Beautiful

[crb]

Special thanks to Sabreon's hoard for goosing the gen rate, rarely do I get a chance to really see how bitching my fire spirit is.



>You gesture at a war griffin.
You hurl a roaring ball of fire at a war griffin!
AS: +517 vs DS: +141 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +4 = +424
... and hit for 142 points of damage!
Head explodes in flames! Grab some marshmallows.
The war griffin writhes in agony, its wings flapping fruitlessly as it dies.
The roaring ball of fire strikes a war griffin, blossoming into a much larger sphere of flame upon impact.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir seer.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames char chest a crispy black.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir seer.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to back. Won't be sleeping on that for awhile.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir herald.
... 25 points of damage!
Right hand fried to a crisp. Think barbecue sauce.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir janissary.
... 20 points of damage!
Flames incinerate muscle tissue in neck exposing the trachea. More than you ever wanted to see.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir initiate.
... 25 points of damage!
Flames burn hole in chest exposing ribs!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a war griffin.
... 20 points of damage!
Minor burns to back. Looks uncomfortable.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir janissary.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames to left hand fries palm. Ouch!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a war griffin.
... 10 points of damage!
Minor burns to back. Looks uncomfortable.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir seer.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames to left hand fries palm. Ouch!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir herald.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames to right arm toasts skin to elbows.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir adept.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to right leg. Gonna need lots of butter.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir janissary.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to right leg. Gonna need lots of butter.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.







You hurl a roaring ball of fire at a war griffin!
AS: +517 vs DS: +204 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +93 = +450
... and hit for 151 points of damage!
Flames cook a war griffin's chest. Looks about medium well.
The war griffin writhes in agony, its wings flapping fruitlessly as it dies.
The roaring ball of fire strikes a war griffin, blossoming into a much larger sphere of flame upon impact.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir scout.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames to left leg blackens kneecap.
The Ithzir scout is stunned!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir adept.
... 10 points of damage!
Burst of flames to right arm burns skin bright red.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir adept.
... 20 points of damage!
Burst of flames to neck chars skin. Yuck!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir seer.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames to left hand fries palm. Ouch!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir seer.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames char chest a crispy black.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir herald.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames char abdomen a crispy black.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir janissary.
... 25 points of damage!
Flames incinerate left leg to the bone. Not a pleasant sight.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir initiate.
... 30 points of damage!
Extreme heat causes an Ithzir initiate's left arm to expand and snap. That must hurt!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a war griffin.
... 10 points of damage!
Minor burns to left eye. Foe blinks back the tears.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir janissary.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames char forehead a crispy black.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a war griffin.
... 10 points of damage!
Minor burns to head. That hurt a bit.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir seer.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to left leg. Gonna need lots of butter.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir herald.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to left arm. Gonna need lots of butter.
The Ithzir herald is stunned!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir adept.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to back. Won't be sleeping on that for awhile.
The Ithzir adept is stunned!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir janissary.
... 25 points of damage!
Abdomen bursts into flames. Would be funny without the blood.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.





You hurl a roaring ball of fire at a war griffin!
AS: +517 vs DS: +365 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +36 = +232
... and hit for 56 points of damage!
Extreme heat melts the skin off a war griffin's right hand. Gross!
The roaring ball of fire strikes a war griffin, blossoming into a much larger sphere of flame upon impact.
... 5 points of damage!
Minor burns to abdomen. Looks painful.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir scout.
... 30 points of damage!
Extreme heat causes an Ithzir scout's left arm to expand and snap. That must hurt!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir adept.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to chest make you wish you never heard of heartburn.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir adept.
... 20 points of damage!
Burst of flames to back toasts skin nicely.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir seer.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to left hand. Gonna need lots of butter.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir seer.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames to right arm toasts skin to elbows.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir herald.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to chest make you wish you never heard of heartburn.
The Ithzir herald is stunned!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir janissary.
... 25 points of damage!
Flames toast left cornea. Consider an eyepatch.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir initiate.
... 20 points of damage!
Flames engulf head searing hair and scalp. Sickening!
The Ithzir initiate is stunned!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a war griffin.
... 10 points of damage!
Minor burns to abdomen. Looks painful.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir janissary.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames char forehead a crispy black.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a war griffin.
... 15 points of damage!
Minor burns to abdomen. Looks painful.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir seer.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames char forehead a crispy black.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir herald.
... 25 points of damage!
Flames burn neck into a bubbling mass of flesh. Forget lunch.
The Ithzir herald is stunned!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir adept.
... 25 points of damage!
Flames incinerate right arm to the bone. Not a pleasant sight.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir janissary.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to left arm. Gonna need lots of butter.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.



