Highest Experienced Rogue

[Widgets]

*dons his flame resistant suit*

Before I begin, say what you will about me and anything else concerning me you will likely say at this point in time. In the end, I'd like to think of myself as a stand up guy when it comes to gemstone, aside from the obvious flaws that I am very well aware of, like an addiction to this game that I have. I don't need the lot of you, whom most I don't know and aren't really close to, telling me something I already know right out the gate but if you want to by all means knock yourself out.

Originally, when I purchased Tsin I did it for numerous reasons, one of which was to just get that type of character out of an assholes hands, and I succeeded. Another was to obviously own the highest experience rogue in the game hands down, again, done. I've made a bunch of friends here and people with whom I will always consider friends for the most part and that's always a good thing to walk out of.

I've decided to sell Tsin, against my better judgement since that always plaques me down the road, instead of simply keeping him and playing other characters at the same time. I guess a part of me was impulsed on buying Tsin, that much I admit but I'm not at all regretful in doing so. For those always wanting to be in the know, I paid $2,000 for him, his attuned gear along with some other items of note in the locker which have long since sold and some spare coin. Do I consider that a fair price? Somewhat, considering the fact he is 4x cap, I'd say I got a fair value given today's market of newly capped characters can run around $400...So that multiplied by 4, as he's 4x capped, is roughly $1600...Tack on a silver value for the crate, which were sold this year at EG along with a coraesine weapon and I'd say the price was actually close to being right for everything.

Will people laugh and think it's absurd? Sure. And to me it's no different than spending thousands on a Lawn Gnome collection or anything else, so long as you enjoy it.

With that being said, would I like to get $2,000 out of this deal? Absolutely, and consider that my buyout. Do I expect to get $2,000 out of it? Not at all. Upon successful sale of this, I will also be asking Kranar or someone else capable to delete my PC usernames as to not be tempted to log on here and come back. Does that completely stop me? No cause I could make a new login if I had to, but it's a step at least in a direction.

Now, on with how this sales will run. I will be leaving this sale up, until the middle of next week (11/17) unless someone offers a buy out. Reason being is I want to give time for myself to tie up loose ends with those around me that still have dues from me, along with give anyone potentially interested time to think about a purchase or other questions they may have answered.

With that being said, I am starting off this sale at the normal price per any capped character, $400 and leaving a buyout of $2,000 which is what I paid. After the sale ends, it will be an account takeover and all information will be given to the new owner. I will make a second reply in this thread with all of his stats/skills etc along with a paste of his locker contents.

Anything that is listed in this thread, by me, WILL come with the purchase.

Minimum: $400

Current: $750 AD

Buyout: $1,500

Will end midnight est tomorrow (Friday), unless a buyout has been made.

[Widgets]

He has 2 custom verbs...Signature Wealth...And swear mine.

Granted they are rather silly, they are there none the less and I forgot to mention them originally.



Level: 100 Deeds: 27
Experience: 28444624 Death's Sting: None
Exp. to next TP: 376 Recent Deaths: 0
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 918043776
Physical TPs: 7 Mana: 307/307 max
(3952 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind is as clear as a bell.


Tsin, your Adventurer's Guild information is as follows:

You currently have 248667 unspent bounty points.

You have accumulated a total of 4807347 lifetime bounty points.

You have succeeded at the Kill Creatures task 1043 times.
You have succeeded at the Retrieve Heirloom task 1158 times.
You have succeeded at the Procure Gems task 1626 times.
You have succeeded at the Protect Traveller task 0 times and failed 1 time.
You have succeeded at the Procure Herbs task 331 times.
You have succeeded at the Kill Dangerous Creature task 1286 times.
You have succeeded at the Rescue Child task 104 times and failed 20 times.
You have succeeded at the Kill Bandits task 28 times.
You have succeeded at the Help Kill Creatures task 1 time.
You have succeeded at the Help Kill Bandits task 8 times.

You are not currently assigned a task.


Tsin (at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 302 202
Armor Use..........................| 302 202
Combat Maneuvers...................| 302 202
Edged Weapons......................| 302 202
Ranged Weapons.....................| 302 202
Ambush.............................| 302 202
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 120 30
Physical Fitness...................| 302 202
Dodging............................| 403 303
Arcane Symbols.....................| 201 101
Magic Item Use.....................| 201 101
Harness Power......................| 201 101
Disarming Traps....................| 401 303
Picking Locks......................| 86 19
Stalking and Hiding................| 403 303
Perception.........................| 403 303
Climbing...........................| 201 101
Swimming...........................| 201 101

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 81

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 20


Name: Tsin Creaton Race: Half-Elf Profession: Rogue (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 136 Expr: 28381512 Level: 100
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 100 (25) ... 93 (21)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Agility (AGI): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Discipline (DIS): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Aura (AUR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Logic (LOG): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Intuition (INT): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Wisdom (WIS): 84 (17) ... 84 (17)
Influence (INF): 84 (22) ... 84 (22)
Mana: 307 Silver: 0


Current society status:
You are a Master in the Council of Light.

You have learned and are able to use the following abilities:
Sign of Recognition
Signal
Sign of Warding
Sign of Striking
Sign of Clotting
Sign of Thought
Sign of Defending
Sign of Smiting
Sign of Staunching
Sign of Deflection
Sign of Hypnosis
Sign of Swords
Sign of Shields
Sign of Dissipation
Sign of Healing
Sign of Madness
Sign of Possession
Sign of Wracking
Sign of Darkness
Sign of Hopelessness


You are Guild Master of the Rogue Guild.
You are current with your dues and must check in again sometime in the next 15 days.
You currently have 316 ranks out of a possible 372 for your training.

You are a Master of Sweep.

You are a Master of Subdue.

You are a Master of Stun Maneuvers.

You have 7 ranks in the Lock Mastery skill.
You need 53 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to pick some tough boxes from creatures.
You have 3 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You are a Master of Cheap Shot.

You are a Master of Rogue Gambits.

[Widgets]

You see Renowned Lord Tsin.
He appears to be a Half-Elf.
He is much taller than average and appears to be in the prime of life. He has piercing blue eyes and naturally sun-tanned skin. He has short, golden brown hair styled in chaotic spikes. He has a clean-shaven face, a flaring nose and slightly pointed ears.
He is in good shape.
He is wearing a sleek shadowy crystal pendant, a deep purple ora Jakarta crest, an ivory shirt with long narrow sleeves, a tiny golvern whistle, an enruned golvern pin, some padded dragging gloves, a darkly tanned hooded cloak, an aged ruic longbow, a darkly tanned leather bandolier with a vultite katar and a vultite katar strapped to it, some flowing white robes, a flexible coraesine belt supporting a tiny orb-shaped pocket, a weathered bag, a scroll case, a rat skull clasped satchel, an ankle kit, and some black padded boots.


Your total silvers: 2749875


In a deep chest:
a large coil of silk rope
a black pearl inset eonake neckchain
a fluffy camouflage pillow (registered)
a shadowy battle harness stitched with Vaaloran sigils
a well-oiled riding saddle (registered)
a peridot
a miniature Tsin portrait (registered)
an opaque blue glass jar
an opal-inset black ora rod
a star-cut veil iron bracelet
a n'ayanad crystal
a shadowglass ring
a starstone studded ring
a yellowed crimson vaalin lockpick
a spiralling blue rolaren lockpick
an embossed vultite alloy lockpick

In a clothing wardrobe:
a small leather pouch
a small leather pouch
an opal-crested mithglin ring
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a small leather pouch
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a petite diamond-inlaid ring
a long slate grey silk cloak
a blue diamond
an opaline moonstone
a grimy russet cloth
a cracked mirror attached to a mithril alloy handle
a silver-bound black diamond pendant
a simple clear crystal ball
a ruby-inset bathing maiden figurine
a bloodstone studded pewter talisman
a black tourmaline
a green starstone
a white sunstone
a yellow sapphire
a green starstone
a yellow sapphire
a yellow dreamstone
a shimmering black viper-shaped bracelet coiled tightly upon itself (registered)
a linen pouch
a pale ivory calling card engraved with elegant silver scrolls
a pale ivory calling card engraved with elegant silver scrolls
some elven tracking boots
a relaxed leaf green lizard (registered)
a polished mithril cricket box
a small cricket
a hooded soot black cloak
a four-fingered veil iron ring encrusted with sparkling rubies rising from the surface to spell out the word "TSIN"
a small leather pouch
a gold onyx cabochon-set ring
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a small leather pouch

In a magical item bin:
a glowing red flask (registered)
some deathstone earrings
a Castle Claedesbrim pin
a ruby amulet
an enruned troll bone
an enruned troll bone
a red and gold scroll
a small silver star (registered)

On a weapon rack:
a drakar katar
a drakar katar

On an armor stand:
some enruned golvern vambraces (registered)
some double leather
some reinforced eonake sweep-guards (registered)
a flowing white robe

Obvious items: 104

[Widgets]

In a deep chest:
a heavy faenor slab
a heavy ora slab
a scrap of black-inked parchment
a scrap of black-inked parchment
a scrap of black-inked parchment
a scrap of black-inked parchment
a scrap of black-inked parchment
a scrap of purple-inked parchment
a scrap of red-inked parchment
a scrap of purple-inked parchment
a heavy ora slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy faenor slab
a heavy kelyn slab
a heavy vultite slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy kelyn slab
a heavy faenor slab
a heavy white ora slab
a heavy gornar slab
a heavy vultite slab
a heavy vaalorn slab
a heavy vultite slab
a heavy vaalorn slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy ora slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy kelyn slab
a heavy ora slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy invar slab
a heavy gornar slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy drakar slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy vultite slab
a heavy vultite slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy gornar slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy white ora slab
a heavy invar slab
a heavy rhimar slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy faenor slab
a heavy white ora slab
a heavy mithril slab
a heavy vaalorn slab
a heavy vaalorn slab
a heavy invar slab
a heavy drakar slab
a heavy invar slab
a scrap of red-inked parchment
a scrap of purple-inked parchment
a scrap of purple-inked parchment
a scrap of purple-inked parchment
a heavy faenor slab
a heavy razern slab
a heavy rolaren slab
a heavy white ora slab

In a clothing wardrobe:
a small leather pouch
an opal-crested mithglin ring
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a small leather pouch
a square-cut malachite ring
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a pinch of translucent powder
a silver-buckled black leather belt
a silver-buckled black leather belt
a heavy black wool harness

On a weapon rack:
a black vultite katar engraved with zig-zagging runes
a silvery driftwood hilt
a gold-grained white pine hilt
a varnished red oak hilt
a blond thanot hilt
a silvery driftwood hilt
a gold-grained white pine hilt
a blond thanot hilt
a gold-grained white pine hilt
a gold-grained white pine hilt
a silvery driftwood hilt
a silvery driftwood hilt
an age-darkened horn hilt
an age-darkened horn hilt
an age-darkened horn hilt
an age-darkened horn hilt
a swirled jade hilt
a swirled jade hilt
a swirled jade hilt
a silvery driftwood hilt

Obvious items: 110

[Makkah]

Let him rot in hell.

[Sean of the Thread]

$400 just so I can act masturbate in tssw all day then face plant down the well.

[Makkah]

Don't you have 1000 better things to spend money on, Sean? Really?

[Widgets]

He'll come with just over 2million in the bank at end of sale.

Items of note are pure coraesine flamberge with many abilities (Check Krakiipedia), Attuned crate, 7x longbow, 5x robe armor, two weapon displaying bandolier, dagger shirt. All hilts are 3-4x switchblade daggers, slabs are all fresh from EG, powders are all poison, parchments are Remove curse, Spirit Strike, Undisease and unpoison temp tattoos.

