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Drew
11-23-2009, 01:43 AM
Conscious man 'in coma' for 23 years
A Belgian man diagnosed as being in a coma for 23 years was actually conscious the whole time.


By Allan Hall in Berlin
Published: 6:30AM GMT 23 Nov 2009

Rom Houbens was simply paralysed and had no way to let doctors caring for him what he was suffering.

"I dreamt myself away," says Houben, now 46, who was misdiagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state after a car crash.

Doctors and nurses in Zolder deemed him a hopeless case whereby his consciousness was considered "extinct".

The former martial arts enthusiast and engineering student was paralysed after a car crash in 1983. He was finally correctly diagnosed three years ago and his case has just come to light in a scientific paper released by the man who "saved" him.

Doctors treating him regularly examined him using the worldwide Glasgow Coma Scale which judges a patient according to eye, verbal and motor responses.

During every examination he was graded incorrectly. And so he suffered in silence, unable to communicate to his parents, his carers or the friends who came to his bedside that he was awake and aware at all times what was happening in his room.

Only the re-evaluation of his case at the University of Liege brought to light that Houben was only paralysed all these years. Hi-tech scans showed his brain was still functioning almost completely normally.

Therapy has now enabled him to tap out messages on a computer screen and he has a special device above his bed enabling him to read books while lying down.

When he woke up after the accident he had lost control of his body, "I screamed, but there was nothing to hear," he says.

"I became a witness to my own suffering as doctors and nurses tried to speak with me until they gave up all hope.

"I shall never forget the day when they discovered what was truly wrong with me – it was my second birth. All that time I just literally dreamed of a better life. Frustration is too small a word to describe what I felt."

The neurologist Steven Laureys who led the re-examination of Houben, published a study two months ago claiming vegetative state diagnosed patients are often misdiagnosed.

"Anyone who bears the stamp of 'unconscious' just one time hardly ever gets rid of it again," he said.

Laureys, who leads the Coma Science Group and Department of Neurology at Liege University Hospital, discovered how Houbens' brain was still working using state-of-the-art imaging. He now intends to use the case of Houbens to highlight what he considers may be many more similar examples of misdiagnosis around the world.

He said: "In Germany alone each year some 100,000 people suffer from severe traumatic brain injury. About 20,000 are followed by a coma of three weeks or longer. Some of them die, others regain health. But an estimated 3000 to 5000 people a year, remain trapped in an intermediate stage: they go on living without ever come back again."

Houbens remains in constant care at a facility near Brussels.

Wow, spending 23 years like that, it's almost impossible to imagine. What torture that must have been.

Reawing
11-23-2009, 01:46 AM
My first words to them would have been, "kill me. Please, kill me."

-Reawing

Celephais
11-23-2009, 01:46 AM
That was painful to read... I couldn't imagine this happening to a loved one... that's horrific.

I'd be amazed if he came out of it without some sort of mental harm caused to him, it would take some unfathomable forititude of mind.

Nilandia
11-23-2009, 01:54 AM
I couldn't begin to think of what I would do in that sort of situation.

Reminds me of a book I read for a class called Johnny Got His Gun, in which a soldier is torn apart by a land mine. He loses his arms, legs, face, and everything except his mind, and it's a struggle just to determine the passage of time. After a long time he learns to communicate by tapping out morse code onto his pillow with his head, but when he asks to be showed to people as a reminder of war, he's 'shut up' with a sedative.

You'd hope that things like that don't happen with the progress we've made in medicine, but I guess it does.

Gretchen

Latrinsorm
11-23-2009, 02:01 AM
It makes me think: what's the experience like in an actual coma? Better? Worse? My guess is pretty crummy either way, and I hereby resolve to never experience severe brain trauma in Belgium.

Fallen
11-23-2009, 02:09 AM
I couldn't begin to think of what I would do in that sort of situation.

