a white shaalk claidhmore

[GSMeureii]

Hey hey everyone...it's for sale...PM me for details and info on what I am looking for. I know EG is coming, but I'm liquidating. Talk to everyone about it soon!


I'm also selling a sanguine hued shade skink and one of the 3 pipes left that do random things...rub to fill it with tobacco and wave to light it. Let me know if you want any of those too.

Meureii's Player

[WRoss]

how much you looking for the claid?

[GSMeureii]

I responded to him in a PM...please PM me if you are interested so I can explain details...Thanks

Meureii's player...

[Androidpk]

I thought Khariz bought that from you a few months ago?

[GSMeureii]

Nope...we did a swap so I could play with Sorrow...then we swapped back.

Meureii's player...

[grenthor]

How much for the claid and how much for 1 of the pipes?

[Inspire]

This is one of the most expensive claids that is still marketable in the game. Expect to pay double what you would think a 4x, old metal, old style claid is worth. He'll explain the details if you don't know them.

Details?

[Celephais]

What's the deal w/ shade skinks?

[Monsoon]

Why can't he/you post the details and everything publicly?

[WRoss]

because its more mysterious this way!

[GSMeureii]

Because there is information that doesn't need be be heard by just anyone. If you are interested and seriously thinking about getting it PM me and I will tell you the details.

Thank you.

[Monsoon]

But I could PM you, feign interest, and get the details. Can't imagine why specific information about it should only be given to people who have interest and/or the funds to buy it.

[elcidcannon]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=39916

[Danical]

Probably has something to do with the fact that it's not actually weighted more than a normal claid as evidenced by the new assessing system?

Or, at least, I thought that was the consensus since Warden said only 1 or 2 claids have ever had more weighting than normal.

[waywardgs]

Probably has something to do with the fact that it's not actually weighted more than a normal claid as evidenced by the new assessing system?

Or, at least, I thought that was the consensus since Warden said only 1 or 2 claids have ever had more weighting than normal.

Nope.

[AnticorRifling]

Because there is information that doesn't need be be heard by just anyone. If you are interested and seriously thinking about getting it PM me and I will tell you the details.

Thank you.


Quoting this for the sheer lol factor.

[Monsoon]

Shaalk makes me think of chalk, which makes it both funny because the claidh is white, and ironic because it's a claidh.

[Danical]

PM'd!

[Inspire]

PM'd!

Don't tell him he's just going to tell your secrets!!

[landy]

The link elcidcannon posted explains the whole deal

[Inspire]

The link elcidcannon posted explains the whole deal

Apparently I should have italicized

[Michaelous]

why don't you just post a current assesment of it?

[Danical]

The link elcidcannon posted explains the whole deal

Except the part about it being assessed BEFORE the new assessing changes went live 2/12/09.

[Drew]

Or, at least, I thought that was the consensus since Warden said only 1 or 2 claids have ever had more weighting than normal.



I don't think he ever said 1 or 2. I could probably check my log and find more than 2 claimed. Only one I can think of off-hand is Starsnuffer's.

[Ardwen]

Starsnuffer's? he didnt own any claids, may have sold one but it wasn't his, He helped Ciston sell out, check his old lists for extra weighted ones.

[Drew]

Maybe I'm having a brain fart but I thought Starsnuffer owned one for a while (I know he didn't use it).

[Androidpk]

Why can't he/you post the details and everything publicly?

Probably doesn't want to be ridiculed for his asking price. 100m + i'm guessing.

[GSMeureii]

Skink sold...

And the claid is not selling for more than 100m.

[AnticorRifling]

Skink sold...

And the claid is not selling for more than 100m.
I'll give you 1k, since it's not more than 100m that should seal the deal. Thank you.

[grenthor]

Probably doesn't want to be ridiculed for his asking price. 100m + i'm guessing.

Exactly this just cash only

[GSMeureii]

Correction: Coin and Cash, but cash is preferred.

[GSMeureii]

Claid Sold, Skink Sold, still have the pipe for sale...PM me if you are interested..

[Sam]

log of my ASSIST to get some clarification on this claidhmore.. :(
Edited for clarity and to make me look like less of a jackass.

*** GameMaster Xynwen is here to answer your assist. ***

Xynwen says, "Well, we can't touch anything with the old metal names."
Xynwen says, "If we do, we have to change it to the right metal."

You say, "Right."
You ask, "So you can't even look at this thing at all?"

Xynwen asks, "I can't touch it...what were your questions on it?"

You say, "Well I'd just heard a lot of mixed views on weighting."
You say, "But I saw Warden's post."
You say, "About how ASSESS should work properly for everything now."
You say, "But then some experienced warriors were saying they didn't think that was necessarily so."
You exclaim, "But if you can't touch this thing... there's no way to know anything for sure!"
You say, "It seems like it's only expertly weighted."

Xynwen asks, "So are you trying to find out if that has the same weighting as a regular new claidh?"

You say, "Yeah."
You say, "ASSESS says it's not."
You say, "I guess I really just want validation for paying the ridiculous price that i paid."
You say, "And I wanted to see if the hype was true about you having to change it to vultite."

Xynwen says, "Heh, part of the price is that it's an ICE metal, not to mention a vultite claidh."
Xynwen asks, "How much did you pay?"
Xynwen says, "Out of curiosity that is."

You say, "Upwards of 80m."

Xynwen says, "Out of my price range."

You say, "Mine too."
You say, "But since it's oldstyle."
You say, "And not +40 weighted like a normal claid."
You say, "It's essentially like having a 2x two-handed sword."
You say, "With 30 points of weighting."
You say, "And a fancy metal name."
You shrug.

Xynwen says, "It has 30 ponits of weighting, yes."
Xynwen says, "Points even."

You say, "Normal newstyle claid is 40."

Xynwen nods.

You say, "It was advertised as more weighting than a normal claid."
You sigh.

Xynwen says, "It's flippin' heavy too."

You say, "Yeah tell me about it."
You say, "Makes me want to change it to vultite."
You say, "If that would change the weight."
You say, "It's pretty absurd."

Xynwen says, "Heh, it wouldn't, but it would make it so you could have it lightened at a merchant."

You say, "People were saying old weapons were coded differently, so it may have the standard claid weighting +40, and then an additional +30 that is read by the assess verb."
You say, "But it doesn't seem like it's hitting super hard or anything."
You shrug.

Xynwen says, "Checking things."

You nod to Xynwen.

Xynwen says, "Okay hold it and stay in offensive for a sec."
Xynwen says, "You can change stance if you want now."
Xynwen says, "Don't want you to die on me."
Xynwen says, "All right, with some help, here's what I think..."
Xynwen says, "It appears to have been strengthened back in the day."
Xynwen says, "Which is why its strength is higher than the norm and why it's so danged heavy."
Xynwen says, "Because its str/dur doesn't seem to match even glaes."



You assess the claidhmore for structural weaknesses and strengths.

Careful examination indicates the white shaalk claidhmore has a base strength of 99 and a base durability of 290. You also determine the current integrity of the white shaalk claidhmore to be at 100.0%.

Checking out the claidhmore, it looks like it is less effective than a normal claidhmore, resulting in it being noticeably diminished in its ability to inflict critical wounds. You note that the claidhmore is still expertly weighted compared to normal weapons.

Xynwen says, "So back in the days of breakage, people wanted their shaalk not to break."
Xynwen says, "And it was off the old two-handed sword base, obviously."
Xynwen says, "And for some reason, someone dropped it from the 40 to 30."
Xynwen says, "Now quite possibly someone way back then decided that in order to strengthen it you might need to remove some of the crit."
Xynwen says, "But we're talking almost 20 years ago."

You say, "Yeah."
You say, "So who knows."

Xynwen says, "So your guess is as good as mine there."
Xynwen says, "It doesn't appear to be doing anything over 30 though."
Xynwen asks, "That break your heart and answer your questions?"

You say, "Pretty much."

Xynwen says, "Then my night is complete."

You say, "It was a good little bit of education."

Xynwen grins at you.
Xynwen says, "For me too."

You say, "I was kinda worried you'd see it and snatch it away and make it vultite."

Xynwen says, "Nope, only if I touch it."

[BriarFox]

You're lucky she was narrowly interpreting the rules on changing ICE items.

[Sam]

Hrmm.. I'd feel bad if this post gets her in trouble.. Really I don't even give a shit what it's made of. I wouldn't even be mad if it just had standard claid weighting, but it's actually -10.. good thing i have 7 beers left.

[Stunseed]

Zum'd. :(

[Ardwen]

Ya know, being the original seller of that particular claid, traded at Anfelt to Rhys for an armon conversion ticket, it was originally owned by ingrid the White, one of Wanton's alts. And since assessing was useless, it was traded to and by me as less then normal but utterly unprovable. Not a clue who started the extra weighting story, dont really care, seeing I had no proof I could repeat, til I saw that log.

