TOC 25

[AestheticDeath]

OK, so I had not gotten a chance to do this until recently this last month or so. I cleared it once in a PUG, and didn't think too much about it. Now though, I joined a new guild on a whim thinking I would get to down 25m content on a frequent basis, as my other was still small enough to only do 10m junk, and wouldn't pug extras for 25m.

Anyways, this new guild seems to have trouble getting past Anub. I am almost positive it is our DPS as much as our lack of coordination, but everyone else said DPS was fine...

What kind of raid wide DPS are you guys doing in 25m ToC? I tried looking at some of my screenshots to see the whole DPS, but it wasn't showing. Best I can recall, we were doing approx 58k dps. That's only like 3600 DPS averaged out... Isn't that a bit low?

Do you use two tanks or three? We did three for weeks, and then tonight tried two tanks, and it worked out better somehow, but still didn't get Anub down.

None of the guides or forums really mention the DPS, more then likely cause it does not matter. Or so everyone tells me.

But you gotta beat the enrage timer right? Which means DPS means something... And I keep getting griped out along with a couple other people cause we talk about our DPS or link the recount etc... and raid leader is like, fuck that shit!@ DPS doesn't matter unless the boss is down! Wtf... I mean really.

OH, and do you guys(your raid tanks) use nature resist on helm/cloak? Tankspot I think it was recommended it for OTs especially. And when I asked if they would try it, everyone shot it down and said it doesn't make enough of a difference to count. I don't think I have seen anyone use it in a raid I was in.

Anyhow, surprise surprise, I gquit tonight cause they are all insane. WAY too much asskissing for the raid leader, they had like 2-3 people who would spam guild chat, or raid chat. Had some of the officers that would repeatedly gkick some r-tard, cause he was spamming, then reinvite him a second later, sometimes like 5 + times in a row causing more spam. Raid leader never stopped cussing people out, even if it wasn't their fault, and then would cuss you out if anyone hinted that HE had done something wrong. I mean raid leader doesn't do stuff wrong right? That is impossible. He went on for like 20-30 seconds cussing out the raid cause someone blamed him for not holding aggro... It was crazy. He obviously blamed it on the hunters for not misdirecting or something. And then blamed it on people DPSing too quick etc. Needless to say I got tired of his attitude of "I'll fucking throw your sorry ass dead bodies at Anub all night if I have to, we are taking him down1!, fuck your repair bills! Dont talk to ME about repair bills, I pay 92gajillion G for MYYY repair bills. EVERY FUCKING NIGHT, UPHILL to the repair man!!! Oh, and he would rip us a new one, when one person asked for a flask during raid or said they forgot one, or didn't have the G etc.. Then he asks another pally for symbol of kings cause he ran out. Same raid. I'm going to keep ranting because it is fun, and I am sure you guys need something to read at work. SO. Reallylongparagraph time. Tonight, while we were failing on Anub, after starting an hour late, raidleader fucks with us about our DPS being under par, he knows we can do better etc etc.. Saying we should have Anub down by now, we tried it for 3-4 weeks! What is holding us back, you stupid fucking DPS are! Ima fucking swap servers, my friend offered to pay the transfer, i dont gotta stay with you losers, but I like you guys, so I am staying! He quits the whole raid and leaves, right after I just used my second flask, like 5 minutes in. Waste... I was mad. Yesterday, or the day before I logged on for what was supposed to have been another Anub attempt, but found out it was an Ulduar 25 run which I had been asking for since I joined. Raid leader wasn't doing it cause he don't like Ulduar. But alas here we are, and I join up cause i am stupid that way. We wind up taking 3x as long as we should have to take down leviathan cause he is not leading. Just saying, he doesn't recall shit, someone else do something etc etc. We wipe the first attempt cause they tried hard mode first thing with two towers up, without really recalling wtf is going on. Then we just swap to easy mode alla sudden and take him down really quick. Then he wins a roll on a tank weapon, and then gives it to some random pug guy. When several others in guild could have used it. Myself included. yeah I was pissed. He winds up skipping the fire dude, and the dragon, we goto the walking kiddie robot, take him down, the only piece that drops that i can use/roll on, is an enchanting recipe. Blade ward. It was the last piece, and we get to it, he gives it to some girl in the guild, and moves on. I am like WTF bitch! We didn't roll. Why aren't we rolling? He says well we have a couple pugs, but I wanna make sure it goes to guild, we have been looking for it for a while now. I'm in the guild aren't I? WTF! I ask a couple more times why he didn't say something before the run notifying us about that little loot thing he was going to pull, and someone says he DID say it. Only half of us weren't there to hear it. Then I check on the girl he gave it to. She has enchanting, but she can't even learn the damn thing cause it is not maxed yet. Then he says, don't worry BRO, we get plenty more, there are tons of bosses in Uld. I'm fuming, but go along to the dragon. We wipe like 4 times. I don't recall why. But it was stupid whatever it was. The dragon is easiest thing in there besides leviathan. Then we lose 2 pugs. And so raidleader says FUCK THEM, we can 23 man it. One of the pugs was our top DPS. Then everyone is like no.. get some more. Then He says naw we can do it. Then the top DPS from the guild leaves. Then a few more leave, and then i am fixing to. And someone starts the goddamned fight.1!! So not only do I have a bunch of stupid wipes, I get one totally stupid needless wipe from some dumb fuck who thought it was be funny to waste everyones gold. So we leave Uld, two bosses down. No loot for me, but a large repair bill. THEN tonight, at TOC 25. The top DPS from Ulduar, won't come cause his girlfriend is not coming. She (also happens to be the one raid leader gave enchant to, that cant use it) is not going because one guy from guild said she wasn't pulling her weight. So raid loses two people cause of some stupid personal drama between guildies. Who bails on a whole guild raid, cause of one person, when they are counting on you? Dumb fucks, that's who. People I don't need to be playing with. Anyways I am tired and its already 2LDR, so I going to bed.

