Let's talk TV (IE I want to buy a new one)

[AnticorRifling]

Ok I'm looking at getting a new flat screen for the living room. I would like a 46-52" 1080p (duh). What else should I be looking for. I've always been a fan of Samsung but I'm not opposed to other brands if you can convince me...hell I think my 55" upstairs is a Hitachi.

I've been told to shy away from Plasma because of burn out and life expectancy, is there truth to this?

If I can get a warm fuzzy on one I might score it today before the wife can change her mind and since it's cyber Monday I might get a decent deal.

I'll probably wall mount this puppy.

I don't have a blue ray nor do I plan on getting one in the near future.


Thoughts, suggestions, input, etc. GO!

[Sean of the Thread]

Why didn't you ask week when I had a 60% discount. Slacker.

[Parkbandit]

We just bought a big Vizio and couldn't be happier with it. 5 fucking HDMI outlets on it! Crystal clear picture and easy as hell to mount to the wall (actually, we purchased a sweet entertainment system that it mounts to)

I've had a smaller 36" Vizio for a couple years now and it's still just as clear as it was on Day 1.

[Kuyuk]

Life expectancy on plasma is like 60,000 hours.

If you had your TV on for 8 hours straight each day, thats 7500 days, or 20 years.

you should be fine.

(if you bought a $1700 plasma http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889187122&cm_re=plasma-_-89-187-122-_-Product , and worked it as mentioned above, it would only cost .23 a day to have!)

[AnticorRifling]

Ahh that being said I wouldn't be opposed to something like this:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05775139000P?vName=Computers+%26+Ele ctronics&cName=Televisions&sName=Flat+Panel

50" Samsung Plasma for 900...

[Parkbandit]

That's a pretty sweet price on a plasma.

I prefer LCD.. but there are just as many people who prefer plasma.

I would go to Best Buy or some other store that has tons of different TVs hooked up and look for your own personal preference.

[Mogonis]

I've never been impressed by plasma panels. Go with an LED-lit LCD TV.

You can't go wrong with the higher-end Sony Bravia sets.

[Kuyuk]

nevermind, I didnt scroll down

[AnticorRifling]

I think the LED-LCDs are a touch out of my price range at the moment.

However, I did look at the Sony Bravia line and I think I found a 46" LCD (Model# KDL46V5100) that I like. Middle of the road price wise, and it should work nicely for my living room. I'll snag a wall mount and get to it. I've already got my speakers in the appropriate places I'll just need to do a bit of wire running and I'm set.

Now to get wife approval....

[Parkbandit]

Now to get wife approval....

If you need me to talk to her, I will.

Let me know.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm getting her permission to buy a TV not a case of prunes or a carton of fiber wafers.

[Xaerve]

Highly recommend samsung, for what its worth.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah I just bought a new samsung monitor for my desktop not too long ago and love it. But as I'm reading I see most places/people site them as second fiddle to Sony.

[Ashliana]

I've been using a Sharp 52" LC52D85U (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001E91OCO/ref=oss_T15_product) since February, which I am utterly pleased with. Surprisingly, it's like $400 more now than when I paid for mine.

I've seen them for as low as $1,199.

Sony Bravias used to be the top-of-the-line, but had an enormous price premium that wasn't worth the extra mile Sony went. These days, they've gone down in quality a lot compared to the others (the others improved), and Samsung is generally considered the best, if you read the enthusiast forums like AVSForum. I personally like Sharp the best.

Not buying another TV, though, until the OLEDs start taking over. I saw Sony's 13" OLED a few weeks ago.. they really are incredible.

Edit: You can get Blu-ray players pretty cheaply now--WalMart was selling them for $79.99 this past Friday. Many do a decent job of upscaling normal DVDs--they'll look somewhat better than a plain, non-upscaling DVD player would look on your new TV. Bigger the TV, bigger the difference you'll see between Blu-ray and DVD.

[Androidpk]

I'm getting her permission...

You're doing it wrong.

