Another terrorist attack...

[Weedmage Princess]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/11/spain.blasts/index.html

:::sigh:::

[Skirmisher]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040311/ap_on_re_eu/spain_explosion&cid=518&ncid=716

Great, updated numbers have the dead at more than 130 and wounded in the hundreds.

This is why the death penalty is something i will not vote to do away with.

[Caiylania]

Its on the news here too. How horrid.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

It's about time everyone realizes you cannot stop terrorism. The war on terror is almost as ridiculous as the war on drugs. I am sorry all of those people died.

[Caiylania]

No one said we can stop all terrorism. The point is to stop as much of it as we can.

Terrosists only have to get lucky once, those fighting it have to get lucky every time. That isn't possible.

But at least they are trying.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Exactly what terrorism have we stopped? Catch a few people, and there are about ten more who will pick up the cause out of spite alone. There are a lot of husbands, wives, sons, grandchildren -- whatever -- who are dead right now for no reason. It is an endless battle that can never be won. Just a lot of lives and money wasted. You think a huge cocaine bust is actually going to decrease drug use?

[Weedmage Princess]

I know we have quite a few members overseas here...or members with friends and family overseas. Anyone know of someone who might have been in that area? Or had friends and family there?

Well I hope spain is willing to accept any and all aid we are willing to offer, though I had hoped it would be france instead so they can understand what others are going though

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
Exactly what terrorism have we stopped? Catch a few people, and there are about ten more who will pick up the cause out of spite alone. There are a lot of husbands, wives, sons, grandchildren -- whatever -- who are dead right now for no reason. It is an endless battle that can never be won. Just a lot of lives and money wasted. You think a huge cocaine bust is actually going to decrease drug use?

That's the point, of course we dont' hear about attacks that are thwarted. We only see and hear about the ones that get through.

[Galleazzo]

Terrorists should be tortured to death on live TV. Make it a pay per view.

[Kitsun]

Wow that is so odd...so your plan to 'handle' terrorism is to lie down and take it until you and everyone and everything you love is dead?

If the war on terror hasn't worked...why hasn't the U.S. had any attacks? Is it because they figured hey, we fucked em up good, let's leave em alone now! Fuck no, it is because they can't. Unfortunately other countries where their systems aren't as rigorous are now being targetted.

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by The Edine
Well I hope spain is willing to accept any and all aid we are willing to offer, though I had hoped it would be france instead so they can understand what others are going though

France is currently dealing with a little-known group calling themselves AZF. The group had placed bombs along rail tracks, and is demanding ransom of $4m and 1m Euros.

The bomb threat (a series of 8 bombs) was made public by the French gov't on March 5th.

The Gov't had previously attempted to pay the ransom with bungled drops on the 3rd. (Guess the French will surrender to anything?)

Btw, as the AZF is little known, it could either be a mob-like operation, some rogue elements of society, instead of being Islamic Militants.

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NOW, of course, after witnessing what happened in Spain, ideally the French will be more pro-active in dealing with their own Islamic Militancy... which has been a strengthening issue since the French gov't been clamping down on Religious identifiiers.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

First of all, it is not just a war on terror inside the United States. It is a worldwide "effort" which will never work. And secondly, we have been attacked before 9/11/2001 and will be again. That is not preventable, and I certainly do not want my Constitutional rights violated TRYING to prevent it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Terrorists should be tortured to death on live TV. Make it a pay per view.

:clap:

[peam]

Originally posted by Kitsun
Wow that is so odd...so your plan to 'handle' terrorism is to lie down and take it until you and everyone and everything you love is dead?

If the war on terror hasn't worked...why hasn't the U.S. had any attacks?

I do believe our soldiers are being blown up daily. All this 'war on terror' does is take the Americans right to them.