By the way, there are no refunds if you actually wasted the time it took to read all that BS. Sorry.

[Alfster]

Transfer to Dunemaul.

Join Serpents Kiss.

[Androidpk]

Problem officer?

[Xaerve]

no friends + wall of text = win

[AnticorRifling]

Transfer to Dunemaul.

Join Serpents Kiss.

HAHA win!

[Parkbandit]

OK, so I had not gotten a chance to do this until recently this last month or so. I cleared it once in a PUG, and didn't think too much about it. Now though, I joined a new guild on a whim thinking I would get to down 25m content on a frequent basis, as my other was still small enough to only do 10m junk, and wouldn't pug extras for 25m.

Anyways, this new guild seems to have trouble getting past Anub. I am almost positive it is our DPS as much as our lack of coordination, but everyone else said DPS was fine...

What kind of raid wide DPS are you guys doing in 25m ToC? I tried looking at some of my screenshots to see the whole DPS, but it wasn't showing. Best I can recall, we were doing approx 58k dps. That's only like 3600 DPS averaged out... Isn't that a bit low?

Do you use two tanks or three? We did three for weeks, and then tonight tried two tanks, and it worked out better somehow, but still didn't get Anub down.

None of the guides or forums really mention the DPS, more then likely cause it does not matter. Or so everyone tells me.

But you gotta beat the enrage timer right? Which means DPS means something... And I keep getting griped out along with a couple other people cause we talk about our DPS or link the recount etc... and raid leader is like, fuck that shit!@ DPS doesn't matter unless the boss is down! Wtf... I mean really.

OH, and do you guys(your raid tanks) use nature resist on helm/cloak? Tankspot I think it was recommended it for OTs especially. And when I asked if they would try it, everyone shot it down and said it doesn't make enough of a difference to count. I don't think I have seen anyone use it in a raid I was in.