[AnticorRifling]

You're doing it wrong.

HAHA I know I know. But the DLP upstairs showed up at the house one day and that was fun to explain. I figured I'd try this route.

[ElvenFury]

When she says, "No way", be sure to point out that that's exactly why you didn't ask before the DLP.

[Doughboy]

Without reading the whole thread....

You should buy a plasma if you have the right room for it, the same goes for an LCD. I believe the LCD's are better for most daytime viewing and in rooms that have more ambient light. Plasma's are great in rooms that you can control the light. The viewing angle is better for a plasma. LCD's use less power. LCD's are usually preferred for gaming because they don't have the burn in issue, although newer plasma's don't really suffer from this all that much. But if you have the coin, buy an LED man. I picked one up a few months ago and it is stupid sweet.

That being said, in my house I have:

1 Samsung Plasma
1 Samsung LED
3 Toshiba LCD's
and one older Sony rear projection LCD

The LED is sweet tits man. But the LCD's are far better in the brighter rooms that I have down here.

[Androidpk]

HAHA I know I know. But the DLP upstairs showed up at the house one day and that was fun to explain. I figured I'd try this route.

Oh I bet, what did you tell her? Haha

[AnticorRifling]

I said "Wow that thing is cool, we should probably just go ahead and keep it." I don't think she believed that I didn't know how it got delivered to our house...

[Androidpk]

When I was stationed at Langley my boss put in an order for a 30" apple cinema display, for some unknown reason Apple decided to send us 2 of them, even though we only paid for 1. I was sooo tempted to bring that home with me. :)

[Stunseed]

Doughboy hit one of the main issues right on the head, which is lighting.

Shelf life has improved considerably as the manufacturers fine tune things. Samsung is a decent brand, and the main reason why they play second-fiddle to Sony is because most of the "decent" Sony TVs automatically come at 120hz, compared to only the upper side of Samsung. Be very careful of the model numbers/series sets when shopping.

1. Size
2. Processor/refresh rate ( don't know if the 240hz have dropped into your range, 120 yes 60 NO )
3. Clarity - in Plasmas, you can get TVs so powerful the current meter to measure black is broken, Pioneer Elite is mad sexy here, Samsung has a few plasmas. LCDs, it just takes a bit of research to find a medium. 50k:1 is prolly where I'd aim for.
4. Toys - Most have USB inputs to make slideshows, hit music if you wanted, etc. I know the earlier Samsung series would give you USA Today on your TV for life with the use of a Bridge.

The rest is price and likes/dislikes. I'd look at a Samsung SN46 or SN52A760/770/780 depending on $$$$. Pay 500 more or so for the 8 series because it's 2 inches thin, but I'm not impressed by that.

[AnticorRifling]

Doughboy hit one of the main issues right on the head, which is lighting.

Shelf life has improved considerably as the manufacturers fine tune things. Samsung is a decent brand, and the main reason why they play second-fiddle to Sony is because most of the "decent" Sony TVs automatically come at 120hz, compared to only the upper side of Samsung. Be very careful of the model numbers/series sets when shopping.

1. Size
2. Processor/refresh rate ( don't know if the 240hz have dropped into your range, 120 yes 60 NO )
3. Clarity - in Plasmas, you can get TVs so powerful the current meter to measure black is broken, Pioneer Elite is mad sexy here, Samsung has a few plasmas. LCDs, it just takes a bit of research to find a medium. 50k:1 is prolly where I'd aim for.
4. Toys - Most have USB inputs to make slideshows, hit music if you wanted, etc. I know the earlier Samsung series would give you USA Today on your TV for life with the use of a Bridge.

The rest is price and likes/dislikes. I'd look at a Samsung SN46 or SN52A760/770/780 depending on $$$$. Pay 500 more or so for the 8 series because it's 2 inches thin, but I'm not impressed by that.

1) I really want something 46" - 52" because of the size of the room I'm putting it in.