[Belnia]

Ouch :(

[Celephais]

The thing that gets me is that Khariz threw his name behind this one... in the other thread he pushed the weighting ontop of weighting thing. Is it possible they changed the mechanics of weighting after his testing and screwed this up?

Also, no one answered about shade skinks, what the fuck are they?

[Ardwen]

after reading what Warden said I'd take serious testing before I bought anything thats further weighted heh

[Sam]

The thing that gets me is that Khariz threw his name behind this one... in the other thread he pushed the weighting ontop of weighting thing. Is it possible they changed the mechanics of weighting after his testing and screwed this up?


Or everyone just wants to believe in fairy tales. Myself included apparently.

[phantasm]

I've still yet to see anyone post a new assesement of the thing.

[Drew]

You're lucky she was narrowly interpreting the rules on changing ICE items.

I've never seen a GM take anything from someone in the last 10 years or so and force them to convert. I heard some stories way back right after the conversion that if they saw it they would make you convert it, but recently I've only heard of them converting if they had physical possession of it.

[Sam]

I've still yet to see anyone post a new assesement of the thing.

You assess the claidhmore for structural weaknesses and strengths.

Careful examination indicates the white shaalk claidhmore has a base strength of 99 and a base durability of 290. You also determine the current integrity of the white shaalk claidhmore to be at 100.0%.

Checking out the claidhmore, it looks like it is less effective than a normal claidhmore, resulting in it being noticeably diminished in its ability to inflict critical wounds. You note that the claidhmore is still expertly weighted compared to normal weapons.

[Drew]

Oof that sucks. I have a 60 point weapon but it's unassesable which really stinks.

[Celephais]

That's just brutual... spelled out for you.

Did you assess it before making the purchase? I mean... geez.

[phantasm]

You assess the claidhmore for structural weaknesses and strengths.

Careful examination indicates the white shaalk claidhmore has a base strength of 99 and a base durability of 290. You also determine the current integrity of the white shaalk claidhmore to be at 100.0%.

Checking out the claidhmore, it looks like it is less effective than a normal claidhmore, resulting in it being noticeably diminished in its ability to inflict critical wounds. You note that the claidhmore is still expertly weighted compared to normal weapons.

That pretty clearly describes things, I'd return that lemon to the seller.

[Sam]

Actually i didn't 'cause i didn't have any THW skill at the time. Also, i'm too trusting and had been drinking a bit.

Even after i fixskilled and assessed it I still thought I was ok since Khariz had said such good things about it, and gave an explanation as to why it might assess like that. Not trying to blame him or anything.. just trying to justify my foolishness.

[diethx]

So Meureii (and Khariz or whatever) lied about the weighting? Have you tried to get your money back Sam?

[WRoss]

So since this thread has gone to shit! By my mattock, it has more weighting and has better AVD than a claidhmore. I'd take 90m!

[Drevihyin]

A reputable seller would return your money. However since the information sharing was behind closed doors I assume its turned into a buyer beware sale. Whenever I sold an item I always assured the buyer that they could return it no questions asked within 7 days.

[Morrff]

Why can't he/you post the details and everything publicly?

This is why...

I agree, the seller should offer a choice of a return or a deal to amends the false advertising.(If any was given behind closed channels)

[Archigeek]

As for ice name changing, I had an item that had to be changed when the raise dead spell was changed. It was a completely wonky item, and as often as not, when it was working, you would waive it at someone and they'd just be alive. No stun, no raising messaging, nothing. Surprised some people, that's for sure.

Unfortunately, when the raise dead spell was changed, there was really no choice but to have it looked at, as it completely stopped working. The name was changed when it was made to work again, and it then started working with the standard raise dead spell.

[Danical]

I'm not sure who else got PMs from the OP but I don't think he was intentionally trying to zimzum anyone; I think he honestly believed what he said in his PMs and it's a shame it's not true.

But I'd just like to say . . .


Probably has something to do with the fact that it's not actually weighted more than a normal claid as evidenced by the new assessing system?

[Khariz]

Me and Meureii have had discussions with other GMs (one being Emeradan) that referred to the fact that "this weapon has so much weighting that it is just rediculous". In fact, Meureii was interviewing for a position once with Emeradan, and Emeradan duped the weapon, picked one up for himself and said

Emeradan says, "Dude, that claid is so freaking weighted it's not even funny."

That's from a log. After the ASSESS changes were in place for months.

My weighting tests with it, even taking margin of error into account indicated that the weapon had over 40 points of weighting, not less.

So, one of the following is true:

1. The weapon's weighting changed when the new weighting ASSESSment system came. [The least likely to me].

OR

2. The GM can't see the weighting properly either, because that field on the weapon's description really has rolled over. I don't know how deeply this GM looked into the item, but it has been explained to us in the past why the ASSESS reads that way (and presumably why the weighting field would look to have 30 points).

OR

3. The weapon has reliably provided anomalous results that affected the weighting statistics differently than a standard claidhmore. What I mean, is that I have hundreds of hours of logs from using both that weapon and another old-style claidhmore. I kept my AS at the same level the whole time and fought the same critters the whole time. The statistical variance of the difference of the average crit rank was higher on the white shaalk claid by beyond my margin of error. If there is something else that could have caused that besides the weighting being higher, I might be a moron, haha.

[Khariz]

Oh, and just to prove Meureii's lack of malice in this situation, I will show you the conversation that he and I had about this claidhmore when the new ASSESS system came out:


Thursday, February 12, 2009

Meureii (3:19:19 PM): Careful examination indicates the white shaalk claidhmore has a base strength of 99 and a base durability of 290. You also determine the current integrity of the white shaalk claidhmore to be at 100.0%.

Checking out the claidhmore, it looks like it is less effective than a normal claidhmore, resulting in it being noticeably diminished in its ability to inflict critical wounds. You note that the claidhmore is still incredibly weighted compared to normal weapons.

Roundtime: 24 sec.
Meureii (3:19:29 PM): I don't understand the new assessing
Me (3:19:41 PM): hmm
Me (3:19:43 PM): yeah
Me (3:19:45 PM): well
Me (3:19:51 PM): You know that claid weighted axe I have?
Meureii (3:19:57 PM): Yeah
Me (3:20:11 PM): it says that it's Fantasically weighted for inflict critical wounds
Me (3:20:14 PM): but my mattock
Me (3:20:17 PM): just says incredible
Meureii (3:20:25 PM): They are fucking with shit
Meureii (3:20:28 PM): Did they nerf it?
Me (3:20:30 PM): no
Me (3:20:40 PM): but now I know it's not a full 40 point weighted
Me (3:20:43 PM): its probably like 30
Meureii (3:20:47 PM): Hrm
Me (3:20:49 PM): I think incredible is now 25 to 30
Me (3:20:54 PM): and fantastic is 35
Me (3:21:17 PM): we might have just learned that your claid actually 30 point weighted too. Because all my other claids say
Me (3:21:21 PM): You heft the weapon a few times...but note nothing unusual about it. It appears to have normal claidhmore weighting to cause critical wounds.
Me (3:21:36 PM): so its possible that....
Meureii (3:21:43 PM): So...my claid is 30 points?
Me (3:21:45 PM): all along, we were wrong about what assessing that claid meant
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Me (3:21:51 PM): I'm saying
Me (3:21:59 PM): I think we were wrong, and its only 30 point weighted PERIOD
Meureii (3:22:07 PM): What?
Meureii (3:22:10 PM): That's bullshit
Me (3:22:12 PM): that check vs normal claid weighting is saying its weighted LESS than a normal claid
Meureii (3:22:20 PM): Yeah...
Meureii (3:22:25 PM): But why the fuck would it hit so damn hard?
Meureii (3:22:30 PM): I'm pissed now
Me (3:22:32 PM): cause its an old style claid?
Me (3:22:41 PM): My mattock has the same weighting, it hits that hard too
Meureii (3:23:04 PM): So the AvD is what is causing it to hit so hard?
Me (3:23:20 PM): No, its called anecdotal evidence, hehe
Meureii (3:23:33 PM): son of a
Me (3:23:33 PM): you see how hard it hits compared to the wet noodles that everyone else swings and go OMFG
Me (3:23:34 PM): hehe
Meureii (3:23:46 PM): yeah
Me (3:23:45 PM): I'm still sitting here assessing all my weapons
Me (3:23:48 PM): I just got home
Me (3:23:54 PM): but, I gotta say
Me (3:24:02 PM): when I ran numbers on that claid when I used it
Me (3:24:36 PM): which I didn't do fully until after I sold it to you, as you know, I was a getting a weighting range of 8-60, which with randomization meant to me it HAD to be over 40 point weighting
Me (3:24:41 PM): so, I say....
Me (3:25:04 PM): its still possible that the new weighting assessesment system just doesn't know how to interpret what is coming out of your blade
Me (3:25:06 PM): but I don't know
Meureii (3:25:24 PM): Your vultite one is still old style?
Me (3:25:25 PM): yeah
Me (3:25:34 PM): I'll show you how it assesses
Meureii (3:26:03 PM): I'd like to swing that one around just to compare if you wouldn't mind at some point
Me (3:26:18 PM): You shouldn't notice any difference either way
Me (3:26:33 PM): there's no statiscal difference in rank 5-9 crits that 40 vs 60 weighting would cause
Me (3:26:39 PM): and otherwise they are the same blade
Me (3:26:56 PM): You assess the claidhmore for structural weaknesses and strengths.

