Naxx

[AestheticDeath]

Just tried it with my own guy for the first time, and I am sure you guys will be happy to know I personally was able to wipe the raid three times all by myself, between the two wings we did. We didn't complete the spider wing, got stuck on the last boss, where we wiped twice. Only one of those was my fault. First wipe our last man went down with the spider at like 50k health.

And quite frankly I believe I can gear up easier in 5 man ToC than I can in Naxx. Heroic 5man ToC was easier than the complicated shit Naxx involves.

[GS4-Brimzstone]

The new gearing up goes something like this
Nax 10/25 is only good if you want tier 7 for just having it purposes
With the 2 patches that were released it offers so much content that you dont have to step into nax unless you want a specific piece


Do the heroics + heroic daily every day
Do the new 5 man instance
PuG the new 10 man instance
Do the argent Tournament stuff
Do the Vault of Archavon

[StrayRogue]

We cleared Naxx in t6. It isn't complicated in the slightest, especially the spider wing. You just suck balls.

[Alfster]

a whole raid of failboats. Haha. Spider wing is easy mode.

[Methais]

Just tried it with my own guy for the first time, and I am sure you guys will be happy to know I personally was able to wipe the raid three times all by myself, between the two wings we did. We didn't complete the spider wing, got stuck on the last boss, where we wiped twice. Only one of those was my fault. First wipe our last man went down with the spider at like 50k health.

And quite frankly I believe I can gear up easier in 5 man ToC than I can in Naxx. Heroic 5man ToC was easier than the complicated shit Naxx involves.

So were you tanking? Or did you manage to wipe it as dps somehow?

[Nieninque]

a whole raid of failboats. Haha. Spider wing is easy mode.

^


We cleared Naxx in t6. It isn't complicated in the slightest, especially the spider wing. You just suck balls.

^

[Kyra231]

Just tried it with my own guy for the first time, and I am sure you guys will be happy to know I personally was able to wipe the raid three times all by myself, between the two wings we did. We didn't complete the spider wing, got stuck on the last boss, where we wiped twice. Only one of those was my fault. First wipe our last man went down with the spider at like 50k health.

And quite frankly I believe I can gear up easier in 5 man ToC than I can in Naxx. Heroic 5man ToC was easier than the complicated shit Naxx involves.

:wtf:

[Androidpk]

You can faceroll through naxx.

[StrayRogue]

Especially as a DK.

[AestheticDeath]

Haha, I knew that would make the day for you all.


So were you tanking? Or did you manage to wipe it as dps somehow?

Both? I was supposed to be off-tank, and take over if the main went down. But they quite clearly told me to just DPS and not worry about it, cause the main tank 'would never go down'. But during the enraged part he had enough poison stacks or something that when all the healers got webbed at the same time, he went poof. And I didn't realize it quick enough to pick up the spider, so the healers died next, and we wiped. :P

The other two wipes I caused were once on Razuvious where you control the other guys to kill him, I didn't refresh the mind control fast enough, and I don't think it is possible to kill Raz with only one of the other guys. Not in our gear anyways.

And then once on the four horsemen, I'm not really sure if it was me or the healer that was on me, but I went down rather quickly and that was that. That healer left and took a rogue with him, and when we replaced them we cleared it pretty easy, which leads me to believe it might have been the healer but I dunno.

I was kinda confused on a lot of the fights though, since I didn't read up on anything. And everyone has a different way of explaining how it goes down. I was kind of confused as to how healer/DPS were going to tank the other two horsemen in the back... They just don't do much damage or what?

Anyways, I think I did well enough for this being my first 80, my first tank etc. And not really having much if any experience in the game as far as this stuff goes. If you look at my armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Shadowsong&cn=Torand&gn=FifthAngel)you can see I have done next to nothing in the way of instances much less anything else.

Besides I'm sure NONE of you have been responsible for wiping a raid or anything.

[StrayRogue]

I was kinda confused on a lot of the fights though, since I didn't read up on anything. And everyone has a different way of explaining how it goes down. I was kind of confused as to how healer/DPS were going to tank the other two horsemen in the back... They just don't do much damage or what?



People like you are retards.

I've caused wipes before, mainly due to minor player error (like falling off the ledge at the Eredar twins /facepalm), lag or bad luck. Being an off-tank and not having secondary aggro is utterly retarded, though.

You dying at Four Horseman is your own retardation, not the healers.

[AestheticDeath]

Such kind words you bring to the conversations. Did you even read what I posted? I wasn't actually off-tank anymore, they told me to DPS, hence no frost presence, and as DPS I had lower DPS than half the people there. My best DPS maxed at like 2600 that night, and that was only on mobs, not single target.

You expecting me to be perfect and not make mistakes on my first trip is stupid at best. And since most if not all of the other guys were better geared and had made the trips before, I don't see how you can expect me to have better DPS or more threat, positively staying second the whole time.

Frost presence in and of itself probably made the most difference in me not having the threat I needed at the time.

[Asha]

People like you are retards.

I've caused wipes before, mainly due to minor player error (like falling off the ledge at the Eredar twins /facepalm), lag or bad luck. Being an off-tank and not having secondary aggro is utterly retarded, though.

