Another scammer (Tsin) in the making

[WRoss]

XBaelogVentureX (2:55:07 PM): Hey Rogane, wanna buy a gold ring range unlimited teleport item?
WRossArtley (2:55:19 PM): no
XBaelogVentureX (2:55:25 PM): Damn, oh well.
WRossArtley (2:55:28 PM): i would buy it from kizun if I really wanted it
XBaelogVentureX (2:55:44 PM): But mine has no chance for spirit drain!
WRossArtley (2:55:49 PM): what is yours?
XBaelogVentureX (2:55:53 PM): Boots
WRossArtley (2:56:10 PM): those are navable
WRossArtley (2:56:14 PM): just take a long time
XBaelogVentureX (2:56:21 PM): Mine aren't
XBaelogVentureX (2:56:26 PM): I've been to the nav guy
XBaelogVentureX (2:56:32 PM): Over a dozen times
XBaelogVentureX (2:56:40 PM): Left with the boots everytime
XBaelogVentureX (2:57:32 PM):
Suddenly you find yourself standing in a round chamber of solid, grey stone. An old man sits at a desk, quill in hand. He slowly turns his head and looks at you over silver-rimmed spectacles.

"What have we here?" he says, his voice rough with age,"I don't think I was expecting anyone."

As his blue eyes penetrate yours, you feel slightly uncomfortable, violated perhaps.

"Oh!" he says with a start, "Where did you get those boots? I lost them years ago."
XBaelogVentureX (2:57:42 PM):
"I'll just take them back and send you on your way, if you don't mind." he says as the room starts to fade.

Suddenly your surroundings shift again...
WRossArtley (2:57:43 PM): ohh
WRossArtley (2:57:45 PM): the bugged ones
WRossArtley (2:57:47 PM): yeah...
WRossArtley (2:57:54 PM): pay me 5m or I'll go report you to a GM
XBaelogVentureX (2:57:54 PM): Yeah
XBaelogVentureX (2:58:02 PM): Go ahead, report me
WRossArtley (2:58:05 PM): i'm fucking with you
XBaelogVentureX (2:58:11 PM): I know
WRossArtley (2:58:27 PM): but those are bugged as shit
WRossArtley (2:58:29 PM): not touching em
XBaelogVentureX (2:58:36 PM): Why not?
WRossArtley (2:58:42 PM): cause they are bugged
XBaelogVentureX (2:58:46 PM): So!?
WRossArtley (2:58:49 PM): and using em like you do is exploiting it
XBaelogVentureX (2:59:14 PM): Paying $40 for a Premium account is exploiting us
WRossArtley (2:59:30 PM): i'm sure
XBaelogVentureX (3:00:07 PM): Been navved a dozen times, probably more, so far
XBaelogVentureX (3:00:19 PM): The rate at which ya get navved is random with the boots too
XBaelogVentureX (3:00:35 PM): I got navved, teleported twice, got navved again, didn't get navved again for about 30 more uses
XBaelogVentureX (3:00:45 PM): Or more
WRossArtley (3:01:44 PM): yeah...
WRossArtley (3:01:45 PM): i understand
WRossArtley (3:01:55 PM): but you're gonna get fucking locked out when you get caught with them
XBaelogVentureX (3:02:07 PM): How am I gonna get caught?
XBaelogVentureX (3:03:33 PM): And shit, if they do catch me, I can feign ignorance
XBaelogVentureX (3:03:52 PM): "What're you talking about? This was the first time I was navved"
WRossArtley (3:05:03 PM): what are you expecting to get?
XBaelogVentureX (3:05:09 PM): Eh
XBaelogVentureX (3:05:11 PM): Dunno
XBaelogVentureX (3:05:38 PM): How much would you pay, if you wanted them?
WRossArtley (3:05:44 PM): i wouldn't
WRossArtley (3:05:46 PM): i was just curious
WRossArtley (3:05:53 PM): if you gave em to me, i'd toss em in the well
XBaelogVentureX (3:05:59 PM): I've been offer a mil for 'em
XBaelogVentureX (3:06:42 PM): But, I was looking in the 20-30mil range
WRossArtley (3:07:07 PM): yeah
WRossArtley (3:07:10 PM): you are a fucking idiot
WRossArtley (3:07:16 PM): and i'd highly advise you to bug them right now
XBaelogVentureX (3:07:33 PM): Or what, you gonna report me
WRossArtley (3:07:42 PM): no
WRossArtley (3:07:55 PM): i am gonna show people you are a fucking scammer though
WRossArtley (3:07:58 PM): that's some shady shit
XBaelogVentureX (3:08:12 PM): Scammer?
WRossArtley (3:08:20 PM): that item is gonna get someone in trouble
WRossArtley (3:08:25 PM): and after they pay 20-30m for it
WRossArtley (3:08:28 PM): it'll get nerfed
WRossArtley (3:08:32 PM): thats the shit tsin used to do
XBaelogVentureX (3:08:49 PM): Hey, I'm no scammer. I fully explain to the people I propostion that it is a bugged item
XBaelogVentureX (3:09:11 PM): It's not like I'm doing what Kizun is doing
XBaelogVentureX (3:09:25 PM):
Kizun [Merchant]: "Also have an unlimited teleport cloak, 50 million."
XBaelogVentureX (3:09:49 PM): He neglects to mention the fact that the teleport can backfire and you get drained for spirit
WRossArtley (3:10:01 PM): anyone that can afford it knows about it
WRossArtley (3:10:05 PM): he posts it in his sales post
WRossArtley (3:10:18 PM): and the spirit drain only happens like 1/500th of the time
XBaelogVentureX (3:10:20 PM): And I imagine that the majority of people know about the bugged boots
WRossArtley (3:10:21 PM): your item is bugged
WRossArtley (3:10:27 PM): your a dick for trying to off them to people
WRossArtley (3:10:38 PM): and quite frankly, I'd prefer you just shut your mouth or get the item fixed

[Widgets]

For the Record, Rogane meant the OLD Tsin!!!1!!!!!

[WRoss]

For the Record, Rogane meant the OLD Tsin!!!1!!!!!

Correct, even though the new Tsin needs to work a 12-step Gemstone program. I'll be hold the first ever GSA (Gemstoners anonymous) meeting in the Small Park tonight, at 8PM EST. Free coffee!