Careful examination indicates the vultite claidhmore has a base strength of 99 and a base durability of 200. You also determine the current integrity of the vultite claidhmore to be at 100.0%.

You heft the weapon a few times...but note nothing unusual about it. It appears to have normal claidhmore weighting to cause critical wounds.
Me (3:27:17 PM): or 35 vs 40 for that matter
Meureii (3:27:22 PM): But why would yours have normal?
Meureii (3:27:25 PM): See...
Me (3:27:32 PM): because it doesn't have extra or less weighting?
Meureii (3:27:36 PM): I don't believe the new system is recognizing the weighting
Me (3:27:42 PM): Aye, I think that's possible
Meureii (3:27:45 PM): Why would it say mine is LESS than a normal claid?
Me (3:27:49 PM): because
Me (3:27:55 PM): incredible weighting is less than claid weighting
Meureii (3:28:01 PM): Exactly...
Me (3:28:04 PM): and if it's only seeing the overage, then yeah
Meureii (3:28:19 PM): So they are saying that my claid, which is a claid, doesn't have claid weighting
Meureii (3:28:23 PM): only 30 points
Meureii (3:28:27 PM): If so
Meureii (3:28:36 PM): The damn thing wouldn't hit harded than the xenium one
Meureii (3:28:44 PM): Or any other claid that I've used for that matter
Me (3:28:43 PM): true
Meureii (3:30:25 PM): But that does make sense, and I'm not so mad anymore
Me (3:30:26 PM): you know what I mean
Me (3:30:33 PM): so yeah
Me (3:30:42 PM): it looks like that same exact flaw in the system
Meureii (3:30:46 PM): Fuck anyone that thinks it's 5 less :D
Me (3:30:46 PM): its reading the overage only
Meureii (3:30:53 PM): And i'm not reporting the bug :D
Me (3:31:15 PM): hell no, cause they might fix the bug by fixing the claids instead
Me (3:31:15 PM): hehe
Meureii (3:33:11 PM): Exactly

So as you can see, back in February, we concluded that it still MAY have more weighting than a normal claid, despite the assess, and despite my pessimism.

The Emeradan discussion happened months later, and that discussion "Re-Finalized" the idea that the claid had more than claid-weighting.

Just fully disclosing here.

[kookiegod]

Me and Meureii have had discussions with other GMs (one being Emeradan) that referred to the fact that "this weapon has so much weighting that it is just rediculous". In fact, Meureii was interviewing for a position once with Emeradan, and Emeradan duped the weapon, picked one up for himself and said

That's from a log. After the ASSESS changes were in place for months.

My weighting tests with it, even taking margin of error into account indicated that the weapon had over 40 points of weighting, not less.

So, one of the following is true:

1. The weapon's weighting changed when the new weighting ASSESSment system came. [The least likely to me].

OR

2. The GM can't see the weighting properly either, because that field on the weapon's description really has rolled over. I don't know how deeply this GM looked into the item, but it has been explained to us in the past why the ASSESS reads that way (and presumably why the weighting field would look to have 30 points).

OR

3. The weapon has reliably provided anomalous results that affected the weighting statistics differently than a standard claidhmore. What I mean, is that I have hundreds of hours of logs from using both that weapon and another old-style claidhmore. I kept my AS at the same level the whole time and fought the same critters the whole time. The statistical variance of the difference of the average crit rank was higher on the white shaalk claid by beyond my margin of error. If there is something else that could have caused that besides the weighting being higher, I might be a moron, haha.

1) no

2) not possible, sorry, that just isn't. Part 2 is a myth, once the asssess system was changed, it correctly valued everything right. It really wasn't a rollover so much as the system couldn't accomodate it, and with GS math, well, how it went.

3) crit randomization is a bear to try to pin down, esp. at that level, if you swing a 40 point claid 100x and your median crit is 20, and you swing a 30 point claid 100x and your median is 25, your gonna be led to think this is higher weighted, when in truth, just the dice were on your side. Over 1000 or 10000 hits you might conclude differently, but still, with randomization, cannot ever be sure.

Xynwen pretty well laid it to rest, so it is what it is. Its still a great weapon, but a refund or adjustment in price is in order.

And no, I don't believe anyone thinks was any malice intended.

~Paul

[Khariz]

Just FYI, I offered to buy this from Brute at nearly the same price he paid. I don't care about the weighting. I'll save Meureii's honor this time. I owe him one.

[kookiegod]

Just FYI, I offered to buy this from Brute at nearly the same price he paid. I don't care about the weighting. I'll save Meureii's honor this time. I owe him one.

Kudos bro :)

~Paul

[Androidpk]

Isn't there another claid with extra weighting you could compare it to? The black laen claid? I know that is still around.

[diethx]

Just FYI, I offered to buy this from Brute at nearly the same price he paid. I don't care about the weighting. I'll save Meureii's honor this time. I owe him one.


Kudos bro :)

~Paul

Why does he get kudos for offering less than what Brute paid? I'd say kudos would be in order for offering a full refund, especially since he put his name behind this mess and he ended up being just as wrong as Meureii (which really means to me that he's saving his own honor). Brute doesn't deserve anything less than a full refund.

[peam]

Why does he get kudos for offering less than what Brute paid? I'd say kudos would be in order for offering a full refund, especially since he put his name behind this mess and he ended up being just as wrong as Meureii (which really means to me that he's saving his own honor). Brute doesn't deserve anything less than a full refund.

This.

Give it all back.

[Morrff]

I'd have to agree.

[Khariz]

That's up to Meureii. I wasn't "guaranteeing" it, I was just saying that the weapon was mechnically known to be as Meureii was claiming it was, both by analysis and by GameMaster (prior to this GameMaster's assertion anyway).

[Ardwen]

You know, reading that IM log, it looks alot like the two of you talked yourselves into believing it had extra weighting, regardless of the facts before you. Where if you had researched the ownership of the weapon for 10 minutes you could easily have found out noone ever claimed it to be further weighted.

[Ardwen]

Whom did Meureii acquire the claid from? Iknow it was neither myself or the person I traded it too and I wonder what was said during that sale to give any indication of further weighting

[Durgrimst]

Meureii bought it from Khariz.

[Ardwen]

And where did Khariz get it? Haven't seen anything from Khariz that makes him seem dishonest in the least, in this case the opposite seems true to some extent.

[Seran]

So, some people knowingly or unknowingly talked up the price of an item by being vague with details, possibly lied, and quoted other unscrupulous folks.

Yup, pretty much sounds like most of the transactions that take place over 50m in Gemstone.

[Androidpk]

So, some people knowingly or unknowingly talked up the price of an item by being vague with details, possibly lied, and quoted other unscrupulous folks.

Yup, pretty much sounds like most of the transactions that take place over 50m in Gemstone.

The behind doors information should have been a huge red flag. :shrug:

[Ardwen]

My question as to the first source that indicated it was above normal weighting was asked for a reason. I believe I know whom it was but would like some confirmation before casting aspersions etc

[Drevihyin]

Just FYI, I offered to buy this from Brute at nearly the same price he paid. I don't care about the weighting. I'll save Meureii's honor this time. I owe him one.

Well possibly he will step up and save his own honor. I don't believe the transaction was a planned attempt at fleecing anyone but with the information at hand I would expect to see an attempt to ease the pain somewhat. We know of other sellers who probably would get a chuckle at screwing someone else over.

[Androidpk]

My question as to the first source that indicated it was above normal weighting was asked for a reason. I believe I know whom it was but would like some confirmation before casting aspersions etc


I know with the black laen claid it was Tsin who was saying it had extra weighting...

[Ardwen]

Back before the dawn of time, I only ever recall seeing 2 further weighted claids, one of which vanish when the owner passed away, doesnt leave many out there if you think about it. I'd imagine Paul likely has a similar recollection. Unsure which other long term players followed which items, though others may remember as well.

[Belnia]

The extra weighted one Michaelous had (the blue shaalk-turned-vultite) left when he got himself banned. That one was believed to have an extra 10 points of weighting over normal for claidhmores as I recall.

[Khariz]

I know with the black laen claid it was Tsin who was saying it had extra weighting...

That one DOES have extra weighting. I sold it to Lanlan:


You accept Lanlan's offer and are now holding a black laen claidhmore.
>assess claid
You assess the claidhmore for structural weaknesses and strengths.