Enruned troll bones I believe, are 100 charges of Heroism AND Bravery. Also have a few heroism, bravery, well of life scrolls on me as well.

Cloak is pinworn, VLA. Bag is beltworn VLA, Satchel is beltworn LA. All other items are mostly just altered stuff.

[pabstblueribbon]

(nub)

[phantasm]

We gonna rock down to electric avenue.

[Swami71]

$500
just to help Widgets out.

[Danical]

Don't be an enabler!

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=45574

:love:


Wishing you the best (honest). Good luck.

[Swami71]

Level: 100 Deeds: 27
Experience: 28381512 Death's Sting: Sharp
Exp. to next TP: 988 Recent Deaths: 4
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 917489877
Physical TPs: 7 Mana: 307/307 max
(3952 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind is as clear as a bell.


:lol:

[Widgets]

:lol:

Yea, fucking Simu lag to blame for all that fo sho

[Sean of the Thread]

Don't you have 1000 better things to spend money on, Sean? Really?


If you thought I was serious you're dumber than I.



*I'm only up at this hour because I thought I had to work an OT shift from 12am to 2am and slept in preparation for an absurd amount of time. I was mistaken sadly. At least I got to watch the late night shows and they were pretty damned good tonight.

[radamanthys]

I don't think Kranar deletes accounts, fwiw.

[Widgets]

If you thought I was serious you're dumber than I.

Oh and by the way, anyone who DOES make an offer in this thread...The offer will be considered a serious bid.

As to not include the fuck wads who bid, such as yourself, when they don't mean it. So simply, either bid or don't.

[Sean of the Thread]

Consider them as serious as you want Tsin is still a joke.

[radamanthys]

Oh and by the way, anyone who DOES make an offer in this thread...The offer will be considered a serious bid.

As to not include the fuck wads who bid, such as yourself, when they don't mean it. So simply, either bid or don't.

I bid 1 HOJILLION silver pieces.

</fuck wad>

[Sean of the Thread]

Oh? we're being cereal now?

Make that 2 HOJILLION BEOTCH!

[pabstblueribbon]

We gonna rock down to electric avenue.

Fucking asshole. Im trying to sleep and now I have this goddamn song in my head on repeat.

Thanks for nothing.

[Makkah]

Sean, I have a level 27 rogue, you might be able to actually afford. Interested?

[Sean of the Thread]

I actually have a 27 rogue still.

[ZeP]

*dons his flame resistant suit*

Before I begin, say what you will about me and anything else concerning me you will likely say at this point in time. In the end, I'd like to think of myself as a stand up guy when it comes to gemstone, aside from the obvious flaws that I am very well aware of, like an addiction to this game that I have. I don't need the lot of you, whom most I don't know and aren't really close to, telling me something I already know right out the gate but if you want to by all means knock yourself out.

Originally, when I purchased Tsin I did it for numerous reasons, one of which was to just get that type of character out of an assholes hands, and I succeeded. Another was to obviously own the highest experience rogue in the game hands down, again, done. I've made a bunch of friends here and people with whom I will always consider friends for the most part and that's always a good thing to walk out of.

I've decided to sell Tsin, against my better judgement since that always plaques me down the road, instead of simply keeping him and playing other characters at the same time. I guess a part of me was impulsed on buying Tsin, that much I admit but I'm not at all regretful in doing so. For those always wanting to be in the know, I paid $2,000 for him, his attuned gear along with some other items of note in the locker which have long since sold and some spare coin. Do I consider that a fair price? Somewhat, considering the fact he is 4x cap, I'd say I got a fair value given today's market of newly capped characters can run around $400...So that multiplied by 4, as he's 4x capped, is roughly $1600...Tack on a silver value for the crate, which were sold this year at EG along with a coraesine weapon and I'd say the price was actually close to being right for everything.

Will people laugh and think it's absurd? Sure. And to me it's no different than spending thousands on a Lawn Gnome collection or anything else, so long as you enjoy it.

With that being said, would I like to get $2,000 out of this deal? Absolutely, and consider that my buyout. Do I expect to get $2,000 out of it? Not at all. Upon successful sale of this, I will also be asking Kranar or someone else capable to delete my PC usernames as to not be tempted to log on here and come back. Does that completely stop me? No cause I could make a new login if I had to, but it's a step at least in a direction.

Now, on with how this sales will run. I will be leaving this sale up, until the middle of next week (11/17) unless someone offers a buy out. Reason being is I want to give time for myself to tie up loose ends with those around me that still have dues from me, along with give anyone potentially interested time to think about a purchase or other questions they may have answered.

With that being said, I am starting off this sale at the normal price per any capped character, $400 and leaving a buyout of $2,000 which is what I paid. After the sale ends, it will be an account takeover and all information will be given to the new owner. I will make a second reply in this thread with all of his stats/skills etc along with a paste of his locker contents.

Anything that is listed in this thread, by me, WILL come with the purchase.

Minimum: $400

Current:

Buyout: $2,000

Will end 11/17 unless a buyout has been made.

I would like to purchase this with an arrangement so convoluted that I somehow do not end up losing anything. PM please, thank you.

[Belnia]

Character derivatives!

[Widgets]

I would like to purchase this with an arrangement so convulted that I somehow do not end up losing anything. PM please, thank you.

lol, it's so late for me right now to even understand what that means!

[Sean of the Thread]

I think it means "PM PLEASE,THANK YOU."

[Widgets]

I think it means "PM PLEASE,THANK YOU."

yea I thought he was being sarcastic about the PM...?

[ZeP]

Get your popcorn ready

http://www.gerrymay.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/to-popcorn.bmp

[Nuc]

What's the current bid on this? 400? I'll go 500 then

[Asha]

I actually have a 27 rogue still.

The one I gave you!!??

Also, I don't think you're going to get a good price for Tsin. Unless it's from his original player after he's caved in and come running back.
If I could change his name I'd pay 2k straight up.

[Jarvan]

I am not sure that even changing the name would be enough to erase all that is Tsin.

But on another note, wouldn't it be nice if Simu did offer this feature?

[Asha]

God.
Yes.

[Summertime]

This doens't have anything to do with Tsin, despite being freakishly abundant with TPs and skills, couldn't step out the gate unless he was glowing like a christmas tree and neck deep in zombies to keep him alive. >_<

Anywyas... interested in yer slabs (except the invar)

[Cephalopod]

Can I buy this, but not actually pay you (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=1014707&postcount=51) for it?

Having reread this thread (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=45574), wouldn't it make more sense to just sell your computer?

[Moonwitch]

Simu used to offer this feature for free. I had it done with two of my characters when we changed over to the web.



I am not sure that even changing the name would be enough to erase all that is Tsin.

But on another note, wouldn't it be nice if Simu did offer this feature?

[ElvenFury]

$500
just to help Widgets out.


What's the current bid on this? 400? I'll go 500 then

There you go.

[Sean of the Thread]

I want to help widgets out with a pleasant shopping experience.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/tsinde4.jpg

[Inspire]

Level: 100 Deeds: 27
Experience: 28381512 Death's Sting: Sharp
Exp. to next TP: 988 Recent Deaths: 4
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 917489877
Physical TPs: 7 Mana: 307/307 max
(3952 Phy converted to Mnt)


Ouch, Sharp sting? That's going to be expensive to pay off.




Current society status:
You are a Master in the Council of Light.

You have learned and are able to use the following abilities:
Sign of Recognition
Signal
Sign of Warding
Sign of Striking
Sign of Clotting
Sign of Thought
Sign of Defending
Sign of Smiting
Sign of Staunching
Sign of Deflection
Sign of Hypnosis
Sign of Swords
Sign of Shields
Sign of Dissipation
Sign of Healing
Sign of Madness
Sign of Possession
Sign of Wracking
Sign of Darkness
Sign of Hopelessness


Where is the rest of the society information? Are you intentionally hiding the rest of it? Does he have a society reset? Can he join any other society?

Wasn't he in Sunfist and you took him out? So you basically ruined this character as far as any society goes. (Unless you want to keep COL)

[BigWorm]

lolwidgets

[BigWorm]

First, this is your opinion. You're entitled to your opinion, but in the end, it's your opinion and not a fact. Not every capped character is given away for $400, and most if not all are worth far more than $400.

People shouldn't sell a capped character for less than $600 unless their desperate. It's also the desperate people giving shit away that is causing the market to suck.

So all in all, quit giving shit away for less than it's worth people.

Also, LOL at being 4x capped and still dying all the fucking time. I personally wouldn't buy Tsin only because you've ruined him. He used to be one of those people you never saw die, which made him intimidating, now you die all the time and the "coolness" factor that Tsin had is gone. Now he's just another pansy rogue who can't stay alive in the easiest area in the game.

While I agree that Widgets is fucktarded, you need to get the fuck over the fact that the market for Gemstone characters sucks.

Also, plenty of other post-cap rogues with much less experience that Tsin do just fine. Not everyone is a fucking idiot that wears robes at cap. Widget's training choices make Grendeg look like a super genius.

[Parkbandit]

http://420.thrashbarg.net/this_thread_delivers_ups_chick_amazon.jpg

I never thought it was possible.. but you actually made Tsin's reputation even worse.

Awesome job.

[pabstblueribbon]

Im still waiting for Tsin to try out swaggle.lic...

Congrats on pissing off the lich community last night chief.

[Morrff]

Also, LOL at being 4x capped and still dying all the fucking time. I personally wouldn't buy Tsin only because you've ruined him. He used to be one of those people you never saw die, which made him intimidating, now you die all the time and the "coolness" factor that Tsin had is gone. Now he's just another pansy rogue who can't stay alive in the easiest area in the game.


First bold part, No. Second bold part, No. Third bold part, NO.

I understand you were more directing his deaths toward hunting grounds, however Tsin's head always could be popped like a zit. As any capped character's can be from just about anyone if they know half of what they're doing(it's sad).

EDIT: :whocares:

[Sean of the Thread]

First, this is your opinion. You're entitled to your opinion, but in the end, it's your opinion and not a fact. Not every capped character is given away for $400, and most if not all are worth far more than $400.

People shouldn't sell a capped character for less than $600 unless their desperate. It's also the desperate people giving shit away that is causing the market to suck.

So all in all, quit giving shit away for less than it's worth people.

Also, LOL at being 4x capped and still dying all the fucking time. I personally wouldn't buy Tsin only because you've ruined him. He used to be one of those people you never saw die, which made him intimidating, now you die all the time and the "coolness" factor that Tsin had is gone. Now he's just another pansy rogue who can't stay alive in the easiest area in the game.



Would you put your big girl panties on stop your fucking whining already.

fucking pussy.

[Sean of the Thread]

First bold part, No. Second bold part, No. Third bold part, NO.

I understand you were more directing his deaths toward hunting grounds, however Tsin's head always could be popped like a zit. As any capped character's can be from just about anyone if they know half of what they're doing(it's sad).

EDIT: :whocares:


And yes I've popped his group of characters with an 80 sorc implosion before. Poor Tsin... rofl.

[Parkbandit]

Would you put your big girl panties on stop your fucking whining already.

fucking pussy.

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0006GKGUM.01-A1WQRNT5P5WWSJ._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Drew]

http://420.thrashbarg.net/this_thread_delivers_ups_chick_amazon.jpg




Hey, I order from Parts Express!!!

[Parkbandit]

Hey, I order from Parts Express!!!

If she delivered to my house, I would order from them all the time.

[Nuc]

600 on Tsin

[Atlanteax]

It's your own damn fault for even giving $2000 to a douchebag.

[AnticorRifling]

2 grand? Dude you could have bought like a thousand dollars worth of blow with that.


I went to public school and I approve this message.