[Widgets]

Correct, even though the new Tsin needs to work a 12-step Gemstone program. I'll be hold the first ever GSA (Gemstoners anonymous) meeting in the Small Park tonight, at 8PM EST. Free coffee!

Well, I can't deny that one...

[Some Rogue]

Didn't the new Tsin Zimzum the old Tsin?

[WRoss]

So I'm sitting at the Fortune teller going on in the Landing right now and this happens

Baelog removes a burnished imflass bracer from in his ebon wool cloak.
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Orgdai nods to Odane.
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Speaking deeply to Orgdai, Baelog asks, "Will this suffice?"
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Orgdai says, "Ooo. Tha's shiny, indeed."
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Odane just went southeast.
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Baelog offers Orgdai a burnished imflass bracer.
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Baelog's spirits are no longer lifted.
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Spell Kai's Triumph Song (1007) ended. [-10AS]
Your spirits are no longer lifted by stories of Kai's Triumphs.
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The air stops shimmering around Baelog.
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Spell Song of Luck (1006) ended.
The air stops shimmering around you.
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Orgdai accepts Baelog's imflass bracer.
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Orgdai put a burnished imflass bracer in her cotton pouch.
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Orgdai shakes her runestones as she squints at Baelog.
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Spell Spirit Guard (Statue) ended. [-25DS]
A faint silvery glow fades from around you.
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Baelog cocks his head at Orgdai.
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Orgdai shakes her bone-inlaid runestones and tosses them into the air. They spin wildly as they descend, and land with a clatter. The runestones finally settle and show a cloud symbol and a protection rune.
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Orgdai gasps.
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Spell Self Control (613) ended. [-20PhysDS, -19STD]
You feel the aura of confidence leave you.
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Orgdai squints at a pair of bone-inlaid runestones.
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Orgdai picks up a pair of bone-inlaid runestones.
A faint silvery glow fades from around Baelog.
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Orgdai says, "Well, now."
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Baelog rubs his studded pewter barrette.
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Orgdai asks, "Ya be seein' tha thar cloud rune?"
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Baelog deeply says, "Aye."
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Orgdai says, "Means a storm's a'brewin' ova ya head."
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Orgdai makes swirling motions around her head with her fingers.
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* Raervin has disconnected.
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Orgdai asks, "Ya head be clouded. Maybe ya dreams not so good lately, hm?"
>hum
You hum a random, wandering tune.
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(OOC) Futtilo's player whispers, "Ha."
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Baelog deeply says, "Me dreams be just fine."
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Baelog removes a silver-edged obsidian sword symbol from in his leather sporran.
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[Orgdai's Misfortune Telling]
A series of mismatched lanterns hang from the splintering roof overhead, their dim light creating of this space scarcely more than an atmosphere fit for shady dealings. An effort has been made to stretch fraying pieces of fabric along the walls, the colors of the cloth found in a variety of purple shades, though not at all entirely complementary to each other. Pieces of web-woven lace, torn and unraveling, dangle here and there from above, while a molding lace-covered table and a pair of chairs occupy the space below. You also see the Baelog disk and a brittle parchment sign.
Also here: Futtilo, Monotonous, High Lord Baelog, Orgdai who is sitting
Obvious exits: southeast, southwest
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Baelog thrusts his obsidian sword symbol high into the air, his gaze lifted as he beseeches his god for guidance.
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Baelog put a silver-edged obsidian sword symbol in his leather sporran.
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Orgdai says, "Maybe somethin' tricksy tryin' to wile its way in."
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(OOC) Futtilo's player whispers, "Ahahhaa."
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(OOC) Futtilo's player whispers, "Yesss."
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Baelog deeply says, "That could very well be."
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Speaking to Baelog, Orgdai says, "Ya neva know wit dreams. They neva are what they seem."
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Speaking deeply to Orgdai, Baelog says, "I have faith that Ronan keeps my dreams safe."
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Futtilo coughs.
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Orgdai says, "And, then ye has tha thar protection rune."
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Orgdai cackles!
>ponder
You ponder.
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Orgdai says, "Maybe it mean Ronan be protectin' ya dreams. Keepin' tha noggin' o'yers clean of the nasties."
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Orgdai says, "Maybe it don."
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* Wynterr just bit the dust!
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Speaking deeply to Orgdai, Baelog asks, "And what else do you see?"
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Orgdai says, "Old Orgdai say it means ya got somethin' ya been protectin'...hidin' maybe."
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Orgdai says, "From someone...maybe yaself."
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Orgdai jabs a finger at Baelog's chest.
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The dim aura fades from around Monotonous.
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Orgdai says, "Ya be thinkin' 'bout that."
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Baelog glances downward.
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Speaking deeply to Orgdai, Baelog says, "I will."
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(OOC) Futtilo's player whispers, "I'm effing dying."
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The mirror images surrounding Monotonous undulate and grow stronger.
Monotonous renews his songs.
>mychar is trying not to smirk.
Rogane is trying not to smirk.
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Orgdai says, "Tha wha lurks unspoken can ruin a soul quick as anythin'."
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Orgdai says, "Tha's what Old Orgdai says."
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Orgdai nods to Baelog.
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Baelog nods to Orgdai.

[AestheticDeath]

So Tsin was finally sold? Who bought him?

[WRoss]

For the Record, Rogane meant the OLD Tsin!!!1!!!!!

HINT HINT HINT HINT HINT

[AestheticDeath]

I kind of thought it might be him, but he sticks up for other people's characters that he plays. So I mean, it could have been Durg or someone who bought him.

[AestheticDeath]

Hah, are you the idiot who neg repped me for the question? Him sticking up for the 'new owner' doesn't mean jack shit as far as him being the owner.

[Widgets]

Hah, are you the idiot who neg repped me for the question? Him sticking up for the 'new owner' doesn't mean jack shit as far as him being the owner.

I could quote the other thread where I said, I was Tsin.

[Beguiler]

I could quote the other thread where I said, I was Tsin.

Heh. For all his shennanigans and bad rep, the old Tsin was never less than courteous and friendly when I had occasion to be in his company, and he never tried to rip me off.

The new Tsin hopefully will be just as pleasant. Saw him last night, actually... was quite congenial.

