Hockey fights.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I don't really ever watch hockey. But I am watching the news, like I said in another thread, and they just mentioned a player who was not only banned for the rest of the year, but also forfeited the rest of his salary for the year and was also fined $250,000.

I've seen the clip. The man he punched came away with a broken neck and a concussion. The clip also shows another player jumping on the accused's back almost immediately and throwing a punch. How is one worse than another? Either you make fighting in hockey legal, or you ban everyone who throws a punch for an entire year. Because this one player's attack ended with a broken neck is an unfortunate accident.

[HarmNone]

As I understand it, the player who was attacked in this instance was attacked because he took another player out last year (I think it was last year). I think the PTB in hockey are starting to take a look at the violence, since players are being seriously injured.

Hockey has always been a violent game. It is not going to be easy to tackle the problem this late in the game, I'd say.

HarmNone

[Caiylania]

It's one reason I don't watch it. It is fun to play, but what they get away with in the NHL make me sick.

[Makkah]

The worst aspect of this situation is the fact that the guy hit him unsuspecting. Hit him from behind and rode his body into the ice, leading with the guys head\neck. Another really important fact was that the coach had placed a "bounty" on the guys head before the game. Face it. Hockey sucks.

rht

[Iriscience]

FUCK BERTUZZI

[Galleazzo]

So watch college hockey. Good action and they ban fighting.

[TheEschaton]

Fuck the media vultures who only pay attention to hockey when someone gets injured.


They play 80 games a season, yanno. And all the teams have played about 65 so far, and this is THE FIRST TIME hockey has made it into mainstream media this season.

Imagine what the image of Basketball would be if the only time it slipped into the media was to mention that Kobe raped a girl, or Jason Williams killed someone, or Allen IVerson beat his wife. Instead, basketball is treated with kid's gloves.

-TheE-

[Hulkein]

He didn't fight anyone, he cheapshotted someone and slammed their face into the ice. It wasn't a hockey fight.

Not only that, but it was pre-meditated. That Moore guy who got his neck broken legally hit one of Bertuzzi's teammates last game, injuring him. Bertuzzi said there would be retribution. He tought about what he was going to do, and he blindsided someone and broke their neck.

The teammate was just helping his injured teammate, nothing wrong with that.

[Edited on 3-11-2004 by Hulkein]

[Anebriated]

There is a difference between Bertuzzi and the player that jumped on his back. Bertuzzi came up from behind of the player and suckerpunched him then forced his head to the ice. The player who jumped on his back was more in retaliation. At least he was retaliating to something that happened in that game as opposed to Bertuzzi who was retaliating to something that happened earlier in the season.

The punishment he got was just. When you are in a game like that and you see a teammate cheapshoted your emotions tend to rise a bit. Granted Bertuzzi crossed the line with his retaliation. Overall im not surprised that Moore was targetted.

edit: this sort of thing also does not happen often. Its bad to say that the 1% of the fights in hockey that are horrible are the norm. Look at the Flyers/Ottowa game. 419 minutes of fighting and nobody was banned or fined. I am pretty sure half of the fights were on the Senator coaches orders.

[Edited on 3-11-2004 by Elrodin]

[Chadj]

This is giving my sport a bad rep :(

[Makkah]

Hockey sucks. /end thread


rht

[Skirmisher]

This is the garbage that I was talking about in the other thread.

This guy came from behind and sucker punched him and then rode him into the ice. The thing to remember, is if he had not been injured like that, a sucker punch from out of nowhere would only get a penalty and to me that is just no longer acceptable.

The culture that exists in the NHL at present makes it ok to do things to other players that would land you in jail on the street and the thing is it plays NO part in the actual game.

Punching and hitting with the stick should be an instant suspension with increasing penalties for each occurence.

I loved hockey, I played in intramurals in high school even getting enough friends into it that we had an all girls team one year and trying (if failing sadly) at ice hockey a few times.

I used to go to games often and still am a devils fan, but don't go or watch games like I used to as I am just fed up with the needless violence.

Please allow me to reiterate, I LOVE hockey, and I want other people to come to apreciate it as I do, but lets be honest, its dying as a fan based sport and I say that if we could get rid of the fighting we would have a better chance to pull in the masses.

[TheEschaton]

I dunno, a designated brawler always seemed to know when a fight would pump the crowd and his team up to kill level.

