Gas Prices

[Madmox]

God Damn! Gas is up to $2.21 again. I hate living here the price gouging bastards. It cost me over $45 to fill the tank in my truck. <gag> Is anyone higher for 87 octane fuel? I know were were the highest a while ago.
("Damn the man! Save the Empire!" Mark)

Colin

[Sean]

I paid $1.67 for regular earlier here in jersey.

[Ambrosia]

2.21? Where the hell do you live?$ It's 1.55 in the Houston Area.

[Skirmisher]

Yah, move.

Those prices are just horible.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

$1.89 in Chicago for regular as of Tuesday.

[Warriorbird]

The boondock mom and pop area I typically get gas in is in the 1.60s, right now. I think its 1.70 in town, but I haven't looked for a bit.

[Weedmage Princess]

$1.56 here in Beantown..well if you go to Hess. Mobil's like $1.70

2.09 in Central New York...

But you can shop around...

I sometimes still find regular for 1.89 at the travel centers...

[Drew2]

<texan>
Haha, suckers.
</texan>

it just droped to 167 in the chicago subs, though i dont use the cheap stuff

[Drew2]

Averages as of March 4th.
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/gasprices/

My state totally ownz0r (almost) all of yours.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Originally posted by The Edine
it just droped to 167 in the chicago subs, though i dont use the cheap stuff

My suburb is currently at about $1.77. And although I'm not a car guy, I understand that if your car is not specifically tuned to use premium gas then there is no real advantage.

[Xcalibur]

85,4 per liter, a good 3,416 per gallon

Go whine elsewhere;)

[Wezas]

Looks like $1.67-$1.69 is the average here in Northern VA.

Too bad my car needs premium. ($1.85ish)

And this traffic doesn't help my milage.


Originally posted by Xcalibur
85,4 per liter, a good 3,416 per gallon

Go whine elsewhere;)

Wow, I didn't think it could suck more to be a Canadian. I was wrong. And stop using commas instead of decimals. I don't care if that's what you use there, it's annoying.

i know only a little about cars
but the book says use premium

[Galleazzo]

I had a job pumping gas one summer between bits of school. Price was 79 cents. In 197-frigging-7.

You tell me what else is out there the price has only doubled on in 27 years.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
I had a job pumping gas one summer between bits of school. Price was 79 cents. In 197-frigging-7.

You tell me what else is out there the price has only doubled on in 27 years.

Gold.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
I had a job pumping gas one summer between bits of school. Price was 79 cents. In 197-frigging-7.

You tell me what else is out there the price has only doubled on in 27 years.

I worked at a gas station like 3 years ago... I remember the gas station business cards had a pic of the gas sign and then it was only 95 or so cents.. around '98 I guess?

[GSLeloo]

I'm not sure how accurate this is but I was in my money management class yesterday and our teacher read us two articles. One was how obesity is killing 33% of the people and the other was that gas prices will be at $3 a gallon by summer.

[Hulkein]

Heh, I actually heard something about both of them points Leloo.. was a few days ago. I don't remember the actual percentage, but I did hear it is very close to passing cigarette smoking as the deadliest habit (I think that's what they said.) And yes, I heard 3 dollars plus this summer.

[GSLeloo]

I read the statistics and it was like from 1990-2000 obesity has killed like 33% and tobacco has killed about 14%. Plus they said my teachers generation (around the hippy era) will outlive mine.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Hulkein
I worked at a gas station like 3 years ago... I remember the gas station business cards had a pic of the gas sign and then it was only 95 or so cents.. around '98 I guess?
Yeah, that'd be about right. So that's only a 20% rise in 20 years? Fuuuuck.

It isn't that gas prices are so frigging high now, it's that we got a frigging free ride for a generation.

[Mouse]

lets see here in the lovely golden state its 2.45 a gallon thats for 89 octane which is what i have to run in my car

[Rogue Slayer]

Yep 2.38 in Orange County, California.