[AestheticDeath]

I could quote the other thread where I said, I was Tsin.

Yes you could. Kind of pointless now, but what thread was it? I don't suppose it was in character sales, where I looked for confirmation?

[Asha]

Didn't the old Tsin totally fuck Ponzzz?
I've heard stories of him being great to deal with off many good people but in the end if he screwed anyone that basically wipes out all that good rep and makes him a tosser, Beguiler.

[Tisket]

Heh. For all his shennanigans and bad rep, the old Tsin was never less than courteous and friendly when I had occasion to be in his company, and he never tried to rip me off.

Honest people don't have a monopoly on congeniality.

[Celephais]

Didn't the old Tsin totally fuck Ponzzz?
I've heard stories of him being great to deal with off many good people but in the end if he screwed anyone that basically wipes out all that good rep and makes him a tosser, Beguiler.
Yes, he did. He was only an "honest" merchant with people he knew he couldn't get away with it too.

[ElvenFury]

I heard that old Tsin went into business as an innkeeper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFPsEwV38Q0).

[RawR]

Fucking LAWL at that video, well done.

[Beguiler]

Didn't the old Tsin totally fuck Ponzzz?
I've heard stories of him being great to deal with off many good people but in the end if he screwed anyone that basically wipes out all that good rep and makes him a tosser, Beguiler.

Well, I never bought anything from him, and I did abhor what I knew of his buisness practices, I hadn't personally had a problem with him. I just figured that if the 'old Tsin' could manage to be congenial at times, I figured that Tsin 'under new management' could only be better..<shrug>

[Inspire]

Widgets did you really Zimzum the old Tsin?

I got reports almost immediately about Tsin being stolen but I wasn't sure if they were true or not.

[CrystalTears]

Widgets did you really Zimzum the old Tsin?

I got reports almost immediately about Tsin being stolen but I wasn't sure if they were true or not.
Maybe he tried to and then came clean in the end?

I heard of something similar, and so did others it seems.

[Widgets]

Widgets did you really Zimzum the old Tsin?

I got reports almost immediately about Tsin being stolen but I wasn't sure if they were true or not.

I didn't scam Tsin/Mike per say, he did get his cash. However, I can say that to this day, I literally paid 0 cash out of my own pocket for this rogue.

[Celephais]

I didn't scam Tsin/Mike per say, he did get his cash. However, I can say that to this day, I literally paid 0 cash out of my own pocket for this rogue.
What's the point of posting a thinly veiled allusion to some event, when you know you're going to get questions asking you to explain what you said.

[Widgets]

What's the point of posting a thinly veiled allusion to some event, when you know you're going to get questions asking you to explain what you said.

Because I figured there is really nothing else to talk about it at this point. Mike/Tsin did in fact get paid, I however did not pay out of my pocket.

Pretty simple really, no theft was involved.

However, the process I did use.....I would only use for an asshat like him. And no one else

[Celephais]

However, the process I did use.....I would only use for an asshat like him. And no one else
:sigh: ... and what was said process? (These forums are all about juice details of drama filled events, might as well just spill all the beans at once).

Either way, glad you didn't have to pay for him (Paypal refusal or something?)

[Widgets]

:sigh: ... and what was said process? (These forums are all about juice details of drama filled events, might as well just spill all the beans at once).

Either way, glad you didn't have to pay for him (Paypal refusal or something?)

I hate drama! ;)

Either way, he's in good hands now.

Yes, I may be wishy washy when it comes to saying I'm quitting for good and so forth, but things change, I'm not the first to quit and return 19898 times...And now that I have one of the oldest/highest TP earned Rogues in-game, I won't be going anywhere anytime soon...Unless I'm offered a 2 Brazilian porn stars for trade most likely

[Methais]

You do realize we're going to harass you until you give us the details on the Tsin transaction now, right?

COUGH IT UP!!!!!!1!!!!!!!11111!11!13

[Celephais]

I hate drama! ;)
It's too late now though I'm afraid, you might as well just give up all the details. If you had said "No, I didn't scam Tsin, he got his money" it would have been dropped... well now... now you better pop a quick "H" on the player's corner, cause you've got yourself a hornet's nest.

[m444w]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWBfLOZ2CjQ

the real story.

[Methais]

And we all know what happens if you try to take out a wasp nest...

[CrystalTears]

I hate drama! ;)
Except that the drama was there before you stated that you were the one who acquired Tsin. So now there is a name with the alleged Zimzum story. So my suggestion is to explain, or have people assume that you're just another scammer who deserves Tsin.

[Methais]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gifAnother scammer (Tsin)... 10-26-2009 05:27 PM I'll give you the details: Widgets is lying just like his "I'm obsessed and need to quit" post. He just wants people to think he's not so addicted he'd pay 2 grand for a char with that rep. When asked the day of, he said it was over 1.5k.

Confirm/deny sir!

[Widgets]

Except that the drama was there before you stated that you were the one who acquired Tsin. So now there is a name with the alleged Zimzum story. So my suggestion is to explain, or have people assume that you're just another scammer who deserves Tsin.

I'm hardly a scammer, if I was I'd be labelled as one since I've done ALOT Of business with other people here.

But thanks for your opinion.

Like I said, no one was "Scammed", he got his money.

[Widgets]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gifAnother scammer (Tsin)... 10-26-2009 05:27 PM I'll give you the details: Widgets is lying just like his "I'm obsessed and need to quit" post. He just wants people to think he's not so addicted he'd pay 2 grand for a char with that rep. When asked the day of, he said it was over 1.5k.

Confirm/deny sir!

Confirm!

I "Paid" a large sum, and for those interested to know all about other's lives here, it was 2 thousand. Why? Because like I said...Nothing came out of MY pocket. Mmike aka Tsin got his cash, and both parties are happy

[Latrinsorm]

Like I said, no one was "Scammed", he got his money.If you did not pay anything and Tsin v1.0 received something, that money had to come from somewhere; hence, someone must have been scammed or otherwise dishonestly relieved of money.

[Androidpk]

Sounds like fraud to me.

[Some Rogue]

What I heard was charges were reversed/stopped/whatever on Paypal and he tried to call Simu in to fix the mess...

Just sayin.

[Widgets]

You people are looking way way too much into it lol

[Widgets]

What I heard was charges were reversed/stopped/whatever on Paypal and he tried to call Simu in to fix the mess...