I can't count the times we've scored off the energy provided by Rob Ray kicking the living Christ out of someone.

-TheE-

[Meos]

I got a 2 hour long video tape that's just Probert fights. Ya gotta respect someone that will just beat the shit out of you because he's a maniac

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
I dunno, a designated brawler always seemed to know when a fight would pump the crowd and his team up to kill level.

I can't count the times we've scored off the energy provided by Rob Ray kicking the living Christ out of someone.

-TheE-

That is just sad.

[TheEschaton]

Instigators are a part of sports.

Violence is a part of sports.

One thing that can be said of sports is that it is meant to evoke strong emotions in the people who watch it. And frankly, hockey is meant to evoke anger, as well as awe, as well as beauty.

People die in NASCAR, yanno. Go persecute them for having such a violent sport, where people go at suicidal speeds at unsafe distances from each other, and try and nudge past people.

-TheE-

[SpunGirl]

Me work Hard five days a week,
sweeping garbage from the street.
Come home not one book to read,
not 'nuff pictures for me see.
Sit right down in favorite chair,
wearing only underwear.
Favorite night is Saturday night,
'cause me can watch hockey fights.

Me like hockey
Me like hockey

Me not like pro basketball,
'cause me short and they all tall.
Baseball slow like Forrest Gump,
'cept when Robbie spits on ump.
Wrestlemania not so great,
Me like to see Hulk Hogan Skate.
TV socccer not that hot,
you play bad and you get shot.

Me like hockey
Me like hockey

Swedish players must be geeks, haha
'cause they still got own real teeth. hahaha
Not like Finnish players names,
what's a Teemu anyway? hahaha
Russians worst in history,
got stupid names like Valeri. hahaha

Me like Sergi Federov,
Me like him more if head were off. hahaha

Me like hockey
Me like hockey
Me like hockey
We like hockey

Please Mr. Linesman let the players fight
Please Mr. Linesman let the players fight
Please Mr. Linesman let the players fight
Please Mr. Linesman let the players fight
Let them fight
Let them fight
Let them fight
Let them fight!
Let them fight!!
Let them fight!!!
Let them!!!!

Friends come over, put game on,
argue then we lay bets down.
Got bag of chips and case of Bud,
should last 'til end of first period.
But Yankees they win The World Cup,
me think they cheat use glowing puck.
Maybe if we want to win her,
maybe we should play in winter.

Me Like Hockey
Me Like Hockey
Me Like Hockey
Me Like Hockey

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

(Just to avoid any confusion, this is by a band called the Arrogant Worms).

-K

[Edited on 3-11-2004 by SpunGirl]

[Galleazzo]

Hey, Teemu Selanne won me $500 bucks back in 1993. I got into a hockey fantasy league where I got the guy with my 24th pick, and that was the year he shattered the record for goal scoring by a rookie. I rampaged straight to the title.

THAT's what a Teemu is. Means $$$ to me.

[TheEschaton]

I have his rookie card. w00t.


I also have Eric Lindros's rookie card, which I'm considering burning in a ritualistic sacrifice in hopes he stops being a whiney bitch.

-TheE-

[Hulkein]

Broadstreet Bullies, doesn't get better then them. Wish I was alive to see all their games

[Latrinsorm]

"Wrestlemania not so great, "

WTF

[Lord Deprav]

I have watched Bertuzzi his whole career. He is a well known dirty player. This is no way surprised me what he did. I watched some of the game but missed that part of the action.

I have a few simple solutions for these problems. I wrote a big article on the Marty McSorley action a few years back. First off, the government should not get involved at all! It only deteriates the sport. The players no the risk they take out there. This is no different than what can happen in anysport. Remember when Clemns hit Piazza in the head or when the official hit Brown in the eye with the flag that he was throwing at him? This is something that needs to be kept in the game. The team should suspend Bertuzzi. Then the NHL should suspend Bertuzzi (more to fit the punishment) and fine both team and player.

What Bertuzzi did was cheap. Hockey has turned though so much on players. When they brought in the istigator rule, it changed the style of play totally. Naslund, who recieved the hit from Moore, could have never happened if he had to think twice about getting his ass beat. I was listening to Englom today on the radio and he made the point of what is more important to a player, being fined, or get his head smashed in by some big goone in front of 20k people live and thousands of viewers? So basically if this guy knew that some tough guy was going to beat him up for laying out and hurting the other teams leading goal scorer and all around athlete, this problem may have never happened.