[Madmox]

Yeah what does 3.416 Canadian per gallon work out to in stable dollars? And For the record I am in wayyyy northern california and as i recall 91 octane is about 2.60 a gallon. <Gag> Thats it im riding a bike from now on... wait... a Motorcycle Thats it! Of course everyone know it is price fixing up here you can drive a few hours east and find gas thats like 1.60. What are we to do?

-Colin

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Madmox
Yeah what does 3.416 Canadian per gallon work out to in stable dollars? And For the record I am in wayyyy northern california and as i recall 91 octane is about 2.60 a gallon. <Gag> -Colin

<not being shitty>

Do they actually sell 91 octane in CA? All I see here in VA/DC/MD is 87, 89, and 93 (which is what my car takes, suck)

</not being shitty>

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Wezas
Wow, I didn't think it could suck more to be a Canadian. I was wrong. And stop using commas instead of decimals. I don't care if that's what you use there, it's annoying. X isn't Canadian, duh. He's Quebequian. Psst X read the Jester by James Patterson, it's about this French guy who like kills everybody with... something really cool that I can't tell you what it is or it'll spoil it. Of course, I don't know how much it's going for up North, but it's only eight real dollars.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
X isn't Canadian, duh. He's Quebequian.

http://members.cox.net/legendwezas/canada.jpg

That's like me saying "I'm not American, I'm a Virginian!" - plain retarded

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Wezas
That's like me saying "I'm not American, I'm a Virginian!" - plain retarded Rewind 140 years, kthx. Also, when did they cave and make Nunavut? Tut tut.

[Mint]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
[quotePsst X read the Jester by James Patterson, it's about this French guy who like kills everybody with... something really cool that I can't tell you what it is or it'll spoil it.

I just finished The Jester. Best Patterson book ever.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Rewind 140 years, kthx. Also, when did they cave and make Nunavut? Tut tut.
A few years ago.

I got the EnvironmentCanada web page for Nunavut bookmarked. Whenever I look out side and think "fuck, it's cold out," I pull up what the weather is like in fucking Cambridge Bay or Grise Fjord or Iqaluit. And it's always -60 below wind chill in the winter. Makes me feel more toasty, like.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Wezas
That's like me saying "I'm not American, I'm a Virginian!" - plain retarded Rewind 140 years, kthx. Also, when did they cave and make Nunavut? Tut tut.

I don't care if the map is not up to the second accurate. Unless I'm mistaken, Quebec hasn't broken off and floated away to become it's own country.

[Madmox]

<braces for the barrage> Yeah canadians have never been known for their steadfastness so far as losing territory.... <ducks> <gazes eatward toward Quebec then pans north towards Nunavut> Wait did'nt Gulliver go to Nunavut? Nope that was Lillaput

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Wezas
I don't care if the map is not up to the second accurate.I was tutting Canada.gov, not you. Sorry if it came off that way (which looking back, it does).
Unless I'm mistaken, Quebec hasn't broken off and floated away to become it's own country. Just because Quebec is geographically part of Canada doesn't mean they are mentally. Born under the fleur, raised under the rose, babysat by the snapdragon, or something like that.

edited to remove an analogy that really did not make any sense and to check my water for contaminants

[Edited on 3-11-2004 by Latrinsorm]

[GSLeloo]

I live in NJ and I get regular, like 1.50 or something a gallon.

[Pallon]

I thought gas prices were supposed to go down after we conquered Iraq. What a fucking scam

[GSLeloo]

I think they realized it makes it look too much like we attacked Iraq solely for their oil. Plus I believe they burned the oil fields, some of them.

[Some Rogue]

I run a gas station/convenience store for a living so I know a little about this topic ::smirks::

They're saying $2 per gallon as the national average by summer.

And it's not all price gouging. Demand is higher in the summer and for all you people in urban areas, most have laws that say you have to have a special blend of "cleaner" gas.

[Shari]

$1.93 a gallon here in the Phoenix area.

It goes to 3 dollars and I'm getting a motercycle, fuck this shit.

[Xcalibur]

I'll read the book eventually. Québec city and most towns (and like 99% of people) are way souther, near the border.