You hurl a roaring ball of fire at a war griffin!
AS: +517 vs DS: +191 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +96 = +466
... and hit for 152 points of damage!
Blaze chars a war griffin's left arm. What's left is unusable.
The war griffin screeches loudly as it cradles its mangled left front leg!
The war griffin crashes to the ground, motionless.
The roaring ball of fire strikes a war griffin, blossoming into a much larger sphere of flame upon impact.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir herald.
... 30 points of damage!
Extreme heat causes an Ithzir herald's right arm to expand and snap. That must hurt!
The Ithzir herald is stunned!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir herald.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to chest make you wish you never heard of heartburn.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir adept.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames to left leg blackens kneecap.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir adept.
... 25 points of damage!
Flames incinerate left arm to the bone. Not a pleasant sight.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir adept.
... 10 points of damage!
Minor burns to back. Looks uncomfortable.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir seer.
... 10 points of damage!
Burst of flames to back toasts skin nicely.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir seer.
... 25 points of damage!
Flames incinerate left leg to the bone. Not a pleasant sight.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir janissary.
... 25 points of damage!
Flames incinerate left arm to the bone. Not a pleasant sight.
The janissary's steel shield falls to the ground.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir initiate.
... 25 points of damage!
Left hand fried to a crisp. Think barbecue sauce.
The Ithzir initiate vainly struggles to rise, then goes still.
The very powerful look leaves an Ithzir initiate.
The white light leaves an Ithzir initiate.
The opalescent aura fades from around an Ithzir initiate.
The deep blue glow leaves an Ithzir initiate.
The brilliant aura fades away from an Ithzir initiate.
An Ithzir initiate seems slightly different.
The dim aura fades from around an Ithzir initiate.
An Ithzir initiate appears less confident.
The light blue glow leaves an Ithzir initiate.
The powerful look leaves an Ithzir initiate.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a war griffin.
... 15 points of damage!
Minor burns to abdomen. Looks painful.
The war griffin writhes in agony, its wings flapping fruitlessly as it dies.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir janissary.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to right arm. Gonna need lots of butter.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a war griffin.
... 5 points of damage!
Minor burns to abdomen. Looks painful.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir seer.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to chest make you wish you never heard of heartburn.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir herald.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to abdomen, an Ithzir herald shrieks in pain!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir adept.
... 25 points of damage!
Flames toast right cornea. Consider an eyepatch.

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits an Ithzir janissary.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty burns to back. Won't be sleeping on that for awhile.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

[Swami71]

Head explodes in flames! Grab some marshmallows.

Right hand fried to a crisp. Think barbecue sauce.

Nasty burns to right leg. Gonna need lots of butter.

Flames cook a war griffin's chest. Looks about medium well.

Nasty burns to chest make you wish you never heard of heartburn.

Burst of flames char forehead a crispy black.

Burst of flames to back toasts skin nicely.

Left hand fried to a crisp. Think barbecue sauce.

The war griffin writhes in agony, its wings flapping fruitlessly as it dies.


Funny all the food references in there. Nice AS BTW 517 for a Dwarf is amazing. Wish the splash did more than 25 damage.

[crb]

Some did, had some 30s and 35s on some of the other hits, but less critters in the room, so less splashes overall, so I didn't post them. Even with the low damage though, it is very good at stunning, basically every stunnable critter was stunned, and every once in awhile you get lucky and even get a crit kill. Of course when underhunting the splashes are ridiculous, also on trolls or cold stuff.

Just wait until I can put +10 SA +10 dex on my badge (currently plus to neither) 537 bolt AS. Then if I get a fixstat I can get another 6 from dex, for 543. And then maybe, one day, if we get a 700s AS boosted like we should have, 550+, 625 with 117.

[Abyran'sa]

Since we are showing off.. I had to post this one from the FWI invasions a while back. :flamewar: It makes me want to pick up a rank or two of MOC.