Just sayin.

You heard correctly.

Initially, after a day of sending the money, I could no longer log in as it said the Access was restricted.

Me, knowing Mike and his dealings with other people, took no slow action into reversing the payment from paypal because originally, I assumed that the worst had occured.

Shortly after Mike called Simu and told them to put a hold on the account because he thought I was robbing him, so to speak since all he saw was the charges reversed. This way, no one could access the account and do any harm to it, be it from him or me.

Later on that day since I was busy for the most of it with work and moving etc, I had talked to Simu and found out the error on their end. Shortly after that when I was free, I contacted Mike and the situation got resolved.

And like I said, both parties were happy with the outcome and everything was fixed.

[nub]

You heard correctly.

Initially, after a day of sending the money, I could no longer log in as it said the Access was restricted.

Me, knowing Mike and his dealings with other people, took no slow action into reversing the payment from paypal because originally, I assumed that the worst had occured.

Shortly after Mike called Simu and told them to put a hold on the account because he thought I was robbing him, so to speak since all he saw was the charges reversed. This way, no one could access the account and do any harm to it, be it from him or me.

Later on that day since I was busy for the most of it with work and moving etc, I had talked to Simu and found out the error on their end. Shortly after that when I was free, I contacted Mike and the situation got resolved.

And like I said, both parties were happy with the outcome and everything was fixed.

So who paid $$ for his character?

[Widgets]

So who paid $$ for his character?

I didn't, someone else did. Like I said, everyone is reading too much into it, and the select few here who seem to wanna know everything and anything about other people but themselves, tend to over analyze.

Frankly, I could care less how other people pay for their things they buy or for how much and so on. I'm not hung up on High School Gossip for the most part, but that's just me, I guess others are that bored with their lives

[nub]

I didn't, someone else did. Like I said, everyone is reading too much into it, and the select few here who seem to wanna know everything and anything about other people but themselves, tend to over analyze.

Frankly, I could care less how other people pay for their things they buy or for how much and so on. I'm not hung up on High School Gossip for the most part, but that's just me, I guess others are that bored with their lives

Yep, and that's why I play gemstone, no wait... I quit.

edited to question further because of my boring life: why would someone give you $1,500, unless there was something else that you gave someone worth $1,500, or you did a "favor" for someone.

[Widgets]

Yep, and that's why I play gemstone, no wait... I quit.

edited to question further because of my boring life: why would someone give you $1,500, unless there was something else that you gave someone worth $1,500, or you did a "favor" for someone.

I was owed a fair share of money, and finally collected on it.

[AestheticDeath]

So Paypal was not the one to foot the bill because of a charge back?

[BriarFox]

This thread doesn't make any fucking sense.

[Widgets]

So Paypal was not the one to foot the bill because of a charge back?

What charge back? The reversal, was cancelled from Paypal.

[Widgets]

This thread doesn't make any fucking sense.

It went from Baelog trying to sell his broken teleport boots to someone for a crazy amount of money, to people jumpin all in my shiz......but that's nothing new for PC'ers :P

And by the way, I sold that bow finally, but I'm actually buying another 7x one now to replace it, blah

[WRoss]

This thread doesn't make any fucking sense.

Its supposed to be about Baelog trying to sell me a bugged item, then everyone started talking about Tsin.

On a side note, Baelog did get rid of the boots, so good for him.

[Androidpk]

It went from Baelog trying to sell his broken teleport boots to someone for a crazy amount of money, to people jumpin all in my shiz......but that's nothing new for PC'ers :P

And by the way, I sold that bow finally, but I'm actually buying another 7x one now to replace it, blah

That makes perfect sense.

[Bobmuhthol]

Transferring money you are owed to someone else and cancelling a debt is still paying out of your pocket. So there wasn't exactly a grand scheme involved if you're telling the truth.

[Widgets]

Transferring money you are owed to someone else and cancelling a debt is still paying out of your pocket. So there wasn't exactly a grand scheme involved if you're telling the truth.

Indeed. In my eyes it was not out of my pocket, since I didn't have to really use my own cash for it, but at the same time it was my cash to use.

I just wasn't concerned about it as much and look at it that way I guess.

I just took what was owed to me, and used it in this case. Rather than funding it directly, myself

[Methais]

If you did not pay anything and Tsin v1.0 received something, that money had to come from somewhere; hence, someone must have been scammed or otherwise dishonestly relieved of money.

Technically Tsin 1.0 is really a Tsin 2.0, making Widgets Tsin 3.0. The original gave Tsin to him a really long time ago. No idea what level he was at the time.

[Methais]

Indeed. In my eyes it was not out of my pocket, since I didn't have to really use my own cash for it, but at the same time it was my cash to use.

I just wasn't concerned about it as much and look at it that way I guess.

I just took what was owed to me, and used it in this case. Rather than funding it directly, myself

Pfff. My grand scheme that wasn't a grand scheme is more grand schemish than your grand scheme. I sold Meth for $1500, then a year later bought a capped sorc for $600 and made an even trade to get Meth back. :club:

[Khariz]

Pfff. My grand scheme that wasn't a grand scheme is more grand schemish than your grand scheme. I sold Meth for $1500, then a year later bought a capped sorc for $600 and made an even trade to get Meth back. :club:

But you didn't dupe anyone either. That was a clear transaction.

Edit: I still use that Sorcerer on a daily basis too, haha.

[Stanley Burrell]

What happened to that picture of Tsin and his twin brother (I think?) chilling out after the apocalypse. It was pretty cool.

[Latrinsorm]

Technically Tsin 1.0 is really a Tsin 2.0, making Widgets Tsin 3.0. The original gave Tsin to him a really long time ago. No idea what level he was at the time.I knew I should have read the README.TXT. :(

[Stretch]

When I read "I didn't pay for it out of pocket" and "Mike got his money," I assumed that meant PayPal ate the transaction.

Why complicate what really happened?

[Celephais]

When I read "I didn't pay for it out of pocket" and "Mike got his money," I assumed that meant PayPal ate the transaction.

Why complicate what really happened?
Exactly, you answered intentionally ambigiously to stir up trouble... would it have really been that hard to explain the answer straitforward from the getgo?

