Wanted: Weightless Container, High-End Aug Chain, Gem Chisel

[Danical]

Weightless Container: multi-tier is preferred

Aug Chain: 7x+, Crit Padding of Very Heavy or better.

Gem Chisel!

[Sylvan Dreams]

What do gem chisels go for these days?

[Danical]

What do gem chisels go for these days?

No idea. I wouldn't pay too much for them considering after I ran the numbers on them they only increase your profit by a slim margin.

I thought the last one went for 100m in like 30 seconds.

[Ardwen]

got something like 25-30 pct return on total value with my chisel, course that was ages ago. Also only sold it for like 55 million, in the long run a bard is a better investment then a chisel.

[WRoss]

Danical is a bard and very far post-cap.

As far as weightless multi-tiered, I haven't seen any for sale in a long, long time. I know of two currently and they won't move.

I know someone with a chisel. I'll ask them about it as they don't post here.

[kookiegod]

Danical is a bard and very far post-cap.

As far as weightless multi-tiered, I haven't seen any for sale in a long, long time. I know of two currently and they won't move.

I know someone with a chisel. I'll ask them about it as they don't post here.

Doug has two, they aren't selling...ever.

Chisels, no idea. I think they overpriced for what they do. If you're a capped bard (which you are) AND got an empath slave, will help, but its a lot of work and gems to recoup your 100+m investment.

High end aug chain, tough one. I got a great deal on some 4x dcp self mana heal2 chain shirt recently, sold off my 7x vhcp lbp, sold off my 8x mcp hauberk before the big auction this summer we did, and is a set of 4x mcp hauberk I sold @ said auction floating out there. Need an AsG changer IF you could get your hands on them

~Paul

[Stretch]

The last guy who sold one (rogue/bard...want to say it was Snook, but can't remember the name for some reason) wanted something like 150m for it.

Even when I was playing absurd hours, it would have taken years to break even on it in gem value (not counting intrinsic value).



EDIT: lulz, you have as much luck finding one as I did getting a bottomless quiver

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=21808

[BriarFox]

There's a set of 8x hdp aug chain available, but I'm not sure about hcp+.

[NocturnalRob]

wasn't Durfin selling one last year? just track it down.

chisel, that is

[Odysia]

There's a set of 8x hdp aug chain available, .

Yep. I have a set :)

[BriarFox]

Yep. I have a set :)

That's the one. ;)

[Lumi]

No idea. I wouldn't pay too much for them considering after I ran the numbers on them they only increase your profit by a slim margin.

I thought the last one went for 100m in like 30 seconds.

100m was the selling price of the last one I saw.

I quickly decided it wasn't worth it. It would take forever to recoup the cost, before one even starts making profit. Figure, at best you get 5k per uncut diamond or analogous gem. Assuming you are able to get EVERY diamond you find up to 10k (you can't) and NEVER blow any up (you will, d100=1 is always out there :(), that's 100,000,000/5000 == 20,000 uncut diamonds (or analogous gems) that you'd need to cover the cost of the chisel itself.

No thank you :(

Bard > chisel, for sure :D

[Androidpk]

What's the point of having a gem chisel then, especially if the asking price is 100m?

[Belnia]

'cause you can re-sell it for that price and keep everything you did make off of it?

[Drew]

I saw a gem chisel sell for 45 million a few years back. These things are really worth what you pay for them and I sure as hell wouldn't pay 100 for one.

[Sylvan Dreams]

I originally paid 20 for mine. It has definitely been worth the price. Especially now that I have my own bard to purify with.

[Lumi]

I originally paid 20 for mine. It has definitely been worth the price. Especially now that I have my own bard to purify with.

20m is much less insane, but even still, that's 4000 perfect gems you'd need to chisel to break even. How long does that take? How long have you had the chisel?

[Sylvan Dreams]

20m is much less insane, but even still, that's 4000 perfect gems you'd need to chisel to break even. How long does that take? How long have you had the chisel?

I think I bought it in 1997 or so, around there. It was in GS3, before the rift and EN were added.

[Lumi]

I think I bought it in 1997 or so, around there. It was in GS3, before the rift and EN were added.

Heh. Well in that case, yes, I imagine you've had a chance to make back your money.

I'd love a gem chisel, it'd be perfect for my character to have, but no way am I dropping more than 25m on one of those, tops. Just not worth it.

[Celephais]

Heh. Well in that case, yes, I imagine you've had a chance to make back your money.

I'd love a gem chisel, it'd be perfect for my character to have, but no way am I dropping more than 25m on one of those, tops. Just not worth it.
I don't think you're considering the intrinsic value of the chisels either. After all is said and done you'd be able to sell the chisel for about what you bought it for. That and even if the chisels only increased overall gem value by about 20% (after all losses), so you'd need 125m worth of gems to "double your investment", a person in the tier this is aimed at (read: likely capped, likely playing more than is normal) would probably take less than a year.