[Widgets]

First, this is your opinion. You're entitled to your opinion, but in the end, it's your opinion and not a fact. Not every capped character is given away for $400, and most if not all are worth far more than $400.

People shouldn't sell a capped character for less than $600 unless their desperate. It's also the desperate people giving shit away that is causing the market to suck.

So all in all, quit giving shit away for less than it's worth people.

Also, LOL at being 4x capped and still dying all the fucking time. I personally wouldn't buy Tsin only because you've ruined him. He used to be one of those people you never saw die, which made him intimidating, now you die all the time and the "coolness" factor that Tsin had is gone. Now he's just another pansy rogue who can't stay alive in the easiest area in the game.

Apparently you never hunt Nelemar? A Capped character, regardless of XP and shit WILL die from there. And Ican assure you, most deaths of mine have resulted in either a CHARGE, or a Sentry Imploding me.

As for the other Tsin never dying, the reason was that he also had an MA Army. You're an idiot for thinking I can't stay alive in the easiest area of the game, considering it's impossible to dodge a charge due to Simu's retarded ways, even at 3x dodge and so forth. Aside from that, I haven't died from any creature attacking me via melee nor do I walk into Nelemar lit up like a xmas tree, if I did, I'd easily never get warded. What fun is that?

Bids updates

[Celephais]

Apparently you never hunt Nelemar? A Capped character, regardless of XP and shit WILL die from there. And Ican assure you, most deaths of mine have resulted in either a CHARGE, or a Sentry Imploding me.

As for the other Tsin never dying, the reason was that he also had an MA Army. You're an idiot for thinking I can't stay alive in the easiest area of the game, considering it's impossible to dodge a charge due to Simu's retarded ways, even at 3x dodge and so forth. Aside from that, I haven't died from any creature attacking me via melee nor do I walk into Nelemar lit up like a xmas tree, if I did, I'd easily never get warded. What fun is that?

Bids updates
So basically you're saying this rogue is no better than any other postcap rogue. Got it.

[BriarFox]

In my mind, Widgets has gone a good distance in redeeming Tsin. I give him kudos for it. The new buyer should continue it, assuming they care, and go through a very visible RP storyline to announce a change of attitude and perspective.

As for the griefers castigating Widgets out of some misguided sense of moral high ground, get over yourselves. It might be a poor decision to your minds, but it's his decision to make.

[Xaerve]

LOL - Widgets you're fucking retarded. I don't know why you keep buying shit only to use it for a week and resell it.

I hope you lose a decent bit of money for your own sake, maybe you'll actually learn a lesson this time and stop doing it in the future.

[Whimsi]

most if not all are worth far more than $400.

No. They are worth what people are willing to pay. That is all.

[Widgets]

So basically you're saying this rogue is no better than any other postcap rogue. Got it.

He's better than any other post cap rogue. Why? Because he has 21mil more XP...thus the ability to have a bit more leeway in what training you want done with it etc.

As for WTFPWNSIMU Manuevers in this game, Drizzsdt is just as good as dodging them as any other warrior with similar dodging skills...Because Simu doesn't even take some things into consideration for crap like that

[Widgets]

LOL - Widgets you're fucking retarded. I don't know why you keep buying shit only to use it for a week and resell it.

I hope you lose a decent bit of money for your own sake, maybe you'll actually learn a lesson this time and stop doing it in the future.

Apparently you missed the line where I said I'm 90% sure I won't get what I paid...But that could have been because you were either A) Too busy eating the twinky or B) Too busy fussing over what I do with my life.

Either or, I'm glad you care so much about me, and always have cared...Along with my financial stability. You would make a great financial adviser someday or one of those stalker folk.

[Morrff]

He's better than MOST other post cap rogues. Why? Because he has 21mil more XP then some...thus the ability to have a bit more leeway in what training you want done with it etc.

Fixed. Remember Tsin isn't the ONLY rogue to be above 2-3x cap

:whocares:

[inso]

So basically you're saying this rogue is no better than any other postcap rogue. Got it.

A 1x capped rogue who spent 13m on Azanoth's hcp plate (or armor shop full plate + stayed in GoS) would have had the equivalent of 36 more TD and been practically immune to death via charge. That only leaves the implosion- which gets everyone and is why most camp the third floor.

With the right training and even basic gear, the rogue could be very good. Widgets devalued it a good bit due to sting+needing a fixskill+leaving GoS+acting like a jackass threatening to 435 everyone who hunted in Nelemar.

[Widgets]

Fixed. Remember Tsin isn't the ONLY rogue to be above 2-3x cap

:whocares:

Correct. I was referring to newly capped rogues however, as Cel pointed out in his post. But yea, there are a few others with a good amount of XP..Ed...Kyal..Lucos etc

[Asha]

Not so much Ed.

[Morrff]

Correct. I was referring to newly capped rogues however, as Cel pointed out in his post. But yea, there are a few others with a good amount of XP..Ed...Kyal..Lucos etc

Yeah but you said "post cap". Knew what you meant.

And don't listen to the peanut gallery, do whatever the hell you want to. Although I myself think you have a purchasing/selling problem with this game as well, but since it's not my problem...well yeah, then it's not my problem nor my business.

:whistle:

[Widgets]

Yeah but you said "post cap". Knew what you meant.

And don't listen to the peanut gallery, do whatever the hell you want to. Although I myself think you have a purchasing/selling problem with this game as well, but since it's not my problem...well yeah, then it's not my problem nor my business.

:whistle:

Hell, I know I have a problem ;)

[Sam]

$981.61

Since that's the balance of my paypal account currently.

I will also need to buy some shackles so I can keep him as Brute's slave.

[BriarFox]

$981.61

Since that's the balance of my paypal account currently.

I will also need to buy some shackles so I can keep him as Brute's slave.

I'd laugh my ass off. Dress him in ratskins and rags.

[Widgets]

I'd laugh my ass off. Dress him in ratskins and rags.

Shoulda bought some stuff while I was at EG haha.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Apparently you missed the line where I said I'm 90% sure I won't get what I paid...But that could have been because you were either A) Too busy eating the twinky or B) Too busy fussing over what I do with my life.

I am so confused. I thought you got Tsin for free or something.

[Inspire]

In my mind, Widgets has gone a good distance in redeeming Tsin. I give him kudos for it. The new buyer should continue it, assuming they care, and go through a very visible RP storyline to announce a change of attitude and perspective.

As for the griefers castigating Widgets out of some misguided sense of moral high ground, get over yourselves. It might be a poor decision to your minds, but it's his decision to make.

Sorry, Widgets is EXACTLY like Tsin 2.0.

He was even trying to sell shit he didn't own during EG so he could buy something he couldn't afford.

He was begging me for money during EG so he could buy something, and then turned around and tried to buy my stuff, with money he didn't have, while at the same time trying to sell the thing he couldn't afford to pay for to someone else.

Widgets is a tool, a complete and utter tool. I was nice to him and he had to be an ass, so he deserves whatever he gets.


He shouldn't be trusted and he made Tsin's image worse IMO, not better because he showed that Tsin really isn't all that special. He just has a lot of XP and anybody who puts the time in can have that and a character with a much better rep.

The only way Tsin would have been improved is if Widgets wouldn't have been an attention whore, but god knows that's not possible.

[Lucos]

I'd laugh my ass off. Dress him in ratskins and rags.

Free to the person that buys him...

>l in sac in my cloak
In the veniom mesh sack you see a pair of torn brown leggings, a filthy beige scarf, a filthy peasant blouse, a pair of grimy sandals, a ravelled coarse rope belt, a dingy torn headscarf, and a threadbare cotton sack.

[Celephais]

Wait no... whoever buys tsin can have the fail sack, which would look amazing if that's all he wears.

You see Tsin.
He is wearing a faille sack.

>get fail sack
You remove a faille sack from in your gold coffer.
>chuckle
You chuckle.
>inspect fail sack
You carefully inspect your faille sack.
You estimate that a faille sack can store a medium-sized amount with enough space for any number of items.
You determine that you could wear the sack, attaching it to your belt. The sack appears to serve some purpose.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>anal fail sack
>
You analyze your faille sack and sense that the item is free from merchant alteration restrictions.
You can tell that the sack is as light as it can get and that its pockets could not possibly get any deeper.

[Widgets]

Wait no... whoever buys tsin can have the fail sack, which would look amazing if that's all he wears.

You see Tsin.
He is wearing a faille sack.

Get that shit deepened son!

[BriarFox]

he showed that Tsin really isn't all that special.

There was nothing special about Tsin in the first place. He just made a name for himself ripping people off and selling over-priced high-end items.

[BriarFox]

Wait no... whoever buys tsin can have the fail sack, which would look amazing if that's all he wears.

You see Tsin.
He is wearing a faille sack.

Awesome. And the peasant clothes, too, Lucos.

[Tea & Strumpets]

There was nothing special about Tsin in the first place. He just made a name for himself ripping people off and selling over-priced high-end items.

Way to kick Widgets when he is down. Don't you have a heart?

[BriarFox]

Way to kick Widgets when he is down. Don't you have a heart?

... ? The hell are you talking about?

[Tea & Strumpets]

... ? The hell are you talking about?

Oh, I misunderstood. My bad.

[Celephais]

Get that shit deepened son!
Seems it was your sack I found..


You can tell that the sack is as light as it can get and that its pockets could not possibly get any deeper.


http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/moozon/funny/Epic%20Fail/g-rated-condomi-female-bag-fail-ero.jpg

[Widgets]

Sorry, Widgets is EXACTLY like Tsin 2.0.

He was even trying to sell shit he didn't own during EG so he could buy something he couldn't afford.

He was begging me for money during EG so he could buy something, and then turned around and tried to buy my stuff, with money he didn't have, while at the same time trying to sell the thing he couldn't afford to pay for to someone else.

Widgets is a tool, a complete and utter tool. I was nice to him and he had to be an ass, so he deserves whatever he gets.


He shouldn't be trusted and he made Tsin's image worse IMO, not better because he showed that Tsin really isn't all that special. He just has a lot of XP and anybody who puts the time in can have that and a character with a much better rep.

The only way Tsin would have been improved is if Widgets wouldn't have been an attention whore, but god knows that's not possible.

qq..

You have no fucking clue what you are even talking about lol.

But hell, carry on. I'm not going to explain for the twentieth time the situations/circumstances that have happened during EG, and please...Tell me of all these items I was trying to sell that I never owned during EG?

The only item, I was looking to sell/value was the string, at which point WAS supposed to be mine since the owner had come to me about a 1:1 trade deal, which I told him I'd let him know the next day after talking to the person I knew who wanted that string. Once it was a go, I went ahead and was accepting of his offer, only to find out the offer had changed the following day.

So case in point, I was under the assumption that the string was mine, due to the original trade offer and wanted to make sure that the trade was in fact fairly equal in value.

I could care less what you think, and it seems you are so easily riled up by me for simply outing you and your horrible value on a capped character, that everyone knows and suddenly POOF, I'm a huge tool in your eyes.

:whocares:

Get over it, go sell your Amazingly capped Sorcerer for way more than 600...Or waste your time like everyone else so butt hurt in life here, that you have to spout off out the ass about other peoples life and shit.

If you want, I can turn into one of them and start really entering your business and not minding my own, like alot here...Or go about my own way as I've mostly done.

It's funny how only those immature ones, seem to think I am horrible, yet the ones who matter the most seem to think I'm a swell guy and understand how things work. Guess that's the difference between you and I.

Anyhow, Updated Bids again

[Widgets]

There was nothing special about Tsin in the first place. He just made a name for himself ripping people off and selling over-priced high-end items.