2) 120 at the lowest for me

3) 50k:1 also the lowest I wanted to go

4) Toys - I don't give a damn, I want to watch movies.

Lighting I'm good on in the room, mostly watch at night anyway + I've goot good blinds.

I'm thinking that Sony I listed (KDL46V5100) hits every one of my benchmarks. I'll look into those Samsung models you mentioned as well.

[Ashliana]

Higher-than-realistically-beneficial refresh rate and contrast ratios are only touted because of manufacturers competing to have the highest numbers to impress uninformed consumers, and to have something to justify their TVs not simply becoming commodity priced based on size.

Just like Panasonic touting (http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-1080p-Plasma-Anti-Reflectiv/dp/B001L3CH56/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1259607659&sr=8-1) their plasma refresh rates being 480Hz, even though motion blur was never a major problem on plasma displays.

Same thing with response time; it stopped mattering for gaming purposes a long time ago, and yet people go on and on about how "No, this TV has 4ms response time! That's way better than your 8ms response time TV!"

Anandtech did an article on it awhile ago, there being basically no significant delay even on a high-quality 16ms (http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2467) display several years ago.

Contrast ratios will have zero meaning once OLEDs displace LCDs and plasma. They're not backlighted; their black level is literally zero, black. So their "contrast ratio" is listed at 1,000,000:1 or something equally ridiculous.

As for viewing angle--despite what the tech specs say, you should go check out a Big Screen Store/Tweeter/BestBuy/etc for the model you're interested in and see if it meets the needs of the room you'll be putting it in.

Edit: A lot of people mistake the effect that 120Hz+ TVs have, with dejuddering processing which almost always goes hand-in-hand with 120Hz TVs. They are very different things. The actual impact that 120Hz has is very, very different than dejuddering processing. I specifically picked my Sharp 52" 120Hz because it has 120Hz processing without dejuddering.

Dejuddering removes the cinematic smooth quality movies have and makes everything seem like a shaky shit-fest that was recorded with a camcorder.

[Androidpk]

Wait..

You want a large sized 1080p tv to watch movies on but you don't have bluray and aren't interested in getting it??

[AnticorRifling]

Not interested might have been a bit over stated. I will get one eventually.

Generally I watch movies via on demand.

[Stunseed]

On demand has 1080p selections. Make it happen, Cap'n.

< Dejuddering removes the cinematic smooth quality movies have and makes everything seem like a shaky shit-fest that was recorded with a camcorder. >

Hence my recommendations. Granted, I am a year removed from it, but sitting in front of millions of dollars of TVs, there IS differences, Anandtech articles aside.

< As for viewing angle--despite what the tech specs say, you should go check out a Big Screen Store/Tweeter/BestBuy/etc for the model you're interested in and see if it meets the needs of the room you'll be putting it in. >

As a former employee, good luck finding a Tweeter/Soundco :)

[Doughboy]

BTW, the whole black meter thing, 50,000 : 1 contrast ratio shit is all BS. Each manufacturer measures it differently. There is no scale that they all use across the board. It's mostly all a marketing ploy. People see the bigger number and instantly assume thats the better shit. Make SURE you look at the set in person to compare it if possible.

Edited to add: I could sit here all day and give you shit about the TV's. I go through a bunch of them because I love having cool shit that I shouldn't buy... Luckily I use them at work, A LOT. The best advice anybody can give you is what I said above about checking it out in person. Don't go by just the specs.

[Archigeek]

I just set myself up with a system similar to what you're looking for and it kicks butt. With TV's, you get what you pay for. You can get a 50" cheap one, or you can get a 50" good one.

I did a ton of research, on CNET and other places, and went with a Panasonic G10 plasma, 50" variety. CNET rates it pretty much the highest in the reasonable price range. What's good about the G10? It's especially good if you like to watch movies, because it has a THX feature, so you can set the thing to THX and the colors will be exactly as they would be in the theater. This is especially nice for a dark room. If the room isn't dark, change the setting. Other than that it has all the other features you want in a TV that size: wide viewing angle, very high resolution, and the best quality black colors, which is one of the weak points of LED sets. It's also web enabled.