Essentially this becomes a lifetime transferable annuity based on how actively you gather treasure, the intrinsic value will always make the pricetag seem absurd.

[AestheticDeath]

Pretty sure I was the last one to move a chisel, unless my buyer got rid of it. I sold it for $1200.

I don't recall who it was, but it was a female with a long character name. She said she had owned one in years prior, but got rid of it when leaving the game, and decided to get another when she saw mine for sale after coming back to the game. She obviously liked hers enough to buy another even at a much higher price later.

This chisel was Durfins, he sold it to someone, and that someone or someone who bought it from that someone, sold it to me. Pretty sure it moved more then once between him and me though. Seems like I recall it moved like 4 times or something within 6-10 months.(edit: actually seems like fallensaint? may have bought it from durfin, then a guy bought it from him and sold it to me later when he left the game as part of an account deal.)

I still have some of my data I collected on it and the gems I chiseled somewhere. Though I didn't get very far.

And for those of you who are talking it down because of the purchase price and how long it would take you to get it back. You have to realize how it works in conjunction with a bard. And how SUPER fast someone like Gnimble can procure gems from the capped hunting areas if they wanted to.

I had a certain post cap character supplying me with a small sampling of 'left-over' gems from his hunting adventures. I was easily able to purchase several thousand a week if I wished. And included in those was a ton of higher quality gems like diamonds and emeralds and such.

Now imagine collecting gems from more than one such individual, and going through only high end gems.

Once you bard sing those to 10k, and THEN chisel them for an average 23%~ you can make a ton of money.

With a bard, the chisel, and capped trading skill, it is a pretty brisk business if you have the time and effort to put into it. At the time I had a barely post cap bard trained for maxed purifying, and a post cap elf character with capped Charisma, and trading skill, plus a few enchancives(which I don't recall if the enhancives worked). It was very common to sell a diamond/emerald for 20k or near to it.

Also, before I had them fix the bug where you could RE-chisel the same gem multiple times until it busts at some point, you could have made millions in a day. I believe when I discovered that, I had tried it on one gem, on accident. But after that first time, and realizing what I had done, I was like WTF? Tried it some more, less than 10? times. And I had a gem worth almost 50k. Woulda been super awesome if that wasn't a bug.

[Lumi]

I don't think you're considering the intrinsic value of the chisels either. After all is said and done you'd be able to sell the chisel for about what you bought it for. That and even if the chisels only increased overall gem value by about 20% (after all losses), so you'd need 125m worth of gems to "double your investment", a person in the tier this is aimed at (read: likely capped, likely playing more than is normal) would probably take less than a year.

Essentially this becomes a lifetime transferable annuity based on how actively you gather treasure, the intrinsic value will always make the pricetag seem absurd.

I get that, but I just don't really have an interest in that sort of thing. If I buy a toy, I want it to be permanent, and I don't want to run the risk of something devaluing the initial investment later (release of more chisels, natural market fluctuations, new information about the buy/sell formula, etc.)


And for those of you who are talking it down because of the purchase price and how long it would take you to get it back. You have to realize how it works in conjunction with a bard. And how SUPER fast someone like Gnimble can procure gems from the capped hunting areas if they wanted to.

I am a near-cap bard :P And even Gnimble seems to be of the opinion that the profit margin is slim.


I had a certain post cap character supplying me with a small sampling of 'left-over' gems from his hunting adventures. I was easily able to purchase several thousand a week if I wished. And included in those was a ton of higher quality gems like diamonds and emeralds and such.

Now imagine collecting gems from more than one such individual, and going through only high end gems.

Sounds like a nifty scheme, but not what most people have access to.


Once you bard sing those to 10k, and THEN chisel them for an average 23%~ you can make a ton of money.

How? The numbers I ran earlier in this thread were about twice as generous as what you're putting forth here, AND I was assume perfect results. The sheer amount of time it would take to sing to all these gems is daunting. Maybe if GS is your full-time job, I guess...

[Celephais]

I get that, but I just don't really have an interest in that sort of thing. If I buy a toy, I want it to be permanent, and I don't want to run the risk of something devaluing the initial investment later (release of more chisels, natural market fluctuations, new information about the buy/sell formula, etc.)
I think you have to realize then that this sort of item just isn't for you. There are people with the entrepreneurialship (can I "ial" that?) to make it work.

[Lumi]

I think you have to realize then that this sort of item just isn't for you. There are people with the entrepreneurialship (can I "ial" that?) to make it work.

If by "entrepreneurial skill" you mean "access to multiple characters for gem gathering and enough time to play GS as if it were a full-time job", then I would agree.

I think it sucks that that the things have become so expensive that they're not worth it for someone playing the game "normally", because from an IC-perspective, I am EXACTLY who something like that is for.

[AestheticDeath]

You aren't exactly who something like that is for if you aren't throwing coins at it right this moment.

It is one of a very old set of items, which hasn't been replicated since, and most likely never will be. They nerf more old items than they replicate.