It's ok Ry, people just fail to understand that it was Mike with the shitty reputation, and don't quite grasp that concept that someone more note worthy of a good rep, is capable of bringing a character's rep out of the hole.

Some of them just seem to think that no matter who Tsin is, they are Tools, utter tools!

[BigWorm]

It's ok Ry, people just fail to understand that it was Mike with the shitty reputation, and don't quite grasp that concept that someone more note worthy of a good rep, is capable of bringing a character's rep out of the hole.

Some of them just seem to think that no matter who Tsin is, they are Tools, utter tools!

Too bad you're not that person worthy of a good rep.

[Widgets]

Too bad you're not that person worthy of a good rep.

Maybe in your eyes. See above quote

[Methais]

Apparently you never hunt Nelemar? A Capped character, regardless of XP and shit WILL die from there.

With very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very few exceptions, you almost have to try to die in Nelemar, especially on the third floor.


Free to the person that buys him...

>l in sac in my cloak
In the veniom mesh sack you see a pair of torn brown leggings, a filthy beige scarf, a filthy peasant blouse, a pair of grimy sandals, a ravelled coarse rope belt, a dingy torn headscarf, and a threadbare cotton sack.

Zombie Tsin?

Whoever buys Tsin should totally RP him as a zombie.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this (you selling Tsin a month or 2 after getting him) predicted on here a while back?

[Xaerve]

Fact based insults, always a winnar.

Good luck; you change your mind about things more than I change my socks... so I'm sure you'll back out of this one too or re-buy it at some point.

[Widgets]

Fact based insults, always a winnar.

Good luck; you change your mind about things more than I change my socks... so I'm sure you'll back out of this one too or re-buy it at some point.

I've never backed out of any sales or purchases I've done. Not one.

The re-purchasing however, well that's an entirely different story haha...And frankly, to me it's just something I laugh at cause I know it's a problem that doesn't really affect (Well, not supposed to affect or bother) anyone. But it's obvious that what I do for myself, bothers others for some unknown reason.

[Methais]

But it's obvious that what I do for myself, bothers others for some unknown reason.

I don't think it really bothers anyone so much as it just induces facepalms.

Just saying. I could care less either way.

But facepalms rock regardless. Right Worf?
http://thelifestream.net/forums/images/smilies/worffacepalm.gif

[Androidpk]

So why exactly are you selling him?

[bluesmith]

oh man, here we go again.

[Widgets]

I don't think it really bothers anyone so much as it just induces facepalms.

Just saying. I could care less either way.

But facepalms rock regardless. Right Worf?
http://thelifestream.net/forums/images/smilies/worffacepalm.gif

Worf reminds me of Beef Curtains. Thank you Methais!

[Asha]

lol
'anal fail sack'

[Monotonous]

I always wondered who the assholes were that made telemarketing, flashing website banners, and spam email profitable.

Discipline and self-control are amazing things. Also, Ritalin is a hell of a drug.

[Drunken Durfin]

As long as people are throwing out ideas for his outfit...



You see Composer the Scavenger.
He appears to be an Aelotoi.
He is tall and appears to be very young. He has tired grey-green eyes and blotchy skin. He has thinning, sandy blonde hair worn in two ponytails. He has a pock-marked face, a broken nose and stooped shoulders. He has awfully droopy eyelids that eclipse his eyes. He has a pair of oblique black-veined brilliant emerald bruised wings.
He has the tattooed words "shut up" on his neck.
He is in good shape.
He is wearing a feathered deep pink longcoat, a baby blue chemise, a feathered brocade sack, some feathered light pink trousers, and some delicate light pink slippers.

[Widgets]

I always wondered who the assholes were that made telemarketing, flashing website banners, and spam email profitable.

Discipline and self-control are amazing things. Also, Ritalin is a hell of a drug.

I'm actually taking adderal, but the doctor originally wanted me on Straterra...Just happens that my shitty insurance won't cover it.

Updated Bids as well.

[Fallen]

Meh, you should have stuck it out as Tsin.

[Widgets]

Meh, you should have stuck it out as Tsin.

I should have, and would love to. But as I and many others know, I got a problem Jack! :)

To say the least, I was offered a few other options to stay in the game, but it's not necessarily in my best interest anymore to stay here I think, regardless of phat lewt, offers, options etc.

I made alot of friends during my many years here, and won't forget that one bit

[Atlanteax]

My rogue, Atlanteax ... is way over the cap himself... but I haven't played him (or GS) for several years now, and cannot recall how much over the cap he was.

There's nothing extraordinary about Tsin other than an obscene amount of time spent script-hunting him.

[Fallen]

I would disagree. He has the most experience of any character in GS. There are several somewhat close to him, but that doesn't change the fact that there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of more hours into this character's progression than 99% of the population. Time is money.

[Atlanteax]

Again, "there's nothing extraordinary about Tsin other than an obscene amount of time spent script-hunting him."

[Fallen]

Again, "there's nothing extraordinary about Tsin other than an obscene amount of time spent script-hunting him."

The same could be said of every high level character in the game. Though if those are your parameters, again, I would disagree. Tsin has an attuned coraesine weapon, and an attuned auction-quality crate.

[Sean of the Thread]

3 HOJOILLION!

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Highest Experienced Rogue (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1021848#post1021848) 11-11-2009 06:09 PM Don't bid unless you mean it douchebag.

[Methais]

3 HOJOILLION!

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Highest Experienced Rogue (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1021848#post1021848) 11-11-2009 06:09 PM Don't bid unless you mean it douchebag.

I BID $1000!

[Asha]

I BID $1000!

I wish I could quote without italics.

[Methais]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Highest Experienced Rogue 11-12-2009 05:13 PM fuck off, go spam other threads with your bullshit

http://lingamish.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/image63.png

My bid still stands. I DARE YOU ALL TO BID AGAINST ME!!!!1

[Widgets]

A buy out is in the works, so even if your bid was legit Meth-head, it wouldn't matter nubbles sauce! ;)

[Methais]

Excuse me while I go cut myself.

[Radom]

wow that whole thread was fun to catch up on........... and it all started yesterday!

[Drunken Durfin]

Current: $1100 Matt


Matt who?

[Androidpk]

Matt Lauer.

[Widgets]

Matt who?

Not the Matt you know

[Drunken Durfin]

I am the Matt I know.

[Widgets]

I am the Matt I know.

Well, there's like 5 Matts!

[Widgets]

wow that whole thread was fun to catch up on........... and it all started yesterday!

Yup, proud of my fan club. People really do love me on the PC Forums, my life is complete now!

[Delias]

I lovingly read every word, because it was better than working. Since I'm at a computer, reading and typing, it looks like I am tremendously busy. So, thanks. Appreciate the help.

[Widgets]

I lovingly read every word, because it was better than working. Since I'm at a computer, reading and typing, it looks like I am tremendously busy. So, thanks. Appreciate the help.

haha, lucky bastard!

[Asha]

A serious bid for Tsin on the PC?

That would literally and technically be a first.

[Sean of the Thread]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Highest Experienced Rogue (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1022808#post1022808) 11-12-2009 04:51 PM SERIOUSLY KNOCK IT OFF. Patronizing fuck. Get off the fanclub bandwagon jeeze do you want to wipe my ass too?


OOOKAY YOU WANNA PLAY ???? $1300 HOJILLIONS!


http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/11/scarface_million.jpg

[ElvenFury]

OOOKAY YOU WANNA PLAY ???? $1300 HOJILLIONS!

Dude, for that much you could just buy GS and bring back dragons. You can do it!

[Widgets]

I told you guys, he's just like Tsin 2.0 -- It's probably just a made up name and a made up bid to get more money.

Butt hurt.


PS: To all you no lifers out there thinking I've been giving out neg rep to you all, wrong yet again. I have yet to give out any rep, and if I did....I'd gladly give you all my autograph as well if I did it. So omg, shocker...Fucking wrong again in your assumptions.

[Sean of the Thread]

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/douchebag-32667.jpg

[Asha]

Ewwwww

[Asha]

Or Mmmmmm actually, depending on what kind of individual you are.
Thanks a lot. Thanks.

[phantasm]

Gemstone has a long and storied history.
Tsin is a large name in that history for various reasons.
I would like to see this character go into the hands of someone that will do honor to the history of the game and could only serve to make the story of Tsin better.
I'm hoping warclaidhm buys him.

[Widgets]

Gemstone has a long and storied history.
Tsin is a large name in that history for various reasons.
I would like to see this character go into the hands of someone that will do honor to the history of the game and could only serve to make the story of Tsin better.
I'm hoping warclaidhm buys him.

Damn you, so much for secret buyers!

FOILED!

Edit: Tomorrow I'll be updating the original post to better reflect his current BPs and Coins..

[Widgets]

Bumpsky. Updated.

Changed the Buy Out, since I really am not looking forward till Wednesday to sell...He now almost has 250k Bounty Points, which can be used for a fixskills for the new owner of whatever else they want.

Also now has over 2mil in coins.

Still a great buy IMO at the price, with the attuned items and the option of a fixskills if you want him to change training.

[Sean of the Thread]

OONNNNEEE CENT MORE!!!!!



$1100.01

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Highest Experienced Rogue (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1023235#post1023235) 11-14-2009 05:52 PM Stop ruining my sale, and my life.



http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/files/2009/02/the-count2.jpg

[Widgets]

OONNNNEEE CENT MORE!!!!!



$1100.01

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Highest Experienced Rogue (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1023235#post1023235) 11-14-2009 05:52 PM Stop ruining my sale, and my life.



http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/files/2009/02/the-count2.jpg

Wow, I have a really huge fan if someone is leaving neg rep, in disguise as me...rofl.

[Sean of the Thread]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Highest Experienced Rogue (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1024218#post1024218) 11-15-2009 10:13 AM Seriously, stop being butt hurt and trying to whipe my ass you ass hole. Go piss in someone elses thread whom isn't a moron.
NO U!

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/heylookyhere/pissing_elephant.jpg

[Widgets]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Highest Experienced Rogue (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1024218#post1024218) 11-15-2009 10:13 AM Seriously, stop being butt hurt and trying to whipe my ass you ass hole. Go piss in someone elses thread whom isn't a moron.
NO U!

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/heylookyhere/pissing_elephant.jpg

Must be Inspire, seems he's taken a liking to me the most.

I'll add him as the number one fan. Thanks Sean for posting the amusing rep, and not so amusing picture :(

[Asha]

No in all seriousness that picture was spot on.

[Coin]

Sounds like some of you (Not that many by the way) are jealous of this guy making some good money or something. I mean really, if you who are jealous were really smart, you would be trying to build up the Gemstone 4 market, not trying to break it down and devalue it by making it harder for people to sell their characters.

I MEAN HELLO! MCFLY!!! Gemstone 4 is currently one easy way for people to make money, and by doing what, playing a game all day? Having a fuckin blast? Geez...I guess you should just go grab a sweaty old rag and wash some cars for 8 hours a day making $6.50 an hour. Monday-Friday. (That's just an example. There are way worse jobs out there than that - and they aren't getting any easier to come by).

If done correctly, you could make a decent amount of money in a short amount of time by buying/selling Gemstone 4 silver, items, and characters.

So I guess my question is...WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE WANT TO RUIN THAT????????

Sorry.....just had to vent.

PS - The economy ain't all that pretty lately guys. One less way to make money is not a good thing. You know what while we're at it, why don't we just start a bonfire at the next simu convention (we'll all go this time just for the fun of it), and we'll each toss all of our money and assets into the fire. Wallets and everything. Purses too. And then afterwards we can put the fire out with our piss. Cuz thats basicly what is happening when and if the Gemstone 4 market dissapears.

[Sean of the Thread]

Dick licker.