We rock, close to 50% of us think we're different than the rest of our "country", latrinsorm is part of the winning team and is worth it.

Just fulled the car of gaz, costed 33 bucks for 41 liters (10 galons)

BOOOOOOOOOOOH

[Souzy]

Originally posted by Tijay
I paid $1.67 for regular earlier here in jersey.

I'm with Sean. I pay about the same, $1.67 - $1.89. But not two dollaaaaaa!!! That's fawkin' nuts man.

[Madmox]

I don't know how much Iraq has to do with it. Its a misconception that we get our oil from them beause we don't the united states imports oil from South America. Theres a factoid for ya.

Colin

[longshot]

Where I live it's close to $3.50 a gallon.

You're all spoiled.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by longshot
Where I live it's close to $3.50 a gallon.


That's because all the cars are so small and get like 234234234234 miles to the gallon.

I hear ricksha business is up because of the gas prices though.

[Betheny]

Luckily, I'm not contributing to the price of gas! I walk to work.

[Mint]

Originally posted by Maimara
Luckily, I'm not contributing to the price of gas! I walk to work.

Support your local transit agency...ride the bus!

[Meos]

I can get a 30 pack of old style for 9 bucks!

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Mint
Support your local transit agency...ride the bus!
Hey, I do. The MBTA is my friend. I had to drive my car in to Boston every day it'd cost me around $300/month for the parking alone. Which would suck the patootie off of a dead gopher, believe you me. Screw that, gimme the bus and the train.

[Reyek]

2.36 for the cheap shit here and in san diego

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
I.... would suck the patootie off of a dead gopher, believe you me.

Almost sig worthy.

[MPSorc]

well answer to Iraqi oil scam, im in the military in Korea....pay $1.20-1.30 a gallon on post.

[Madmox]

Damn gas is up to 3.30 a gallon for the swill gas. Its making driving a mustang REALLY affordable! At least i don't have to pay attention to emissions controls. Maybe i can make a still and convert it to run on alcohol like a top fuel dragster. Oh the possibilities.
-Madmox

[peam]

bicycle ftw

[Back]

Republicans in Congress and this Administration are decidedly the most idiotic, backward, corrupt government in US history.

U.S. Reaches Out to Some Oil-Rich Nations (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060427/ap_on_go_pr_wh/oil_allies;_ylt=ArVkrbcxDpCUxsUH1.rnEgdK2ocA;_ylu= X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-)


WASHINGTON - Searching for energy supplies and allies against Iran, the Bush administration is reaching out to leaders who rule countries that are rich in oil and gas but accused of authoritarian rule and human rights violations.

The presidents of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Equatorial Guinea are all getting special attention. The effort sometimes seems at odds with President Bush's stated second-term goal of spreading democracy.

"If those countries were not oil producers, we would probably not be meeting with their leaders," said Michael O'Hanlon, a foreign policy analyst with the Brookings Institution. "There is some tension with Bush's democracy-promotion agenda. They are pulling in different directions."

[Sean of the Thread]

>>"If those countries were not oil producers, we would probably not be meeting with their leaders," said Michael O'Hanlon, a foreign policy analyst"<<

Well no shit sherlock.

[Jesuit]

I would be more interested in what the Democrats had to say about high gas prices if these were not the same people who refused to let us drill for oil in Alaska, imposed massive restrictions on building new refineries, and who shut down the development of nuclear power in this country decades ago.

But it's too much having to watch Democrats wail about the awful calamity to poor working families of having to pay high gas prices.

Imposing punitive taxation on gasoline to force people to ride bicycles has been one of the left's main policy goals for years.

For decades Democrats have been trying to raise the price of gasoline so that the working class will stop their infernal car-driving and start riding on buses where they belong, while liberals ride in Gulfstream jets.

The last time the Democrats controlled the House, the Senate and the presidency was in 1993. Immediately after trying to put gays in the military and socialize all health care, Clinton's next order of business was to propose an energy tax on all fuels, including a 26-cent tax on gas. I think the bill was called "putting people first in line at the bus station."