Careful examination indicates the laen claidhmore has a base strength of 77 and a base durability of 220. You also determine the current integrity of the laen claidhmore to be at 100.0%.

Checking out the claidhmore, it looks like it is heavily weighted to inflict more critical blows than a normal claidhmore. You estimate that the claidhmore is wondrously weighted compared to normal weapons.

Roundtime: 20 sec.

[Khariz]

My question as to the first source that indicated it was above normal weighting was asked for a reason. I believe I know whom it was but would like some confirmation before casting aspersions etc

You suspect right. It was Tsin who sold it to me. The only reason I believed him though is because my tests seemed to confirm it.

Also, I'd like to note one other thing. I sold it to Meureii at a price that was NOT inflated to compensate for extra weighting. It was "Khariz Inflated" to a old style claid with an ICE age name (approx 65 mil, which was about 15 mil more than any other 4x claidhmore was fetching at the time). If I would have thought it was 20 points extra weighted "for sure" when I sold it to Meureii, it would have cost him double that.

I'm offering the equivalent of 75-80 million to Brute for it, depending on how you value silvers. I think my offer is fair for something that isn't really my fault, assuming Meureii doesn't want to refund him. [My offer is open to you as well, Meureii, if you do refund him].

And yes, Ardwen, we definitely talked ourselves into to. But at the time it was merely for Meureii's own "dick waving purposes" and in no way was ever supposed to hit the market again. It never WOULD have hit the market if I was still playing GS, as I would have bought it the second he asked me about it. Instead, I turned him down, merely because I'm not playing at the moment.

Edit: Oh, and if anyone wants to buy Sorrow so that I can actually afford this, be my guest.

[WRoss]

I don't want sorrow, but I'm interested in some of your other weapons, AIM me and we can chat.

[kookiegod]

Back before the dawn of time, I only ever recall seeing 2 further weighted claids, one of which vanish when the owner passed away, doesnt leave many out there if you think about it. I'd imagine Paul likely has a similar recollection. Unsure which other long term players followed which items, though others may remember as well.

There were actually a few sold off in Hortinger's wagon off the shelf with extra weighting, 5 points (and they were old style -2x, but AvD bonus), but that was 14+ years ago and was no way to verify it back then, wasn't even assess back then.

The one's we did know, Dame Wanton's (gone, RIP dear <sigh>), Michaeleous's (gone), the Warchief's (since proven to have only standard claid weighting), this one (lesser than standard), leaves a net of likely zero further weighted claidhs in the game at this point.

So yah Dennis, spot on here. Just isn't any. Some great toys out there for sure, but I really doubt is anything over 40 points anywhere.

Best weapon in the game is in plat believe it or not...

Between prem points, enchant certificates and a lot of hard work, Jay owns a 10x claidh.

~Paul

[phantasm]

This raises some questions, namely, what type of hardwork can yield you a 10x claid.

[Ardwen]

low population, events that yield enchants and alot of premium points

[kookiegod]

This raises some questions, namely, what type of hardwork can yield you a 10x claid.

Merchants, merchants, and more merchants. Buying and trading for prem points, enchant certificates, etc.

CCF for example, I only read the plat boards, but Jay made deals to make sure he won the major enchant slots.

He could probably explain the whole thing since he posts here.

Still, an epic weapon.

~Paul

[Belnia]

+50 sanctified to boot.

[Ardwen]

Same thing I did to get a workshop deed for a paltry 50 million at that auction heh
wheel and deal is the name of the game

[Androidpk]

I don't even want to know how much a 10x claid would be valued at in prime.

[Ardwen]

problem at that point is the value starts increasing by less then the cost to create the item, same as any other item

[Drew]

So yah Dennis, spot on here. Just isn't any. Some great toys out there for sure, but I really doubt is anything over 40 points anywhere.


Do you mean other than that black laen one just posted or do you not believe that one has extra weighting?

[kookiegod]

Do you mean other than that black laen one just posted or do you not believe that one has extra weighting?

I've never seen it Drew, so if someone who owns it would like to post the assessment of it, be awesome. Especially an independent one, Khariz, Ardwen, Drizz, etc...

Its definitely possible/probable for sure, is lots of stuff out there buried in lockers that never sees the light of day for one reason or another.

~Paul

[Drew]

I've never seen it Drew, so if someone who owns it would like to post the assessment of it, be awesome. Especially an independent one, Khariz, Ardwen, Drizz, etc...

Its definitely possible/probable for sure, is lots of stuff out there buried in lockers that never sees the light of day for one reason or another.

~Paul

Hahahah scroll up: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=1004665&postcount=77

[kookiegod]

problem at that point is the value starts increasing by less then the cost to create the item, same as any other item

Yep, Tsin had the same basic issue with the 10x mattock he spent a bazillion creating. If its your end game never need another weapon ever, then it has value to you.

Selling it for what you put into it, is nearly impossible.

Heck, I got the same problem with the plate I got, I upgraded it a ton, and i'm selling it for exactly what I got into it, but I got my breastplate done at CCF i'd rather use, and don't have another character who is going to use plate class armor anytime soon.

~Paul

[kookiegod]

Hahahah scroll up: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=1004665&postcount=77

Mea culpa, I missed it, I bow to the superior intellect. :)

~Paul

[Sam]

Meureii where are you? Gimme my money!! Anyone live near San Leandro? I would call his business phone, but then I'd have to explain all this to the wife and she'd probably make fun of me.

http://www.calswap.com/-1-Services-Skilled-Trade-B-W-Garage-Doors-Garage-Doors-Done-Right--6-78-38815

http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&q=B+%26+W+Garage+Doors,+san+leandro,+ca&fb=1&gl=us&hq=B+%26+W+Garage+Doors,&hnear=san+leandro,+ca&cid=13778129855103513072&li=lmd&ll=37.719914,-122.169042&spn=0,359.966977&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.719837,-122.168981&panoid=KPn7UdJIQoK815PBA74vRg&cbp=12,40.64,,0,11.28

[Sam]

The sale is done, you recieved your item for the money asked. I can not return any funds, half or otherwise, and you will keep the sword.

-----Original Message-----
From: sam@theinternet
To: BWDoorsInc@aol.com
Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:02 am
Subject: You screwed me. (Shaalk Claid)

I'd like my money back.. or at least half of it, and I'll keep the sword.

It's not nearly the hardest hitting sword in the game.

Please reference my post in your original sale thread..

-Sam

edit: this is a response i just received.. apparently Meureii is an asshole.

[Solkern]

Funny thing is, according to Khariz, a GM confirmed this was more weighted then a normal claidh.....so was the GM lying? or was that conversation fake?

[Ardwen]

Or was it one of the many people that seem to become GMs in IM or here when they certainly arent and never have been a GM

[diethx]

I'm offering the equivalent of 75-80 million to Brute for it, depending on how you value silvers. I think my offer is fair for something that isn't really my fault, assuming Meureii doesn't want to refund him. [My offer is open to you as well, Meureii, if you do refund him].

Bullshit. You injected yourself into this thread without anyone asking your opinion on the weapon. You came in yourself to boast about how awesome this weapon is, and unfortunately Brute trusted your word enough to trust Meureii. How much will your statements be worth now? About as much as Tsin's... whose word you went on in the first place? Heh.

The only right thing to do is to either convince your buddy Meureii to fully refund Brute, or to do it yourself since you had to involve yourself.

[Androidpk]

While I do think Meureii should give you a refund, there is no excuse as to why you did not check out the weapon yourself beforehand. You know that money has already been spent on hookers and blow.

[Morrff]

While I do think Meureii should give you a refund, there is no excuse as to why you did not check out the weapon yourself beforehand. You know that money has already been spent on hookers and blow.

Considering how shady the sale was setup to begin with(Info by PM only). Not like this item was at any risk for being nerfed by some GM coming in and reading a post here. Id say Meureii probably wouldn't have allowed an assessment of it prior to purchase(just a guess) Or at least before the coins/cash traded hands. I doubt he would have refunded it at that point either.

This person knew exactly what he was doing. He was selling up on some hype and he most certainly had it assessed himself and saw that the claid wasn't what he thought it was. So the person decided to pawn it off before it was known wide spread. You are shady Meureii and have just entered the Zimzone!

Khairz you pretty much set this sale up for what it's outcome was. Should have just stayed away, but now I'd say you're into it for saving your name at this point.

Eiher way Brute you should have had an assesser waiting by you to test it out. Or finished getting your training upto par for assessing it, only really need 20 ranks or so. With a purchase this big, if I don't know the seller personally, to me even if someone I know is vouching for them I'd still have the sellers item checked.

Hope you get something back from being Meureii'd(Tsin'd?). Obviously not from the conman, but perhaps Khariz will live upto his words.