Anyhow, surprise surprise, I gquit tonight cause they are all insane. WAY too much asskissing for the raid leader, they had like 2-3 people who would spam guild chat, or raid chat. Had some of the officers that would repeatedly gkick some r-tard, cause he was spamming, then reinvite him a second later, sometimes like 5 + times in a row causing more spam. Raid leader never stopped cussing people out, even if it wasn't their fault, and then would cuss you out if anyone hinted that HE had done something wrong. I mean raid leader doesn't do stuff wrong right? That is impossible. He went on for like 20-30 seconds cussing out the raid cause someone blamed him for not holding aggro... It was crazy. He obviously blamed it on the hunters for not misdirecting or something. And then blamed it on people DPSing too quick etc. Needless to say I got tired of his attitude of "I'll fucking throw your sorry ass dead bodies at Anub all night if I have to, we are taking him down1!, fuck your repair bills! Dont talk to ME about repair bills, I pay 92gajillion G for MYYY repair bills. EVERY FUCKING NIGHT, UPHILL to the repair man!!! Oh, and he would rip us a new one, when one person asked for a flask during raid or said they forgot one, or didn't have the G etc.. Then he asks another pally for symbol of kings cause he ran out. Same raid. I'm going to keep ranting because it is fun, and I am sure you guys need something to read at work. SO. Reallylongparagraph time. Tonight, while we were failing on Anub, after starting an hour late, raidleader fucks with us about our DPS being under par, he knows we can do better etc etc.. Saying we should have Anub down by now, we tried it for 3-4 weeks! What is holding us back, you stupid fucking DPS are! Ima fucking swap servers, my friend offered to pay the transfer, i dont gotta stay with you losers, but I like you guys, so I am staying! He quits the whole raid and leaves, right after I just used my second flask, like 5 minutes in. Waste... I was mad. Yesterday, or the day before I logged on for what was supposed to have been another Anub attempt, but found out it was an Ulduar 25 run which I had been asking for since I joined. Raid leader wasn't doing it cause he don't like Ulduar. But alas here we are, and I join up cause i am stupid that way. We wind up taking 3x as long as we should have to take down leviathan cause he is not leading. Just saying, he doesn't recall shit, someone else do something etc etc. We wipe the first attempt cause they tried hard mode first thing with two towers up, without really recalling wtf is going on. Then we just swap to easy mode alla sudden and take him down really quick. Then he wins a roll on a tank weapon, and then gives it to some random pug guy. When several others in guild could have used it. Myself included. yeah I was pissed. He winds up skipping the fire dude, and the dragon, we goto the walking kiddie robot, take him down, the only piece that drops that i can use/roll on, is an enchanting recipe. Blade ward. It was the last piece, and we get to it, he gives it to some girl in the guild, and moves on. I am like WTF bitch! We didn't roll. Why aren't we rolling? He says well we have a couple pugs, but I wanna make sure it goes to guild, we have been looking for it for a while now. I'm in the guild aren't I? WTF! I ask a couple more times why he didn't say something before the run notifying us about that little loot thing he was going to pull, and someone says he DID say it. Only half of us weren't there to hear it. Then I check on the girl he gave it to. She has enchanting, but she can't even learn the damn thing cause it is not maxed yet. Then he says, don't worry BRO, we get plenty more, there are tons of bosses in Uld. I'm fuming, but go along to the dragon. We wipe like 4 times. I don't recall why. But it was stupid whatever it was. The dragon is easiest thing in there besides leviathan. Then we lose 2 pugs. And so raidleader says FUCK THEM, we can 23 man it. One of the pugs was our top DPS. Then everyone is like no.. get some more. Then He says naw we can do it. Then the top DPS from the guild leaves. Then a few more leave, and then i am fixing to. And someone starts the goddamned fight.1!! So not only do I have a bunch of stupid wipes, I get one totally stupid needless wipe from some dumb fuck who thought it was be funny to waste everyones gold. So we leave Uld, two bosses down. No loot for me, but a large repair bill. THEN tonight, at TOC 25. The top DPS from Ulduar, won't come cause his girlfriend is not coming. She (also happens to be the one raid leader gave enchant to, that cant use it) is not going because one guy from guild said she wasn't pulling her weight. So raid loses two people cause of some stupid personal drama between guildies. Who bails on a whole guild raid, cause of one person, when they are counting on you? Dumb fucks, that's who. People I don't need to be playing with. Anyways I am tired and its already 2LDR, so I going to bed.

By the way, there are no refunds if you actually wasted the time it took to read all that BS. Sorry.

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[g++]

Usually hitting the enrage timer in 25 man normal is because bloodlust was called at a bad time or your not burning the second set of adds during the burrow phase or your spending too much time mopping things up when Anub re-surfaces. Its not a dps race in the traditional sense because those kinds of burns are so hair line that its a gear issue. Its a dps intelligence race you could pretty much kill Anub 25 normal in naxxramas gear if everyone did their job really well and switched perfectly...I mean im on like the worst US server for progression in the game of WoW and I pug toc 25 weekly. Its not a hard raid.

[Celephais]

Methais, you have a new WoW wall of text to use!

[ElvenFury]

Methais, you have a new WoW wall of text to use!