And yes, the 'profit' side does not come from someone who half asses the game with a couple hours a day or less, or someone who role plays.

As far as my experience went, I AFK scripted the purifying portion of the whole thing. And more than doubling the raw vendor value of the gems is awesome no matter how you go about it. The fact that you can get very close to the same price without the chisel doesn't really matter. This is an item for those who want to go that one extra step, and maximize profit. Not just increase it.

[Celephais]

If you want the roleplaying aspect of chiseling gems... get a gemcutter, much cheaper.

[AestheticDeath]

Yet again more expensive than they probably should be. Last I knew anyways.

[Danical]

Soooooooooooooo . . .

Any word on the whereabouts of a possible chisel for sale?

[Celephais]

Yet again more expensive than they probably should be. Last I knew anyways.
True, but certainly attainable for someone if they felt it was "character defining".

[Lumi]

You aren't exactly who something like that is for if you aren't throwing coins at it right this moment.

So...the only people it's for are the ones who can keep up with the insane inflation of the market? Yah, that makes sense. And a master quality instrument isn't meant for any bard who can't cough up 25m, right?

Who an item would fit and who can necessarily afford it aren't always the same thing.


And yes, the 'profit' side does not come from someone who half asses the game with a couple hours a day or less, or someone who role plays.

So again, this comes down to "if you have a real job, instead of playing GS as your major 40-hour-a-week commitment, you don't deserve nice things"?


As far as my experience went, I AFK scripted the purifying portion of the whole thing. And more than doubling the raw vendor value of the gems is awesome no matter how you go about it. The fact that you can get very close to the same price without the chisel doesn't really matter. This is an item for those who want to go that one extra step, and maximize profit. Not just increase it.

The bolded part is certainly one reason why I have a problem with your approach, and definitely why I don't think the chisels should be relegated to people who approach GS like automatons.

As for the rest, what the hell else do you think I would do with a chisel? Of course you purify first. Why else would I want it?

[Drunken Durfin]

wasn't Durfin selling one last year? just track it down.

chisel, that is

Yeah, I had one for a while I used in conjunction with a bard. After several months of tracking values I got rid of it. Infer what you will.

[Celephais]

So again, this comes down to "if you have a real job, instead of playing GS as your major 40-hour-a-week commitment, you don't deserve nice things"?
You're aware this works like everything else in life, right? I can understand your frustration, but that's the way it is... Nice things go to those who work hard for them or exploit the hard work of others... or are lucky.

[Lumi]

You're aware this works like everything else in life, right? I can understand your frustration, but that's the way it is... Nice things go to those who work hard for them or exploit the hard work of others... or are lucky.

So what the fuck is your point in all this? I'm only frustrated because it would be nice to have, and I know I will never get one. I can also deal quite well with the fact; I'm not losing any sleep over this. But acting like no one deserves one or should even express interest in one just because it's been inflated to a stupidly high relative cost is pretty shitty.

[AestheticDeath]

So...the only people it's for are the ones who can keep up with the insane inflation of the market? Yah, that makes sense. And a master quality instrument isn't meant for any bard who can't cough up 25m, right?

Who an item would fit and who can necessarily afford it aren't always the same thing.



So again, this comes down to "if you have a real job, instead of playing GS as your major 40-hour-a-week commitment, you don't deserve nice things"?



The bolded part is certainly one reason why I have a problem with your approach, and definitely why I don't think the chisels should be relegated to people who approach GS like automatons.

As for the rest, what the hell else do you think I would do with a chisel? Of course you purify first. Why else would I want it?

A Bugatti Veyron would fit me nicely. My style and all that. Unfortunately I cannot keep up with real world inflation so I will never likely attain one.

Realistically you can have your real job and play GS less than 40 hours a week and still maintain a sizable bankroll in the game to be able to afford larger items like this. You don't have to use RL money, and you don't have to script or cheat the game. You just have to put forth some real effort to attain that one goal. If you don't try and save money, and always wind up buying little things, you won't ever reach the larger stuff without 'winning the lottery.'

And OHNOES, I script a process which takes 50x longer than it should. So I shouldn't be allowed the privilege of owning a chisel? HAH

Well I have a problem with a game so fucking stupid and monotonous that I feel I have to script something.

You are not the only person who wants a chisel, and you are most definitely not the only person who cannot afford it that thinks its just right for them. I mean who doesn't like free money?

[Inspire]

Screw the chisel! Someone sell me a self-knowledge 604, or I guess just the 604 gloves.

[Celephais]

So what the fuck is your point in all this? I'm only frustrated because it would be nice to have, and I know I will never get one. I can also deal quite well with the fact; I'm not losing any sleep over this.
Yeesh Lumi, normally I rather like your posts but come'on, it's pretty clear you're getting more worked worked up over this than you should. I'm not vested in making a point.. I'm just getting my postcount over 9000.