Cylas

[Muktare]

Ok Khariz. I have a more simple solution for you. I see you want to help since you talked it up. Good deal. I'll show you the easy way to do this. You said you were offering about 80M to buy it back. You then said you sold it for 65M before. This means if you did the exact same thing again (bought it for more and sold it the same) you would lose 15M. So, if you are serious, let's just forgo all the transactions and you give Brute the net loss you were expecting (15M)

Give him 15M silvers clear and free and wipe your hands. This is the same as the way you were going to do it before except much easier for everyone. It shows you were serious about what you said and saves your honor (not meuriis) as well as gives brute some satisfaction.

The other route is not giving 15M which shows you weren't serious and in that case, I would expect you would eat more than 15M in losses with the equipment you have on you that no one would want to deal with you on.

[Michaelous]

and to think i wanted that claidh so bad, i wouldve gave my left nut for it. not to mention 100 mil + some

[Lord Orbstar]

Meureii is obviously an honorless piece of shit in real life with the same mores as Tsin and ZimZum (whose cock people still suck on Psinet when he logs on. disgusting).

Rather than feel chagrined and take the loss himself, Meureii feels happy he was able to offload the craptastic blade. He is the kind of toilet bowl leaving that would keep the cash if he found a wallet on the ground and toss the rest in the trash.

Sorry Brute had to do business with such trash. Khariz doesnt OWE anyone anything; he spoke up on a subject he thought he knew about. His offer is noble and should be taken in that spirit. Meureii is the only villain: Welcome back, Tsin!

People that screw others over and have a traitorous heart get theirs in the end. Burn.

[Muktare]

Yeah, I was going to put a bid on it. He got it out of his hands ASAP. I asked for info and he said "i'll send you logs." Then next thing I know it was sold. I thought it was odd he would sell something so nice on the first bite. If I had that weapon and it really was like 40+30 or 40+40 there is no way I would sell after the first bite. I would take bids on it for weeks probably. No way I would let the most l33t wepaon in the game go "Johnny on the spot." Luckily it did not hpapen that way because I would have lost the 100+M for the fake weapon as well at the 8M for the fix skills to actually use the SOB. I mean really who doesn't want to just pick up a weapon and pwn everything. I mean i am a Paladin. I can just 102 and 106 with a two hander and just say LOL ROFLCOPTER with Mstrike with that much weighting. Who needs a 300 endroll when you got a weapon that could strike satan down with a 101.

[peam]

What an asshole.

He last logged in last night at 10:30 with nothing to say.

[Stretch]

If you hang on to it for a year or two, you can just sell it back to Khariz for 100 mill, since the intrinsic value of an item doesn't go down with inflation.

[WRoss]

My two cents, for what it matters:

Meureii is obviously a little shady. No denying that. What he did was a dickwad move. Was it a dumb move not to get it assessed and check it out, sure. It should have happened, but it didn't so let it rest. Did Khariz vouch for the item; yes. Now that the item isn't what it was said to be, Khariz has offered to try and make good on the item. I think that is very man of him and I respect him a lot for it. I don't think very many people would willing offer to cough up 80m for something they vouched for.

Brute, I hope you can find someway to get this situation taken care of.

Khariz, I hope you ignore all these people bashing you. I don't think you knowingly misrepresented this item. Also, what you are doing is admirable, as long as you follow through.

[BriarFox]

Khariz, I hope you ignore all these people bashing you. I don't think you knowingly misrepresented this item. Also, what you are doing is admirable, as long as you follow through.

^

People always throw their opinions in on items and no one holds them accountable for them. The burden of representation is the seller, and the burden of checking on the buyer. Khariz is going above and beyond, and those who are bashing on him don't seem to realize that he doesn't have unlimited pockets.

[WRoss]

Yup, when forged weapons first came out, I got a 5x perfect flail with HCW. Ended up getting nerfed and I re-imbursed the seller the full 30m. At the time it was all the silvers I had. Definitely sucked, but its the right thing to do.

[Jace Solo]

I think Koops has a 10x Eonake Claid

[Drew]

To everyone who is asking why he didn't have it assessed remember that Khariz claimed that the assess would "roll over" and just show the extra weighting because that's how it worked with uber-weighted claidhmores.

[Khariz]

I think I now understand how George W. Bush felt with the WMD debaucle.

Diethx and Morrff in particular, you have to understand that from my standpoint, there was really no doubt about the statistics of the item.

Like I said, I had hundreds of hours of parsed logs seeming to statistically confirm the weighting as higher than a normal claidhmore, despite the assess. I suppose Paul could be correct, and that this could be caused by pure luck, but it seems (or seemed) unlikely given that the sample size was hundreds of thousands of swings.

I also had statements by GMs refering to the weighting of the weapon. Not SPECIFICALLY telling me the weighting, but none the less indicating that the weapon had ridiculous amounts of weighting. I'm not talking about people I THOUGHT were GMs. Emeradan literally duped the weapon, picked one up for himself, and commented on the weighting. Was he lying? Was he referring to the ridiculous WEIGHT of the item, and mistyped? I don't know, and I doubt I ever will know.

But from my standpoint, the preponderance of the evidence was in favor of the item having MORE weighting than a claidhmore and not less.

Just like GWB, I lacked the ACTUAL evidence of having the literal knowledge that the weighting existed, but all of the intelligence pointed to the fact that it did, except the visual depictions of the landscape.

I apologize fully for any pain and monetary loss that my representations have made, and am working with Brute in PMs right now to solve this matter as swiftly as possible.

[Stabbyrogue]

If it's Paypal he can dispute the sale. I don't think they back the seller with virtual items. Of course I could be wrong.

[Sam]

Khariz, I hope you ignore all these people bashing you. I don't think you knowingly misrepresented this item. Also, what you are doing is admirable, as long as you follow through.

^this

Everyone should just be pissed at Meureii.. Khariz is going above and beyond what 99% of us would do in this situation. I just hope Meureii comes back to the game soon and tries to do some business.

[Stabbyrogue]

Yeah, Khariz is a good guy. I also believe that Meureii was probably hanging on to some hope that it really did have weighting added. Where it gets fucked up is his little paypal message, then lack of contact.

[Androidpk]

If you hang on to it for a year or two, you can just sell it back to Khariz for 100 mill, since the intrinsic value of an item doesn't go down with inflation.


:lol:

[Androidpk]

^

People always throw their opinions in on items and no one holds them accountable for them. The burden of representation is the seller, and the burden of checking on the buyer. Khariz is going above and beyond, and those who are bashing on him don't seem to realize that he doesn't have unlimited pockets.

Agreed.

[Lord Paco]

Have a GM settle the dispute.

This reminds me of the time way back in the day when I almost pulled off the ultimate theft in Gemstone 3.

Remember those huge stone mattocks that would cast ewave when you tapped them on the ground and would turn critters to stone when they flared sometimes?

Well...I grabbed a regular huge stone mattock (one without the extra qualities) and went hunting with the guy who owned the one with the extra abilities. Then.....I convinced the guy to let me hold his mattock, quickly ran into the next room, switched mine for his, went back into the room, made more conversation, then gave my mattock to him and pretended as if it was the one he let me hold.

He left, I went my way, and I logged out. Thought I had committed the perfect crime. Next thing I know when I logged back in days later, A GM was waiting to talk to me about the item, and I was forced to give it back.

If a GM could do that back in the day for that guy and save his ass, why couldn't they save yours today Brute?

[Androidpk]

You really are an idiot.

[kookiegod]

Have a GM settle the dispute.

This reminds me of the time way back in the day when I almost pulled off the ultimate theft in Gemstone 3.

Remember those huge stone mattocks that would cast ewave when you tapped them on the ground and would turn critters to stone when they flared sometimes?

Well...I grabbed a regular huge stone mattock (one without the extra qualities) and went hunting with the guy who owned the one with the extra abilities. Then.....I convinced the guy to let me hold his mattock, quickly ran into the next room, switched mine for his, went back into the room, made more conversation, then gave my mattock to him and pretended as if it was the one he let me hold.

He left, I went my way, and I logged out. Thought I had committed the perfect crime. Next thing I know when I logged back in days later, A GM was waiting to talk to me about the item, and I was forced to give it back.

If a GM could do that back in the day for that guy and save his ass, why couldn't they save yours today Brute?

One is mechanics abuse...

One is normal commerce which the GMs don't get involved in. Its buyer beware and has been for at least a dozen years.

~paul

[Asha]

Is it mechanics abuse?

[Nuc]

I think Koops has a 10x Eonake Claid

I think his claid is 5x last I checked.

[BriarFox]

Is it mechanics abuse?

Using a similarly named item relies on mechanics, so that's probably the justification. GMs will (or at least have) done the same thing with forest green brigandine, for instance - it's why forest green dye was removed from the dyer's tent.

[phantasm]

Dispute the paypal transaction, I'm pretty sure he didn't ship to a verified address.

Judging by his extremely small house, Mureii also has a small penis and bank account balance.