This might be a little too comprehensible for Methais' WoT purposes, so I took the liberty of removing the few paragraph breaks and converting it all to caps:

|OK, SO I HAD NOT GOTTEN A CHANCE TO DO THIS UNTIL RECENTLY THIS LAST MONTH OR SO. I CLEARED IT ONCE IN A PUG, AND DIDN'T THINK TOO MUCH ABOUT IT. NOW THOUGH, I JOINED A NEW GUILD ON A WHIM THINKING I WOULD GET TO DOWN 25M CONTENT ON A FREQUENT BASIS, AS MY OTHER WAS STILL SMALL ENOUGH TO ONLY DO 10M JUNK, AND WOULDN'T PUG EXTRAS FOR 25M. ANYWAYS, THIS NEW GUILD SEEMS TO HAVE TROUBLE GETTING PAST ANUB. I AM ALMOST POSITIVE IT IS OUR DPS AS MUCH AS OUR LACK OF COORDINATION, BUT EVERYONE ELSE SAID DPS WAS FINE... WHAT KIND OF RAID WIDE DPS ARE YOU GUYS DOING IN 25M TOC? I TRIED LOOKING AT SOME OF MY SCREENSHOTS TO SEE THE WHOLE DPS, BUT IT WASN'T SHOWING. BEST I CAN RECALL, WE WERE DOING APPROX 58K DPS. THAT'S ONLY LIKE 3600 DPS AVERAGED OUT... ISN'T THAT A BIT LOW? DO YOU USE TWO TANKS OR THREE? WE DID THREE FOR WEEKS, AND THEN TONIGHT TRIED TWO TANKS, AND IT WORKED OUT BETTER SOMEHOW, BUT STILL DIDN'T GET ANUB DOWN. NONE OF THE GUIDES OR FORUMS REALLY MENTION THE DPS, MORE THEN LIKELY CAUSE IT DOES NOT MATTER. OR SO EVERYONE TELLS ME. BUT YOU GOTTA BEAT THE ENRAGE TIMER RIGHT? WHICH MEANS DPS MEANS SOMETHING... AND I KEEP GETTING GRIPED OUT ALONG WITH A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE CAUSE WE TALK ABOUT OUR DPS OR LINK THE RECOUNT ETC... AND RAID LEADER IS LIKE, FUCK THAT SHIT!@ DPS DOESN'T MATTER UNLESS THE BOSS IS DOWN! WTF... I MEAN REALLY. OH, AND DO YOU GUYS(YOUR RAID TANKS) USE NATURE RESIST ON HELM/CLOAK? TANKSPOT I THINK IT WAS RECOMMENDED IT FOR OTS ESPECIALLY. AND WHEN I ASKED IF THEY WOULD TRY IT, EVERYONE SHOT IT DOWN AND SAID IT DOESN'T MAKE ENOUGH OF A DIFFERENCE TO COUNT. I DON'T THINK I HAVE SEEN ANYONE USE IT IN A RAID I WAS IN. ANYHOW, SURPRISE SURPRISE, I GQUIT TONIGHT CAUSE THEY ARE ALL INSANE. WAY TOO MUCH ASSKISSING FOR THE RAID LEADER, THEY HAD LIKE 2-3 PEOPLE WHO WOULD SPAM GUILD CHAT, OR RAID CHAT. HAD SOME OF THE OFFICERS THAT WOULD REPEATEDLY GKICK SOME R-TARD, CAUSE HE WAS SPAMMING, THEN REINVITE HIM A SECOND LATER, SOMETIMES LIKE 5 + TIMES IN A ROW CAUSING MORE SPAM. RAID LEADER NEVER STOPPED CUSSING PEOPLE OUT, EVEN IF IT WASN'T THEIR FAULT, AND THEN WOULD CUSS YOU OUT IF ANYONE HINTED THAT HE HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG. I MEAN RAID LEADER DOESN'T DO STUFF WRONG RIGHT? THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE. HE WENT ON FOR LIKE 20-30 SECONDS CUSSING OUT THE RAID CAUSE SOMEONE BLAMED HIM FOR NOT HOLDING AGGRO... IT WAS CRAZY. HE OBVIOUSLY BLAMED IT ON THE HUNTERS FOR NOT MISDIRECTING OR SOMETHING. AND THEN BLAMED IT ON PEOPLE DPSING TOO QUICK ETC. NEEDLESS TO SAY I GOT TIRED OF HIS ATTITUDE OF "I'LL FUCKING THROW YOUR SORRY ASS DEAD BODIES AT ANUB ALL NIGHT IF I HAVE TO, WE ARE TAKING HIM DOWN1!, FUCK YOUR REPAIR BILLS! DONT TALK TO ME ABOUT REPAIR BILLS, I PAY 92GAJILLION G FOR MYYY REPAIR BILLS. EVERY FUCKING NIGHT, UPHILL TO THE REPAIR MAN!!! OH, AND HE WOULD RIP US A NEW ONE, WHEN ONE PERSON ASKED FOR A FLASK DURING RAID OR SAID THEY FORGOT ONE, OR DIDN'T HAVE THE G ETC.. THEN HE ASKS ANOTHER PALLY FOR SYMBOL OF KINGS CAUSE HE RAN OUT. SAME RAID. I'M GOING TO KEEP RANTING BECAUSE IT IS FUN, AND I AM SURE YOU GUYS NEED SOMETHING TO READ AT WORK. SO. REALLYLONGPARAGRAPH TIME. TONIGHT, WHILE WE WERE FAILING ON ANUB, AFTER STARTING AN HOUR LATE, RAIDLEADER FUCKS WITH US ABOUT OUR DPS BEING UNDER PAR, HE KNOWS WE CAN DO BETTER ETC ETC.. SAYING WE SHOULD HAVE