But acting like no one deserves one or should even express interest in one just because it's been inflated to a stupidly high relative cost is pretty shitty.
When did I say this? I was actually advocating it as worth whatever anyone pays for it, especially if they can resell it later for the same price or more.

I think it'd be great if they made gem chiseling an actual artisan skill, requiring the purchase of tools and a sizable investment in funding the education, and made it more readily available to pleebs, but as it is right now, it's not.

Appologise to Vulva for this mess in your thread... at least it's getting bumped :D

[Drew]

Lumi: You know the other thing, it's not hard to make coins in Gem. I don't have a lot of time to play, I have coins/nice items. I could own a gem chisel if I desired one. On the other hand my character isn't capped or near capped. It's all about priorities. If you want a gem chisel you can have one with the amount of time you have for Gem. But I saw your character dying in the bowels relatively frequently, so I know you have time to hunt. If you have time to hunt, you have time to make coins in Gem. While your character was gaining levels mine was making money, if you don't have a lot of time it's hard to do both.

[Danical]

Appologise to Vulva for this mess in your thread... at least it's getting bumped :D

I do appreciate the bumps :D

[Lumi]

When did I say this?


I think you have to realize then that this sort of item just isn't for you. There are people with the entrepreneurialship (can I "ial" that?) to make it work.




Lumi: You know the other thing, it's not hard to make coins in Gem. I don't have a lot of time to play, I have coins/nice items. I could own a gem chisel if I desired one. On the other hand my character isn't capped or near capped. It's all about priorities. If you want a gem chisel you can have one with the amount of time you have for Gem. But I saw your character dying in the bowels relatively frequently, so I know you have time to hunt. If you have time to hunt, you have time to make coins in Gem. While your character was gaining levels mine was making money, if you don't have a lot of time it's hard to do both.

...how exactly do you think I am trying to make money? I made 10m in the two months that I hunted the bowels because of the stupid rate of gem drops there. My character is not a skinner, he's built to make money off of gems.

I don't have the disposable income to drop $800 on a chisel. I don't have a big block of premium points to cash in for it either.


Yeesh Lumi, normally I rather like your posts but come'on, it's pretty clear you're getting more worked worked up over this than you should.

Holy shit, I'm not worked up about the chisel at all. Like I said before, I am fine with the fact that I'll never own one. The only thing that has pissed me off at all in this thread is people acting like the only ones who deserve nice things are the richest of the rich. There are plenty of other decent people who play this game who, for various reasons, don't have Ardwen-level bankrolls, who would still enjoy and make good use of such an item, and I think it's a shame that they never will. It's the attitude much more than the reality that bugs me, but then again that something that bothers me about life in general, not just GS.

Again, I'm not bitching that I don't have one, and I'm not saying that someone should just give me one. I'm simply lamenting the fact that they've become vastly more unattainable for 99% of the population, including some people whose characters would have a very legitimate RP reason to own one, in addition to the (obvious) nice mechanical benefits.



And OHNOES, I script a process which takes 50x longer than it should. So I shouldn't be allowed the privilege of owning a chisel? HAH


Realistically you can have your real job and play GS less than 40 hours a week and still maintain a sizable bankroll in the game to be able to afford larger items like this. You don't have to use RL money, and you don't have to script or cheat the game.

Huh.

And I never said anything about you not deserving a chisel, but I question the fact that you're using AFK scripting as part of your rationale for how the chisel can be used to efficiently generate profits. If you weren't doing any of that AFK scripting, how much less would you have made with it? Pardon me for wanting to play by the rules.

[Celephais]

But acting like no one deserves one or should even express interest in one just because it's been inflated to a stupidly high relative cost is pretty shitty.When did I say this?


I think you have to realize then that this sort of item just isn't for you. There are people with the entrepreneurialship (can I "ial" that?) to make it work.
.. I still stand by that. I never said that "No one" deserves it, and I said nothing about expressing interest. I simply stated that I don't think the item is for you. So you pulled 10m in 2 months... okay, 18 months to go.

GS is a goal oriented game, a LONG TERM goal oriented game. How long did it take you to get to the level you're at? I'm guessing more than 18 months. If a chisel really fits your character, this is obtainable.

[Lumi]

.. I still stand by that. I never said that "No one" deserves it,



I think you have to realize then that this sort of item just isn't for you.


How exactly do you interpret that? If they released a runestaff that gave +100 to Demo and Necro lore ranks, but some ranger had the biggest bankroll at the auction and decided to buy it out for more than any sorcerer could afford, would you say that the runestaff wasn't for a sorcerer?

A gem chisel would be a pretty good item for a bard rockhound who takes pride in creating extremely high quality gems. Whether or not it's affordable for said bard is another story.


So you pulled 10m in 2 months... okay, 18 months to go.

That was in response to Drew's comment that I'm choosing hunting over making money. Hunting IS how I make money. I also realize that other people are more efficient than me, I wasn't trying to claim that I'm some kind of amazing profit generator (I know I'm not).