Anyway glad you got him over someone else (especially some new to gemstone snert w/ too much money to waste), and I'm also glad to hear it was drama free (well short of you clouding the situation :) ).

[Tisket]

Widget, why wouldn't you just say what the deal was rather than try to manufacture some lame mystery about the money source?

I don't know why you keep making inferences that you know how the PC works when clearly you have no idea. Even someone with minimal experience here would recognize that such a vague explanation would get hammered to pieces.

[4a6c1]

I heard that old Tsin went into business as an innkeeper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFPsEwV38Q0).

:heart:

Love the link! I saw them twice at the Palace in London. Hands down best production in the world.

[Stanley Burrell]

You people are looking way way too much into it lol

What do you mean...

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_03/downey3_468x300.jpg

...You people?

[Celephais]

What do you mean...

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_03/downey3_468x300.jpg

...You people?
What do YOU mean...
http://media.ign.com/thumb/250/2505796/tt_booty_sweat_tears_080608_qthighwide_thumb_rt.jp g
... you people?

[DaCapn]

Transferring money you are owed to someone else and cancelling a debt is still paying out of your pocket. So there wasn't exactly a grand scheme involved if you're telling the truth.

Exactly, you answered intentionally ambigiously to stir up trouble... would it have really been that hard to explain the answer straitforward from the getgo?

So to summarize, Widgets did pay for the character with his own money and is horribly addicted to tease-and-tell. I wish I posted really early in this thread so I could edit in a spoiler.

[Androidpk]

Do soap operas EVER cut right to the chase? Of course not, it takes weeks and weeks worth of episodes to solve shit. Not that I would know I'm just saying.

[Widgets]

Do soap operas EVER cut right to the chase? Of course not, it takes weeks and weeks worth of episodes to solve shit. Not that I would know I'm just saying.

I was just going with what the "people" wanted! They asked for drama, so I drew it out! ;)

Btw, good movie too

[BigWorm]

I was just going with what the "people" wanted! They asked for drama, so I drew it out! ;)

Btw, good movie too

You're such a moron.

[Widgets]

You're such a moron.

Takes one to know one!

But thanks for the compliment, I could care less what you think of me on the E-WERLDZ

[Parkbandit]

I hate drama! ;)


Seems to me, you thrive on it.. as evidenced by this thread.

It's hilarious that you are somehow denying that you paid money for Tsin though...

[Monsoon]

Great. The Second Tsin is shrouded in controversy much like the original.

[Cephalopod]

If by 'controversy' you mean 'fecal material that we all wish would just get flushed down', yes.

[Widgets]

Great. The Second Tsin is shrouded in controversy much like the original.

Nah, I'm not that controversial. Just the local idiots make it that way, everyone else I know seems to know me well.

Anyhow, this thread has gone on for far too long, and derailed from the original topic due to PC Leeches

[CrystalTears]

Nah, I'm not that controversial. Just the local idiots make it that way, everyone else I know seems to know me well.

Anyhow, this thread has gone on for far too long, and derailed from the original topic due to PC Leeches
You know, you're the one who dragged this crap out. You could have just said, "Someone owed me money, so I cancelled the Paypal transaction to pay with the returned money." That's it! YOU made it this eventful issue.

"I didn't pay with my money", "that's not really how it happened", "you people are making it into more than what it is"... yeah maybe because you were never clear.

If you didn't care what people thought, you wouldn't mention nearly every instance that you quit then come back to buy a new character, and you wouldn't have even said that you owned Tsin now. You WANT this attention, so don't kid yourself by insulting the people you're trying to feed with drama.

[Widgets]

You know, you're the one who dragged this crap out. You could have just said, "Someone owed me money, so I cancelled the Paypal transaction to pay with the returned money." That's it! YOU made it this eventful issue.

"I didn't pay with my money", "that's not really how it happened", "you people are making it into more than what it is"... yeah maybe because you were never clear.

If you didn't care what people thought, you wouldn't mention nearly every instance that you quit then come back to buy a new character, and you wouldn't have even said that you owned Tsin now. You WANT this attention, so don't kid yourself by insulting the people you're trying to feed with drama.


Actually, anyone in their right mind would have SAID they now owned Tsin, given the past. So I didn't say I owned him, for the attention. As for everything else in this thread, I simply stated it, because others were asking. I not once just randomly popped in and said, HEY LOOK AT ME I AM TSIN. And just moving along about their way.

Someone asked who bought him, I replied and said I did not pay anything out of my own pocket. It was then that other people kept pressing the issue, being the typical leeches like I said and wanting to know everything about what it meant....Instead of simply saying "Oh, ok, Widgets now owns Tsin."

Too many people on this thread, are stuck in the High School years and I can see why...Try less of being in others and wanting to know every fucking detail, and try more of not being a total douche nozzle from time to time and learn to just not give a shit about what others do with their lives. I know I do.

[woolfman72]

:nono: forget to disarm any boxes today before you picked them?

What really surprised me though was your immediate tantrum to want to go after the people that threw fruit at you while you were in the stocks :rofl:

[CrystalTears]

Actually, anyone in their right mind would have SAID they now owned Tsin, given the past. So I didn't say I owned him, for the attention. As for everything else in this thread, I simply stated it, because others were asking. I not once just randomly popped in and said, HEY LOOK AT ME I AM TSIN. And just moving along about their way.Except that you did say that you bought him and you were the first person to talk about how the comment was about the old Tsin.


Someone asked who bought him, I replied and said I did not pay anything out of my own pocket. It was then that other people kept pressing the issue, being the typical leeches like I said and wanting to know everything about what it meant....Instead of simply saying "Oh, ok, Widgets now owns Tsin."Because that answer is fucking retarded. You either paid for him or you didn't. These little nuances of "not really" is just feeding the drama you claim you hate.


Too many people on this thread, are stuck in the High School years and I can see why...Try less of being in others and wanting to know every fucking detail, and try more of not being a total douche nozzle from time to time and learn to just not give a shit about what others do with their lives. I know I do.
Takes one to know one I suppose.

If you don't want people to ask questions, STFU about it in the first place. You say you know how the PC works but you clearly don't.

You were made to own Tsin. Just saying.

[Widgets]

:nono: forget to disarm any boxes today before you picked them?