Now, when you get around to buying that blu ray player you're putting off, get yourself an LG model BD390. It's web-enabled and wifi capable, and set up to download movies direct from Netflix. It has a huge buffer and lightning fast loading speed. In short, it kicks ass. It costs more than the $125 one you can get at Walmart, but it is 10x better in just about every way. If you want aggrivation, get yourself a cheap blu ray player, and experience slow uploads and lousy control, without the goodies listed above.

[Celephais]

I'd have a hard time suggesting a standalone bluray player that costs $350 rather then suggest they get a PS3, at least to someone who would possibly play games (although I might suggest they get the PS3 remote over using a controller if they want to look a little more professional).

[Sean]

We just bought a big Vizio and couldn't be happier with it. 5 fucking HDMI outlets on it! Crystal clear picture and easy as hell to mount to the wall (actually, we purchased a sweet entertainment system that it mounts to)

I've had a smaller 36" Vizio for a couple years now and it's still just as clear as it was on Day 1.

I've had my 37" vizio since 06 and I love it and it's still going strong. My mom recently got one though and I didn't like that they changed from 1 model per size with all the perks to several. Her version just seems stripped down and operates slower

[Archigeek]

One other thing. If you're in a store, ask to see the TV's you're interested in, in normal viewing mode, instead of the amped up brightness that they use to try to sell you TV's. At first you'll think it isn't as good, but that's just because you see it in the store and think bright = good. That isn't really the case. The over-bright settings they use in the store just aren't natural, and after a while become disconcerting.

Also, ask to see the remote, and play around with it a bit and check out the on-screen control panel. A lousy control panel that's poorly designed can frustrate you to no end.

One last thing that I ran into with my old set, which was a Sharp Aquos LED: for whatever reason, they changed channels slowly. As a chronic channel surfer, I didn't like that at all.

CNET will give you tons of info on TVs and blu rays too, as well as receivers... which is the next thing you should get if you like to watch movies. A good receiver with 5 way surround sound and a subwoofer will knock your socks off. I recommend going to TSC for the speakers, and getting the wires online too, and stay away from monster's over-priced gold plated HDMI cables. You can get just as good cabling cheaper.

[Methais]

I recommend going to TSC for the speakers

You ask, "Can I get some speakers please?"

Speakerpuff meditates over you.
A badass 5 way surround sound speaker set appears in your hands. Neat!

[The Ponzzz]

When I had my Panasonic plasma fixed, they stated that Samsung LCDs were a nightmare once they started having issues. Now this was 2 years ago, but, it's something to consider.

Just make sure you get a lot of HDMI slots on the TV. I have 2, and it is a royal pain in the ass.

[Celephais]

Just make sure you get a lot of HDMI slots on the TV. I have 2, and it is a royal pain in the ass.
Or a good AV receiver. I do agree w/ you that 2 is not enough, but one on the TV is fine if you have an AV receiver w/ plenty.

Don't skimp on your audio setup either, built in speakers just letdown an otherwise phenominal entertainment system.

[NocturnalRob]

Sharp Aquos. That's all you need to know.

And Vizios are shit.

[Archigeek]

Sharp Aquos. That's all you need to know.

And Vizios are shit.

Sharp Aquos... lasted a measley 3 years before the backlight went, and hated the channel flipping speed. Sharp Aquos = POS in my book.

[pabstblueribbon]

I dunno why LCoS isnt more popular. I know Phillps abandoned it but.. the model (I think it was a Sony) I saw on display blew away everything in there as far as clarity goes..

65 inches. Check. 1080p. Check. 1800 dollar price tag? Check.

http://www.amazon.com/Olevia-565H-65-Inch-1080p-Projection/dp/B000TYIVMQ/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1259625881&sr=1-8

Not that this is a great set. I have no idea.. I just wonder why LCoS was abandoned.