Bertuzzi attacked the guy because that was the only way he could get retribution. The guy wouldn't fight him straight up and he had to prove some sort of point (being the leader of his team) by laying out the other guy who hurt his player. So he did what he had too do. The punishment seems a little harsh to me considering fighting is part of the game. It was truely disgustin to watch, but that guy should have known better then to even turn his head for a second. Not to mention the coach should have been all over the match ups and never allowed his player on the ice when Bertuzzi, who once again is known for being dirty, is on the ice.

Deprav

[Lord Deprav]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
Me work Hard five days a week,
sweeping garbage from the street.
Come home not one book to read,
not 'nuff pictures for me see.
Sit right down in favorite chair,
wearing only underwear.
Favorite night is Saturday night,
'cause me can watch hockey fights.

Me like hockey
Me like hockey

Me not like pro basketball,
'cause me short and they all tall.
Baseball slow like Forrest Gump,
'cept when Robbie spits on ump.
Wrestlemania not so great,
Me like to see Hulk Hogan Skate.
TV socccer not that hot,
you play bad and you get shot.

Me like hockey
Me like hockey

Swedish players must be geeks, haha
'cause they still got own real teeth. hahaha
Not like Finnish players names,
what's a Teemu anyway? hahaha
Russians worst in history,
got stupid names like Valeri. hahaha

Me like Sergi Federov,
Me like him more if head were off. hahaha

Me like hockey
Me like hockey
Me like hockey
We like hockey

Please Mr. Linesman let the players fight
Please Mr. Linesman let the players fight
Please Mr. Linesman let the players fight
Please Mr. Linesman let the players fight
Let them fight
Let them fight
Let them fight
Let them fight!
Let them fight!!
Let them fight!!!
Let them!!!!

Friends come over, put game on,
argue then we lay bets down.
Got bag of chips and case of Bud,
should last 'til end of first period.
But Yankees they win The World Cup,
me think they cheat use glowing puck.
Maybe if we want to win her,
maybe we should play in winter.

Me Like Hockey
Me Like Hockey
Me Like Hockey
Me Like Hockey

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

(Just to avoid any confusion, this is by a band called the Arrogant Worms).

-K

[Edited on 3-11-2004 by SpunGirl]

Bertuzzi has his own song. I heard it on Saturday night hockey a year ago and haven't been able to find it since. Not even on Don Cherry's website!

[Iriscience]

When Bertuzzi dissed the Wild he sealed his fate. No one talks shit on the Wild and gets away with it. FUCK YOU TODD.

[i remember halloween]

let them kill each other.

[Siefer]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
I LOVE hockey

/agree.


[i]
...I say that if we could get rid of the fighting we would have a better chance to pull in the masses.

/disagree.

[Siefer]

The CHI vs. NJ game that's on TV as I write this is a good example why fighting is a necessary part of hockey.

[Galleazzo]

College hockey's proof positive why fighting ISN'T a necessary part of hockey.

Anyway I got an anecdote. Dial it back to the mid 80s, Edmonton and the Bruins in the Garden. That fuckwad Semenko legwhips Charlie Simmer, Kenny Linseman dives in, and soon we have a pretty nasty free for all. And like everyone else in the Garden, I'm on my feet screaming. Things like "Cut out his heart! Skate over his nuts! Rip out his fucking eyeballs!" Ya know, the usual cheery sentiments.

I'm on an aisle seat, see, and I glance over and down. Standing next to me is a kid. Maybe 5. He's looking at me like I'm the freaking Boogey Man, only there's no room for him to run.

And I felt lower than pigshit right then. Never felt the same way about hockey fights since. That kid's a man now, and I really freaking hope he forgot he saw what maybe his first game next to some foulmouthed barbarian asshole.

[Skirmisher]

Yeah, again, I understand and appreciate the physical part of the game a will applaud a stunning bodycheck with everyone else, just dump the idiotic fighting part and I'm 100% on board.

[Siefer]

Originally posted by Skirmisher just dump the idiotic fighting part and I'm 100% on board.