But 10m in 2 months is a pretty big deal to a guy who has been playing for about 15 years and has a grand total of 35m in the bank, and owns a single 8-figure item (my familiar flute, which I will never, ever sell).

[Fallen]

How exactly do you interpret that? If they released a runestaff that gave +100 to Demo and Necro lore ranks, but some ranger had the biggest bankroll at the auction and decided to buy it out for more than any sorcerer could afford, would you say that the runestaff wasn't for a sorcerer?

There are a few idiots out there that fancy themselves "Artifact collectors" that would do just this. They would claim their character, who would gain no use from the item mechanically, would get just as much out of it as anyone else. I don't happen to agree, but it is their money, they can blow it how they please.

[Sylvan Dreams]

I must say, 1200 for a chisel would be a tempting offer to consider accepting.

[Danical]

I think we can all agree the chisel prices have been insanely inflated over the years and especially now that the profit margin has been brought under the microscope.

:grouphug:

[Danical]

I must say, 1200 for a chisel would be a tempting offer to consider accepting.

And that's the sad reality. I wouldn't even consider offering more than 75m in coin/cash. Even that is pushing it.

[Asha]

It's maddening when people buy items they cannot use but decide to store away and get a kick out of just keeping the item and sometimes even say they will NEVER part with it.
But in the same instance, I don't particularly care if said person who can afford it and use it effectively gets it either since it won't ever affect me. :)
Yeah I'm mixed opinion.

[Celephais]

How exactly do you interpret that? If they released a runestaff that gave +100 to Demo and Necro lore ranks, but some ranger had the biggest bankroll at the auction and decided to buy it out for more than any sorcerer could afford, would you say that the runestaff wasn't for a sorcerer?

A gem chisel would be a pretty good item for a bard rockhound who takes pride in creating extremely high quality gems. Whether or not it's affordable for said bard is another story.
I never said the chisel wasn't for you because it didn't fit your character, I said it wasn't for you because you as a player seem to be saying you wouldn't justify spending 100m on a chisel... so then no, it's not for you, it's "for" some other bard who takes pride in creating high quality gems but who has the dedication to pull it off. Besides, who an item is for, sorc staff or no, makes zero difference when it comes to the auctionhouse. Rich jackasses buy expensive art and put them in vaults, you think that's what the artist wanted? No, but that's what's happened.


But 10m in 2 months is a pretty big deal to a guy who has been playing for about 15 years and has a grand total of 35m in the bank, and owns a single 8-figure item
Sounds like you're well on your way then... things get easier the higher you get, if you focused I bet you could have your 100m in a year.

my familiar flute, which I will never, ever sell
Just so you know... this is exactly how the chisels got to be so highly priced. People get attached to something and they won't let go unless an offer really peaks their interest.

[Drew]

That was in response to Drew's comment that I'm choosing hunting over making money. Hunting IS how I make money. I also realize that other people are more efficient than me, I wasn't trying to claim that I'm some kind of amazing profit generator (I know I'm not).

But 10m in 2 months is a pretty big deal to a guy who has been playing for about 15 years and has a grand total of 35m in the bank, and owns a single 8-figure item (my familiar flute, which I will never, ever sell).

This is exactly my point. You are making 5 million a month, that's very little. If you dedicated yourself to merchanting instead of hunting you could have the amount needed for a gem chisel in short order. But merchanting doesn't give you exp, you are choosing exp over making coins. Which is exactly what I said to begin with. Sure you make a little money hunting, but it's mostly for exp. If you want to own a gem chisel, you could. You choose not to.

[Sylvan Dreams]

If you want to own a gem chisel, you could. You choose not to.

She'd also have to find someone who actually would part with it, which doesn't appear to be all that common. I have to wonder if the chisel sales in the past few years weren't always of the same one being moved around.

[AMUSED1]

How exactly do you interpret that? If they released a runestaff that gave +100 to Demo and Necro lore ranks, but some ranger had the biggest bankroll at the auction and decided to buy it out for more than any sorcerer could afford, would you say that the runestaff wasn't for a sorcerer?

I'd feel sorry for whoever bought it considering enhancives cap out at +50 bonus. Even if a sorcerer bought it.

[Lumi]

Just so you know... this is exactly how the chisels got to be so highly priced. People get attached to something and they won't let go unless an offer really peaks their interest.

I think there's a huge difference between a chisel and a familiar instrument. The latter can ONLY be used by bards, and is much more heavily integrated into my character than an inanimate object would be. Look at the wizard community, I bet any number of them would dish out the cost of this instrument just so they could have the same familiar all the time without a second thought, but I doubt they'd be nearly as interested in the chisel.


She'd

He :P


also have to find someone who actually would part with it, which doesn't appear to be all that common. I have to wonder if the chisel sales in the past few years weren't always of the same one being moved around.

Good point. I don't know how many chisels are actually out there, how many are in lockers that have been forgotten, how many have been lost permanently, etc.