ANUB DOWN BY NOW, WE TRIED IT FOR 3-4 WEEKS! WHAT IS HOLDING US BACK, YOU STUPID FUCKING DPS ARE! IMA FUCKING SWAP SERVERS, MY FRIEND OFFERED TO PAY THE TRANSFER, I DONT GOTTA STAY WITH YOU LOSERS, BUT I LIKE YOU GUYS, SO I AM STAYING! HE QUITS THE WHOLE RAID AND LEAVES, RIGHT AFTER I JUST USED MY SECOND FLASK, LIKE 5 MINUTES IN. WASTE... I WAS MAD. YESTERDAY, OR THE DAY BEFORE I LOGGED ON FOR WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN ANOTHER ANUB ATTEMPT, BUT FOUND OUT IT WAS AN ULDUAR 25 RUN WHICH I HAD BEEN ASKING FOR SINCE I JOINED. RAID LEADER WASN'T DOING IT CAUSE HE DON'T LIKE ULDUAR. BUT ALAS HERE WE ARE, AND I JOIN UP CAUSE I AM STUPID THAT WAY. WE WIND UP TAKING 3X AS LONG AS WE SHOULD HAVE TO TAKE DOWN LEVIATHAN CAUSE HE IS NOT LEADING. JUST SAYING, HE DOESN'T RECALL SHIT, SOMEONE ELSE DO SOMETHING ETC ETC. WE WIPE THE FIRST ATTEMPT CAUSE THEY TRIED HARD MODE FIRST THING WITH TWO TOWERS UP, WITHOUT REALLY RECALLING WTF IS GOING ON. THEN WE JUST SWAP TO EASY MODE ALLA SUDDEN AND TAKE HIM DOWN REALLY QUICK. THEN HE WINS A ROLL ON A TANK WEAPON, AND THEN GIVES IT TO SOME RANDOM PUG GUY. WHEN SEVERAL OTHERS IN GUILD COULD HAVE USED IT. MYSELF INCLUDED. YEAH I WAS PISSED. HE WINDS UP SKIPPING THE FIRE DUDE, AND THE DRAGON, WE GOTO THE WALKING KIDDIE ROBOT, TAKE HIM DOWN, THE ONLY PIECE THAT DROPS THAT I CAN USE/ROLL ON, IS AN ENCHANTING RECIPE. BLADE WARD. IT WAS THE LAST PIECE, AND WE GET TO IT, HE GIVES IT TO SOME GIRL IN THE GUILD, AND MOVES ON. I AM LIKE WTF BITCH! WE DIDN'T ROLL. WHY AREN'T WE ROLLING? HE SAYS WELL WE HAVE A COUPLE PUGS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE IT GOES TO GUILD, WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR IT FOR A WHILE NOW. I'M IN THE GUILD AREN'T I? WTF! I ASK A COUPLE MORE TIMES WHY HE DIDN'T SAY SOMETHING BEFORE THE RUN NOTIFYING US ABOUT THAT LITTLE LOOT THING HE WAS GOING TO PULL, AND SOMEONE SAYS HE DID SAY IT. ONLY HALF OF US WEREN'T THERE TO HEAR IT. THEN I CHECK ON THE GIRL HE GAVE IT TO. SHE HAS ENCHANTING, BUT SHE CAN'T EVEN LEARN THE DAMN THING CAUSE IT IS NOT MAXED YET. THEN HE SAYS, DON'T WORRY BRO, WE GET PLENTY MORE, THERE ARE TONS OF BOSSES IN ULD. I'M FUMING, BUT GO ALONG TO THE DRAGON. WE WIPE LIKE 4 TIMES. I DON'T RECALL WHY. BUT IT WAS STUPID WHATEVER IT WAS. THE DRAGON IS EASIEST THING IN THERE BESIDES LEVIATHAN. THEN WE LOSE 2 PUGS. AND SO RAIDLEADER SAYS FUCK THEM, WE CAN 23 MAN IT. ONE OF THE PUGS WAS OUR TOP DPS. THEN EVERYONE IS LIKE NO.. GET SOME MORE. THEN HE SAYS NAW WE CAN DO IT. THEN THE TOP DPS FROM THE GUILD LEAVES. THEN A FEW MORE LEAVE, AND THEN I AM FIXING TO. AND SOMEONE STARTS THE GODDAMNED FIGHT.1!! SO NOT ONLY DO I HAVE A BUNCH OF STUPID WIPES, I GET ONE TOTALLY STUPID NEEDLESS WIPE FROM SOME DUMB FUCK WHO THOUGHT IT WAS BE FUNNY TO WASTE EVERYONES GOLD. SO WE LEAVE ULD, TWO BOSSES DOWN. NO LOOT FOR ME, BUT A LARGE REPAIR BILL. THEN TONIGHT, AT TOC 25. THE TOP DPS FROM ULDUAR, WON'T COME CAUSE HIS GIRLFRIEND IS NOT COMING. SHE (ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THE ONE RAID LEADER GAVE ENCHANT TO, THAT CANT USE IT) IS NOT GOING BECAUSE ONE GUY FROM GUILD SAID SHE WASN'T PULLING HER WEIGHT. SO RAID LOSES TWO PEOPLE CAUSE OF SOME STUPID PERSONAL DRAMA BETWEEN GUILDIES. WHO BAILS ON A WHOLE GUILD RAID, CAUSE OF ONE PERSON, WHEN THEY ARE COUNTING ON YOU? DUMB FUCKS, THAT'S WHO. PEOPLE I DON'T NEED TO BE PLAYING WITH. ANYWAYS I AM TIRED AND ITS ALREADY 2LDR, SO I GOING TO BED. BY THE WAY, THERE ARE NO REFUNDS IF YOU ACTUALLY WASTED THE TIME IT TOOK TO READ ALL THAT BS. SORRY.|