You dying at Four Horseman is your own retardation, not the healers.
Jesus fucking Christ, listen to yourself.

[AestheticDeath]

The new gearing up goes something like this
Nax 10/25 is only good if you want tier 7 for just having it purposes
With the 2 patches that were released it offers so much content that you dont have to step into nax unless you want a specific piece


Do the heroics + heroic daily every day
Do the new 5 man instance
PuG the new 10 man instance
Do the argent Tournament stuff
Do the Vault of Archavon

BTW, thanks for actually providing something useful, rather than just spouting rubbish and insults like I expected from everyone.

[StrayRogue]

Sorry, I can't listen to text. But if I were to, I'd hop on over to an Emo LOOKATMETHREAD/POST that you or your protege Sean had conjurred, and have a listen.

[TheEschaton]

Haha, I knew that would make the day for you all.



Both? I was supposed to be off-tank, and take over if the main went down. But they quite clearly told me to just DPS and not worry about it, cause the main tank 'would never go down'. But during the enraged part he had enough poison stacks or something that when all the healers got webbed at the same time, he went poof. And I didn't realize it quick enough to pick up the spider, so the healers died next, and we wiped. :P

The other two wipes I caused were once on Razuvious where you control the other guys to kill him, I didn't refresh the mind control fast enough, and I don't think it is possible to kill Raz with only one of the other guys. Not in our gear anyways.

And then once on the four horsemen, I'm not really sure if it was me or the healer that was on me, but I went down rather quickly and that was that. That healer left and took a rogue with him, and when we replaced them we cleared it pretty easy, which leads me to believe it might have been the healer but I dunno.

I was kinda confused on a lot of the fights though, since I didn't read up on anything. And everyone has a different way of explaining how it goes down. I was kind of confused as to how healer/DPS were going to tank the other two horsemen in the back... They just don't do much damage or what?

Anyways, I think I did well enough for this being my first 80, my first tank etc. And not really having much if any experience in the game as far as this stuff goes. If you look at my armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Shadowsong&cn=Torand&gn=FifthAngel)you can see I have done next to nothing in the way of instances much less anything else.

Besides I'm sure NONE of you have been responsible for wiping a raid or anything.

IDK, none of that sounds too bad.

1. If there's no one cleansing the poisons on Maexnna (the big spider) obviously the tank is gonna go down on enraged web sprays. That poison reduces healing something retarded, like 90%. Of course, if the tank isn't popping CDs before web spray either, he's an r-tard as well. It's a one tank fight, that you were DPSing and didn't pick it up fast enough is not something that you're completely blameworthy of. Were you in dps spec and expected to tank as that, or tank spec in blood/unholy presence trying to do damage?

2. The Raz fight with the crystals (10 man) is a pain in the ass, I always feel like the crystals are bugged, so I keep clicking them and it keeps on putting it on/dropping it real quick. This one is your fault, yes, but it's a mechanics fight, once you get it down, it's done deal.

3. If you were dying on 4H as a tank, that's the healer's fault, unless you weren't switching when you got marks put on you. The two in the back only cast spells, so you only need 2 people in range of each of them for them to cast spells at (otherwise they cast raid wide shitfests). Each horseman puts a mark on anyone in range, and at 4 stacks of the debuff, you're supposed to switch horsemen, because each stack does exponentially more damage. So the front two switch when there's 4 stacks, the back two switch when there's four stacks.

I have never been the cause of a wipe, I'm a smart (and overly cautious, at the expense of my dps) player who reads all the strats before hand.

[AnticorRifling]

You didn't pick the boss up and 1 healer dies, ok, all of them die... - Fail There is nothing tough about being DPS spec/gear and hitting frost presence, taunt, pop a pet to sacrifice it while people adjust, etc...

Razuvious takes practice.

Four Horsemen in the back as a DK it's freaking easy mode. That fight was built for a DK tank.... Stay out of the voids, deathstrike, use anti magic shell, profit. - Fail

You didn't attempt to read the strats just to have a basic understanding of the fights. - Fail

You admit to going into Naxx as an undergeared tank that hasn't done anything in the way of building a set via some quick heroics. - Fail

Man I totally don't get why so many people have a bad taste in their mouths for DKs.......

[TheEschaton]

I was under the impression he was in the front tanking either Rivendare or Thane, since he was the OT for the run.

If you're in the back and dying, then yeah, that's stupid, just pop AMS and whammo.

As for Maexnna, how many healers are there on 10 man? 2? And he already admitted he didn't realize what happened, which is his measure of the blame.

[AnticorRifling]

I was under the impression he was in the front tanking either Rivendare or Thane, since he was the OT for the run.

If you're in the back and dying, then yeah, that's stupid, just pop AMS and whammo.

As for Maexnna, how many healers are there on 10 man? 2? And he already admitted he didn't realize what happened, which is his measure of the blame.


In the front it's just as easy, pop army of the dead for the meteor, pop a pet and sac it, use your cooldowns, profit


Healers shouldn't be next on threat....even with points in subversion I'm way, way ahead of the healers on threat when I dps.