The fucking pussification of this country needs to stop. Seriously, there needs to be a fucking line drawn in the sand. We have to stop breeding fucking pussies. All you ever here in this fucking shithole is negative shit about violence. Fuck you. Find something else to target and criticize, and leave me the fuck out of it. I want my sports the way I want my burger; Bloody as hell.

[Galleazzo]

Fine. Go watch pro wrestling.

[Lord Deprav]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
College hockey's proof positive why fighting ISN'T a necessary part of hockey.

Anyway I got an anecdote. Dial it back to the mid 80s, Edmonton and the Bruins in the Garden. That fuckwad Semenko legwhips Charlie Simmer, Kenny Linseman dives in, and soon we have a pretty nasty free for all. And like everyone else in the Garden, I'm on my feet screaming. Things like "Cut out his heart! Skate over his nuts! Rip out his fucking eyeballs!" Ya know, the usual cheery sentiments.

I'm on an aisle seat, see, and I glance over and down. Standing next to me is a kid. Maybe 5. He's looking at me like I'm the freaking Boogey Man, only there's no room for him to run.

And I felt lower than pigshit right then. Never felt the same way about hockey fights since. That kid's a man now, and I really freaking hope he forgot he saw what maybe his first game next to some foulmouthed barbarian asshole.

I am sorry you had this exp. Shit happens. Kids see all this sex and cursin on tv now anyways, so truely, what is the point? Your point on college hockey is not very good. I live by 2 schools who are in the CCHL (which is like the Big Ten in hockey) and they can't even be compared to professional hockey. Could you imagine a Big Ten school folding? Well that is what is happening with the Findlay hockey team. Bowling Green isn't very far away from it either do to their lack of attention of the sport. College hockey is just not exciting. Too much icing and offsides. They do not use the two line pass because it opens up the game. But 90% of the passes thrown down are just icing calls because of automatic icing. Not a fun sport to watch.

Hockey is the only sport (major) that fighting someone is part of the game. You cursing is just a perspective of how you enjoy the game. Cursing happens at all sporting events. Trust me, I know. I live by Detroit, and I am a Browns fan. I go to tons of Indians games. Being mean is just part of the game. I am a high school umpire. I enjoy still being a part of the game. But I look at it as being an official when someone yells at me, I am ok with that. Because at least they are tryin to participate in America's national pastime. They want to be involved like I am. Root on their team. Umpires are bad guys in most peoples eyes. I am ok with that. My point is people get caught up in the moment and its all how you deal with it. If you want to yell every bad word there is in the book, thats up to you. If you want to stand up and clap thats upto you. If you want to turn your head because you don't like violence, then you shouldn't be there. Sports have violence in them. Plain and simple.

Deprav

[Lord Deprav]

Originally posted by Siefer

Originally posted by Skirmisher just dump the idiotic fighting part and I'm 100% on board.

The fucking pussification of this country needs to stop. Seriously, there needs to be a fucking line drawn in the sand. We have to stop breeding fucking pussies. All you ever here in this fucking shithole is negative shit about violence. Fuck you. Find something else to target and criticize, and leave me the fuck out of it. I want my sports the way I want my burger; Bloody as hell.

Oddly enough, you hit the point. But you forgot, Americans like violence. Gives them something to talk about.

Deprav

[Siefer]

We aren't the fucking Romans. We aren't feeding people to the fucking lions. But some people need to open their eyes and realize everything can't be some sugar coated Christopher Lowell fucking fairy tale.

[Satira]

I like violence! I'll go see a movie just because there's a huge battle in it. I like hockey BECAUSE of the fighting. I can't think of any other sport where you see someone get pissed and hit someone so hard blood flies. I understand that this particular incident went too far but I hope they don't ban fighting in the game.

I enjoy wrestling for the same reason, but most of the time you see blood it's been planned ahead of time.

[TheEschaton]

College hockey is just not exciting.

College hockey in Boston is exciting. Can we say Beanpot? But I still like pro hockey more.

-TheE-

[Galleazzo]

Okay, Deprav, here's back atcha.

Suppose a kid doesn't care for the brushback pitch he got or how hard he was tagged out at second. So he starts throwing punches. What do you, the umpire, do?