Al Gore defended the gas tax, vowing that it was "absolutely not coming out" of the energy bill regardless of "how much trouble it causes the entire package." The important thing was to force Americans to stop their infernal car-driving, no matter how much it cost.

And mind you, this was before we knew Gore was clinically insane. Back then we thought he was just a double-talking stuffed shirt who seemed kind of gay.

Democrats in Congress promptly introduced an "energy bill" that would put an additional 25-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline to stop "global warming," an atmospheric phenomenon supposedly aggravated by frivolous human activities such as commerce, travel and food production. This is the Democratic Party. That's their program.

Democratic House Speaker Tom Foley endorsed the proposal on "Charlie Rose," saying: "I'd have a five-cent increase every year for five years. ... But that's not going to happen ... because we've got people who fret and worry that one- or two-tenths of a cent of a gasoline tax is going to cause some revolution at home." So in Tom Foley's universe, two-tenths of a cent is the same as a quarter — another testimonial to the American public educational system.

The Democrats' proposed gas tax did cause a revolution at home, and consequently the Democrats were able to sneak through only an additional 4.3-cent federal tax on gasoline. After tut-tutting the idea that voters would object if the Democrats attempted a huge gas tax increase, Speaker Tom Foley soon became former speaker, and indeed former Congressman Tom Foley.

Gary Hart, another whimsical demonstration of what Democrats think a president should be like, said at the time, "I certainly favor consumption taxes, particularly on energy." Then there's John Kerry, who favored a 50-cent increase in the gas tax in 1994. If he were a rap artist, Kerry's stage name would be "Fifty Cent a Gallon."

Last year, a couple of green "climatologists" at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign were back at it in the journal Science, wheeling out their proposal for a 25-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline as an "insurance policy" against global warming.

Just two months ago, we were being confidently told — on the basis of a New York Times/CBS News poll, so it must be true — that "Americans might OK a gasoline tax hike if it reduced global warming or lessened U.S. dependence on foreign oil." (This poll was wedged in among the 29 polls claiming Americans think we're losing the war in Iraq.) Other results from the Times' "meaningless polls" section: Americans might "OK" a Dennis Kucinich presidency if it meant free ice cream every Tuesday.

How many times do Democrats have to tell us they want to raise the price of gas for the average American before the average American believes them? Is it more or less than the number of times Democrats tell us they want to surrender in the war on terrorism?

It's as if a switch goes off in people's brains telling them: The Democrats can't be saying they want to destroy the lives of people who drive cars because my father was a Democrat, and the Democrats can't be this stupid!

The Democrats' only objection to current gas prices is that the federal government's cut is a mere 18.4 cents a gallon. States like New York get another 44 cents per gallon in taxes. The Democratic brain processes the fact that "big oil companies" get nearly 9 cents a gallon and thinks: WE SHOULD HAVE ALL THAT MONEY!

When the free market does the exact thing liberals have been itching to do through taxation, they pretend to be appalled by high gas prices, hoping the public will forget that high gas prices are part of their agenda.

[Gan]

Well said.

:clap:

[DeV]

Ann Coulter's at it again. You can thank her for that one Ganalon.

[Ravenstorm]

Well said.

:clap:

As Dev said, well plagiarized. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20060426/cm_ucac/itshardouthereforapump;_ylt=A86.I1nt8k9EB7oANgv9wx IF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--)

[Daniel]

I would be more interested in what the Democrats had to say about high gas prices if these were not the same people who refused to let us drill for oil in Alaska, imposed massive restrictions on building new refineries, and who shut down the development of nuclear power in this country decades ago

^

100% true but it lost me after that. Except for the remarks about al gore.

[Jazuela]

I'm not a Democrat but I don't want to see more drilling in Alaska, either. First of all, the oil wouldn't be available for another 10 years, give or take. Second of all, there's no guarantee that it would be reserved exclusively for our use here in the USA, since the drilling companies are free to sell it to whoever wants to buy it. Third, I want to see a shift away from oil dependency. So much has been done with alternative energy, but not much here in the States. Brazil is almost 100% self-sufficient in terms of energy - and they use sugar cane to produce ethanol. The sugar cane method provides 10X more energy than the cost of producing it. Compare to corn that we use here, which costs more to produce than the value of the ethanol end product.