You hurl a roaring ball of fire at a greater water elemental!
AS: +483 vs DS: +406 with AvD: +48 + d100 roll: +72 = +197
... and hit for 42 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!
The roaring ball of fire strikes a greater water elemental, blossoming into a much larger sphere of flame upon impact.
... 40 points of damage!
It is knocked to the ground!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 40 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 20 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 10 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 15 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 25 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 40 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 30 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 30 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 20 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 60 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 10 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 30 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 25 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 15 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 20 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!

A burst of flame from your roaring ball of fire flies off and hits a greater water elemental.
... 15 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

[crb]

Most hilarious reputation ever received:



http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Beautiful 11-21-2009 04:58 PM omg sorcs are so underpowered- stfu faggot

Yes, a sorcerer casting a minor circle spell, for which he overpaid on a ton of lore for, with a ton of enhancives, and with the help of a major elemental spell, a paladin spell, a cleric spell, and two major spiritual spells, can, indeed, throw a mean bolt.

If you think this mutant overinvested sorcerer is impressive with a ball spell, you should see what an average wizard can do.

[crb]

Seriously, if you want to discuss the issue, why not post in the thread?



What the hell do you need an AS boosting spell in the 700's circle for... that's what 425 is for, dipshit! (And 'sides, aren't all of the offensive 700 spells CS-based?!)

1. There will be an AS based spell in the 700s after the sorcerer review sometime in 2013. And of course, we already have 111 and 118.

2. Of all the pures we have the lowest self cast AS.

[Izzy]

2. Of all the pures we have the lowest self cast AS.

So what? Somebody has to, might as well be sorcerers.

[Asha]

Your sorcerer is not what is considered a mutant.

[crb]

So what? Somebody has to, might as well be sorcerers.

It isn't so much being last, as it is the gap. Plus, we're last in most things.

Believe me, we don't want to be best, we'd be happy just being tied in third, or heck, still fourth but just not as bad.

Afterall, it isn't like the CS system where critter defenses change based on who is casting.

[Asrial]

Until 425 becomes easily accessible, sorcerer's are not last in bolt AS when taking the system as a whole.

It's easy for a sorcerer to get 307 (+5/+15), 211, and 215.

It's not so easy for a cleric to get 425.

Also, 425 and 215 give the same bonus so that balances them out and makes it just a matter of getting 307 and 211 which is as hard as buying a potion from the clerics shop and getting a cleric to imbed 307 or hunting with them.

[Danical]

Also, 425 and 215 give the same bonus so that balances them out and makes it just a matter of getting 307 and 211 which is as hard as buying a potion from the clerics shop and getting a cleric to imbed 307 or hunting with them.

Spell nativity/Other-Cast aside, I'm not certain what kind of bolting character stops at 25 ranks of MnE.

[Sean of the Thread]

Remind me why a water elemental isn't immune to fire?

[Fallen]

Until 425 becomes easily accessible, sorcerer's are not last in bolt AS when taking the system as a whole.

It's easy for a sorcerer to get 307 (+5/+15), 211, and 215.

It's not so easy for a cleric to get 425.

Also, 425 and 215 give the same bonus so that balances them out and makes it just a matter of getting 307 and 211 which is as hard as buying a potion from the clerics shop and getting a cleric to imbed 307 or hunting with them.

So what you're saying is they are balanced..so long as the sorcerer perpetually hunts with outside spells. Good stuff.

[BigWorm]

Remind me why a water elemental isn't immune to fire?

You use the fire to kind of 'boil' the elemental, changing their state of matter from water to steam. They also get really slow when you use cold on them. Since they're water elementals and not steam or ice elementals, this is bad for them. At least thats how I worked through it in my head.

[Abyran'sa]

Remind me why a water elemental isn't immune to fire?

Because they are made of water, which is the arch enemy of fire. Water elementals should be immune to things like minor water and drowning.

[Asrial]

So what you're saying is they are balanced..so long as the sorcerer perpetually hunts with outside spells. Good stuff.When's the last time you hunted without outside spells?

..and it's not like it's hard..

My rogue friend uses 211 and at least the +5 version of 307 every single hunt.

I didn't want to take 'training' into account, but what Danical says is completely correct. In the 720 thread, it's listed that the optimum spell training for a sorcerer is 77 Minor Elemental ranks. That means they get +50 AS from 425.

+50 from 425. +55 from 307/211/215.