[TheEschaton]

AD, dps isn't as vitally important as good positioning, good transitions, and good healing, on Anub.

The more of the big adds you have up, the bigger a problem. You drop two ice patches next to Anub, tank the first two next to Anub so melee can cleave, drop the first two. When the second two pop up, just tank them on ice, make sure they don't burrow, wait til Anub burrows, destroy them, destroy the next two that come up, and all the small ones, while making sure you're running from the tail spike thingy onto some ice.

Rinse repeat. When he gets to his last phase, it's all on the healers, not on dps, you just pop BL and go to town.

-TheE-

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Last phase you should let all the raid except for the tanks drop to about 1/4 health also.

[TheEschaton]

1/2, if your healers aren't pro and don't know how to AOE heal and take assignments.

[Sean of the Thread]

Do you still play my old chars AD?

[g++]

1/2, if your healers aren't pro and don't know how to AOE heal and take assignments.

If your stacked and have a resto shaman and holy paladin just the splash heals will keep everyone up, its better to just not worry about the dps. Lets the aoe heals keep everyone on the brink of death imo, if you lose a dps or two in the process its fine because the health he wont gain is more dps than the two or three "woopsies" would have done anyway.

[AestheticDeath]

Do you still play my old chars AD?

no, i sold them to someone on these boards, so don't go ninja anything bro - not that you would but just saying, someone does play them, under new names I am pretty sure

[Jace Solo]

This is why I quit WOW and play a game where I don't need to rely on anyone else but still get a social aspect...
Yay GS!