[Morrff]

I think I now understand how George W. Bush felt with the WMD debaucle.

Diethx and Morrff in particular, you have to understand that from my standpoint, there was really no doubt about the statistics of the item.

Oh lets make sure there's no confusion here. I do not believe that Khariz/You were in any way attempting to mislead the sale. I do believe that you thought the weapon was what you mentioned it was. Just sucks that you backed the weapon having turned out not to be what you thought it was. I believe that Mesureii had either done further testing or found out otherwise that the weapon wasn't what it was claimed to be. He probably came to you and stated such. You probably thought he was wrong and began to reasure him of your testing. Either that or he found out and didn't bother mentioning it. Those are of course just my opinion or guess to as what happened.


(Badly written)Story of Sum:
Brute entered the ZimZone with Khariz holding the door. Mesureii held the ZimZone padlock to the door in his hand eagerly awaiting his victim on the other side. With glee Mesureii slams the door shut pinching Khariz's finger tips along the hinge side of the door and trapping Brute inside. Khariz begins to bash at the door hoping to free the lost Brute. Finally Khariz breaks through into the ZimZone and begins to drag the dazed and confused Brute back out into safety. To Khariz's dismay Brute had been completely robbed of his money. Khariz takes Brutes hand walking him to his locker, then the bank. /story

:wasntme:

EDIT: Yeah hopefully Brute you can dispute this Paypal transaction. I would and make sure you comment on Mesureii's Paypal transaction if it were me.






























You are now leaving the ZimZone!

[Khariz]

Sounds good to me.

The transaction is complete. Brute has his money, and I have the blade.

[Celephais]

Way to step up man... nice, even if it wasn't the full amount, I don't think that's your responsibility.

[WRoss]

Kudos to Khariz

[Khariz]

Way to step up man... nice, even if it wasn't the full amount, I don't think that's your responsibility.

It was pretty darn close. I think he said he paid 80 mil. I gave him 50 mil and 200 bucks.

[Alorn15]

Adding kudos to Khariz in an epic thread.

[Drevihyin]

Yeah Khariz stepped up big time.

[WRoss]

a white shaalk claidhmore 10-04-2009 11:11 AM Stop sucking off Khariz to get better prices, you're a shitty scamming wannabe-Tsin merchant too

Gotta love the neg rep

[diethx]

It was pretty darn close. I think he said he paid 80 mil. I gave him 50 mil and 200 bucks.

Okay that's not so bad, when you said "close" to what he paid, I assumed you were gonna offer him like 50 mil or something like that which isn't really close.

I'm glad Brute got his money back and you stepped up. I also can't wait until Meureii gets nostalgic and wants to come back and regrets acting like a Tsinning little twatwaffle.

[Androidpk]

I also can't wait until Meureii gets nostalgic and wants to come back and regrets acting like a Tsinning little twatwaffle.

You have such a way with words :)

[Khariz]

Okay that's not so bad, when you said "close" to what he paid, I assumed you were gonna offer him like 50 mil or something like that which isn't really close.

I'm glad Brute got his money back and you stepped up. I also can't wait until Meureii gets nostalgic and wants to come back and regrets acting like a Tsinning little twatwaffle.

I can't blame you for the assumption either, hehe. That does sound like something I would do in most circumstances. This one just seemed exceptional to me.

[Drew]

GJ Khariz, you did right by him, and I salute you for it.

[Muktare]

Good guy you are!

Side Note-
Man, people have been smashing on my rep ever since I got here. Just noticed how terrible it has me. Some people are just cocks here. Everything I have ever bought has went super smooth and no complaints. I've never even sold anything for cash yet. Mostly just bought a bunch of stuff for my chars.

[Ardwen]

Ignore rep its a joke.

[Swami71]

Good guy you are!

Side Note-
Man, people have been smashing on my rep ever since I got here. Just noticed how terrible it has me. Some people are just cocks here. Everything I have ever bought has went super smooth and no complaints. I've never even sold anything for cash yet. Mostly just bought a bunch of stuff for my chars.

Go find the rep whore thread. And yes I've sold to you and it went just fine (big spender too) ;)

[Muktare]

Good deal. Looks like it went back to green! lol.

[Danical]

Brilliant. Cheers Khariz.

[g++]

Cant you get your money back from the guy that actually ripped you off? How is Khariz losing alot of stuff a happy ending? Anyway nice Khariz but I think getting your money back from the guy that scammed you would have been a better resolution. This happened like 3 days ago theres all kinds of credit card charge back nastiness you could pull.

Im assuming you paid in cash since thats what he was asking for. - edit

[Durgrimst]

I think the situation is that Khariz has an attachment to the weapon, and that he is/was pretty good friends with the guy that pulled this dirty deed.

[Khariz]

I think the situation is that Khariz has an attachment to the weapon, and that he is/was pretty good friends with the guy that pulled this dirty deed.

Yeah, pretty much.

[Sam]

OK. Here's the deal with recouping the actual money paid to Meureii. Being the nice sucker that I am, I chose to send it as "living expenses" so he wouldn't get charged a fee. (He didn't suggest this, i just did it because I'm an asshole). So I can't really contest it.. Shit's already pulled from my bank account too.

All I can do is grief B & W Garage Doors in San Leandro, CA.. (510) 786-8508
bwdoorsinc@aol.com



-Sam

[g++]

LOL well you really did leave yourself defenseless than. I have a credit card just for internet purchases because they will usually assist you far more than paypal. Its not 100% but if you do that and leave the reason blank on paypal it gives you a shot. Another nice thing is if you win a dispute or charge back a paypal for more than $200 paypal will pretty much ruin their lives if they dont put the money back in so even if they pull the money out you get that satisfaction.

[Beldonn]

dude, im like less than 2 hours away from San Leandro. It might be worth it for me to get a couple day vacation and go break some windows or elbows. Juvenile, but ah, so satisfying when someone dicks over an honest person. :club:

[Beldonn]

No offense Khariz *grins* I just am going by there in the next week on business heh. :)

[Sam]

Well I guess I've gotten a lesson out of this then.. Need to make my credit card my primary on the paypal account, and stop being so nice.

Though I can't imagine explaining the details of the transaction/dispute to someone from the CC company..

[Androidpk]

Just tell them you were buying a magical sword.

[Sam]

Not quite as magical as advertised. Or very heavy, but not as weighted as expected.

[Beldonn]

How do you reclaim that which has no life?

[Jahira]

"Hello this is the credit card company"
"Yeah this douchebag dicked me out of some words on the internet. He totally lied about how the words worked. I want my money back"
"Have a nice day"
::click::

[g++]

"Hello this is the credit card company"
"Yeah this douchebag dicked me out money. I want my money back"
"Ok, its pulled back"
::click::

Fixed that for ya

[phantasm]

Indeed, I've never had any problems getting visa to reverse fraudulent charges related to getting ripped off purchasing virtual wares.

[Xaerve]

Can someone answer one question so I don't have to read through everything? Did that little twat-rag GSMeureii at least admit he was wrong, etc? I've always fucking hated that guy.

[Androidpk]

Can someone answer one question so I don't have to read through everything? Did that little twat-rag GSMeureii at least admit he was wrong, etc? I've always fucking hated that guy.


No, he said the sale was final and he wasn't going to do any type of refund, partial or full.

[Belnia]

Too bad it can't be altered into a shady shaalk claidhmore.

[Xaerve]

No, he said the sale was final and he wasn't going to do any type of refund, partial or full.

Damn, that is shitty. Thanks for the TLDR version :)

Sounds like Khariz stepped up. He's good people.

[Androidpk]

Too bad it can't be altered into a shady shaalk claidhmore.


Where is that avatar from? Looks vaguely familiar.

[Belnia]

Cover of one of the second edition Exalted books. I think the Blessed Isle paperback.

[Danical]

Last Activity: 12-05-2009 09:20 AM

Just saying.

[Praefection]

Since I haven't seen anyone else mention it, he's back in game too.

[Khariz]

I still own this thing, having fixed this problem.

[WRoss]

free bump

[Drew]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=53815

[Khariz]

Funniest thing is... hes about to buy this shaalk claid back from the guy that I sold it to, after I bought it because of this issue.

Good times.

[WRoss]

How much? I'll buy it just so he can't buy it.

[Sam]

Yeah... had a nice discussion with this doucher on LNet about how this sale was totally legit. Guess he felt no remorse whatsoever since he was just selling it as it was advertised to him when he bought it.

[Xeromist]

Damn dude. That was messed up.

[Michaelous]

so for the record what are the verified stats on this thing?

[thefarmer]

so for the record what are the verified stats on this thing?

It's a Michealous worthy weapon

[Sam]

it's like 30 pounds, 4x, and 30 points of crit weighting.

edit: and oldstyle

[Michaelous]

so it has lower then normal claid weighting?

[Archigeek]

Buy my imflass one!

