Yet another FIXSKILLS Thread

[Scarlyle]

I've recently returned again and have a fixskills available. When I stopped playing my rogue YEARS ago archery was brand new but now sounds like it's pretty viable. I always kind of envisioned this character as a raipier + main gauche swashbuckler but doing that and being a master picker and sneak (which I found that I really enjoyed) wasn't really viable. So can one of you archery rogues tell me how that works in the current system and is it possible to have a stealthy lock master shooty rogue that also has some spells? I'd drop CMAN SURGE but I'm not sure what other CMAN to work towards for an archery build?

Here's my current info:

Race: Half-Elf Profession: Rogue (shown as: Locksmith)
Gender: Male Age: 79 Expr: 2029932 Level: 43
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 99 (24) ... 99 (24)
Constitution (CON): 90 (20) ... 90 (20)
Dexterity (DEX): 95 (27) ... 95 (27)
Agility (AGI): 96 (33) ... 96 (33)
Discipline (DIS): 85 (12) ... 85 (12)
Aura (AUR): 70 (10) ... 70 (10)
Logic (LOG): 79 (14) ... 79 (14)
Intuition (INT): 71 (10) ... 71 (10)
Wisdom (WIS): 63 (6) ... 63 (6)
Influence (INF): 55 (7) ... 55 (7)
Mana: 1 Silver: 29400
H>skill
(at level 43), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 120 30
Shield Use.........................| 156 56
Combat Maneuvers...................| 162 62
Edged Weapons......................| 190 90
Ambush.............................| 190 90
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Dodging............................| 190 90
Arcane Symbols.....................| 58 12
Magic Item Use.....................| 25 5
Disarming Traps....................| 190 90
Picking Locks......................| 227 127
Stalking and Hiding................| 226 126
Perception.........................| 190 90
Climbing...........................| 128 34
Swimming...........................| 114 28
First Aid..........................| 117 29
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)

your Combat Maneuver training is as follows:

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Shadow Mastery smastery 5
Surge of Strength surge 4

Available Combat Maneuver Training Points: 7

Also, any other advice about the viability and hunting style would be appreciated.

EDIT: For all I know a TWC, picking rogue with some spells may be feasible so if I'm totally deluded you can point that out too.

[DaCapn]

I don't think TWC ambush isn't really feasible skill point-wise with picking.

As for ranged mechanics, check here (AS, RT):
http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Ranged_Weapons

Make sure to look into the upshots of various armor and armor specializations. Strength affects your bow firing RT so you may want to keep surge. As a half-elf you should be able to get away with 509 (white crystals) to keep you at 40 strength bonus for 4 seconds of reduction. If you want to aim from hiding with a longbow you're going to need 509 plus 2 ranks of surge to get minimal RT. Also consider how much extra ranks of surge will affect your percentage of time with it active (as more ranks lower the cooldown time).

I also have a THW ambushing ewaving rogue which is pretty fun. But there's not enough room for picking with a build like that.

This is mine at level 60, pretty standard. As a halfling, I need 509 and surge at 5 ranks to get the composite bow time down to minimum. My short-term goal is a couple ranks of the evade mastery cman, longer term is armor use at 90 ranks (probably for aug chain), and 3x dodge by cap (like the day will ever come).



Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 150 50
Combat Maneuvers...................| 181 81
Ranged Weapons.....................| 224 124
Ambush.............................| 224 124
Physical Fitness...................| 162 62
Dodging............................| 224 124
Harness Power......................| 93 21
Disarming Traps....................| 224 124
Picking Locks......................| 224 124
Stalking and Hiding................| 224 124
Perception.........................| 224 124
Climbing...........................| 130 35
Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 14


your Combat Maneuver training is as follows:

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Shadow Mastery smastery 5
Combat Mobility mobility 2
Surge of Strength surge 5


your Armor Specialization training is as follows:

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Armored Stealth stealth 2

There are some open-ranged people who might tell you more about that.

[Scarlyle]

Before I pull the trigger on FIXSKILLS how does this look for a new plan?