[Parkbandit]

If your stacked and have a resto shaman and holy paladin just the splash heals will keep everyone up, its better to just not worry about the dps. Lets the aoe heals keep everyone on the brink of death imo, if you lose a dps or two in the process its fine because the health he wont gain is more dps than the two or three "woopsies" would have done anyway.

We simply use HoTs to keep everyone up.

[AnticorRifling]

and DEATHSTRIKE!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah, usually at that point I'm dropping rejuv on everyone and just letting them tick.

So rumor on my server is that the patch is hitting tomorrow. We'll see. And damnit if I don't need to win one more trophy to have the 4 piece 245 resto set (that will be outdated soon)!

[g++]

Im curious how hard icecrown normal is going to be. If its the last dungeon it should probarbly crush us into oblivion for a while no?

[AnticorRifling]

I'm not impressed with the 4pc DK set I've got 2pc (because that bonus is fucking sexy) and I'm waiting on a damn trinket so I can swap belt and chest with shit I've got in my bank waiting to go.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I still haven't taken down Yogg, Freya or Mirawhatever yet. No hurry here, I just like raiding. I look forward to more raids that I can do that will be challenging. Usually by Saturday I'm all done with Ulduar10/25, ToC10/25 and Ony10/25. Hardly anyone does Naxx anymore (and why would they with HToC) and BC stuff you can forget.

I need to find a guild that isn't so focused on progression - I think that'd be more fun for me.

[TheEschaton]

I hope Icecrown is like, SWP hard, so that if/when I ever get back into raiding, when I inevitably pwn that place ppl will know who they're fucking with.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm not impressed with the 4pc DK set I've got 2pc (because that bonus is fucking sexy) and I'm waiting on a damn trinket so I can swap belt and chest with shit I've got in my bank waiting to go.

Yeah but 4pc resto druid set gives crit hits to rejuv ticks. That is sexy for heals anyway. Next I just need to get the second shard from Ony to have the 250 sp and cauterizing heal bonus for direct heals, mp5 and hp5 too!

Although I do like the trinket I have today for heals so I'll just have to compare the two once I finally get the set.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah the 4pc DK makes frost fever and blood plague have a chance to crit....and they are removing frost fever from that bonus come patch sucks for the people that think it's the bee's knees.

[Some Rogue]

the bee's knees.

Wtf, is Stabbed rubbing off on you?

[Some Rogue]

I still haven't taken down Yogg, Freya or Mirawhatever yet. No hurry here, I just like raiding. I look forward to more raids that I can do that will be challenging. Usually by Saturday I'm all done with Ulduar10/25, ToC10/25 and Ony10/25. Hardly anyone does Naxx anymore (and why would they with HToC) and BC stuff you can forget.

I need to find a guild that isn't so focused on progression - I think that'd be more fun for me.

That would be my guild heh. (Though they haven't downed Yogg yet either)

And come next patch there's gonna be weekly raid quests so you can at least kill a couple of bosses in Naxx for the quest.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

My guild has downed Yogg and we are on to Uld hardmodes now to get to Alganon, I'm just not around at prime raiding time for them (most are in Australia) so haven't done those yet.

I just enjoy the social aspect of raiding is all.

* edit: And the sexy accents of some of the Australia women

[TheEschaton]

I'm too competitive a person to like fail, or even "not near the top" raiding, yet I, myself, am fail.

Interesting.

[AnticorRifling]

We call that the brown complex. :)

[Some Rogue]

So you like being carried. Got it. You and Stabbed are a lot alike.

[TheEschaton]

Nah, I'm better than 95% of the server, but I consider myself fail that I can't hold my own with the top 1%. ;)

And AR, you're gonna burn.

[AestheticDeath]

wowhead database (http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=qu=3:4;minle=200;maxle=245;si=-2;ub=6;cr=20:42;crs=1:4;crv=0:0;gb=1;gm=3;wt=134:2 0:114:119:117:96:103:21:77:41;wtv=9.89:2.89:2.75:2 .51:2.47:1.56:1.5:1.37:1:0.03)

Someone help me with this thing? Im trying to see what gear options I have, but this is listing only items from like 25TOC for the most part. How do I get it to list things from 5man TOC, Ulduar etc?

Setting it for DK dps gear. Blood spec in this case for the stat weights etc..

[Some Rogue]

Change it to Horde instead of Horde Only.

[AestheticDeath]

Ahh, thank you.

[RichardCranium]

I'm here to save your thread.

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