[Chadj]

I heard about that on the radio going to school this morning.. It was 7:50 AM, and the radio station had just finished playing "We Jammin", and when it was over, it was just like, "good morning people! Oh, and a whole bunch of people died and were injured in spain today cause of a terrorist attack, and its hellish and really saddening. Anyways, have a great day!"

I was like.. wtf..

<------ Just ranting about stories of his that no one cares about.

[GSLeloo]

Wow... I didn't hear about this at all.

[TheEschaton]

They're Spanish, why the hell would we care?? It only matters when it happens to US, and then we'd have to go in and kick some Basque ass!!

/sarcasm

On a side note: I think Spain is very quickly using this as a political advantage by blaming the Basques right before a political election when the Basques were in position to gain some power. They ignore that the ETA hasn't claimed responsibility (when the always have in the past, even going so far as to phone in ahead that something will happen), nor is it anywhere near the scale the ETA usually works on, their highest kill total before being 27, and that being higher than their norm.

-TheE-

[Mint]

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
Exactly what terrorism have we stopped? Catch a few people, and there are about ten more who will pick up the cause out of spite alone. There are a lot of husbands, wives, sons, grandchildren -- whatever -- who are dead right now for no reason. It is an endless battle that can never be won. Just a lot of lives and money wasted. You think a huge cocaine bust is actually going to decrease drug use?

If you have an infestation of cockroaches you exterminate. If they come back or are replaced with another group of insects you exterminate again. Or, I suppose you can just throw your hands up and let them have your home...

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Mint
If you have an infestation of cockroaches you exterminate. If they come back or are replaced with another group of insects you exterminate again. Or, I suppose you can just throw your hands up and let them have your home...

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Fuck all the terrorists, no matter what they stand for or who they are.

[Caiylania]

Yeah! What mint said.

Terrorists HAVE been stopped because of precautions and information. Hundreds of thousands of lives have been saved in ways most people never hear about.

[Ambrosia]

It's up to 190 people now from what I just read.

There is no way to stop terrorist. Children are breeded with hate, breeded to become terrorist. The only way to stop it is to kill every single terrorist there is and the children they breeded too, heh, good luck with that.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Ambrosia
The only way to stop it is to kill every single terrorist there is and the children they breeded too, heh, good luck with that. First off, the past tense of breed is bred. I'm normally not picky about that kind of thing, but three times was a bit rough. Second, you vastly underestimate humanity, and are therefore incorrect. (Third, Mint is awesome.)

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Citizens queue up to donate blood in Madrid.>>

omg for my french dialogue today we had a guy from Madrid and we was all, 'he is from madrid.' that is so cool.

[TheEschaton]

Fuck all the terrorists, no matter what they stand for or who they are.

Yeah! Let's drop the bombs on Fort Benning, GA!


See what I did there? It was called satire. While the sentiment is a shared one, we, as a country, not only don't go after all terrorism, we breed them in our own army bases, and have them run death squads in Latin America.

-TheE-

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
we, as a country, not only don't go after all terrorism, we breed them in our own army bases, and have them run death squads in Latin America. The longest journey begins with a single step. No matter how small that step is, we have started the journey. We're America, we'll do the right thing... eventually.

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by TheEschaton
we, as a country, not only don't go after all terrorism, we breed them in our own army bases, and have them run death squads in Latin America. The longest journey begins with a single step. No matter how small that step is, we have started the journey. We're America, we'll do the right thing... eventually.

We agree again!!

;)

[TheEschaton]

I agree, Latrin.

Let's start with ourselves, though, m'kay?

A corrupt man cannot make a corrupt man honest.

Or, as the Bible puts so well: "Before you seek to pluck the speck from your brother's eye, remove the log from your own."

Edited to add: Oh, by the way, Latrin. YOU GOT SERVED.

-TheE-

[Edited on 3-11-2004 by TheEschaton]

[TheEschaton]

What did I say about Spain blaming the Basques as a political move? (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=4&u=/nm/20040311/ts_nm/security_spain_qaeda_dc_2)

I know no one disagreed with me, but I just have to say:

YOU GOT SERVED!