This is exactly my point. You are making 5 million a month, that's very little. If you dedicated yourself to merchanting instead of hunting you could have the amount needed for a gem chisel in short order. But merchanting doesn't give you exp, you are choosing exp over making coins. Which is exactly what I said to begin with. Sure you make a little money hunting, but it's mostly for exp. If you want to own a gem chisel, you could. You choose not to.

You make it sound like "merchanting" is just pulling a lever marked "money". Not everyone has the time, inventory, connections, or savvy to make money they way Ciston & Co. can.

(That is not a slam in any way, for the record.)

I used to sit around Landing years ago and just bought and sold shit all day long, and I made decent money. Then I started hunting more, and made less money. Then I trained up a bunch of manipulation ranks and started singing the crap out of all my gems and found that I was making good money AND advancing toward the cap. This is the most efficient use of my time.

[kookiegod]

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You make it sound like "merchanting" is just pulling a lever marked "money". Not everyone has the time, inventory, connections, or savvy to make money they way Ciston & Co. can.

(That is not a slam in any way, for the record.)


I think the majority of people who have 'things' have played for years, and spent the majority of their time working on aquiring things, rather than levels. If I remember correctly, I don't think Ciston ever got past 50 in GS3.

Tsin obviously was an exception, but he really did run it as his job, and he had no moral compass whatsoever.

The majority of merchant types do it cause thats the 'fun' of GS for them. Isn't any real or wrong way to play.

As far as the chisel, yah, I think its the only one out there thats constantly being bought and sold. The other two I am aware of, aren't going anywhere. Same with lots of things as been mentioned, including Lumi's flute.

Why I've myself made a consious effort to trade and sell things I don't use anymore for things I do. Do I buy stuff for resale at merchants and events? Yep. Going to keep doing it. Its the fun for me. But either I'll get a use out of it, or sell it/trade it at another time. And while my shop has buyout prices, most people know I haggle a great deal. Just gotta ask.

EG's coming up, should be a blast by all leading indicators.

~Paul

[Stunseed]

< Why I've myself made a consious effort to trade and sell things I don't use anymore for things I do. Do I buy stuff for resale at merchants and events? Yep. Going to keep doing it. Its the fun for me. But either I'll get a use out of it, or sell it/trade it at another time. And while my shop has buyout prices, most people know I haggle a great deal. Just gotta ask. >

I'm the same. I buy a toy, and when I sell it, I "try" to ensure it goes to the hands of someone who's going to use it, for the right person occasionally for a loss. Silvers come and go, but enriching the experience for someone else makes it worth it to me.

[Belnia]

I've made about 20m in the past week just buying and selling things. I like my money lever.

[BigWorm]

She'd


He :P

You should forgive Debia as I thought you were a female until then as well.

[Lumi]

You should forgive Debia as I thought you were a female until then as well.

Oh, I'm not bothered by it at all anymore. I'm amused, if anything, because for whatever reason it's a mistake that people seem to make frequently on the officials and here. Even in game, a few times, which really boggles me.

But I still correct it when it happens ;)

[BriarFox]

Oh, I'm not bothered by it at all anymore. I'm amused, if anything, because for whatever reason it's a mistake that people seem to make frequently on the officials and here. Even in game, a few times, which really boggles me.

But I still correct it when it happens ;)

Some people think Nuadjha's a girl, too. Want to braid each other's hair??

[pabstblueribbon]

Some people think Nuadjha's a girl, too. Want to braid each other's hair??

Oh my goodneth, pillow fight!!

[Celephais]

I'm the same. I buy a toy, and when I sell it, I "try" to ensure it goes to the hands of someone who's going to use it, for the right person occasionally for a loss. Silvers come and go, but enriching the experience for someone else makes it worth it to me.
You sound like the guy from "Wheeler Dealers" that show boggles my mind, it's a show about making money flipping cars, and he always sells it at a huge loss.


Some people think Nuadjha's a girl, too.
And then other know it ... /runs

[BriarFox]

You sound like the guy from "Wheeler Dealers" that show boggles my mind, it's a show about making money flipping cars, and he always sells it at a huge loss.


And then other know it ... /runs

When I was a little girl, I didn't braid my dolls' hair; I used Fire Spirit on them.

[Ardwen]

The game is not just about hunting for everyone, always been fringes who do all kinds of weird things, and for some that weird thing is merchanting, at the top end of that are people that buy sell and trade in the billions. Lots of different styles to it. From cutthroats that would kill their mothers to collectors. I love the deal, in my time in Gemstone I've owned probably 75 percant of the truly famous items that have changed hands, some more then once, some of them when I got bored with them I moved on to new homes, others I keep for the memories fo lost friends thru the years. Very likely some items I will always keep, is that likely to upset some people probably, have I ever cared, not particularly. Thru the years I've help alot of people get the items of their dreams while I got mine. Sure I've made a fortune doing it, In my prime I was very good at it.