What really surprised me though was your immediate tantrum to want to go after the people that threw fruit at you while you were in the stocks :rofl:

Tantrum? It was called ROLEPLAY rofl....Do you literally think I was serious about killing someone for throwing fruit at me? No, sorry

I even went as far as to locate those who DID throw fruit, to kinda give them a scare. Way to jump the gun on that one, you must be the type that can't differentiate in-character, from out.

[Androidpk]

Because that answer is fucking retarded. You either paid for him or you didn't. These little nuances of "not really" is just feeding the drama you claim you hate.



Sure the answer was vague, but it isn't like he OWES anyone here an explanation on the entire process of the transaction.

[Widgets]

Sure the answer was vague, but it isn't like he OWES anyone here an explanation on the entire process of the transaction.

We can just drop it from here on out. I was vague, because I don't NEED to be specific and let everyone know when I masterbate...But at the same time, once someone made mention of the people wanting to know, it went downhill from there. I don't need to please anyone really, when it comes down to it.

I'm not married to anyone here, nor in some sort of relations. So my business for the most part, is my own since it only affects myself and no one else.

If what I said came out the wrong way, so be it. But like I said, people can tend to take one thing and run with it, which was not my intentions, but I should have known better for the most part.

Anyhow, the full details, are out there for those in the need to know them all. So there is nothing else to yap on about

[CrystalTears]

Sure the answer was vague, but it isn't like he OWES anyone here an explanation on the entire process of the transaction.
That's a copout. If you're going to offer any kind of explanation, just have it make sense or don't say anything at all. Are you new to the PC too?

[Tisket]

Anyhow, the full details, are out there for those in the need to know them all. So there is nothing else to yap on about

It cracks me up when the target of a PC anal probe thinks he/she has any say on when it stops.

[Widgets]

That's a copout. If you're going to offer any kind of explanation, just have it make sense or don't say anything at all. Are you new to the PC too?

I never offered an explanation in the first place, people demanded one.

I simply said, I paid nothing out of pocket. That is a statement, not an explanation.

Anyhow, can we all just shut the hell up for a change? heh, this is getting old defending myself from other's opinions

[woolfman72]

Tantrum? It was called ROLEPLAY rofl....Do you literally think I was serious about killing someone for throwing fruit at me? No, sorry

I even went as far as to locate those who DID throw fruit, to kinda give them a scare. Way to jump the gun on that one, you must be the type that can't differentiate in-character, from out.

Well think what you may . As since i don't know you personally . And only witnessed your reactions IN GAME . If i worded it Tsin sure threw a tantrum about people throwing fruit at him. Would it make you happy?

I also was hoping you wouldn't go killing anyone for throwing fruit at you when you killed quite a few people by just not disarming the box first .


Was quite funny sitting in TSC hearing people say Tsin set the trap off , So let them die . I could feel the love

[Widgets]

It cracks me up when the target of a PC anal probe thinks he/she has any say on when it stops.

I don't, it was merely a suggestion.

Do I think it will stop? No, people are anal retentive.

Do I care if it doesn't stop? No, I could care less what e-rep is thrown at me and what people say about me. What matters most to me, is what I know of my own personal character outside of this game. (Not character as in Tsin)

[Androidpk]

Are you new to the PC too?

http://i33.tinypic.com/35l506o.jpg

Seriously though, being vague isn't a copout. It's like someone being asked how much their salary is or what their weight is. Not everyone like's to discuss certain things, and sometimes a vague answer is better then no answer at all.

[Widgets]

Well think what you may . As since i don't know you personally . And only witnessed your reactions IN GAME . If i worded it Tsin sure threw a tantrum about people throwing fruit at him. Would it make you happy?

I also was hoping you wouldn't go killing anyone for throwing fruit at you when you killed quite a few people by just not disarming the box first .


Was quite funny sitting in TSC hearing people say Tsin set the trap off , So let them die . I could feel the love

That would make more sense, but I don't think it was a tantrum. To me, it was more of a 'No one gets fruit on my face!' sort of thing.

And yes, I wasn't about to go kill people just for doing that, when like 5 already died from that trap.

That would be a dick move, even if Tsin is a cold hearted fella. I still, as a player, do things that may likely be out of character for Tsin to others, for the sake of helping them and their game enjoyment. If not, I wouldn't give spells to people, pick their boxes, and rescue them. To me it's just a common curtesy thing I suppose

[Jarvan]

You know, reading this thread and his, " I didn't pay anything out of pocket" statement makes me think of my friend who got one of those deals from a local casino. Free 100 bucks in the account.

He went and played, ran it up to 800 bucks, then lost it all. he was like, well, it's not like I lost any money.

me to him.. "Of course you lost money moron"

or would be like saying, I got a new car for free. The government owed me 11k in overpaid taxes, so I just traded the check for a car instead.

-shakes head-

[Widgets]

You know, reading this thread and his, " I didn't pay anything out of pocket" statement makes me think of my friend who got one of those deals from a local casino. Free 100 bucks in the account.

He went and played, ran it up to 800 bucks, then lost it all. he was like, well, it's not like I lost any money.

me to him.. "Of course you lost money moron"

or would be like saying, I got a new car for free. The government owed me 11k in overpaid taxes, so I just traded the check for a car instead.

-shakes head-

I won 100 bucks last week, Wednesday as a matter of fact, for spending nothing out of my pocket.

Registered online at the casino, for a free 25 dollar comped card, that you had to spend ALL of, and thus could not cash it out. Then, won 100 bucks on a machine, and cashed out 100...I had 2 dollars left on the card, and was still forced to spend it. So in that case, I won 100 bucks, and spent absolutely nothing, since no matter what, I never was getting that 25 off the card.

However, in your friends case, he did lose money out of pocket, since he was up 700. He just was dumb enough to not say, anything over the 100 they give me is awesome, cause I came with nothing and spent technically nothing past the 100

[Latrinsorm]

Someone asked who bought him, I replied and said I did not pay anything out of my own pocket. It was then that other people kept pressing the issue, being the typical leeches like I said and wanting to know everything about what it meant....Instead of simply saying "Oh, ok, Widgets now owns Tsin."And instead of simply saying "ok, I don't really care what you guys think", you've posted in this thread 25 times. Tell me another one about the other people being leeches.