EDIT: After I researched it a bit I noticed that its not totally abandoned, all your $5000+ projectors use it.. wtf. I smell a conspiracy.

[NocturnalRob]

Sharp Aquos... lasted a measley 3 years before the backlight went, and hated the channel flipping speed. Sharp Aquos = POS in my book.

Then you must have bought a shitty model or gotten it used. I've had mine for 2 years and have had zero problems. Picture quality is amazing, and the blowjobs are top-notch. Stop bad-mouthing Aquos!!

[Archigeek]

Then you must have bought a shitty model or gotten it used. I've had mine for 2 years and have had zero problems. Picture quality is amazing, and the blowjobs are top-notch. Stop bad-mouthing Aquos!!

Wait till year three and it all goes to hell and she takes her teeth out of the glass on the nightstand and puts them back in!

The backlight problem is a well known problem with Sharp Aquos TVs. Plug "sharp aquos backlight" into google and you'll see. There's apparently a sensor somewhere that tells it to shut the backlight off, sensing a problem that isn't there. You can fix it if you're willing to take the back off the TV and do a bunch of stuff. Hiring a pro to fix it will cost you more than the TV is worth probably, unless it's a very big TV.

[Celephais]

Plug "sharp aquos backlight" into google and you'll see.
This is a really poor method of not only backing up what you're saying, but of making a point in general.

All products have problems, just because you can find instances of people having problems doesn't mean it's that widespread.

Additionally:
sharp aquos tv problems - 235k results
vizio tv problems - 386k results

[NocturnalRob]

vizio tv problems - 386k results

And Vizios are shit.
yup

[Geshron]

I have a 40" Bravia, 2008 model. It's glorious, I still would end up getting this one in the comparable range. Happy shopping, this is a true highlight of being a man/consumer.

[Archigeek]

This is a really poor method of not only backing up what you're saying, but of making a point in general.

All products have problems, just because you can find instances of people having problems doesn't mean it's that widespread.

Additionally:
sharp aquos tv problems - 235k results
vizio tv problems - 386k results

Except I'm not just finding instances of people having problems. I had this problem personally. Both of the ones I sighted: the backlight problem and the slow channel surfing problem. If you don't have any problems with yours, more power to you. I'd hope they've sorted the problem out and improved their product. I was never unsatisfied with the picture, though my new Panasonic has a better picture, (I'd guess that in the 4 years since I bought that Sharp, their picture quality has improved).

But in any case, do some objective research. Go to CNET and see what their experts have to say.

[Celephais]

But in any case, do some objective research.
... right, like googling.

[TheEschaton]

I've never had problems with my Panasonics, but I don't know much about tv formats etc.

[Archigeek]

... right, like googling.

Sure, quote half of what I said and leave the part about CNET off. You must be really attached to your Sharp Aquos. Enjoy it sunshine!

[Bobmuhthol]

Not about to read 60 posts about TVs, but here's the advice:

TVs 32" and under: Samsung LCD or LED depending on budget
TVs 37" and over: Samsung LCD or LED depending on budget

Problem solved.

[Gan]

I think the LED-LCDs are a touch out of my price range at the moment.

However, I did look at the Sony Bravia line and I think I found a 46" LCD (Model# KDL46V5100) that I like. Middle of the road price wise, and it should work nicely for my living room. I'll snag a wall mount and get to it. I've already got my speakers in the appropriate places I'll just need to do a bit of wire running and I'm set.

Now to get wife approval....

I agree with the Bravia line. If I dont go LED/LCD when buying this spring then I'm going with the Bravia line along with a new surround sound system. 2010 is the year of upgrading the toys for me. :)

[Drevihyin]

If you take any stock in the independent reviews panasonic probally has the best plasma out there for under $800.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p42s1/4505-6482_7-33490462.html

[AnticorRifling]

Still shopping around. I don't have to be in a super big hurry, I've got a feeling that prices are going to stay resonable in this area. I would like something before family get togethers towards the end of Dec. though.