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/cool_story_bro.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/facepalm.jpg

[Coin]

You know what scratch that. Make it Monday through Saturday. I've worked at a couple of those car wash places. Usually your boss will ask you to come in on one of your days off.

[Widgets]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/cool_story_bro.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/facepalm.jpg

lol...First time I've seen this pic.

[Coin]

Wait, the story is not over yet. Then, when you get your measly paycheck after busting your ass so hard that you popped your back out bending over so much on the frontline, then you can breath another sigh of relief when they tax the shit out of your paycheck and leave you with even less than the bare minumum you set the bar at because you already knew you wouldn't get the same amount for that week that you added up on your calculator. So you already expected to get less, and then you end up with EVEN LESS.

I mean this shit selling stuff over gemstone is completely TAX FREE and under the table. That's called a SWEET deal. I mean I know I can't be the only one that sees the advantages of this.

Let me guess - THE WOW MARKET. Fuck the WOW market. That will dry too one day if this one does.

[Solkern]

You know what scratch that. Make it Monday through Saturday. I've worked at a couple of those car wash places. Usually your boss will ask you to come in on one of your days off.


tell me, actually explain to me, how he is "making" money
since well, he paid 2000 and he's selling it for 1100

where is this making money?

[Coin]

tell me, actually explain to me, how he is "making" money
since well, he paid 2000 and he's selling it for 1100

where is this making money?

I'm talking about the market in general. Pissing and moaning about someone selling their character causes other people to think twice about selling their characters. It's a ripple effect. Or...at the very least, it causes them to sell their characters faster and for less money because they think they are running out of time before the entire market collapses.

Either way you look at it, it hurts things and doesn't help things. And you and everyone else on this entire board that buys and sells things will miss this market when it is gone. Mark my words. YOU WILL MISS IT.

[Solkern]

except I don't buy or sell anything on these boards, actually I'd bet atleast 70% of these people don't buy or sell shit on these forums, or hell, even play GS still

[Coin]

except I don't buy or sell anything on these boards, actually I'd bet atleast 70% of these people don't buy or sell shit on these forums, or hell, even play GS still

Then they mine as well close their eyes and turn their faces to the wall the next time a stack of money is set in front of them. What's your point?

[Morrff]

Then they mine as well close their eyes and turn their faces to the wall the next time a stack of money is set in front of them. What's your point?

Where's the music, this sounds like a shitty Geico add

[Celephais]

Wait, the story is not over yet. Then, when you get your measly paycheck after busting your ass so hard that you popped your back out bending over so much on the frontline, then you can breath another sigh of relief when they tax the shit out of your paycheck and leave you with even less than the bare minumum you set the bar at because you already knew you wouldn't get the same amount for that week that you added up on your calculator. So you already expected to get less, and then you end up with EVEN LESS.
Real jobs are awesome, you should give them a try.

[Coin]

Real jobs are awesome, you should give them a try.

Would those be the ones that are being shipped overseas or the ones that are being elimated all-together?

[Parkbandit]

Then they mine as well close their eyes and turn their faces to the wall the next time a stack of money is set in front of them. What's your point?

Aren't you still serving a lifetime ban from GSIV?

[ElvenFury]

Would those be the ones that are being shipped overseas or the ones that are being elimated all-together?

It's that place your mom would drive you too if you could pry her out of that massive dent in the couch.

[Coin]

Aren't you still serving a lifetime ban from GSIV?

I have no clue what you're talking about. But that's quite an imagination.

[Coin]

Real jobs are awesome, you should give them a try.

lol. Or are those the ones that Pasqual or Rashdeep are doing for $5 less an hour than what you are asking for?

[Sean of the Thread]

Served up just for you Coin aka douchenozz.

http://www.freewebs.com/the-ghost-called-life/eat-shit.jpg

[Coin]

Alright, maybe some of you are right. After all, we are experiencing a JOBLESS recovery, I suppose it's time to celebrate. The good news is, the tequilla is on Pasqual. He's saved up a bunch of money by undercutting you're job pool and living with his 15 cousins in his 1 bedroom apartment complex called Rio Vista.

The bad news is that the bottles are in the back of his trunk and some of them are half drunken because he had a garbage bin/kegger party down at the forest preserve (I've seen um do it, I'm from the mid-west), and so there isn't much time left before it's all gone.

But worry not, the worms are still somewhat fresh at the bottom. Just a little warmed by the Sun.

[Some Rogue]

Obviously, this is LORD PACO THE GREATEST GSIV CHARACTER OF ALL TIME, OF ALL TIME!!!!

[Celephais]

Would those be the ones that are being shipped overseas or the ones that are being elimated all-together?


lol. Or are those the ones that Pasqual or Rashdeep are doing for $5 less an hour than what you are asking for?
Seem to be getting yourself confused with yourself, but if you're any good at it you don't have to worry about your job being shipped overseas, I'm certainly not. Results from outsourcing generally suck, if it's anything more than data entry.

I hardly think "Selling gemstone virtual shit" is a solution to whatever economic problem you're having.

[Coin]

Obviously, this is LORD PACO THE GREATEST GSIV CHARACTER OF ALL TIME, OF ALL TIME!!!!

Far from it. I already told you, I know both Razurn and Ursinus (brothers) and I also know both of the new characters they have started, or as Razurn told me the other day (because he was new to gemstone when he made it and his stats were questionable).

Of course, I know the real reason, and it was because people were constantly on his ass.

He's not that bad of a guy. He just got his ego deflated due to his own actions. What goes up must come down.

[Parkbandit]

I have no clue what you're talking about. But that's quite an imagination.

I didn't realize you were denying you are Kevin, of Warclaidhm fame.

[Coin]

I didn't realize you were denying you are Kevin, of Warclaidhm fame.

I'm not that guy either. But I am curious, why is he so "legendary" so to speak? Be it a bad name or a good name the guy is obviously famous.

I saw someone else talking about him coding stuff. Was he good in that area or what?

Someone has a signature of him killing someone else. And it being amusing. Was he poorly trained or what?

[Parkbandit]

I'm not that guy either. But I am curious, why is he so "legendary" so to speak? Be it a bad name or a good name the guy is obviously famous.

I saw someone else talking about him coding stuff. Was he good in that area or what?

Someone has a signature of him killing someone else. And it being amusing. Was he poorly trained or what?

You realize you are about a month early for my birthday, right?

I usually question people bearing gifts like this... So what's the occasion?

[Celephais]

Wow, those are some thinly veiled questions alright. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth PB (I had to look that up the other day because it made no fucking sense, turns out you can tell how old horsii are by looking at the teeth, so in days of yon, if some dude gave you a horse, and you looked at the teeth right away it'd be like checking the price tag on a gift).

[Odysia]

One of those deaths was my fault, huh, Widgets? Sorry. I didn't expect Tsin to be so squishy against weakling ranger 635.

Best of luck with your sale.

[Widgets]

One of those deaths was my fault, huh, Widgets? Sorry. I didn't expect Tsin to be so squishy against weakling ranger 635.

Best of luck with your sale.

haha it was alright Ody. I was just having a VERY bad weekend that go around in Nelemar, I think that was the third death in like an hour for me. Was when the game was laggy too if I recall.

[ElvenFury]

Wow, those are some thinly veiled questions alright. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth PB (I had to look that up the other day because it made no fucking sense, turns out you can tell how old horsii are by looking at the teeth, so in days of yon, if some dude gave you a horse, and you looked at the teeth right away it'd be like checking the price tag on a gift).

Did you know that "Happy as a clam" is actually short for "Happy as a clam at high tide"? Well, it is. People harvest clams at low tide, and being safe makes clams happy. Because, really, what more can a clam ask for?

...we now return you to your regularly programed asshatery...

[Sean of the Thread]

Do you know that catching scallops is a pain in the ass to catch by hand. They look like slow stupid clams when shut but they move fast as fuck...

now back to your aforementioned asshattery since I'm hungry for scallops now.

[Coin]

I hardly think "Selling gemstone virtual shit" is a solution to whatever economic problem you're having.

I never said it would solve America's economic crisis. I did say that it was an easy way to make some money. If you can refute that please do.

It's the people who spend all day refuting that who ruin it for the rest of us.

Wheres the smiley beating his head against the wall? :club: <--- That one works just as good.

[Coin]

It's simple math my friend. WE together set the market. If all of us together say a level 50 sorcerer is worth $400. Then it's worth $400. If we say it's worth $2, then it's worth $2.

No matter what we say it's worth, you still pay the same amount of money to play the game. Now obviously we can't set the market too outrageously high, but we can certainly set it higher than what it currently is at. At anytime we could bring the market back to what it was 7 years ago. At any time we want to. We just have to all agree on it.

If someone has a problem with a level 50 sorcerer being $400, then they would just have to be short a level 50 sorcerer. It's the way it was then, it's the way it could be now. We determine how much money we put into our pockets. Us and no one else. So if the market is shitty now, we just have to look at ourselves in the mirror to find out why.

[Bobmuhthol]

Holy shit learn economics.

[Sean of the Thread]

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/104431d1237738421-funny-strange-random-pics-dumbass.jpg

[Coin]

You don't need it to figure it out. You spend the same amount of time playing, the same amount of money paying every month for the game, only you are getting a greater return on your investment in the above scenario. Ecomonics is not necessary.

It's TIME that we get payed for when we sell a virtual item. We lose nothing else in the process. At first glance it seems crazy, but then you have to ask yourself, how the fuck did it work before?

7 years ago a guy sold a level 50 rogue for $400. Now he sells it for like $50-100. He wonders why he feels like shit when he sells it. He continues to wonder until somebody (many people) solve the problem. At which point said person then smiles, and puts their money in the bank.

Economics 101.

[Bobmuhthol]

Are you fucking retarded?

[Odysia]

haha it was alright Ody. I was just having a VERY bad weekend that go around in Nelemar, I think that was the third death in like an hour for me. Was when the game was laggy too if I recall.

I figured you were just pissed off at me for killing you and weren't chatty :)

I was shocked at how squishy you were though. (our thorns aren't THAT good!) You need better than robes . . . or, er, the new owner does, that is:)

[mrjrd222]

http://cdn.screenjunkies.com/www/sites/default/files/South%20Park%20Kyle%202.jpg

[LMingrone]

Damn, I guess gone are the days of selling level 30 wizards for $1300 are gone. Sad. And why did you buy Tsin in the first place? Honest question. What was your plan for ROI?

[Sean of the Thread]

I don't think he had a plan. I think he was just retarded about the purchase... fucked the character up and decided to dump him.

I also think whatever bids he has got are fake currently.

[Sean of the Thread]

We should start a pool to buy it and then have a "pool" party by the well with his shit IG which will result in either me getting Tsin banned or going demonic.

It would be a blast and more legendary than that fuck ever was.

[Coin]

Look the bottom line is this.

Right now it's a buyer's market. It used to be a seller's market. A seller's market means more money in your pocket for your G4 stuff. A buyer's market means less money in your pocket for your G4 stuff. When it's a buyers marker it's great for the buyers (who are really sellers as well) and shitty for the buyers (who are really sellers as well). Chances are, if you're buying shit, you're also selling shit. So you're fucking yourself over with every transaction. You're taking a dump and then eating it when you could be eating at a 5 star restraunt.

Ok, so, first we need to find out who's fault it is that it's a buyers market at the moment. Is it

A. Simu's fault? No. They don't want to have to admit that it even takes place. Let alone have to talk about it.

B. Is it the paperboy's fault? No...he's throwing his paper's from the car window like he does everyday.

C. Our fault? This one seems more likely for some reason.

We can change it on a dime. Whenever we want to. It's that simple.

