Better Living in Federal Prison.

[longshot]

Gulty across the board!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040306/ap_on_bi_ge/martha_stewart&cid=509&ncid=716

Next week on Martha Stewart Living--

How to make a delicious tuna melt using an old paper bag and an iron!

Also, we will look at ways to spruce up those cold steel bars in your cell!

This is too funny...

I tried to feel bad, but she lied about everything, so I can't.

[peam]

3 years probation.

You heard it here first.

[longshot]

No way.

If she plea bargained to the orignal counts, sure.

But she lied her ass off to the SEC, the FBI, and everyone else. She'll do time. I bet at least a year.

[Weedmage Princess]

LMAO I was so happy when I read that. I thought I was evil for being glad she might go to prison...I mean she IS 62...but hey...you won't do the time if you don't do the crime.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by peam
3 years probation.

You heard it here first.

I have to agree with longshot on this one.

She is going to jail. It may not be for a long time followed by a lengthy probation period, but for sure i don't see how she can avoid real prison time of some sort.

[MPSorc]

And you know that ole Martha is up for several daytime emmy awards, which the award show will be "after" her sentence hearing, so we could possibly see.....


"and now on remote satalite video link all the way from (insert jail name) here is Martha Stewart to accept her award for (insert cheesy award name for home improvement shows)

[Ravenstorm]

I think she'll get prison time. She's an example. What with all the corporate corruption in the last few years, she became a symbol that it doesn't matter how much money you have, if you break the law you're getting prosecuted.

They have to give her some jail time now she's been found guilty. Granted, it won't be much and time off for good behavior will most likely happen. But she's going to be behind bars. Even if they do have curtains.

Raven

[Trinitis]

I tell you what, if they deside to make her an "example" and hit her with 10+ years..I'm gonna be pissed.

We've had 4 people in the local area arrested, and convicted of murder in the past 6 months who only got 3-4 years each.

[Knights Templar]

What you guys don't understand is that she has enough money to appeal after appeal all the way to the supreme court which could take decades if properly dragged out. I doubt she will see prison in her lifetime, she has enough money to postpone it until she dies.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Knights Templar
What you guys don't understand is that she has enough money to appeal after appeal all the way to the supreme court which could take decades if properly dragged out. I doubt she will see prison in her lifetime, she has enough money to postpone it until she dies.

When you get convicted in the first trial, you go to jail. (most times) You can appeal all you want, but you remain in jail until you are found innocent. Not to mention, this case would NEVER find it's way into the supreme court.

[Zeyrin]

I hope her old wrinkled cunt gets sent up the river for 10 years atleast and she enjoys long, warm prision showers with her inmates on a regular basis.

[SpunGirl]

FEDERAL POUND-ME-IN-THE-ASS PRISON.

-K

[Mint]

Some of these posts made me giggle nervously...so harsh...so unforgiving

I wonder why she is so unlikeable (aside from being a criminial). I can't stand her and never have but I can't pinpoint what it is about her that makes my skin crawl.

[longshot]

Originally posted by Mint
Some of these posts made me giggle nervously...so harsh...so unforgiving

I wonder why she is so unlikeable (aside from being a criminial). I can't stand her and never have but I can't pinpoint what it is about her that makes my skin crawl.

At least for me, it has to do with remorse. She did something unethical. It was illegal. When confronted with it, rather than admit it and apologize, she lied more.

I could care less about her show, or what a bitch she supposedly is. She took the attitude that she was too good to come clean.

Today, there are many cases where people have apologized, and in doing so have gained a great deal of sympathy. Sometimes underservedly, but I would say that generally the public is rather forgiving when someone admits their wrongdoings.

Not to steer the topic too much, but the people who get caught and then keep bullshitting really piss me off. Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, and now Ms. Manners herself.

[Mint]

Makes sense to me. And don't get me started on Pete Rose...

[Betheny]

Jail time for her. She wasted a lot of money to try and get away with something she knew was wrong. Taxpayer's money, on this six week trial. If she had just been honest she wouldn't be in this predicament.