-TheE-

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I think Bin Laden is in a pretty good position right now. He doesn't even have to commit any more acts of terrorism, but he can come out and claim that he is responsible for everything. I'd be one lazy terrorist.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Edited to add: Oh, by the way, Latrin. YOU GOT SERVED. WTF I'm not a terrorist, neither's my brother...

...oh you were talking about America. Okies. Here's what always bugged me about the School of the Americas (or whatever it's called) protestors: does every graduate turn into a baby-snuffing terrorist? Do the others do good? How many others are there? Yes, bad things can be attributed to SOME people who went through the SoA. That's like saying everyone who was in my middle school was a rapist (we're not) because one kid (not me) happened to turn out to kind of be one. I don't have the numbers, but I always thought it was a worthwhile question.

My teacher (le gran douche) never answered. But he was too busy wandering around Georgia trying to get arrested so he could pretend his life mattered.

[TheEschaton]

does every graduate turn into a baby-snuffing terrorist? Do the others do good? How many others are there? Yes, bad things can be attributed to SOME people who went through the SoA. That's like saying everyone who was in my middle school was a rapist (we're not) because one kid (not me) happened to turn out to kind of be one. I don't have the numbers, but I always thought it was a worthwhile question.

Does everyone of them? No. The majority of them do.

Do good? Hmmmm, I've never heard a story of a do-gooder from the SOA. They teach them counterinsurgency tactics, not ethics. This is not a case of some. Furthermore, not only is it not a case of some, but the worst of the worst.

If you had a school which graduated 6 people, and 4 of them were Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mussolini, who went out and committed the respective atrocities they committed, would you think the other two, even if not outwardly twisted, probably received a proper education? I think not.

God may be able to spare Sodom and Gomorrah if one innocent person exists. But it's not an excuse for everyone else, nor a call to reform their ways.

Unfortunately, I'm not a big fan of the military, as I don't see how the SoA CAN reform its ways.

-TheE-

[Mint]

Ya the terrorists should be left in peace:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/default.jsp

[Artha]

Winds of Black Death...they're so poetic.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
They teach them counterinsurgency tacticsThat's what I meant, they didn't teach them "yo, go set babies on fire and laugh and take pictures", they taught them some kind of military stuff, which can be used for (in a military sense) good or evil. I'm not very familiar with the curriculum, but if those tactics could be used to say stop terrorists from setting off a suitcase nuke in whatever corresponds to Grand Central Station in Bolivia, I would have to say that's something worth teaching. To go with your example, what if the other two graduates were Gandhi and Mother Theresa? They would make a bitching soccer team, that's what.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Edited to add: Oh, by the way, Latrin. YOU GOT SERVED. WTF I'm not a terrorist, neither's my brother...

...oh you were talking about America. Okies. Here's what always bugged me about the School of the Americas (or whatever it's called) protestors: does every graduate turn into a baby-snuffing terrorist? Do the others do good? How many others are there? Yes, bad things can be attributed to SOME people who went through the SoA. That's like saying everyone who was in my middle school was a rapist (we're not) because one kid (not me) happened to turn out to kind of be one. I don't have the numbers, but I always thought it was a worthwhile question.

My teacher (le gran douche) never answered. But he was too busy wandering around Georgia trying to get arrested so he could pretend his life mattered.

Heh. Preach on, bruthah Latrinsorm! Let the choir sing loudly!

HarmNone, wide grin holding steady

[TheEschaton]

Do you know what "counterinsurgency tactics" are? It's a euphimism for "torture".

And I wasn't joking when I said they didn't teach ethics. They don't.

-TheE-

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Do you know what "counterinsurgency tactics" are? It's a euphimism for "torture".I thought it was, like, not let random people infiltrate your position. My bad. :(

I saw a picture in the Connecticut Post today of like millions of Spanish folks in the streets.