[Widgets]

I don't think he had a plan. I think he was just retarded about the purchase... fucked the character up and decided to dump him.

I also think whatever bids he has got are fake currently.

heh no, I don't bother faking bids. But that's your opinion

As for fucking him up, you really can't fuck up Tsin.

The only thing that fucks up someone, is walking in the open in Nelemar with having no chance to learn CHARGE for defensive purposes and dying to open rolls which result in 190+.

Apparently you personally, don't know much about that part of the game, where even Drizzsdt still dies there...Guess he fucks himself up too, considering he should have more redux etc than me...Go figure?

[Widgets]

We should start a pool to buy it and then have a "pool" party by the well with his shit IG which will result in either me getting Tsin banned or going demonic.

It would be a blast and more legendary than that fuck ever was.

Considering how many people are so interested in my life, I'm sure you could easily ask the 30 of them to put in 50 bucks each to pay the 1500 for Tsin...Then just leg fuck him till your balls fall off.

[LMingrone]

If I was a rich man, I'd buy him...sell all his non-attuned stuff, and break out a tin tip cup, my "shackles etched with a stylized "T", and my bum clothes. Then have him set up with my beg script in TSC.

[Parkbandit]

Look the bottom line is this.

Right now it's a buyer's market. It used to be a seller's market. A seller's market means more money in your pocket for your G4 stuff. A buyer's market means less money in your pocket for your G4 stuff. When it's a buyers marker it's great for the buyers (who are really sellers as well) and shitty for the buyers (who are really sellers as well). Chances are, if you're buying shit, you're also selling shit. So you're fucking yourself over with every transaction.

Ok, so, first we need to find out who's fault it is that it's a buyers market at the moment. Is it

A. Simu's fault? No. They don't want to have to admit that it even takes place. Let alone have to talk about it.

B. Is it the paperboy's fault? No...he's throwing his paper's from the car window like he does everyday.

C. Our fault? This one seems more likely for some reason.

We can change it on a dime. Whenever we want to. It's that simple.

I think Bob said it best:


Are you fucking retarded?

[Coin]

I think Bob said it best:

Look, if I'm wrong..then prove me wrong.

Like I said above:

In a buyer's market: You're taking a dump and then eating it when you could be eating at a 5 star restraunt with a seller's market (and in this case you are creating it). If you like eating your own shit then by all means keep the prices for Gemstone 4 stuff low, and then resell it for low. If you want some fuckin cash in your pocket, play the game, the same way you always do, change nothing, and sell for more. People will buy. I see people drop a grand in the casino and come out with their head down every time I go. Some win, given, but most lose. And they keep losing time after time. I saw a lady spit on the glass of the machine right after she lost all her money. In front of everybody. And then move to the machine right next to the one she spit on and started playing that one. No joke. At least with the Gemstone 4 market, you are guaranteed a return on your investment.

I mean really, what's so hard to grasp about that?

PS - I keep going back to the casino as well. Not because I hope to win (I usually spend 20-40 dollars at the most everytime) but because I already know I'm going to have fun buying the $2 margaritas and playing the game of chance - which equals out to another guaranteed return on my investment.

[LMingrone]

WTF are you talking about? Yes, that is really hard to grasp, because it makes no sense. Paperboy? Really? Look at me, I'm a strawman!

[Parkbandit]

Look, if I'm wrong..then prove me wrong.

Like I said above:

In a buyer's market: You're taking a dump and then eating it when you could be eating at a 5 star restraunt with a seller's market (and in this case you are creating it). If you like eating your own shit then by all means keep the prices for Gemstone 4 stuff low, and then resell it for low. If you want some fuckin cash in your pocket, play the game, the same way you always do, change nothing, and sell for more.

I mean really, what's so hard to grasp about that?

If I prove you wrong, are you willing to admit that you are Kevin, of Warclaidhm fame? Otherwise, giving you a lesson in 4th grade Economics is probably not worthy of my talents, time or effort.

Also, the only way you can prove you are Kevin of Warclaidhm fame is with a picture... you can't just say you are Warclaidhm. I need proof, and according to youtube.com, you aren't shy about using a camera or video recording device.

[inso]

Current: $1100 Matt

Buyout: $1,500

Will end 11/17 unless a buyout has been made.

So this ended yesterday, right? Did "Matt" win?

[Sean of the Thread]

"Matt" rofl

[Coin]

If I prove you wrong, are you willing to admit that you are Kevin, of Warclaidhm fame? Otherwise, giving you a lesson in 4th grade Economics is probably not worthy of my talents, time or effort.

Also, the only way you can prove you are Kevin of Warclaidhm fame is with a picture... you can't just say you are Warclaidhm. I need proof, and according to youtube.com, you aren't shy about using a camera or video recording device.

You can't prove this theory wrong because it works Brother!! See here's the thing. The only arguement I can see you coming up with is that if you spend more to buy a character/silver/items that costs more than you cancel out everything anyways. Which is total bullshit...because:

A. You can become a buyer whenever you want. That's totally your own fault if you start buying tons of shit at higher prices right out of the gate. If you remain purely a seller for a long time, you will reap the benefits that come with having a seller's market, because all you will be doing is selling: IE - Making more money for yourself. Now given we can't all be purely sellers because in that case it would cancel everything out. But guess what, life never works that way, so we don't have to worry about it. There are always buyers and sellers in EVERY market. And there always will be.

B. When and if you choose to become a buyer, hopefully you will have already made a shit load more money off of selling in a seller's market than you would have ever in a buyer's market anyway, so it's a win win situation.

C. It works.

D. Some people will end up losing in the beginning, because they will be the original buyers. But guess what, go back up to the casino post I put above - the people who start out buying don't give a fuck anyways, they usually want the item so bad that they will spend the extra money to get it. A true buyer will dish out another $200 bucks if it guarantees them what they want. Which works way better than playing a slot machine for them, because at least in that case, they didn't lose $1,000 and gain nothing in return, they spent an extra $200.00 and got what they wanted.

Besides, when buyers turn into sellers, they always sell their shit for more, because they are always looking for a return on their investment. Why would they want exactly what they paid? It doesn't bode well for them. So in that case they are ALWAYS getting something extra back either way. No matter what. And the seller's in this case are always coming out on top, because they are making more money for their shit.

And either way you look at it, even if the prices were back to the 2001-2002 years, there will still be people buying. If they don't have a choice, and if it's something they really want, they will buy it. It works that way with everything in life.

It's the exact same process we are using now, it's just a better version of it. It's like AOL 2.0 as opposed to AOL 9.0. Or DOS as opposed to Windows if you want to look at it that way. It's just a more efficient way of doing it.

[LMingrone]

Look, if I'm wrong..then prove me wrong.

Like I said above:

In a buyer's market: You're taking a dump and then eating it when you could be eating at a 5 star restraunt with a seller's market (and in this case you are creating it). If you like eating your own shit then by all means keep the prices for Gemstone 4 stuff low, and then resell it for low. If you want some fuckin cash in your pocket, play the game, the same way you always do, change nothing, and sell for more. People will buy. I see people drop a grand in the casino and come out with their head down every time I go. Some win, given, but most lose. And they keep losing time after time. I saw a lady spit on the glass of the machine right after she lost all her money. In front of everybody. And then move to the machine right next to the one she spit on and started playing that one. No joke. At least with the Gemstone 4 market, you are guaranteed a return on your investment.

I mean really, what's so hard to grasp about that?

PS - I keep going back to the casino as well. Not because I hope to win (I usually spend 20-40 dollars at the most everytime) but because I already know I'm going to have fun buying the $2 margaritas and playing the game of chance - which equals out to another guaranteed return on my investment.

That's exactly the point. I go to the casino all the time, not thinking I'm gonna walk out with a fat wallet, but for fun, entertainment. You used to be able to make a good profit playing this game. It bought me a car and a years worth of spending money when I went to college. Someone buying Tsin, thinking they're going to make money is retarded. GS isn't a micro version of the macro economy, it's a dieing game. I guess my point is: don't try to MAKE money off of it anymore. Those days are gone.

[m444w]

Real jobs are awesome, you should give them a try.

You have to have more than a 6th grade education to get a real job..
:bashing:

[Coin]

You can't prove this theory wrong because it works Brother!! See here's the thing. The only arguement I can see you coming up with is that if you spend more to buy a character/silver/items that costs more than you cancel out everything anyways. Which is total bullshit...because:

A. You can become a buyer whenever you want. That's totally your own fault if you start buying tons of shit at higher prices right out of the gate. If you remain purely a seller for a long time, you will reap the benefits that come with having a seller's market, because all you will be doing is selling: IE - Making more money for yourself. Now given we can't all be purely sellers because in that case it would cancel everything out. But guess what, life never works that way, so we don't have to worry about it. There are always buyers and sellers in EVERY market. And there always will be.

B. When and if you choose to become a buyer, hopefully you will have already made a shit load more money off of selling in a seller's market than you would have ever in a buyer's market anyway, so it's a win win situation.

C. It works.

D. Some people will end up losing in the beginning, because they will be the original buyers. But guess what, go back up to the casino post I put above - the people who start out buying don't give a fuck anyways, they usually want the item so bad that they will spend the extra money to get it. A true buyer will dish out another $200 bucks if it guarantees them what they want. Which works way better than playing a slot machine for them, because at least in that case, they didn't lose $1,000 and gain nothing in return, they spent an extra $200.00 and got what they wanted.

Besides, when buyers turn into sellers, they always sell their shit for more, because they are always looking for a return on their investment. Why would they want exactly what they paid? It doesn't bode well for them. So in that case they are ALWAYS getting something extra back either way. No matter what. And the seller's in this case are always coming out on top, because they are making more money for their shit.

And either way you look at it, even if the prices were back to the 2001-2002 years, there will still be people buying. If they don't have a choice, and if it's something they really want, they will buy it. It works that way with everything in life.

It's the exact same process we are using now, it's just a better version of it. It's like AOL 2.0 as opposed to AOL 9.0. Or DOS as opposed to Windows if you want to look at it that way. It's just a more efficient way of doing it.

Look, all I'm saying is read this what I just quoted here. And find the flaw in it. I am willing to bet that you won't because it works. But, if you do find the flaw, please, explain it. And I will surrender my arguement.

Guys, believe it or not, I'm not posting all this shit to pass the time. I'm posting it because it's the solid way to make more money. For everyone. Not just for myself. But for everyone. There is no reason to hate it, but there is every reason to love it.

[pabstblueribbon]

Look, all I'm saying is read this what I just quoted here. And find the flaw in it. I am willing to bet that you won't because it works. But, if you do find the flaw, please, explain it. And I will surrender my arguement.

Guys, believe it or not, I'm not posting all this shit to pass the time. I'm posting it because it's the solid way to make more money. For everyone. Not just for myself. But for everyone. There is no reason to hate it, but there is every reason to love it.


You will never make more money than you've spent.

You're fucking stupid if you can't figure that out.

Also just because you state you're not posting this shit to pass the time doesn't validate your argument because you are "srs buisiness bout gemstone".

[Coin]

You will never make more money than you've spent.

You're fucking stupid if you can't figure that out.

That's a dead wrong arguement.

If I sell 10 things and buy 1 thing, how am I not making more money than what I spent?

[ElvenFury]

Someone went off their meds recently.

[Coin]

Someone went off their meds recently.

Either that, or you're not interested in making more money.

[LMingrone]

Here's how to prove your argument. Post what you've spent on the game against how much you've made. And if what you're saying is truth, why not post numbers. Like I said before. I played as a teenager and made more money playing a fun game, than I would have made working a normal job. If you're looking at this game as extra income, you'd make more now collecting cans nowadays.

[Mogonis]

If you're still playing only to [try to] make money, please quit today.