[Archigeek]

Last thing I'll say on the subject: CNET.

Go there, research what it is you want, and buy the best quality you can afford in your price range. There are other sites for researching as well, but I don't know of any other site that is as objective or as easy to use to compare various products.

One last thing: if you buy online. Check the seller on some of the various retailer rating sites. I think there's actually one called retailratings.com or something. This can save you some ulcers while you're waiting for your $1,300 TV to show up.

Also, on the Panasonics if you decide to go that route, the G10 and G15 are basically the same thing, except the G15 is almost 2" thinner. The G15 is much harder to find though. It will run you a few $'s more.

[Smythe]

An' not a single wireless HDMI mention?

WTF? Price? Or sumpin' else?

- Smythe

[Marl]

keep an eye out for deals on this site

http://slickdeals.net/

[Bobmuhthol]

Call me crazy but I'd take a 46" LCD over WiReLeSs HdMi any day.

[BigWorm]

An' not a single wireless HDMI mention?

WTF? Price? Or sumpin' else?

- Smythe

I have little to no use for wireless HDMI and I don't expect many other people do either.

[Smythe]

Huh. An' here I was thinkin' not havin' ta run cables was a good thing.

- Smythe

[RichardCranium]

I haven't read through the thread yet but number one, get a Samsung. Number two, get the highest contrast ratio you can afford. Everything else is just bonus.

[RichardCranium]

Oh yeah, number three get a an LCD.

[RichardCranium]

I'd go with this:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+46%22+Class+/+1080p+/+60Hz+/+LCD+HDTV/9548769.p?id=1218122908352&skuId=9548769

[Smythe]

At 60 Hz? Isn't 120 a minimal refresh rate ta limit motion flutter?

I'm wit' AR, lookin' 'round is why I'm askin'.

- Smythe

[Bobmuhthol]

I wouldn't go with it. Unless you really wanted a 46" for $900. The B500 isn't a superfly model.

However, 60 Hz is just fine. I like 120 Hz displays but I also recognize that humans can't see above 60 Hz.

Having said that, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+46%22+Class+/+1080p+/+120Hz++/+LCD+HDTV/9293506.p?skuId=9293506&id=1218076081627

[Athgo]

I'd check out this site too...I bought my TV from a deal found on there.

http://dealnews.com/categories/Electronics/Televisions/159.html?iref=dnhd

[Smythe]

Agree humans can' see anythin' static refreshin' at 60 Hz.

But humans can see chunks o' screen flutter when motion sequences aren' lined up because o' 60 Hz refresh. Noticed it myself when I was scopin' in Fry's. Don' see no difference 'tween 120 and 240.

- Smythe

[Doughboy]

Jesus Christ, can't you type like a normal human being? That shit is irritating.

[BigWorm]

I wouldn't go with it. Unless you really wanted a 46" for $900. The B500 isn't a superfly model.

However, 60 Hz is just fine. I like 120 Hz displays but I also recognize that humans can't see above 60 Hz.

Having said that, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+46%22+Class+/+1080p+/+120Hz++/+LCD+HDTV/9293506.p?skuId=9293506&id=1218076081627

It's not about the raw speed of the refresh rate, its about frame rates.

60 / 24 is NOT an integer, while 120 / 24 most certainly is. This is why 240 Hz isn't a big deal.

[Smythe]

Yah, irritatin' in da same way we blame others fer our inferiorities, irritatin' in da same way we say WTF, !!!one1! an' all da other shit we tolerate. Too bad some pergs can' just accept things as they is.

Don' matter none, I'm jes interested in da TV discussion. Thanks fer yer shit, tho. I'm sure lotsa other fewkin' pergs'll agree. I'm gettin' what I need, so don' matter none.

- Smythe

[Celephais]

Yah, irritatin' in da same way we blame others fer our inferiorities, irritatin' in da same way we say WTF, !!!one1! an' all da other shit we tolerate. Too bad some pergs can' just accept things as they is.