Rascal (at level 43), your base skill bonuses, ranks and goals are:
Skill Name | Actual Actual
| Bonus Ranks Goals In-Game Time to Goal
Armor Use..........................| 120 30 30
Shield Use.........................| 155 55.970 0 49 days, 8 hours, 27 minutes
Combat Maneuvers...................| 161 61.970 60 13 hours, 8 minutes
Edged Weapons......................| 189 89.940 0 50 days, 1 hour, 7 minutes
Ranged Weapons.....................| 35 7 90 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Ambush.............................| 190 90 90
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24.920 24 2 hours, 18 minutes
Dodging............................| 190 90 90
Arcane Symbols.....................| 54 11.966 10 11 hours, 28 minutes
Magic Item Use.....................| 20 4.970 0 1 day, 9 hours, 8 minutes
Harness Power......................| 0 0 15 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Disarming Traps....................| 190 90 101 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Picking Locks......................| 226 126.940 120 23 hours, 8 minutes
Stalking and Hiding................| 225 125.940 101 13 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes
Perception.........................| 190 90 90
Climbing...........................| 126 33.760 24 8 hours, 8 minutes
Swimming...........................| 111 27.880 24 6 hours, 28 minutes
First Aid..........................| 114 28.880 0 2 days, 1 hour, 28 minutes

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 0 4 ASAP (will rise when points are available)

I notice a lot of people are tripling in lock/disarm, is it necessary these days to max locks and disarm if you want to be an able bodied picker? Double in traps used to be enough but that was before these kooky new traps. What benefit do you get from going over 2x in perception?

[DaCapn]

I notice a lot of people are tripling in lock/disarm, is it necessary these days to max locks and disarm if you want to be an able bodied picker? Double in traps used to be enough but that was before these kooky new traps. What benefit do you get from going over 2x in perception?

3x in picking skills is necessary for some boxes closer to cap (I can get plane 1 rift and below as well as capped grimswarm boxes without a problem). Not sure what areas that includes. More than 2x perception is only good for aiming in the open. No ranged AS benefits beyond 2x and you can get away with 2x or less for finding traps (depending upon your stats, disarm training, etc).

[Endlin]

2x picking + lores will allow you to get just about all of your own boxes for a while... Depending on what you hunt, you'll start encountering some that are out of your range.

I'm 2x picking/disarm and I've been hunting Maaghara (sp?) Tower in Illistim. And for some reason those boxes are harder than any plane 1, 2 or Ducts box I've had. I can only get about 75% of them.

So pretty much, if you wanna be super picker and pick all of your own boxes, and over your head. Yeah, you need to 2.5 or 3x. If you're comfortable with not being able to get all of them, but most... 2x is fine. Especially as someone contributing to the over population of elves, with their dexterity bonus.

[kookiegod]

Here's my take on rogue archery from another thread....

I've posted before I don't hide, at all, and it works just fine.

For staying in the open, I'd spend more on armor, get into mbp or chain as quickly as you can, since you WILL get hit more.

I use a lot of magical toys, so I don't do spells (yet), but yah, getting ewave either in spell or imbed form is always worth it.

For what its worth, this is my rogue archer build.

(at level 44), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 187 87 <-- in mbp now
Shield Use.........................| 15 3 <- stupid enhansive
Combat Maneuvers...................| 146 46
Ranged Weapons.....................| 196 96
Ambush.............................| 192 92
Physical Fitness...................| 146 46
Dodging............................| 218 118 <- lots of dodge 2.5x DS
Arcane Symbols.....................| 120 30 <--- scrolls
Magic Item Use.....................| 120 30 <-- magic toys
Harness Power......................| 129 34 <-- ditto
Elemental Mana Control.............| 10 2 <--- another enhansive
Disarming Traps....................| 192 92 <- 2x
Picking Locks......................| 192 92 < - 2x
Perception.........................| 192 92 <- 2x
Climbing...........................| 105 25 <- no issues
Swimming...........................| 90 20 <- live on teras, could go
Training Points: 9 Phy 0 Mnt (66 Phy converted to Mnt)

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Specialization I wspec1 5 <--- more AS to kill
Combat Mobility mobility 1

You are a Master of Sweep.

You are a Master of Cheap Shot.

You are a Master in the Council of Light. (considering moving to Sunfist before the shroud gets toooo bad for sigil of mending)

Your Armor Specialization training is as follows:

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Armored Evasion evasion 3



I got no problems killing fast, and effectively, and getting all my loot and picking my boxes.

Hope that helps!

[Endlin]

The OP also said they enjoyed being "stealthy".......

[kookiegod]

The OP also said they enjoyed being "stealthy".......

Yah, I saw, just giving an alternate take before they go down the fixskills route.

Hiding just bores me, saves time, kill faster, get into town and pick the loot...

~Paul

[Endlin]

Go hunt something that walks around with mind jolt prepped. Boredom solved!