[pabstblueribbon]

You pay a monthly fee to access this game dont you? You have to pay for the ISP yes? Electricity?

You will not make a profit, you should probably look that word up, playing gemstone.

God damn you're fucking dense.

[Bobmuhthol]

The worst part is there are people who honestly believe arguments similar to Coin's.

[Coin]

Here's how to prove your argument. Post what you've spent on the game against how much you've made. And if what you're saying is truth, why not post numbers. Like I said before. I played as a teenager and made more money playing a fun game, than I would have made working a normal job. If you're looking at this game as extra income, you'd make more now collecting cans nowadays.

Thats BS. You wanna walk around and collect cans dude? Seriously? Is that as much fun? Does it really pay as much? Do you like digging through the trash? Are the homeless people gonna get there before you?

Really. My sales record has nothing to do with it. It is a win win situation for everybody. The only problem is getting everyone to agree on it. Which is like trying to find a needle in a haystack, because people don't always do what is best for them, in fact, in most cases, they stick with the status quo. Whether it's better for them or not. Just because it's already there.

[Coin]

You pay a monthly fee to access this game dont you? You have to pay for the ISP yes? Electricity?

You will not make a profit, you should probably look that word up, playing gemstone.

God damn you're fucking dense.

Are we not all paying for that stuff anyways? To my knowledge, has Gemstone 4 raised their prices lately? No.

We will pay the same to play even in a seller's market. What you don't seem to be grasping is that we are both buyers AND sellers right now anyway. But the only problem is that we have either knowingly or unknowingly tilted the market in the buyers favor, which is shit. When we could tilt it in the seller's favor, which is perfect. For buyers as well. Because like I said, they almost always sell the same thing they bought for more. Almost always.

In this way, buyers will pretty much break even. And sellers will gain more. Buyers don't really lose too much. And sellers win.

If a buyer sells their stuff for a million to 2 million more than what they buy it for (when it's good stuff they are selling) then they are making up for the extra cost that they initially lost due to the increased prices. Just like they do now with the decreased prices. It's the same process for them. They are really breaking even in most cases. But the sellers are always winning. And you can become a seller whenever you want to. Or a buyer whenever you want to. Just like it is now.

[ElvenFury]

If ranting like this all day is what you like to do, you're probably better off being an Amway rep.

[Bobmuhthol]

You're trying to convince an entire population to participate in collusion. Microeconomic theory proves time and time again that there is an incentive for players to undercut prices for personal gain. Every time. Thus, your argument is wrong. Every time. Please stop posting now.

[LMingrone]

No, it would actually pay more. I don't dig through trash, but I give the guys (probably veterans) my cans once a week. And I can promise you. Their Time vs. money is much higher than playing GS.

The fucking point thickhead is that GS isn't a money maker anymore. Keep using silly strawman analogies though, it's funny.

[Sean of the Thread]

The worst part is there are people who honestly believe arguments similar to Coin's.


Inspire comes to mind...

[Morrff]

It's a buyers market because less and less people are playing now, which with people closing out their accounts and selling out. There happens to be an influx of items and less players to use them.

As for characters, the same has happened except there's MORE characters that have been created over the years and as people leave and sell their characters, there's less players+more characters = less cash for those since there's more.

Also the RL economy's affecting what "most" people with daily budgets will spend on what items/characters from the game.

/2 cents

If you don't understand that now, then you're just not going to. Oh and BTW it's what someone WILL pay for something, not what the seller WILL sell something for like you aforementioned.

:whistle:

[Coin]

It's a buyers market because less and less people are playing now, which with people closing out their accounts and selling out. There happens to be an influx of items and less players to use them.

As for characters, the same has happened except there's MORE characters that have been created over the years and as people leave and sell their characters, there's less players+more characters = less cash for those since there's more.

Also the RL economy's affecting what "most" people with daily budgets will spend on what items/characters from the game.

/2 cents

If you don't understand that now, then you're just not going to. Oh and BTW it's what someone WILL pay for something, not what the seller WILL sell something for like to aforementioned.

:whistle:

So what you are saying is, people are playing less at the moment (perhaps it has a little to do with the market falling apart as well) which is a result of supply and demand. But guess what, no matter what the supply and demand is at the current moment, it can always be a sellers market as opposed to a buyers market. The only time we would all really see it fail no matter what is if we were to lose lets say another 100-200 players like the other person said in the other thread. If that doesn't happen however, and even if the population stays the same, we can still use the seller's market model and make more money in the long run. If the population increases, the seller's market model becomes even better. And it keeps getting better as the population increases. But right now, there are more than enough buyers to make lots of profit in a seller's market. Is that not what happens in the stock market in real life? People make bank in a sellers market, and shit in a buyers? Is that not the same exact science applied to this?

And this isn't the stock market in real life, so people buying things cheap in gemstone doesn't mean one day they will automatically get to sell them for alot if chance falls on their side and their stock goes up (randomly). This market, the Gemstone 4 market, is controlled by us. Not by random chance. So unlike the stock market in real life, we have total control over how much we make in it. It's not random at all. That's what I'm trying to tell you. It's better than the real market in that sense. Because we determine how much money we make. You don't get that opportunity in the real life stock market. You only dream about it.

[LMingrone]

You have no idea how economics or this game work. Just stop trying to dig yourself out of the hole you're in. The population will never increase by any large number. Falling prices on characters and silvers have nothing to do with the economy at large.

[Bobmuhthol]

Stock prices are not random.

[Coin]

So what you are saying is, people are playing less at the moment (perhaps it has a little to do with the market falling apart as well) which is a result of supply and demand. But guess what, no matter what the supply and demand is at the current moment, it can always be a sellers market as opposed to a buyers market. The only time we would all really see it fail no matter what is if we were to lose lets say another 100-200 players like the other person said in the other thread. If that doesn't happen however, and even if the population stays the same, we can still use the seller's market model and make more money in the long run. If the population increases, the seller's market model becomes even better. And it keeps getting better as the population increases. But right now, there are more than enough buyers to make lots of profit in a seller's market. Is that not what happens in the stock market in real life? People make bank in a sellers market, and shit in a buyers? Is that not the same exact science applied to this?

And this isn't the stock market in real life, so people buying things cheap in gemstone doesn't mean one day they will automatically get to sell them for alot if chance falls on their side and their stock goes up (randomly). This market, the Gemstone 4 market, is controlled by us. Not by random chance. So unlike the stock market in real life, we have total control over how much we make in it. It's not random at all. That's what I'm trying to tell you. It's better than the real market in that sense. Because we determine how much money we make. You don't get that opportunity in the real life stock market. You only dream about it.

Like I said...disprove it.

[Bobmuhthol]

I just did.

[Coin]

Stock prices are not random. The prices aren't but the return on them is. Unless of course they dump them right away before the demand goes up or down. In which case they only break even. Most people don't do that though. Because they are hoping to get a good return on their investment. The key word here is HOPING. In the G4 market, hope is not a factor. Because it's not a guessing game.

[Bobmuhthol]

WHAT THE FUCK?

[Coin]

You have no idea how economics or this game work. Just stop trying to dig yourself out of the hole you're in. The population will never increase by any large number. Falling prices on characters and silvers have nothing to do with the economy at large.

The population doesn't need to increase right now! As long as it stays the same. If it does increase all the better.

I wish you could understand this man. I really do. I feel sorry for the ones that don't. Like I said, they keep eating their own shit. And obviously they like the taste of it.

So I'll leave it at that.

[LMingrone]

I think we should all just let Coin invest all our money. We'll either be gajillionaires or living in a box.

[LMingrone]

The population doesn't need to increase right now! As long as it stays the same. If it does increase all the better.

I wish you could understand this man. I really do. I feel sorry for the ones that don't. Like I said, they keep eating their own shit. And obviously they like the taste of it.

So I'll leave it at that.

Leave it at that? I made thousands of dollars in profit playing this game in it's prime. I stopped playing when I knew it wasn't going to turn a time vs. $ profit, so don't preach to me. You wanna spend money to have some fun? Cool. But show me a plan that works and I'll buy into your babbling.

/I spent a bunch of money on Farmville today. FOR FUN.
//It's funny someone talking about supply and demand and then saying population doesn't need to increase.

[Bobmuhthol]

Like Coin, I feel sorry for the 7 billion people in the world that simply can't make socialism work.

[Coin]

And yet not one person. Not one, has been able to successfully explain in detail why a seller's market would not work right now. It's two sides of the same coin, only one of them pays better!

[Coin]

The fact that we even have the ability to set the prices on commodities that we don't even own not just when there is a majority demand for them but because thats simply the way we want it is proof right there that what we have here in the Gemstone 4 market is a fucking stock investers wet dream! It's just a matter of operating it to our advantage.

The seller's market is the way to do that.

[ElvenFury]

And yet not one person. Not one, has been able to successfully explain in detail why a seller's market would not work right now. It's two sides of the same coin, only one of them pays better!

Just like you haven't proven you didn't rape and kill a girl in 1990?

[LMingrone]

I figured it out. Coin is Bernard Madoff's alt. He's looking for a new market.

[Coin]

Alright, and when all of you guys are done thinking about my arguements, if this stuff doesn't get implemented here, than keep feeling like crap when you sell your level 50 rogue that if you got him/her there yourself must have taken you a shit load of time, keep on selling that puppy for $50-$100 a pop...and wonder why you feel so bad when you do. When it doesn't have to be that way folks. It just doesn't.

[LMingrone]

You got to be a troll. Comparing a puppy to a stupid text MMO rpg. I heard you are a Nazi, proove me wrong.

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/1248582307944.jpg

[Widgets]

Hey Buddy,

If that is a coraesine two-hander is a pure, attuned weapon (a la Krakiipedia). I'll offer 1100 for Tsin. Is there a way to purchase a change of Society? Why did you change his former training to what it is now? What does that attuned Crate do?

Hit me up at my AIM or PM me back.
~Matt

This is Matt, however Matt and I had run into some difficulties that don't need explaining any further. Because of which, I sent a PM to Brute letting him aware of the situation and if he wanted, he could still purchase Tsin. Brute however no longer had the budget he once posted (986.61) and was unable to pay also but was at least happy I kept him in the loop.

Because of all of this, I'm just going to hold onto Tsin until an offer of 1500 comes to fruition. If not, so be it, I'll still be playing him in the meantime and just getting more XP/BPs what have you.

For all those in the need to know, Matt is real. I won't give out his PC Name, for saving his face and people wanting to hump his leg also for bidding on Tsin. If he ever wants to let those know who he is, he will. At this point though I see no need to simply say who he is/was.

The fact that he is real, was well enough for me. Sorry to break your hearts.

/end

[Parkbandit]

If I prove you wrong, are you willing to admit that you are Kevin, of Warclaidhm fame? Otherwise, giving you a lesson in 4th grade Economics is probably not worthy of my talents, time or effort.

Also, the only way you can prove you are Kevin of Warclaidhm fame is with a picture... you can't just say you are Warclaidhm. I need proof, and according to youtube.com, you aren't shy about using a camera or video recording device.

Offer still stands...

[LMingrone]

I think the PC would assplode if there was ever another picture of claid. Please don't ask for that PB. Please.

[Solkern]

Coin, I just wanted to thank you....

for making me feel much dumber then I already am.

You sir, are a fucking retard.

[Coin]

Put it like this:

When you go to your broker for the stock market, do you tell your broker that you want to sell all of your shares of mcdonalds stock for $50 a share even though the market currently prices the shares at $5 a piece? No. You don't. And why don't you? Because not only would your broker look at you as if you were crazy, and burst out laughing, but also because of one plainly obvious reason. You aren't able to change the prices of the stock simply because you want to. Whenever you want to.