Remember, you're the one saying how cool violence in sport is here.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Lord Deprav
Remember when Clemns hit Piazza in the headThat's more a discussion about the DH rule. Let's see how badass Clemens is in the NL.
Umpires are bad guys in most peoples eyes.Probably because you're all jerks. :bleh:
Originally posted by Galleazzo
Fine. Go watch pro wrestling. Anyone else watch "The Mania of Wrestlemania" tonight?

[Xcalibur]

I was good at hockey, was going to go midjet but some stuff changed it, bah..

I was very physical, though.

Hockey is physical, if you prefer less violent games, go play Badminton with Arka:lol:

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Siefer
The fucking pussification of this country needs to stop. Seriously, there needs to be a fucking line drawn in the sand. We have to stop breeding fucking pussies. All you ever here in this fucking shithole is negative shit about violence. Fuck you. Find something else to target and criticize, and leave me the fuck out of it. I want my sports the way I want my burger; Bloody as hell.

Just when i think we have seen the extent of your ignorance you go and top yourself.

I specifically said I like a clean physical game. A strong clean check is beautiful.

Of course addessing that is less "flashy" than simply talking about some drivel like the "pussification" of this country.

Please take your boundless ignorance to other threads, it's not fair that I get all the pleasure of laughing at your feebleminded attempts at debate here.

You simply must share.:lol:

[Siefer]

In response, you're a fucking idiot. Thank you.

[Lord Deprav]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Okay, Deprav, here's back atcha.

Suppose a kid doesn't care for the brushback pitch he got or how hard he was tagged out at second. So he starts throwing punches. What do you, the umpire, do?

Remember, you're the one saying how cool violence in sport is here.

Well do you know what the state tells us to do as umpires. Do not touch the kid. Call to the coach and take numbers. It is not our responsibilty to enforce the situation when it happens. We are relied on to prevent it as best as we can and it is our duty to report. But we don't break them up. Some kids you cannot control. And if you try to control it...I might as well hand over the keys to my house. Cause some dad in the stands will sue me.

PS to all...I am watching the Maple Leafs and Habs right now and Domi and Landon just had a 5 minute fight and it was awesome. 20,000 fans were all cheering on for their team. That is what the game is about

Deprav
Who suggests you put CBC on right now if you read this message at 7:30

[Edited on 3-14-2004 by Lord Deprav]

[Souzy]

Ugh, I saw that player's speech. He was in tears and stuff. Which is stupid, cos they beat each other to death out in the rink. So what's the point of crying? I mean, you punch someone in the face 1000 bajillion times and the point is to really hurt them right? So he shed tears about it? Hockey is just a boxing match on ice. I'd rather watch Vargas and DelaJoya go at it again.

[Skirmisher]

You got that right Lalana, if I want o see a good fight i'll go watch a pro do it.

And about the tears as well. What hypocrisy. You came up behind another person clearly not wanting to fight and hit them from behind and then jumped on top of him, riding him down to the ice with both their weight as the fact that he was falling to the ice on his own was not sufficient. But....his tear accompanied "I had no intention of hurting you" was just laughable.

[Xcalibur]

Non-verbal languages, even little 2 years old guys and girls know that;)

[TheEschaton]

I saw the speech, and I thought it was completely genuine.


Look, in hockey, the players, and the fans, recognize that it is a violent, physical game. And they accept that. They even enjoy it. I'm sure the players do to some extent as well. A local bruiser who has his own radio piece on a local morning show talks constantly about how he and the other "designated bruiser" will always talk about when they wanna go at it...."How about now?" "Nah, let's wait it out a bit..." Hockey is also very territorial, especially around goalies. I remember, if anyone even came close to touching Dominik Hasek, they were pounded on relentlessly. If they ran into him on purpose? Yes, there would be retaliation.

One thing we forget when playing sports with all the protective equipment, is that people can and do get hurt. Bertuzzi was retaliating for something that happened earlier in the year. While he did it with intent, I do not think it was malicious. To break a guy's neck and have him bleeding on the ice in pools like that, no one is looking to do that.

I remember when Malarchuk got his neck sliced by a frickin' skate one time. People say he was about 5 minutes from dying out there on the ice. Do you think us Sabres fans were going, "Damn, blood, that's good stuff. More violence!"?

-TheE-

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
I saw the speech, and I thought it was completely genuine.