There was a nice surge of solar power heating/air conditioning a couple of decades ago, but it died a slow, painful death and now a few groups are trying to pick it back up again. They're not having much success.

We're dependent on oil, because we choose to be dependent on oil. We might always be dependent, to some extent or another. But there is absolutely no reason why we have to rely on this fossil fuel as much as we are. The alternatives are readily available, inexpensive to produce, and cleaner for the environment. But we're so stubborn, as a nation, that our collective mindset resists alternatives at every turn. I also think the Oil companies, along with their cronies (Bush and Company) have done a bang-up job in convincing the American people that we NEED oil to survive. We need fuel, sure. But we don't need oil. Only hitch is that we have to come to an agreement on that, before we can move away from using it. And that doesn't seem like it's going to happen any time soon.

[Jesuit]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/04/27/kennedy_faces_fight_on_cape_wind/?rss_id=Boston+Globe+--+City+Weekly

[Latrinsorm]

They're not having much success.Probably because solar power is unequivocably unfeasible with current technology. That's just a guess.

For solar diehards though, take heart. There's this thing called a multiple exciton reaction that could result in 60% efficient solar cells (4 times as good as the theoretical upper limit of mass-producible ones). The only problem is only some dude from Los Alamos and some other dude that works for the same company have seen it, and people are having trouble making it happen again.

As for sugarcane, we only grow about 35 million tons ourselves, which is about an eleventh of what Brazil uses. Conversely, we produce 7.61 million barrels of oil a day and import 13.15 million. Not only would we be trading one foreign dependency for another, we'd be even more dependent.

These are nice thoughts, but they just can't be backed up in reality.

[Firefly]

There's lots of land that could be converted to growing sugar cane, cheaply.

[Sean of the Thread]

I <3 solar polar. Now if we could only rig an M1A1 to run on it...

[Jazuela]

What I'm saying Latrinsorm is that we could learn from Brazil, not import from them. We have a climate in parts of the country that are good for sugarcane crops. More than we're using right now. If we put more emphasis on home-grown ethanol and efficient agri-business we could become -less- dependant on petroleum. I don't think we can become -independent- from it, not entirely. But the less we use, the more we can stretch out what we have, and the less dependant we are on imports. Corn isn't cost-efficient, sugar is, and I've read a few news articles claiming soy is too but I have no idea what our soy production is, or if our climates can support enough growth to make it worthwhile.

I -do- know that there is one bio-deisel gas station in the county, where you can buy a corn oil mix for deisel car engines. It's a low percentage - something like 4% corn oil and 96% deisel. But it's something, maybe enough to get people thinking, maybe enough to start a trend growing further away from fossil dependency.

There's also a few companies in Massachusetts, Maine, and I think New Hampshire? That provide vegetable oil for heating fuel. An oil tank doesn't need any kind of special converters for that, it just has to be located inside the house/basement so the veggie oil doesn't freeze. The problem is that it's expensive as hell. But like I said, it's a start.

[Sean of the Thread]

Like we're gonna grow fucking sugar cane to use as an alternative fuel source for anything other than a goddamned commune on U.S. soil. G.W. is going to declare eminent domain on not just New Orleans but ALL OF FUCKING LA.. because he hates black people and wants to bring back plantation slavery. (could see the libs coming up with some propoganda like this)

It's 50x cheaper to import than what we pay Dell's Indian customer support reps.

[Warriorbird]

Eh. There's a lot of alternatives. Lot of money in deciding which to use, too.

[Madmox]

Maybe we should just ride horses again. Of course those may be more expensive and slower than cars to run. Hmmm Maybe we should redirect our efforts and just take over the country and take all the oil ourselves. Old school style. No talking just rape and pillage. Then we could bask in our self worth and free oil. I just know this one is going to cause problems.
Madmox