Don' matter none, I'm jes interested in da TV discussion. Thanks fer yer shit, tho. I'm sure lotsa other fewkin' pergs'll agree. I'm gettin' what I need, so don' matter none.

- Smythe
Why don't you have yourself a big old mug of shut the fuck up.

[ElvenFury]

Why don't you have yourself a big old mug of shut the fuck up.
:rofl: I wish I hadn't just repped you in that other thread, because I really want to rep this.

[Parkbandit]

Agree humans can' see anythin' static refreshin' at 60 Hz.

But humans can see chunks o' screen flutter when motion sequences aren' lined up because o' 60 Hz refresh. Noticed it myself when I was scopin' in Fry's. Don' see no difference 'tween 120 and 240.

- Smythe

Are you really attempting to roleplay on an internet forum.. to talk about TVs?

[EasternBrand]

Agree humans can' see anythin' static refreshin' at 60 Hz.

But humans can see chunks o' screen flutter when motion sequences aren' lined up because o' 60 Hz refresh. Noticed it myself when I was scopin' in Fry's. Don' see no difference 'tween 120 and 240.

- Smythe


Yah, irritatin' in da same way we blame others fer our inferiorities, irritatin' in da same way we say WTF, !!!one1! an' all da other shit we tolerate. Too bad some pergs can' just accept things as they is.

Don' matter none, I'm jes interested in da TV discussion. Thanks fer yer shit, tho. I'm sure lotsa other fewkin' pergs'll agree. I'm gettin' what I need, so don' matter none.

- Smythe

Ey Smyff, 'ere's a pro-tip fer ya: ya otta change dat "myself" to "meself," 'cause it sounds more like da Dwarf or somethin' you are 'temptin' to imitate. Also, why is you droppin' the "t" in a contraction, ey? It makes it more difficul' t'unnerstan', yan'o w''t ' m'''?

Oh, also, you probably should have put forth the caveat that while Humans and Dwarves may not be able to tell the difference between 120 and 240, it's a well-known fact that the sharp-eyed Elven races can DEFINITELY tell the difference. Everyone here--myself included--clearly appreciates your in-character perspective, but you need to at least study the documentation and get your facts right.

[Smythe]

Heh. Fact, tho'. I don' make no ignoramus points about alla fewkin' PTB LOL WTF ORLY stuff. You'ns need to get perspective. Too hard fer ya ta read? Pass it by, no sweat off my nuts. Ain' fer yer enjoyment no how.

And 'nother fact, fer those what need a bit more focus:


2. Not as good at tracking motion (fast moving objects may exhibit lag artifacts) - However, this is improving with the recent implementation of 120Hz screen refresh rates and 240Hz processing in higher-end LCD sets.

http://hometheater.about.com/od/lcdtvfaqs/f/lcdfaq2.htm

- Smythe

[Stanley Burrell]

All I can add is that now's the time to buy an HDTV, as prices seem to have dropped quite a bit for the holidays (~25% overall, iirc.)

[Bobmuhthol]

It's always the time to buy. The price drop now is a reflection of how long they've been around; new technologies are coming. Now's the time to save up for OLED, etc.

[AnticorRifling]

I don't need to be bleeding edge though, LCD is fine for me for the next few years. It's just narrowing down what I want to get.

[AnticorRifling]

An' not a single wireless HDMI mention?

WTF? Price? Or sumpin' else?

- Smythe
Weren't you using the fact that "other people" use WTF1!one as the basis of your "It's ok I type like a bear smacking salmon out of a stream when I slap my keyboard" rebuttal?

[Stanley Burrell]

It's always the time to buy. The price drop now is a reflection of how long they've been around; new technologies are coming. Now's the time to save up for OLED, etc.

You're right.

[Ashliana]

It's always the time to buy. The price drop now is a reflection of how long they've been around; new technologies are coming. Now's the time to save up for OLED, etc.

Needs more OLED 3DTVs, pl0x. The kind you don't need glasses for.