Every 10 ranks of Blessings Lore increases the AS bonus from 215 by 1. The 'average' blessings lore, IMO, for a cleric is 65 so that's a +6 increase.

However.. all that is completely nullified by getting a cleric to imbed 211 into a gem, buying a pure potion from cleric shops, getting vials while hunting a character through wind wraiths, casting 211 from an infused scroll, or hunting with a cleric who has the mana and lore training to sustain 211 through the hunt.

If you want to compare training to training.. a cleric beats a sorcerer by 25 AS (that's with 200 ranks in Blessings Lore).

If you want to look at it realistically.. sorcerers can quite easily beat what a cleric can do.

Ultimately, the issue though is not AS. The issue is SPELLS TO USE.

111.. 118.. 306.. riiiight. That makes me want to train a pure bolter.

[Numbers]

Shoulda been a wizard.

[crb]

When's the last time you hunted without outside spells?

..and it's not like it's hard..

My rogue friend uses 211 and at least the +5 version of 307 every single hunt.

I didn't want to take 'training' into account, but what Danical says is completely correct. In the 720 thread, it's listed that the optimum spell training for a sorcerer is 77 Minor Elemental ranks. That means they get +50 AS from 425.

+50 from 425. +55 from 307/211/215.

Every 10 ranks of Blessings Lore increases the AS bonus from 215 by 1. The 'average' blessings lore, IMO, for a cleric is 65 so that's a +6 increase.

However.. all that is completely nullified by getting a cleric to imbed 211 into a gem, buying a pure potion from cleric shops, getting vials while hunting a character through wind wraiths, casting 211 from an infused scroll, or hunting with a cleric who has the mana and lore training to sustain 211 through the hunt.

If you want to compare training to training.. a cleric beats a sorcerer by 25 AS (that's with 200 ranks in Blessings Lore).

If you want to look at it realistically.. sorcerers can quite easily beat what a cleric can do.

Ultimately, the issue though is not AS. The issue is SPELLS TO USE.

111.. 118.. 306.. riiiight. That makes me want to train a pure bolter.

Good job. You've accurately proven clerics are 3rd place in bolts, just edging out the 4th place sorcerers.

Of course, there are 4 pure professions.

Oh... and and you really shouldn't count outside spells, what if our people are rift hunting, hmm?

And again, I'd be happy with a small +5-15 AS buff in the 700 circle, nothing too major.

[Danical]

Personally, I think Sorcs need a professional circle bolt.

Here was my idea a while back.

Necrosis Bolt

Desc: summon a caliginous orb of living disease with wildly lashing appendages.


CHANNEL 716
8 mana.
DF = 901. AvD = 908. Disintegration crit table.
Base 2 Orbs. Summoning Lore increases number of Orbs by 1 at 10, 25, 45, 70, 100, 135, 175, 220 ranks. Each intermediary rank contributes a chance to produce another orb (e.g., 88 ranks would mean 6 orbs + 60% chance for 7 orbs). Additional orbs beyond the second cost 2 additional mana reduced by 1 mana per 10 elemental or spiritual lore ranks. Will not reduce past 8 mana. I chose CHANNEL to amplify the spell so creatures wouldn't fuck up characters.
May CHANNEL <target> or CHANNEL w/o target. If targeted, all orbs attack a single target, otherwise all orbs attack randomly assigned creatures in the room. If more orbs than creatures, "spillover" orbs attack a random creature. If an orb kills a creature and a "spillover" orb was assigned to that creature, the orb reassigns to another creature.
If hit, the creature is infected. Infections don't stack. Infection slows creature by 2 seconds increased by 1 at 10, 25, 45, 70, 100 Necro Lore ranks with intermediary ranks contributing a chance for an additional second reduction. Creature suffers base 25% vulnerability to ALL damage types + 1% Necro Lore on Seed 1.
Summoning Lore increases AvD of orbs by 1 per Seed 1.
Necro Lore increases DF by 1% per Seed 1.


The intent of this spell is that it doesn't require more AS on the part of the Sorc b/c the AvD is huge and can be increased but that it just has to hit for it to seriously set up/disable said creature(s) for pwnage or perhaps kill if multiple orbs hit.

[Fallen]

When people compare bolt AS of sorcerers assuming they have 70+ ranks in a secondary minor circle it makes me scratch my head.

[Asha]

I agree completely, E.
I think I got there 2m after cap.