[WRoss]

Buy my imflass one!

I am! Going twice?

[Archigeek]

Yep, going twice.

[Fallen]

Bumping this thread for its relevance to the Bad Roleplaying Discussion. Thanks for the link, Drew. Good on you, Khariz, for backing the deal.

[GSJuergen]

So Just to get the story straight, Khariz sold the claid to that Met guy.. who in turn sold it to brute for 100m? Met guy leaves, Khariz get's stuck having to refund the guy for the orginal item/weighting?

[BriarFox]

So Just to get the story straight, Khariz sold the claid to that Met guy.. who in turn sold it to brute for 100m? Met guy leaves, Khariz get's stuck having to refund the guy for the orginal item/weighting?

More like Khariz stepped up when he didn't need to. It wasn't really his beef at that point, but he didn't want it reflecting badly on him. It was a pretty upstanding gesture.

[GSJuergen]

Well, it was more getting the story straight in as little words as possible. I commend him for stepping up.

[Brosif]

I know some on this board have had their problems with Khaz but I think he's a great guy. He's definitely gone out of his way for me many times in the past as well.

[Asha]

Great. You have made people on a message board respect you a bit.

[Durgrimst]

I can honestly say this weapon will never be sold again.

[Androidpk]

Why? Who has it now?

[Methais]

I hate whoever bumped this thread. I PMed the guy trying to buy the pipe, then noticed the thread was a year old. To show my disapproval, I'm going to open fire in a populated public place in 3 minutes.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/corvin25/luke_NOOOOOO.jpg

[Sam]

I know some on this board have had their problems with Khaz but I think he's a great guy. He's definitely gone out of his way for me many times in the past as well.

Khariz is cool. Meureii is the cockholster. I hate this thread.

[Fallen]

I hate whoever bumped this thread. I PMed the guy trying to buy the pipe, then noticed the thread was a year old. To show my disapproval, I'm going to open fire in a populated public place in 3 minutes.

That was me. My bad. I would suggest exacting your revenge in the form of Quran burnings attributed to my name.

[Methais]

http://www.e-nanigans.com/pics/RogerThat.jpg

[Fallen]

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2552/iamhavingagoodtimetshir.jpg

[GSJuergen]

I can honestly say this weapon will never be sold again.

I might sell mine one day.. It's blue iroake with the same problem

[Ardwen]

A moron tried ta sell that one too?

[GSJuergen]

A moron tried ta sell that one too?

Not nice to talk about Thundermin like that... he sold me when we were under the old system..... PS go 'noles.

[GSJuergen]

Not nice to talk about Thundermin like that... he sold me when we were under the old system..... PS go 'noles.

and just to clarify - not flaming thudermin or Ardwen. It was a very sarcastic post.

[Danical]

Not nice to talk about Thundermin like that... he sold me when we were under the old system..... PS go 'noles.

Just so we're clear, when you say "old system," you mean it would still register as incredible when ASSESSed?

[WRoss]

This was all after I called his merchanting record flawless, IG.


(OOC) Meureii's player whispers, "If you have something to say or ask that is OOC, leave it OOC please."

(OOC) You quietly whisper to Meureii, "When you sell something in a game, its an IG event."

(OOC) You quietly whisper to Meureii, "One that took place with a good friend of mine IG, deal with it."

Suddenly, lines of fiery gold radiance manifest nearby, spelling out "Action. Consequence. Results." The lettering hangs briefly in midair before fading away.

Not sure if that was a GM or just some random messaging, but it was perfectly timed.

[Methais]

It would have been epic if instead it said YA DUN GOOFED!!!!1

[GSJuergen]

Just so we're clear, when you say "old system," you mean it would still register as incredible when ASSESSed?

Yes - and to commend him since he saught me out after these changes happened to see the status of the claid. I confirmed it was the case and told him to not worry about it.

[IorakeWarhammer]

selling a 10x shaalk claidhmore with max weighting if anyone's interested

[WRoss]

This is gonna be a long one, but Meureii trying to explain his side of the story. I editted out everyone but Myself, Brute, and Meureii. The part in bold is really interesting.



[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Don't get started on that bullshit....I put all the info out that I had and you got your money back. Funny thing is Durg now owns the claidhmore..."
[LNet]-You: "Meureii, you are such a piece of shit"
[LNet]-You: "The one that sold Brute the claidhmore as having extra weighting, but instead it had 30 pts"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "I sold Brute a shaalk claid that I was told by Emeradan that it had Extra weighting.."
[LNet]-You: "then he basically said, sorry, you bought it as is, i'm not refunding you rmoney"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Khariz, who sold it to me and did extensive testing on it, also confirmed this"
[LNet]-You: "Meureii, there is no way emeredan would look a shaalk claidhmore and not turn it into vultite"
[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "oh, nevermind"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Rogane, he would if I was part of their team at the time."
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "And live like 10 minutes from the dude and eat at the restaurant he works at all the fucking time"
[LNet]-GSF:Leland: "Meureii was a GH"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Either way...I put all the info I had out...quit the game because Hosting was bullshit and ruined it for me"
[LNet]-You: "you just happen to quit the same time you rip someone off"
[LNet]-You: "I'm sure"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Brute bought it...didn't want it after I canceled my accounts and wanted his money back. I said no, Khariz bought it back from him and sold it to Durg"
[LNet]-You: "no matter what, if I sold an item to someone and it turned out to be wrong, I would refund their money"
[LNet]-You: "Meureii, admit it, the item wasn't what you advertised and you wouldn't give the money back"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "I was selling BECAUSE I was quitting you fucking idiot"
[LNet]-You: "it's not what you thought it was, it's about what it was"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "To this day I believe it is what I said...GM's confirmed it to me...the history of it confirms it...Meta was the original owner...confirmed."
[LNet]-You: "So you are calling Xynwen a liar when she confirmed it had 30pts of weighting?"
[LNet]-You: "Because she does outrank Emeredan"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Yes I am.."
[LNet]-You: "So what about the pcalc logs I have of that claidhmore?"
[LNet]-GSIV:Sam: "It was obvious that it didn't hit as hard as a claid"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "When it was confirmed to be by Em, who was a friend at the time, that the weapon BROKE the new assessing system when it came out."
[LNet]-You: "gonna call math a liar?"
[LNet]-GSIV:Sam: "if you wanted to believe it enough, of course you'd think it was critting awesomely"
[LNet]-GSIV:Sam: "and 30 points IS a lot of crit weighting"
[LNet]-You: "The logs of you using it that warcamp show it only critting up to 28, I believe"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "It came from a time when 1 point of weighting added 1lb to the weapon...the claid weighs 30+ fucking pounds"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Hundreds of hours were spent on testing it...GM's confirmed it...."
[LNet]-You: "Logs?"
[LNet]-You: "Ohh, you don't have any"
[LNet]-GSIV:Sam: "and it only took me about 10 minutes with a GM to ascertain that it was bullshit"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Before the assess change only claidhmores with EXTRA weighting would assess and show the ammount. This did such a thing."
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "That GM had no fucking clue what she was talking about"
[LNet]-GSIV:Sam: "You mean you had no clue what you were talking about?"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Either way, I had severed ties to the game and Khariz stepped in to buy it back. Why? Not because he wanted to clear his name, but because he WANTED the weapon back because he knows what it is"
[LNet]-You: "Andraste looked at it too, it was confirmed as having less than 40 pts"
[LNet]-GSIV:Sam: "just because you sell something as it was advertised to you... it doesn't absolve you of being a shady merchant"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "I gave all the info I had...you got your money back...just not from me."
[LNet]-You: "Meureii, you need to look at that thread. He bought it back because he vouched for you"
[LNet]-You: "You know, he held his word, something you'd know nothing about."
[LNet]-GSIV:Sam: "you didn't say "I don't know the weighting on this thing... i was told it was way over claid weight""
[LNet]-GSIV:Sam: "that's why you're a shitbag.. you should have just given me the money back, but you knew you'd never be able to sell it again for anything close, once you were exposed"

[Sam]

Too lazy/tired to clean this up better... but wanted to have it saved here for public record.
My interest was piqued when I noticed Meureii commenting on Inspire geting scammed.