I hope she goes up the river for quite a while.

[Ilvane]

You know, why should she have to plead guilty if she didn't do anything wrong?

That kid who testified against her didn't like her because she brushed him off..:shrug:

I think she'll appeal, and she'll testify for herself.

-A

[Myshel]

I don't understand why people hate her so much. If someone gave you all a stock tip would you use it? I know I would. Her biggest crime is lying to cover it up and being famous. You think 40k that she made is a lot of money to her?

But besides that, here is a woman who came from nothing and is the head of billion $ corp., doing it by working her ass off. She did it by filling a need that people wanted. Teaching cooking, crafts, gardening, manners, home decor, ect. I can make fun of her "my way, is the best way" attitude, but it pisses me off that when a woman is aggressive, talented and ambitious she is labeled a bitch. But if it was a man, he would be admired for the same qualities.

I know in my small operation, I'm the one who is "bitchy" because I come down on people for not doing their job correctly, I'm the one who fires people. On the other hand the hubby is never labeled "bitch" when he is hard on people.

What I'm saying here is MS is hated for her ambition of perfectionism, long before this scandal, people mocked her. I don't think any of us really know her and I believe its cruel to hate and vilify her just because you don't think lace dollies are important. Perhaps jealousy, because she has created a life style that most of us will never experience, where ironed table cloths and napkin folds are important. But what I remember is that she started as a 13 year old baking cakes and selling them to neighbors.

I admire her drive, her knowledge and her business sense. I don't know her personally to say I like her as a person. I'm not a huge fan of her shows, but the ones I've watched, I think she is a good teacher, (which is how she describes herself). I have one of her cook books, well written and great recipes.

Edited to add a closing statement.
I think her biggest crime is being a woman people love to hate.

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by Myshel]

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I think you miss the point Myshel. What she did is wrong. Insider trading is wrong. Top it off, she lied, compounding the issue.

Does it matter if 40k is much to her? Not to me it doesn't. What DON"T we know about that she's done?

I hope she and others like her get thrown in jail, and maybe then some of the "above the law" jerks will get the message. Money doesn't equal right.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
I think you miss the point Myshel. What she did is wrong. Insider trading is wrong. Top it off, she lied, compounding the issue.

Does it matter if 40k is much to her? Not to me it doesn't. What DON"T we know about that she's done?

I hope she and others like her get thrown in jail, and maybe then some of the "above the law" jerks will get the message. Money doesn't equal right.

::applause::

[Myshel]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
I think you miss the point Myshel. What she did is wrong. Insider trading is wrong. Top it off, she lied, compounding the issue.

Does it matter if 40k is much to her? Not to me it doesn't. What DON"T we know about that she's done?

I hope she and others like her get thrown in jail, and maybe then some of the "above the law" jerks will get the message. Money doesn't equal right.

I didn't miss the point. I understand that completely, and she shouldn't have lied about it when caught.
My question is, would you pass up a stock tip like that. If you were in the same situation?

My second point was is she being made an example of because public opinion of her personally?

My third point is the man that gave her the tip should have been the focus and is the criminal.

I'm not saying she shouldn't be punished, for what happened. I'm saying she will be punished far more than the crime warrented because of who she is.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yes, I would. It would go against my morals and is unethical.

Who cares if she's public or private, she NEEDS to be put on trial. Just like the folks from Enron NEED to be put on trial. Its illegal.

The man who gave the tip was convicted of insider trading and is currently serving a 7 year sentence.

[Myshel]

I'm not disagreeing with you about the crime she did, and being convicted. She did it, she lied and she got caught. What upsets me is the cruelty and delight the public and press are taking in her downfall. She has always been a subject of redicule and I never could understand it. My orignal post was why do people hate her? I do think she will get a harsher sentence because of public opinion of her.

[longshot]

Originally posted by Myshel



I didn't miss the point. I understand that completely, and she shouldn't have lied about it when caught.
My question is, would you pass up a stock tip like that. If you were in the same situation?