[Stunseed]

< Very likely some items I will always keep, is that likely to upset some people probably, have I ever cared, not particularly. >

Fucking lochaber. :(

[Fallen]

I've made about 20m in the past week just buying and selling things. I like my money lever.

You worked for that shit, though. Combing through the shops looking for items with resale value. Boring as all hell.

[Ardwen]

Hey, I made the damned lochaber, when I got the thing it was a hatchet of all things. It took me more then 3 years to get an alterer willing to create a Lochaber, ever tried explaining the basics of weaponry to women? it was maddening!

[Stunseed]

< It took me more then 3 years to get an alterer willing to create a Lochaber, ever tried explaining the basics of weaponry to women? it was maddening! >

I battle with that almost daily, it seems.

Plus my 16 year old digs weaponry and we'll watch History/Military channel while the WTB stares off into space.

[Ardwen]

I actually spent one late night altering session talking in whispers with one alterer, for likely 3 hours explaining alll about the various parts of weapons, ie why dont axes have hilts and swords hafts. it was a riot. and the alterer stayed for a good 2 hours extra working for others lol

[Sylvan Dreams]

Oh, I'm not bothered by it at all anymore. I'm amused, if anything, because for whatever reason it's a mistake that people seem to make frequently on the officials and here. Even in game, a few times, which really boggles me.

But I still correct it when it happens ;)

I'm pretty sure there's a "Lumi" that isn't you that posts on the officials - Luminastra or something like that. That's who I thought you were.

[Danical]

I'm pretty sure there's a "Lumi" that isn't you that posts on the officials - Luminastra or something like that. That's who I thought you were.

:rofl:

[Drew]

I'm pretty sure there's a "Lumi" that isn't you that posts on the officials - Luminastra or something like that. That's who I thought you were.

Yeah I think this Lumi is SilverPhenix (proper spelling optional).

[BriarFox]

Yeah I think this Lumi is SilverPhenix (proper spelling optional).

I'm pretty sure Lumi is Luminasa is Silverphenix. :-p

[Lumi]

I'm pretty sure Lumi is Luminasa is Silverphenix. :-p

Correct, sir.

[Danical]

Whatever happened to the Teleporting Painting/Portrait?

How does it work now after it got nerfed? (I heard it did, anyway).

Basically, I'm looking for a way into the Sands without having my spells stripped!

[kookiegod]

Whatever happened to the Teleporting Painting/Portrait?

How does it work now after it got nerfed? (I heard it did, anyway).

Basically, I'm looking for a way into the Sands without having my spells stripped!


Its still around, but it won't bypass that barrier, only works on the same limit as a gold ring, pretty much always has.

The only recent nerf (2+ years ago being recently) to it was you couldn't any longer put it in a disk for group travel.

~Paul

[AestheticDeath]

Huh.

And I never said anything about you not deserving a chisel, but I question the fact that you're using AFK scripting as part of your rationale for how the chisel can be used to efficiently generate profits. If you weren't doing any of that AFK scripting, how much less would you have made with it? Pardon me for wanting to play by the rules.

I got it from this quote after you quoted and bolded the AFK scripting comment the first time.

The bolded part is certainly one reason why I have a problem with your approach, and definitely why I don't think the chisels should be relegated to people who approach GS like automatons.
To be more clear. I AFK scripted the purifying portion of the gem process. Chiseling is not purifying. And really doesn't count into the equation of how much you make with the chisel.

Chiseling takes all of three seconds a gem, assuming you heal each time.

You do not have to script it, and if you do script it, you do not have to be AFK. But I had multiple accounts, and I did one monotonous project through scripting, while I hunted on another guy. Make sense?

The chisel doesn't lose value or make less coins because you don't AFK script. It is just a matter of how much you use it.

An empath who doesn't have access to purifying for example would be the perfect person to own a chisel. Not a bard. They can make a 20% increase on gems, more quickly than a bard can make their % increase, whatever it is through purfiying.

[AestheticDeath]

BTW, does anyone know for sure if all the chisels are exactly the same? Or might they be different like the skinning knifes?

And I know at least two chisels changed hands within the last year or so I was in GS. One of them was altered, and selling cheaper than the one I had at the time. Like 75m in a shop or something. Veil iron maybe? Unless that one never sold, but at the least it was up for sale.

[Danical]

So . . . why do you have to heal?

You can't chisel past rank 1 or rank 2 injuries. Will it ever stack to a rank 3?

[Ardwen]

injured too much and you cant chisel

[AestheticDeath]

I believe the first chisel gives rank one wound. You can still chisel. After that it is kinda random when you get the second wound. As I know I chiseled sometimes ten gems before getting the second rank. At second rank I don't think you can use it until healed down again. And I cannot recall if it was just the wound or the scar, but I think it was just the wound, because I recall using herbs instead of a healer at some point. But I could be wrong.