But where can you do that.....

Where is it possible to do that?

Here. In the Gemstone 4 market. Switch out the shares for items...we set the price of the G4 item (stock/commodity)...we all agree on that minimum price....and we all sell it for either that price or more than that price (because we have the power to do so)...and then we reap in profit. The only way the model works though is if everyone agrees on the minimum for the set prices.

[Parkbandit]

Hey Buddy,

If that is a coraesine two-hander is a pure, attuned weapon (a la Krakiipedia). I'll offer 1100 for Tsin. Is there a way to purchase a change of Society? Why did you change his former training to what it is now? What does that attuned Crate do?

Hit me up at my AIM or PM me back.
~Matt

This is Matt, however Matt and I had run into some difficulties that don't need explaining any further. Because of which, I sent a PM to Brute letting him aware of the situation and if he wanted, he could still purchase Tsin. Brute however no longer had the budget he once posted (986.61) and was unable to pay also but was at least happy I kept him in the loop.

Because of all of this, I'm just going to hold onto Tsin until an offer of 1500 comes to fruition. If not, so be it, I'll still be playing him in the meantime and just getting more XP/BPs what have you.

For all those in the need to know, Matt is real. I won't give out his PC Name, for saving his face and people wanting to hump his leg also for bidding on Tsin. If he ever wants to let those know who he is, he will. At this point though I see no need to simply say who he is/was.

The fact that he is real, was well enough for me. Sorry to break your hearts.

/end

I found out what the "difficulties" were by this secretly obtained copy of an email sent to Widgets.

Dear Sir,
Thanks for the reply to my initial offer. Unfortunately, I am unwilling to have gay sex with you as part of our agreement. My offer of 1100 is formally withdrawn, since you creeped me the fuck out. Please, don't ever contact me again, either by AIM or PM. I've also placed a restraining order on you with my local law enforcement for my own protection.

~Matt

PS - I hope you get fucked over by whoever is stupid enough to buy Tsin from you.


Notice the handwriting is exactly the same?

Yea, my proof is just as valid as yours.

[LMingrone]

It's a fucking game, not a nest egg. Once again, show me a money making plan for a GS player. And since you like using "prove me wrong" arguments...show me a money making plan for playing GS. I need math, not stupid mouth breathing.

[Parkbandit]

I think the PC would assplode if there was ever another picture of claid. Please don't ask for that PB. Please.

Are you fucking kidding me? I can't get enough of this kid. He's a fucking goldmine.

[inso]

So, just to recap:

1. Auction starts, $400 min $2k buyout.
2. A few people bid
3. Brute bids $986
4. "Mystery bidder" bids $1.1k
5. No one else bids, auction ends
6. "Mystery bidder" backs out
7. Widgets offers to take $986 from Brute, but can't because Brute moved on once the "mystery bidder" appeared.
8. ??????????????seller's market???????????????
9. Now you can buy Tsin for the low low price of $1.5k

Looks like Coin and Inspire have a new price-setting disciple.

[Parkbandit]

Put it like this:

When you go to your broker for the stock market, do you tell your broker that you want to sell all of your shares of mcdonalds stock for $50 a share even though the market currently prices the shares at $5 a piece? No. You don't. And why don't you? Because not only would your broker look at you as if you were crazy, and burst out laughing, but also because of one plainly obvious reason. You aren't able to change the prices of the stock simply because you want to. Whenever you want to.

But where can you do that.....

Where is it possible to do that?

Here. In the Gemstone 4 market. Switch out the shares for items...we set the price of the G4 item (stock/commodity)...we all agree on that minimum price....and we all sell it for either that price or more than that price (because we have the power to do so)...and then we reap in profit. The only way the model works though is if everyone agrees on the minimum for the set prices.

My offer still stands.

Please.. make 2009 the best year ever.

[Coin]

It's a fucking game, not a nest egg. Once again, show me a money making plan for a GS player. And since you like using "prove me wrong" arguments...show me a money making plan for playing GS. I need math, not stupid mouth breathing.

Alright well at least i'm posting something that works. I know it's hard to take the market away from buyers when they don't want to spend extra money on the items..so the chances of this actually happening even though it will benefit the buyers AS WELL, is slim to none...but what the hell are you doing? Your posting 3 sentences at a time. Mumbling something about nest eggs. Don't say I didn't try brother. Hopefully after studying this thread for awhile other people will see the bigger picture here. And change this shit for the better.

[LMingrone]

Are you fucking kidding me? I can't get enough of this kid. He's a fucking goldmine.

Anyone have his contact info? I'm producing a music video, and would love to have him going "star wars kid". But instead of a saber, he'll be using his mathbook of death.

[ElvenFury]

600 on Tsin

This isn't a valid bid? It's over the MB.

[LMingrone]

Alright well at least i'm posting something that works. I know it's hard to take the market away from buyers when they don't want to spend extra money on the items..so the chances of this actually happening even though it will benefit the buyers AS WELL, is slim to none...but what the hell are you doing? Your posting 3 sentences at a time. Mumbling something about nest eggs. Don't say I didn't try brother. Hopefully after studying this thread for awhile other people will see the bigger picture here. And change this shit for the better.

No dumbass, I'm working, making money, and laughing at someone who has no clue how things work. I should quit and make a few bucks a day playing a MUD. Yes, you can make a few extra bucks here and there. The glory days are over. You used to be able to make a daily paycheck playing. That was when it was one of the only MMORPGs out there. Keep smoking whatever you're smoking.

[Widgets]

So, just to recap:

1. Auction starts, $400 min $2k buyout.
2. A few people bid
3. Brute bids $986
4. "Mystery bidder" bids $1.1k
5. No one else bids, auction ends
6. "Mystery bidder" backs out
7. Widgets offers to take $986 from Brute, but can't because Brute moved on once the "mystery bidder" appeared.
8. ??????????????seller's market???????????????
9. Now you can buy Tsin for the low low price of $1.5k

Looks like Coin and Inspire have a new price-setting disciple.

Think what you want, I could care less at this point. The 1100 initial bid was real, and at the time I was under the assumption that he was practically sold.

But like usual, things come up. I don't need to explain myself further, nor will I out the PC Name of the last bidder so that idiots here can bother him also. I don't mind taking the brunt of the genetic retardation that is the PC, however I will not out him for his own sake so that he won't get bothered by people like I do.

Besides, I like my fan club and it wouldn't be cool to have someone else with such a large following, asking his shoe size and when he last took a shit.

[Mogonis]

You sound like Razurn now. No one cares about Tsin.

[Widgets]

You sound like Razurn now. No one cares about Tsin.

How I wish it were true...Oh how I wish. Maybe I'll shoot you some copies of my PMs and rep from people with no lives sometime to ya on Lich when I'm bored.

Then you can decide how many actually care about Tsin, enough to waste their non-existant life's time on it while not bettering their own.

Anyhow, least everyone knows the situation now. If any further details were to be expressed, I'm sure someone else involved could come forward if they want to.

Until then, the above is pretty much all that is needed to be known and really doesn't matter to anyone else but parties involved, but this is the PC after all...Where everyone wants to be in the spotlight

[Sean of the Thread]

$6 on Tsin.

I doubt he'll ever sell at any rate and if you say he does you're lying imo.

Seriously I never thought there would be a retard to top warclaidhm unless of course that is warclaidh however it/he/she seems more articulate but infinitely more stupid if that's possible.

[Coin]

My advice to the next person who sells a well trained rogue that they put a shit load of time into?

Sell that sucker for $300 instead of $100, let the person who buys it turn around and sell that sucker for $400, he makes an extra $100, you make an extra $200, the guy who buys it decides he's gonna go ahead and sell his rogue for $300 just like you did, the guy who buys his rogue is gonna sell it for $400 like he did with your rogue, and let the process continue until you people all end up making more money than you thought you could be making right now.

Let the whiners wine. And let the buyers buy. Sooner or later, everyone starts copying the process like Humans beings are inclined to do if they see something working for someone else, the G4 market becomes fun again, and worthwhile, and everyone comes out a little happier and a little more rich.

Yeah yer gonna have more people going for the $300 rogues, but if none of them are available they HAVE NO CHOICE but to go for the $400 rogues that are available, and the system works itself out.

Do that with any well trained character, then figure out how to do it with items and coins, and then start rackin in that cash.

[Methais]

Tsin Matt blah blah blah

Pretty sure I know who Matt is. No it's not me (that's my name too).


I'm not that guy either. But I am curious, why is he so "legendary" so to speak? Be it a bad name or a good name the guy is obviously famous.

I saw someone else talking about him coding stuff. Was he good in that area or what?

Someone has a signature of him killing someone else. And it being amusing. Was he poorly trained or what?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/25pseoh.gif

[Mogonis]

Maybe I'll shoot you some copies of my PMs and rep from people with no lives sometime to ya on Lich when I'm bored.
Please don't. And please don't throw everyone under the leg-humping blanket. Refer specifically to those who worship you, and leave the rest of us out of it.

[inso]

Think what you want, I could care less at this point.

http://www.incompetech.com/Images/caring.png

[Sean of the Thread]

Nobody cares about Tsin the character or the person formally behind Tsin. Nor yourself.

If it was possible to change his name he would have been sold in a day. However that's not the case. He's a douchebag and your the nozzle.

Good luck with your fake bids and sale.

[LMingrone]

Minimum: $400

Current: $1100 Matt

Buyout: $1,500

Will end 11/17 unless a buyout has been made.

So he's sold now, right? Or is this just carrying on Tsin's tradition?

[Sean of the Thread]

This should help your advertising.

http://philtheone.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fat-ass-cant-move.jpg

[Widgets]

Pretty sure I know who Matt is. No it's not me (that's my name too).


Yea, there's like 8 Matt's on the PC apaprently heh...Process of Elimination would eventually lead to knowing the PC name of Matt.

[Coin]

My advice to the next person who sells a well trained rogue that they put a shit load of time into?

Sell that sucker for $300 instead of $100, let the person who buys it turn around and sell that sucker for $400, he makes an extra $100, you make an extra $200, the guy who buys it decides he's gonna go ahead and sell his rogue for $300 just like you did, the guy who buys his rogue is gonna sell it for $400 like he did with your rogue, and let the process continue until you people all end up making more money than you thought you could be making right now.

Let the whiners wine. And let the buyers buy. Sooner or later, everyone starts copying the process like Humans beings are inclined to do if they see something working for someone else, the G4 market becomes fun again, and worthwhile, and everyone comes out a little happier and a little more rich.

Yeah yer gonna have more people going for the $300 rogues, but if none of them are available they HAVE NO CHOICE but to go for the $400 rogues that are available, and the system works itself out.

Do that with any well trained character, then figure out how to do it with items and coins, and then start rackin in that cash.

Cha-ching!

[Widgets]

So he's sold now, right? Or is this just carrying on Tsin's tradition?

Nope, already mentioned in the thread. Feel free to read when you can.

[Widgets]

Please don't. And please don't throw everyone under the leg-humping blanket. Refer specifically to those who worship you, and leave the rest of us out of it.

Oh, I don't throw everyone under that blanket. It's usually obvious as to who deserves that Title ;)

[Methais]

Yea, there's like 8 Matt's on the PC apaprently heh...Process of Elimination would eventually lead to knowing the PC name of Matt.

The one I'm thinking it is spends lots of money on GS stuff and has bought capped characters for high prices before so it's not exactly a process of elimination so much as it's an educated guess.

[LMingrone]

So NO ONE offered you the min bid before the end of 11/17?

[Sean of the Thread]

This thread is awesome. And full of shit and soon to be REALLY FAT BITCHES.

http://secretlyhateyou.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/fat-bitch-champagne.JPG