[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Good for Durg" (11:34:17 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Inspire...at least Michaelous does what he does on purpose" (11:36:14 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Michaelous thinks it's funny that he's labled a dueche....so he ACTS like a dueche. Inspire just has no idea" (11:36:55 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "He is good at quittich though" (11:40:55 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Seeker of Gay things. Gay Things Owner....Gay Dude All are feasable pre-titles for the feller" (11:41:48 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Inspire" (11:42:08 PM)

[LNet]-You: "haha was Meureii just talking shit about Inspire having shady practices" (11:50:57 PM)

[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Don't get started on that bullshit....I put all the info out that I had and you got your money back. Funny thing is Durg now owns the claidhmore..." (11:51:47 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Rogane: "Meureii, you are such a piece of shit" (11:52:06 PM)

[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "I sold Brute a shaalk claid that I was told by Emeradan that it had Extra weighting.." (11:52:37 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Khariz, who sold it to me and did extensive testing on it, also confirmed this" (11:52:56 PM)

[LNet]-GSIV:Rogane: "Meureii, there is no way emeredan would look a shaalk claidhmore and not turn it into vultite" (11:53:05 PM)

[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Rogane, he would if I was part of their team at the time." (11:53:24 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "And live like 10 minutes from the dude and eat at the restaurant he works at all the fucking time" (11:53:38 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Either way...I put all the info I had out...quit the game because Hosting was bullshit and ruined it for me" (11:54:05 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Brute bought it...didn't want it after I canceled my accounts and wanted his money back. I said no, Khariz bought it back from him and sold it to Durg" (11:54:35 PM)

[LNet]-GSIV:Rogane: "Meureii, admit it, the item wasn't what you advertised and you wouldn't give the money back" (11:54:54 PM)

[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "I was selling BECAUSE I was quitting you fucking idiot" (11:54:55 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "To this day I believe it is what I said...GM's confirmed it to me...the history of it confirms it...Meta was the original owner...confirmed." (11:55:21 PM)

[LNet]-GSF:Leland: "For what its worth, Meureii has always been a stand up guy" (11:55:25 PM)

[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Yes I am.." (11:55:51 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "When it was confirmed to be by Em, who was a friend at the time, that the weapon BROKE the new assessing system when it came out." (11:56:15 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "It came from a time when 1 point of weighting added 1lb to the weapon...the claid weighs 30+ fucking pounds" (11:57:10 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Hundreds of hours were spent on testing it...GM's confirmed it...." (11:57:22 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Before the assess change only claidhmores with EXTRA weighting would assess and show the ammount. This did such a thing." (11:57:43 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "That GM had no fucking clue what she was talking about" (11:57:56 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Either way, I had severed ties to the game and Khariz stepped in to buy it back. Why? Not because he wanted to clear his name, but because he WANTED the weapon back because he knows what it is" (11:58:28 PM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "I gave all the info I had...you got your money back...just not from me." (11:58:58 PM)

[LNet]-GSIV:Rogane: "Meureii, you need to look at that thread. He bought it back because he vouched for you" (11:58:59 PM)

[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "The only shaddy thing was you trying to post my address on the PC" (12:00:06 AM)
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Yeah...but too bad you posted my Mother's house and not an actual business like some assholes" (12:00:49 AM)

[LNet]-You: "lol Meureii's profile: Quote: "Prowess, Courage, Honesty, Loyalty, Generosity, Faith, Courtesy and Franchise"" (12:01:34 AM)

[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Cause I don't give a fuck about you or anyone else trying to do some stupid shit....I did nothing wrong, sold it to you with the info I was told." (12:01:41 AM)

[LNet]-GSIV:Gnimble: "[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Hundreds of hours were spent on testing it...GM's confirmed it...." -- About 10 minutes hunting rats with a player with Zero dex bonus would have told you you're full of shit." (12:05:58 AM)

[WRoss]

Look at the post above you dumb ass

[Stry]

Suddenly, lines of fiery gold radiance manifest nearby, spelling out "Action. Consequence. Results." The lettering hangs briefly in midair before fading away.

While the timing was perfect. This had to do with the Fash'lo'nae lore/history release thing.

It's a good read.

Anyhow, carry on.

[Drew]

I will say one thing, I heard from a person who would know that Meureii's player was on the fast track to becoming a GM until the claidhmore incident and now he's out. So at least this guy isn't ruining the game from the other side.

[WRoss]

Bump for Meureii's return.

[Khariz]

Bump for Meureii's return.

Mayhaps I should return again as well.

[SHAFT]

Mayhaps I should return again as well.

Hey now

[Androidpk]

Mayhaps I should return again as well.

Only if you convert to a monk.

[Khariz]

Only if you convert to a monk.

I didn't even know monks were out...or am I being trolled? Sad that I don't care to find out?

[Androidpk]

They are officially official. You can roll one up now or convert sometime in the near future.

[SHAFT]

I didn't even know monks were out...or am I being trolled? Sad that I don't care to find out?

Monks exist my friend. Go to the character creator

[Kronius]

Just read all 21 pages of this thread. Thanks for the thread necromancy, two thumbs up.

[Sam]

Fuck this thread.

[Velfi]

poor sam :(

[WRoss]

bump

[Hurricane]

this the same as the ruby-hilted blue shaalk claid?

[Ardwen]

no its the white shaalk claid

[Androidpk]

this the same as the ruby-hilted blue shaalk claid?

I believe this one was converted to new style and is now a vultite claid.

[Ardwen]

its a vultite not claid now would be more accurate wouldnt it?

[WRoss]

I think someone got extra weighting put on it, so maybe an almost claid?

[Methais]

lol breakage

[WRoss]

bump

[Khariz]

Wow, really? Hilarious.

[WRoss]

[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Long story short...dudes an idiot and got his own claid nerfed"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "not my fault...no money back for you"
[LNet]-GSIV:Saervy: "I ashr I think it was 10mil"
[LNet]-GSIV:Octaviah: "what happened"
[LNet]-GSIV:Saervy: "Err yeah that"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Yomp...that...like 8 years ago, wasn't even whoever this Refram person is, and you had nothing to do with anything of that time so say what you want."
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "you don't know anything"
[LNet]-You: "Meureii was selling a claid very shadily, stated it was extra weighted, sold it, facts were checked and it wasn't extra weighted, but had less than normal weighting"
[LNet]-You: "refused to refund the money"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Because that sounds right?"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "it had extra weighting but was under."
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "It was owned by Metaboculous, the first warrior to 100, he had it weighted back back back in the day when every point of weighting added 1 lbs. The shaalk claid weighed like 40 lbs or something stupid"
[LNet]-GSIV:Meureii: "Khariz owned it...verified everything....GM what's his face that runs the shit looked at it when I was holding it and told me it broke the old weighting scale and doubled back over"

[Khariz]

The most important posts in this whole thing (in my opinion) are posts 55 through 59 and post 77, where I explained everything and then made good on Meureii's bullshit. It's fine if you guys want to keep dragging him through the mud, I don't mind that. I'd just like it to also be remembered that I made everything right at the end, and took responsibility for it.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?46415-a-white-shaalk-claidhmore&p=1004441#post1004441

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?46415-a-white-shaalk-claidhmore&p=1004444#post1004444

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?46415-a-white-shaalk-claidhmore&p=1004470#post1004470

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?46415-a-white-shaalk-claidhmore&p=1004667#post1004667

[WRoss]

The most important posts in this whole thing (in my opinion) are posts 55 through 59 and post 77, where I explained everything and then made good on Meureii's bullshit. It's fine if you guys want to keep dragging him through the mud, I don't mind that. I'd just like it to also be remembered that I made everything right at the end, and took responsibility for it.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?46415-a-white-shaalk-claidhmore&p=1004441#post1004441

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?46415-a-white-shaalk-claidhmore&p=1004444#post1004444

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?46415-a-white-shaalk-claidhmore&p=1004470#post1004470

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?46415-a-white-shaalk-claidhmore&p=1004667#post1004667

You did make good on your end. He's just back and trying to buy expensive stuff, claiming that this whole thing had nothing to do with him, which is complete BS.

[Khariz]

Interesting. I didn't know that. I just still get e-mail notifications on this thread. Haven't read the board in about a year probably. Never mind me. Proceed!

[Androidpk]

Interesting. I didn't know that. I just still get e-mail notifications on this thread. Haven't read the board in about a year probably. Never mind me. Proceed!

Slacker! There has been a dire shortage of berserk logs in your absence.

[WRoss]

Interesting. I didn't know that. I just still get e-mail notifications on this thread. Haven't read the board in about a year probably. Never mind me. Proceed!

Now I know how to summon you.

[Methais]

Slacker! There has been a dire shortage of berserk logs in your absence.

Yeah, what the fuck man?

I thought I knew you bro. I thought I knew you.

[Astray]

Yeah, what the fuck man?

I thought I knew you bro. I thought I knew you.

Bro, you saying he didn't know? Bro!

[Khariz]

I love you guys. Haha. I'm sure I'll be back to make more bullshit logs in the future.

[Eshielle]

The amount of spite in this thread is simply inspiring.
Thanks for the good read.

[Khariz]

The amount of spite in this thread is simply inspiring.
Thanks for the good read.

It's good shit, isn't it?

[WRoss]

It's good shit, isn't it?

I just reread the post from start to beginning. Not too bad!

[Durgrimst]

I know who had the claid converted.... Im glad that I haven't missed much in the last few years.

[WRoss]

I know who had the claid converted.... Im glad that I haven't missed much in the last few years.

I hope you know.