And though it should not stack to three, you can get the super failure, which like cuts your finger off and gives a rank three, which means you have to heal. This failure destroys the gem and that blow up is what gives you the wound. It is a bleeder too if I recall correctly. But I could be totally wrong about all this because I have no memory.

[Lumi]

I got it from this quote after you quoted and bolded the AFK scripting comment the first time.

Having a problem with your violation of scripting policy, and use thereof to validate the efficiency of a gem chisel, is a far cry from saying you don't deserve to have one. I'm assuming you paid for it and didn't steal it, after all.


To be more clear. I AFK scripted the purifying portion of the gem process.

I was completely clear on this.


Chiseling is not purifying. And really doesn't count into the equation of how much you make with the chisel.

Okay, this part really boggles my mind. How can you say that purifying doesn't count into the equation of how much you make with the chisel?

You chisel a 5k gem, you get a % increase based on that 5k value. You sing that gem up to 10k first, then chisel it, you get a % increase based on 10k. In what way does the purification beforehand not enhance the value of chiseling?


You do not have to script it, and if you do script it, you do not have to be AFK. But I had multiple accounts, and I did one monotonous project through scripting, while I hunted on another guy. Make sense?

It's made sense since you first said it. I still don't see what's confusing about my standpoint, either. You're admitting you're AFK scripting, that's what I'm objecting to. If you got caught AFK scripting while using the chisel and they took it away, you think you'd have a leg to stand on to object?

You're using a policy violation to calculate the value of the chisel.


The chisel doesn't lose value or make less coins because you don't AFK script. It is just a matter of how much you use it.

...This makes no sense.


An empath who doesn't have access to purifying for example would be the perfect person to own a chisel. Not a bard. They can make a 20% increase on gems, more quickly than a bard can make their % increase, whatever it is through purfiying.

Again, since chiseling a purified gem provides a greater increase in value than chiseling an impure gem, an empath who DID have access to a purifying bard would be better off with it.

[Danical]

I believe the first chisel gives rank one wound. You can still chisel. After that it is kinda random when you get the second wound. As I know I chiseled sometimes ten gems before getting the second rank. At second rank I don't think you can use it until healed down again. And I cannot recall if it was just the wound or the scar, but I think it was just the wound, because I recall using herbs instead of a healer at some point. But I could be wrong.

And though it should not stack to three, you can get the super failure, which like cuts your finger off and gives a rank three, which means you have to heal. This failure destroys the gem and that blow up is what gives you the wound. It is a bleeder too if I recall correctly. But I could be totally wrong about all this because I have no memory.

I ask because I can just throw on Sigil of Determination and ignore all rank2 wounds.

If it doesn't give you RT, I could effectively blow through an entire bag in as fast a latency provides.

If it gives you a rank 3, well, then I'll have a problem.

[Methais]

Whatever happened to the Teleporting Painting/Portrait?

How does it work now after it got nerfed? (I heard it did, anyway).

Basically, I'm looking for a way into the Sands without having my spells stripped!

Last person I remember that had one was Direstrike, and he's long gone.

Fucker never would sell it to me :(

I think 2 or 3 exist though.

[Lumi]

I ask because I can just throw on Sigil of Determination and ignore all rank2 wounds.

If it doesn't give you RT, I could effectively blow through an entire bag in as fast a latency provides.

If it gives you a rank 3, well, then I'll have a problem.

If only a crit fail gives a rank 3, you could still throw Determination and Tonis up and do it in 1 second per gem. Not bad.

[AestheticDeath]

Sigil of determination instantly heals all rank 2s or what?

[Tolwynn]

You can work through things without the wounds affecting you as they normally would.

[AestheticDeath]

Lumi, you obviously aren't going to see things from my point of view and atm I don't really care to go further into it.

But if you really understood the fact that I was scripting the purifying part, and not the chiseling part, you wouldn't have asked the question about losing the chisel. As the chisel was not there.

And I am pretty sure they wouldn't take away the chisel in a scripting violation anyways. They would lock out the account.

Anyways, talk to me about the chisel once you have owned and used one.

[AestheticDeath]

You can work through things without the wounds affecting you as they normally would.

Has anyone tested this with a Sigil? Debia? Are you in sunfist?

[waywardgs]

Has anyone tested this with a Sigil? Debia? Are you in sunfist?

sigil of determination eliminates the penalties associated with any rank 1 and rank 2 wounds for a certain period of time. It doesn't matter what you're doing, chiseling, archery, whatever. Sigil of determination eliminates the penalties to as if you had no wounds at all.

[Danical]

sigil of determination eliminates the penalties associated with any rank 1 and rank 2 wounds for a certain period of time. It doesn't matter what you're doing, chiseling, archery, whatever. Sigil of determination eliminates the penalties to as if you had no wounds at all.

I tried doing Myklians since you can keep skinning with rank2 wounds and sigil of determination up but it took FOR-FUCKING-EVER for them to spawn reasonably.

Something like 6k+ Purple Scales though. That's neat but only happens once a few hours.

[Danical]

lulz.