This was not a stock tip! There is a very large difference here. Huge! The entire financial market system is based on trust that is cemented in law. This was insider trading. It is a clear violation of the rules. There is really no grey area here.

This was not a simple "tip". This was not bet on horse #4. This was, "I drugged all of the other horses, so you should bet on #4."

If a stock tip is a candy bar, insider trading is heroin. They are nowhere near the same thing.

I think the conviction has very little to do with her personality. I didn't hate her before, but I sure do now.

And the man who gave her the "tip" was convicted on every count save forging a document. He was, just as much as her, part of the investigation.

Next on Better living with Martha...

How to make a shank out of mashed potatoes and floor tile fragments! Stay tuned!

[Skirmisher]

I think it was the brazenness of her flat denials that irked so many people. I know it was that for me at least.

I get tired of the big guys getting away with everything all the time. Yes, this is a case making an example of someone and of course many others do commit similar crimes but the harsh reality of this is that she did commit the crime and was caught.

I look at it like speeding, trying to say that others do it too will not help you get out of a ticket.

I don't look upon her conviction with glee or anything, but i do think it is correct and lets do also be honest, she is not going to get huge time or go to some federal-pound-me-in-the-ass (fantastic movie by the way) maximum security prison either.

Her biggest punishment is already begun. CBS i think it is in NYC already dropped her show and others will follow suit, her print media income will also soon take incredible hits.

This all brings me back to the point made about her not needing the 50k or so that she saved through her illegal trading. How true this is, yet her greed even though she had a company worth hundreds of millions compelled her to break the law so flagrantly as to baffle the imagination. How sure she was that no one would call her on it. Not her, because she was this huge important person. Her greed lost a huge amount of money not only for her, but for all those stockholders of her company who lost a total that amounts into the hundreds of millions of dollars.

While yes its obvious we get shafted and called bitches too damn often simply for demanding the same that a male boss can demand and be seen as an excellent performer in this case I just see someone caught red handed.

Any sympathy I might have had for her being made an example of evaporates when i think of those facts.

[Ilvane]

She didn't get convicted of insider trading, anyway. She convicted of saying she didn't sell her stocks because Sam Waskal's family did.

There wasn't much evidence saying she did anything but sell her stocks when they hit 60, which is what she sold them at.

:shrug:

-A

[Chelle]

I like Martha. I understand they want to make an example of her but why dont they do that to some MAN, like Hillary Clinton, who's been doing it for several years, instead of picking on poor ole Martha. If she does any time, it won't be much and she'll have her own private cell. In the end I think they'll go easy on her. Plus she can write a book and do a movie to get back all her money she spent. lol.

[Skirmisher]

Ilvane, I love you, but come on.

I swear I do not harbor any ill will towards her or think anything horrible, but you have to be able to see that she used inside information no matter what the actual charge was.

This is not about a witch hunt to me.

She will do her time, which I would be shocked if its more than a year or two, get out and be able to move on. No animosity towards her personaly, simply toward the concept that allows the wealthy to make even more money than they need. So she pays her debt and is free.

She is still and will still be an incredibly wealthy woman having far more than I and most likely any of you will ever earn.

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by Skirmisher]

[Galleazzo]

People hate her because she thinks her shit don't stink, and because she's a liar. NO one runs an empire like hers with all those shows and has time to fold her napkins into fan patterns. She's a fucking con artist right to left and half her groupies hate themselves because they're not as fucking "perfect" as she puts herself over as being.

Now yer right, she's going to get 18 mos in a country club prison, but fuck, I'm glad she's going. I hope she gets it up the booty in the shower.

[Parkbandit]

Insider trading is wrong. Everyone knows it is against the law. Period.

Martha Stewart was on the Board of Directors of the NY Stock Exchange. She KNEW that the timing of the stock sale and the news about the drug not getting approved would be considered insider trading... especially because of her relationship with the CEO.

Anyone who doesn't believe she is guilty probably believes in things like the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause. The case was a slam dunk.. but Martha hoped that her money and social position would get her out.

It did not.