[Xaerve]

God damn this guy LOVES attention.

[g++]

A few guesses about this run....

Most of the dps were probarbly webbed to the wall on maexnna. Theres no other way the healers would be on the aggro chart at all.

The other people were as clueless about naxxramas as you or else they would not have let you do the Razuvious event to begin with.

No one explained the stacking debuff correctly to you on 4 horseman. Its almost hard to die on four horseman on 10 man without fucking the debuff up. I used to go ret....in blues...in march... and judge light to tank the back and stayed at full health.

Thats what it sounds like to me and honestly if at this point in time you told a naxx raid you were a nub and they didnt explain shit correctly to you they deserved to be wiped.

[AestheticDeath]

God damn this guy LOVES attention.

That's why I post this stuff every day ya know. And post in threads which have nothing to do with me and make fun of people. Attention whore that I am... Also, thanks for the rep!


A few guesses about this run....

Most of the dps were probarbly webbed to the wall on maexnna. Theres no other way the healers would be on the aggro chart at all.

The other people were as clueless about naxxramas as you or else they would not have let you do the Razuvious event to begin with.

No one explained the stacking debuff correctly to you on 4 horseman. Its almost hard to die on four horseman on 10 man without fucking the debuff up. I used to go ret....in blues...in march... and judge light to tank the back and stayed at full health.

Thats what it sounds like to me and honestly if at this point in time you told a naxx raid you were a nub and they didnt explain shit correctly to you they deserved to be wiped.

It was a guild run, the whole point was to teach us Naxx and of course get some gear.

I think there were a few people webbed on the wall, but mostly it was a mass web thing that holds you for a few seconds, that was pretty much the time frame of when everything fell apart. We just went poof.

I think the major problem was the DPS, if we'd had only a little bit more the spider would have been dead before the tank. Been a couple days now so I could be hallucinating but I think we had three healers for some reason, to fill slots or whatever. DPS was 2 rogues and a mage, a warlock and one other? Not sure who else.

[AnticorRifling]

If the whole point was to teach Naxx why weren't they explaining fights?

That fight is all about properly handling the mass web....

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I did TOC 10 yesterday, was a cake walk save for the faction champs. God they suck.

Regards Naxx, I've only done certain parts of it, frankly when I dinged 80 I did all the regular instances until I was equipped enough for heroics, then farmed heroics for purples and emblems. Now I do the daily heroic and normal daily (on heroic) every day, fish and cook, and whatever random daily I run across in the process, and item up via emblems.

My guild is mostly a weeknight raiding guild and they are primarily in Australia, Japan and Korea, so I don't get to raid much with them until weekends, so I have to up my items via emblems and heroics, or pugging raids. It's not bad, and I enjoy accumulating the emblems.

TOC 10 man raid yesterday I got I think 12 emblems of triumph (may have that backwards), which is like 6 days of dailies. I'm gonna pug it as much as I can :)

[Methais]

It was a guild run, the whole point was to teach us Naxx and of course get some gear.

So...did anyone bother reading strats and/or watching videos or anything at all beforehand?


If the whole point was to teach Naxx why weren't they explaining fights?

That too.

[g++]

Have you done Jaraxxus yet Methais? The mistresses of pain emerge in a way that I think you find highly entertaining.

literally the first time I did this fight I was like "Wow this guy I know on a message board is going to flip out when he sees this"

[Methais]

Have you done Jaraxxus yet Methais? The mistresses of pain emerge in a way that I think you find highly entertaining.

literally the first time I did this fight I was like "Wow this guy I know on a message board is going to flip out when he sees this"

I haven't done any 10/25 ToC yet, but I'm assuming he crawls out of a giant anus?

[Tea & Strumpets]

I haven't done any 10/25 ToC yet, but I'm assuming he crawls out of a giant anus?


I thought the exact same thing. You should be ashamed of yourself, Methais.

[g++]

The mistresses come out of a portal held open by spectral hands...its like the biggest goatse tribute in a video game ever.

[Lulfas]

k, a general help you post for your spec and glyphs.

Frost and Unholy are currently not good tanking specs. You will do much worse trying to tank in them. Try switching your spec over to this. http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=6&tal=0055320530003303201023131350305000000000000000 000000000000052300000000000000000000000000

More HP, better debuff, better cooldowns, etc. Glyphs, you want DeathStrike, Vampiric Blood, and you have a freebie. I go for Death and Decay for multimob tanking, most go for runestrike for single target threat.

[Lulfas]

I think the major problem was the DPS, if we'd had only a little bit more the spider would have been dead before the tank. Been a couple days now so I could be hallucinating but I think we had three healers for some reason, to fill slots or whatever. DPS was 2 rogues and a mage, a warlock and one other? Not sure who else.

Make sure to use DBM and have your healers all throw a HOT on you right before webwrap. Also, use one of your cooldowns just before each of the webwraps once she enrages at.. 30%? 40? Don't quite remember, been awhile since I've ran Naxx.

[Methais]

The mistresses come out of a portal held open by spectral hands...its like the biggest goatse tribute in a video game ever.

Bah. All the youtube videos start with the fight already in progress.

You should grab a screenshot next time.