The last does require good dps and focused fire or you will get your face smashed in my the LK. The first couple waves are fine, third starts to get bad and the fourth can be insane if people aren't paying attention (or your DK throws up army of the dead 70 yds from the wall :( )

[Parkbandit]

It's like when the tank is wearing his dps gear, in blood presence and the damn priest is bitching that he's taking a lot of damage...

At least your shit wasn't all red.. then still thinking you could finish the last boss..................

[Krendeli]

If your shit's all red, you got bigger problems than gear.

[Parkbandit]

If your shit's all red, you got bigger problems than gear.

Indeed. Funny part was, we had to explain it to him and how to get it repaired.

E-bay r gud.

[Celephais]

Indeed. Funny part was, we had to explain it to him and how to get it repaired.

E-bay r gud.
Wooooooooooooosh

[Methais]

you need decent gear thats all I am saying and even with your numbers if someone is doing <1.5k dps its going to be hard to get through.

My rogue who's not 80 yet has been doing 1.5-2.2k dps in regular 5 mans. I'm sporting dual heirloom daggers and chest and heirloom cloth shoulders from my mage, and until I got my l33t blue pvp gear yesterday, the rest was almost all greens.

So yeah....any dps running that place doing under 1.5k should probably just uninstall life.

[Keller]

It's like when the tank is wearing his dps gear, in blood presence and the damn priest is bitching that he's taking a lot of damage...

Or when the tank bitches out his healers because he died to Firemaw's flame ability while not wearing his Onyxia Scale Cloak.

Piss poor and unacceptable.

[AestheticDeath]

Gear may not equal skill, but gear can def equal more DPS for those spots. Even if your stupid, you can do decent DPS with good gear/class/spec whatever.

Healers and tanks can have all the gear they want, and still fuck up real quick. I've partied with healers that heal only the tank, and tanks that can't hold more then one mob at a time, and sometimes not even that. Tanks that don't pull in the ranged DPS etc..

And anytime I have had to group with people with bad gear, the run easily takes 5-20 minutes extra. I don't enjoy it, but I have not dropped group or kicked anyone because of it yet.

Anticor, you said you got an axe off the first boss, so I am assuming you took the DK in dps spec? If so, what kind of DPS were you putting out in 25m? And what spec were you using.

[Parkbandit]

Gear may not equal skill, but gear can def equal more DPS for those spots. Even if your stupid, you can do decent DPS with good gear/class/spec whatever.

Healers and tanks can have all the gear they want, and still fuck up real quick. I've partied with healers that heal only the tank, and tanks that can't hold more then one mob at a time, and sometimes not even that. Tanks that don't pull in the ranged DPS etc..

And anytime I have had to group with people with bad gear, the run easily takes 5-20 minutes extra. I don't enjoy it, but I have not dropped group or kicked anyone because of it yet.

Anticor, you said you got an axe off the first boss, so I am assuming you took the DK in dps spec? If so, what kind of DPS were you putting out in 25m? And what spec were you using.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Dunemaul&cn=Dachcow&gn=Broken+Aegis

[TheEschaton]

Healers and tanks can have all the gear they want, and still fuck up real quick. I've partied with healers that heal only the tank, and tanks that can't hold more then one mob at a time, and sometimes not even that. Tanks that don't pull in the ranged DPS etc..

Since you've never tanked anything serious, please, tell us how you get aggro and "pull" multiple ranged casting mobs in at once? The only way to make a caster stop casting is to interrupt them, and I can think of no way short of stunning (which, alas, also immobilizes them) on a bear (with Bash, 1m CD).

-TheE-

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

LOS

[AestheticDeath]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Dunemaul&cn=Dachcow&gn=Broken+Aegis
So I am assuming he would DPS in the blood spec. I can't tell what the unholy is.. Unless it is PvP.

And TheFucknut, I've tanked up to 10m TOC. With my gear I'd say that is fairly decent. Even if I hadn't it doesn't mean I don't know what a tank should be capable of just from watching others do it.

And yeah it is easy for a DK, and I assume a pally. Don't know or give a fuck about bears. I never see them tanking anyways. Getting aggro is even easier then pulling them.

But the main thing I was thinking of when stating that earlier was the new 5 mans, particularly HoR. The first one is the hardest, with the groups of 5, but I do it fine, and well compared to some of the other tanks I have had to group with.

The HoR, is the stupidest thing though, since all you have to do is use LoS to pull them in. Barring that though, it isn't hard to use death grip, stragulate, mind freeze, or arcane torrent.

The hardest thing I encounter in tanking the new 5 mans like that is DPS starting to early, and having to switch my whole strat based on their idiocy.

[AestheticDeath]

My guild just one shotted marrowgar tonight, first try on 25m

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

They made it easier

[Alfster]

My guild just one shotted marrowgar tonight, first try on 25m

The OP in this reminds me of you.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21726114293&sid=1

[AestheticDeath]

Because them failing a lot is equal to one shotting it? And how/when did they make it easier?

[Some Rogue]

They made 10 man easier.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The next day I think it was, reduced his bone storm damage and bleed damage from bone storm.

[AestheticDeath]

12/14/09

* In Ulduar, the Salvaged Demolisher’s Hurl Boulder ability will now properly ignite tar.
* Vault of Archavon bosses are again able to be hit by area of effect abilities.
* The trinket Ephemeral Snowflake will now be triggered by all healing spells.
* The players’ Gunship will now appropriately dock after achieving victory.
* Lord Marrowgar will now do significantly less melee damage in both the 10 player normal and 10 player heroic difficulty.

yeah only thing I saw, but we downed 10m fully the first day, before that

[Alfster]

Because them failing a lot is equal to one shotting it? And how/when did they make it easier?

Just the overall retarded questions reminds me of you. Just that.