[Widgets]

And instead of simply saying "ok, I don't really care what you guys think", you've posted in this thread 25 times. Tell me another one about the other people being leeches.

I post, in replies to what people say about me.

That's not being a leech.

If I were to be one, I'd ask what you look like, how fat you are, what kind of drugs you do and so forth, but instead I am merely replying to what people are asking/saying of. There is a difference...I'm not sucking the life out of anyone, just responding back when it deems needed.

I could care less what people do with their own lives on here. That's their personal life

[Methais]

Here's the deal though:

- Rumors were already going around before this thread that Tsin got Zimzum'd.

- You come on here saying you didn't pay anything out of pocket for Tsin. Considering the Zimzum'd rumors already going around, you can't expect people to not ask for more details since that could easily be interpreted as you implying that you ripped Tsin off.

- You say you hate drama, but continue being vague anyway, knowing it's gonna exacerbate the situation.

- You eventually explain what the deal was, insisting that you didn't pay anything out of pocket, even though you did. It just happened to be with money someone else owed you, which is still out of your pocket since if you didn't buy Tsin, that money your friend owed you would be in your pocket.

- You call people high school drama queens and leeches or whatever for wanting details on the already-shady-before-this-thread-existed situation, and say you're not controversial after making controversial posts.

Just seems like a lot of contradictions between what you say and what you do is all. Such as...


They asked for drama, so I drew it out!

If you hated drama, you wouldn't have drawn it out to begin with, imho.

If you empty your savings account into a plain white bag with a big "$" in the middle of it while wearing a black & white horizontally striped outfit, are people leeches or drama queens for asking if you robbed a bank when your answer to "Where'd you get all that money?" was "The bank teller and I had a nice little chat."?

One last thing:


Tsin


ROLEPLAY

I wouldn't even bother with that character. Just my opinion. That'd be like buying Edward and then not dying. People probably just won't take it seriously.

[Tisket]

Personally, I think that Widgets, well knowing Tsin's reputation, thought to himself that if he were to let a rumor out that he somehow got the upper hand on the original owner that people might be somehow admiring of him as the new owner and more accepting.

Kinda backfired I'd say.

[Asha]

* Tsin just bit the dust! [6:05 pm]

On the third floor as well. Lol looserrr!!

[Widgets]

* Tsin just bit the dust! [6:05 pm]

On the third floor as well. Lol looserrr!!

haha yeah, It's stupid that fucking rogues can't learn Charge :(

A triton radical rushes forward at you with his bronze scaling fork and attempts a charge!
[Roll result: 182 (open d100: 126)]
A triton radical lunges at you with an awesome charge and you flip through the air, landing on your head with a crash!
... 40 points of damage!
Strike punctures throat and ruins vocal cords!

[Widgets]

Personally, I think that Widgets, well knowing Tsin's reputation, thought to himself that if he were to let a rumor out that he somehow got the upper hand on the original owner that people might be somehow admiring of him as the new owner and more accepting.

Kinda backfired I'd say.

Nah, simply coming out and saying WHO Bought Tsin was enough for me to know that most people would understand that he's in somewhat good hands.

My reputation, I'd like to think, is of a good one for the most part. Aside from me being so undecisive and quitting, only to come back a few weeks later....I own up to that nonsense heh

[Some Rogue]

Personally, I think that Widgets, well knowing Tsin's reputation, thought to himself that if he were to let a rumor out that he somehow got the upper hand on the original owner that people might be somehow admiring of him as the new owner and more accepting.

Kinda backfired I'd say.

DING DING DING

[Methais]

haha yeah, It's stupid that fucking rogues can't learn Charge :(

A triton radical rushes forward at you with his bronze scaling fork and attempts a charge!
[Roll result: 182 (open d100: 126)]
A triton radical lunges at you with an awesome charge and you flip through the air, landing on your head with a crash!
... 40 points of damage!
Strike punctures throat and ruins vocal cords!

Isn't Tsin in Sunfist? Put up your crit padding sigil and you should never be death critted by that again. That's been my experience so far anyway and I'm sporting leathers.

[Widgets]

Isn't Tsin in Sunfist? Put up your crit padding sigil and you should never be death critted by that again. That's been my experience so far anyway and I'm sporting leathers.

No longer is.

[Cephalopod]

I'm going to lol if he retrains Tsin as a locksmith.

[Lumi]

haha yeah, It's stupid that fucking rogues can't learn Charge :(

A triton radical rushes forward at you with his bronze scaling fork and attempts a charge!
[Roll result: 182 (open d100: 126)]
A triton radical lunges at you with an awesome charge and you flip through the air, landing on your head with a crash!
... 40 points of damage!
Strike punctures throat and ruins vocal cords!

You're welcome, btw :D

[Beldonn]

Your LOL is currently in process baconboy. He's in the tower learning lock mastery. Must...assess....lockpicks.

[Widgets]

I'm going to lol if he retrains Tsin as a locksmith.

Yup, already am a Locksmith. Gonna learn Lock Mastery I suppose, since he does't have shit for it right now

[Celephais]

Someone asked who bought him, I replied and said I did not pay anything out of my own pocket.
Why wasn't your reply simply "me" ... there was no need to mention the "nothing out of pocket" if you didn't want drama.


Seriously though, being vague isn't a copout. It's like someone being asked how much their salary is or what their weight is. Not everyone like's to discuss certain things, and sometimes a vague answer is better then no answer at all.
Methais' example is much better but, if I asked what your salary was, and your answer was "I am given special perks that are worth way more than money", you would expect that person to reply with "oh.. well what are the perks" if you simply said "I'd rather not share" it'd likely end there. When you then answer that your special perks are direct deposited checks, you should expect people to A. See that you were intentionally drawing them out for the followup question, and B. be told you're an idiot because what you said is a vague technicality.


Tisket and Methais realy hit the nail on the head here... keep backpedaling... if you knew how the PC works you'd know drama dies the second you own up to your mistakes, the PC won't let go of an issue if backpedal, just ask backlash.

[Widgets]

Why wasn't your reply simply "me" ... there was no need to mention the "nothing out of pocket" if you didn't want drama.


Methais' example is much better but, if I asked what your salary was, and your answer was "I am given special perks that are worth way more than money", you would expect that person to reply with "oh.. well what are the perks" if you simply said "I'd rather not share" it'd likely end there. When you then answer that your special perks are direct deposited checks, you should expect people to A. See that you were intentionally drawing them out for the followup question, and B. be told you're an idiot because what you said is a vague technicality.