Reminds me of a book I read for a class called Johnny Got His Gun, in which a soldier is torn apart by a land mine. He loses his arms, legs, face, and everything except his mind, and it's a struggle just to determine the passage of time. After a long time he learns to communicate by tapping out morse code onto his pillow with his head, but when he asks to be showed to people as a reminder of war, he's 'shut up' with a sedative.

You'd hope that things like that don't happen with the progress we've made in medicine, but I guess it does.

Gretchen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzgGTTtR0kc

Tisket
11-23-2009, 02:20 AM
Christ on crutches.

Nilandia
11-23-2009, 02:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzgGTTtR0kc

Yes, I just discovered the connection between the two a couple days ago. The lyrics make a lot more sense now, but are even more depressing.

Gretchen

Guarrin
11-23-2009, 02:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzgGTTtR0kc

God damn, Metallica rocked. Fucking Lars.

Androidpk
11-23-2009, 02:25 AM
Creepy.

Reminds me of one of my favorite horror movies, of which I love to plug.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jQ-tC801-c

Sean of the Thread
11-23-2009, 04:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzgGTTtR0kc


First thing that came to my mind as well.

AestheticDeath
11-23-2009, 04:40 AM
Man that movie was freaky.

AestheticLife
11-23-2009, 06:02 AM
Man that movie was freaky.

I found it rather pleasant.

Asha
11-23-2009, 07:19 AM
looks tossballs.

Drew
11-23-2009, 09:33 AM
It makes me think: what's the experience like in an actual coma? Better? Worse? My guess is pretty crummy either way, and I hereby resolve to never experience severe brain trauma in Belgium.

I've always just assumed it's similar to dreaming. In which case I don't think you have enough awareness to actually determine if it's pleasant or not until you "wake up".

Tisket
11-23-2009, 12:08 PM
I think this case is the strongest evidence yet to prove that telepathy and other theoretical mind powers are not possible.

If they did I think this guy would have set fire to his bed long ago.

Kuyuk
11-23-2009, 12:21 PM
fucking Fallen C&P the link before I got finished with the article.

First thing I did was open youtube and copy the link, then read all the replies, and saw that they stole my linkage spotlight. bastard!

Kuyuk
11-23-2009, 12:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzFpg271sm8

Kuyuk
11-23-2009, 12:26 PM
I think this case is the strongest evidence yet to prove that telepathy and other theoretical mind powers are not possible.

If they did I think this guy would have set fire to his bed long ago.



The force was not strong with him :(

:laser:

Suppa Hobbit Mage
11-23-2009, 04:22 PM
I would think you'd go insane... my assumption is his eyes didn't work at all (since he didn't pass the tests) - so he just sat there and thought for 23 years.

I wonder what he thought about.

Some Rogue
11-23-2009, 04:23 PM
What the nurse looked like without any clothes on?

AnticorRifling
11-23-2009, 04:25 PM
What the nurse looked like without any clothes on?

Eww

http://sungkang.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/nurse_joker.jpg

TheEschaton
11-23-2009, 04:47 PM
LOL, if I ever visited him, I'd be recounting if I ever talked shit about anyone or anything.

Drew
11-23-2009, 09:54 PM
I would think you'd go insane... my assumption is his eyes didn't work at all (since he didn't pass the tests) - so he just sat there and thought for 23 years.

I wonder what he thought about.

I think his eyes worked he just had no control over them.

Koq
11-24-2009, 01:17 AM
Meh... I think this guy has some valid points:

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/783-this-cruel-farce-has-to-stop.html

4a6c1
11-24-2009, 02:00 PM
My husband was in a coma. When he woke up he seemed to have lost time. Didnt remember the car crash or the day of the crash. He never recovered any memories of the coma or what caused it. While he was in a coma he was a complete vegetable. Breathing machine. No neurological function, body, eye...nothing.

I have minimal medical experience but I understood that there was a complete shutdown. I just dont understand a doctor confusing vegetative with someone who is concious.

Revalos
11-25-2009, 07:29 AM
Seems that word is getting around that this may been all a "facilitated communication" scam.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34132340/ns/health-health_care/