Look, in hockey, the players, and the fans, recognize that it is a violent, physical game. And they accept that. They even enjoy it. I'm sure the players do to some extent as well. A local bruiser who has his own radio piece on a local morning show talks constantly about how he and the other "designated bruiser" will always talk about when they wanna go at it...."How about now?" "Nah, let's wait it out a bit..." Hockey is also very territorial, especially around goalies. I remember, if anyone even came close to touching Dominik Hasek, they were pounded on relentlessly. If they ran into him on purpose? Yes, there would be retaliation.

One thing we forget when playing sports with all the protective equipment, is that people can and do get hurt. Bertuzzi was retaliating for something that happened earlier in the year. While he did it with intent, I do not think it was malicious. To break a guy's neck and have him bleeding on the ice in pools like that, no one is looking to do that.

I remember when Malarchuk got his neck sliced by a frickin' skate one time. People say he was about 5 minutes from dying out there on the ice. Do you think us Sabres fans were going, "Damn, blood, that's good stuff. More violence!"?

-TheE-

You speak as if I know nothing about hockey. As if I am not a fan. As if I never played.

The fact is the opposite is true. Its as if you think only complete pacifists or those completely ignorant of hockey might take issue with the fighting that occurs.

I have stated that in prior posts to counter exactly that sort of assumption. I have been a fan of the Devils since I was eleven. I have put in my dues to be acknowledged as at the least a fan.

To say that the equipment that the playes wear is to protect them in a fight is just not correct. They wear padding and helmets because they can be checked into the boards by a 200+ pound player skating at nearly 20 miles per hour. Or they may get hit by a slapshot traveling at 90+ miles per hour. I see both of these as legitimate risks of playing a hard game.

I can not and will not ever accept someone punching another player as simply part of the game. It is not accepted in football, basketball or baseball, all sports which, I should add, enjoy a MUCH larger following than hockey. And i would love to see any of you here call Warren Sapp or Kenyon Martin a pussy.

And lastly the saddest thing is the question you posed about the player getting sliced open by a skate. I am pretty sure that the players all felt bad, but you know darn well that there were some fans there who just got even more wound up seeing that blood.

If you think that the ridiculous level of the fighting has not played into helping the fan base of hockey erode and place the sport as a whole in jeopardy for its very existance I think you are taking an extremely shortsighted view of the situation.

[Mint]

Two women were at a bar. One looked at the other and said: "You know 80 percent of all men think the best way to end an argument is to make love."

"Well," said the other woman, "that will certainly revolutionize the game of hockey!"

[Lord Deprav]

Originally posted by Lalana
Ugh, I saw that player's speech. He was in tears and stuff. Which is stupid, cos they beat each other to death out in the rink. So what's the point of crying? I mean, you punch someone in the face 1000 bajillion times and the point is to really hurt them right? So he shed tears about it? Hockey is just a boxing match on ice. I'd rather watch Vargas and DelaJoya go at it again.

I use to play baseball with Vargas. He is truely a badass.

Deprav

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
And i would love to see any of you here call Warren Sapp or Kenyon Martin a pussy. If Kenyon Martin plays basketball in the NBA, Kenyon Martin is a pussy.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Skirmisher
And i would love to see any of you here call Warren Sapp or Kenyon Martin a pussy. If Kenyon Martin plays basketball in the NBA, Kenyon Martin is a pussy.

Hmm, I might have expected that of Testosterone, from you its simply dissapointing.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
Hmm, I might have expected that of Testosterone, from you its simply dissapointing. Well that was a low blow and a half. :(

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Lord DepravWell do you know what the state tells us to do as umpires. Do not touch the kid. Call to the coach and take numbers. It is not our responsibilty to enforce the situation when it happens. We are relied on to prevent it as best as we can and it is our duty to report. But we don't break them up. Some kids you cannot control. And if you try to control it...I might as well hand over the keys to my house. Cause some dad in the stands will sue me.
So you do nothing at all? Let the kid fight, and then he stays in the game? Nothing happens to him?

[Galleazzo]

I love hockey. I've loved it a long, long time. It freaking pisses me off that hockey's a joke. It gets on the news when there's another beating or stick incident or when Clint Malarchuk gets his throat cut on live TV or shit like that. Other than that the media laughs at hockey.

I'M FUCKING SICK OF IT.

[Siefer]

/agree