Tisket and Methais realy hit the nail on the head here... keep backpedaling... if you knew how the PC works you'd know drama dies the second you own up to your mistakes, the PC won't let go of an issue if backpedal, just ask backlash.

I'm not backpedaling. As for saying just "me", I already mentioned in the other Thread that I purchased him.

Regardless, it's a silly argument when it comes down to it

[Celephais]

I'm not backpedaling. As for saying just "me", I already mentioned in the other Thread that I purchased him.
But that's not all you said in this thread. In this thread you specifically said you paid no money out of pocket.

I didn't scam Tsin/Mike per say, he did get his cash. However, I can say that to this day, I literally paid 0 cash out of my own pocket for this rogue.
Do you really not see this as a baited statement? See if you stopped at that first sentence you would have been fine, that's what normal people would have done if they didn't want to go into details. "I didn't scam Tsin." would have been it.


Regardless, it's a silly argument when it comes down to it
Are you expecting to find anything serious on these forums? We'll argue over anything.

[AnticorRifling]

Are you expecting to find anything serious on these forums? We'll argue over anything. No we don't. Fuck you.

[Androidpk]

BTW.

Cthulhu panties.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/vanitiesandloveseats/8301_07copy.jpg

[Parkbandit]

BTW.

Cthulhu panties.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/vanitiesandloveseats/8301_07copy.jpg

Finally... an ass I can appreciate in this thread.

[Methais]

No longer is.

What made you decide that? Sunfist > CoL/Voln by far.


Are you expecting to find anything serious on these forums? We'll argue over anything.

http://www.weblogcartoons.com/cartoons/internet.gif

[Latrinsorm]

knowing it's gonna exacerbate the situation.Am I the only one who can't hear/read this phrase without remembering Shaun of the Dead?

[Widgets]

What made you decide that? Sunfist > CoL/Voln by far.



http://www.weblogcartoons.com/cartoons/internet.gif

Got tired with the upkeep durations and Stamina Costs. Besides, I don't really need any of the sigils.

Only time I've been getting hit is from the manuevers, and I'll end up getting HCP armor shortly too I'm sure.

I like being able to run my script, that upkeeps everything for me...Signs, surge, focus, smastery and not have to worry about waiting on Stamina and shit. It was just too annoying for my tastes

[Celephais]

Am I the only one who can't hear/read this phrase without remembering Shaun of the Dead?
Yup, that word has been 100% co-opped by Shaun of the Dead

[Cephalopod]

I hate drama! ;)

Either way, he's in good hands now.

Yes, I may be wishy washy when it comes to saying I'm quitting for good and so forth, but things change, I'm not the first to quit and return 19898 times...And now that I have one of the oldest/highest TP earned Rogues in-game, I won't be going anywhere anytime soon...Unless I'm offered a 2 Brazilian porn stars for trade most likely

Just realized this whole post was worth quoting for posterity. Thanks PB, for pointing it out!

[CrystalTears]

Does that mean he got those 2 Brazilian porn stars? :D

[ElvenFury]

YES.

http://www.papermag.com/blogs/june24-duda-2.jpg

[Inspire]

I didn't scam Tsin/Mike per say, he did get his cash. However, I can say that to this day, I literally paid 0 cash out of my own pocket for this rogue.

Classic. Bump.

[Gizmo]

Classic. Bump.

Thanks for quoting me that I paid him...

[Inspire]

Thanks for quoting me that I paid him...

Did your friend come along and pay Mike on your behalf? (Like the shadowdeath vambraces?)

[Gizmo]

Did your friend come along and pay Mike on your behalf? (Like the shadowdeath vambraces?)

Here, let me help your downie brownie brain comprehend this quote too..


I didn't scam Tsin/Mike per say, he did get his cash. However, I can say that to this day, I literally paid 0 cash out of my *own* pocket for this rogue.

[Ayamei]

http://www.papermag.com/blogs/june24-duda-2.jpg

Look at the guy to the right right, with the sunglasses. You can see his untanned bum.

[Asha]

Look at the guy to the right right, with the sunglasses. You can see his untanned bum.

I didn't want to look but I did. :(

[Ryvicke]

Here, let me help your downie brownie brain comprehend this quote too..

Why don't you just go back to only using the Widgets account? Or the NoGnomes account? How do you decide which one to post on?

[Inspire]

I think he created a new character too. Emineus

[Gizmo]

I think he created a new character too. Emineus

No Gnoble, you are wrong yet again, fucking idiot

That would be Helsfeld.

[Gizmo]

Why don't you just go back to only using the Widgets account? Or the NoGnomes account? How do you decide which one to post on?

Usually the oldest one takes precedent.

In this case, Gizmo. I tend to make PC names when I return to GS with new alts etc instead of sticking with that one, which I have no idea why but I do/did.

I created Widgets I think shortly after I made him and was starting to have fun with him while everyone thought he was goofy.

I still have Widgets too of course, but he doesn't come out much

[Inspire]

Usually the oldest one takes precedent.

In this case, Gizmo. I tend to make PC names when I return to GS with new alts etc instead of sticking with that one, which I have no idea why but I do/did.

I created Widgets I think shortly after I made him and was starting to have fun with him while everyone thought he was goofy.

I still have Widgets too of course, but he doesn't come out much


I know why you create new names. Everyone else does too.
Do you really think the people of the PC are that stupid?


It is cute how you avoided Ryvicke and immediately responded to my post though.

F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, Faster!

[Gizmo]

I know why you create new names. Everyone else does too.
Do you really think the people of the PC are that stupid?


It is cute how you avoided Ryvicke and immediately responded to my post though.

F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, Faster!

I posted to Ryvicke too...Your F5 musta failed you.

I created Widgets, long before I had any "bad" rep on here, and posted . So there goes that delusion out the window too since when I created it, I was posting with a good rep

[Izzy]

I know why you create new names. Everyone else does too.
Do you really think the people of the PC are that stupid?


It is cute how you avoided Ryvicke and immediately responded to my post though.

F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, F5, Faster!

You do the exact same fucking thing. Do YOU think the people of the PC are that stupid?