Hmm so what did I miss

I have read everything there and have seen nothing in relation to my problem on the Message Boards

The Log


*** Host Quabu is here to answer your assist. ***

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Quabu exclaims, "Hello *****!
>turn q
You turn to face Quabu.
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You smile at Quabu.
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "I am having a problem that I think might be a bug ."
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Quabu says, "GamehHost Quabu is at your service."
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Quabu smiles at you.
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Quabu whispers, "Okay, tell me about it."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Its my runestaff, im trained to use them but whenever i take it out I end up with a lower DS."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "So I am better off hunting without it as in open handed."
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Quabu whispers, "Let me check that a second."
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You nod to Quabu.
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Demiurgae just arrived.
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Demiurgae just went northwest.
>whis qu i can show ya if you need to witness it yourself
You quietly whisper to Quabu, "I can show ya if you need to witness it yourself."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Issue is at 5 trains there should be some improvement."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Bought a new runestaff instead of the one i came into the game with thinking that was the problem and it did nothing except the natuarl enchant of the wood."
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Quabu rubs his chin thoughtfully.
>skill
********* (at level 5), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 15 3
Physical Fitness...................| 30 6
Arcane Symbols.....................| 58 12
Magic Item Use.....................| 58 12
Spell Aiming.......................| 66 14
Harness Power......................| 66 14
Elemental Mana Control.............| 35 7
Elemental Lore - Earth.............| 5 1

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 8

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 1

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 5
Training Points: 107 Phy 0 Mnt (58 Phy converted to Mnt)
PsiNet has recorded your current skills.
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)
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Quabu whispers, "I am going to refer you to a GM on this."
>nod qu
You nod to Quabu.
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Heh so a weeks wait."
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Quabu whispers, "Hold on."
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You see GameHost Quabu Kejab.
He appears to be a Sylvankind of the Kytawa D'ahranal.
He appears to be senescent and average height. He has deep-set crystal green eyes and bronze skin. He has very short, silky amber hair with lighter streaks. He has a round face, a pointed nose and thin-tipped pointed ears.
He is in good shape.
He is holding a berry-stained parchment in his right hand and a crimson leatherbound songbook stamped with a golden lute in his left hand.
He is wearing a warped platinum star, a small bronze badge, a pair of gold leather boots with a crimson band around the top, a twisted crimson sash, a white silk robe with the symbol of Cholen embossed along the arm length sleeves, a bead necklace, a pair of crimson silk gloves, an ancient silver and gold pin inscribed with the words "GameHost Quabu", a shimmering glaesine orb, and a pair of silver and gold spectacles.
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Quabu whispers, "Okay, here is what I got for information."
>smile qu
You smile at Quabu.
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Quabu whispers, "According to my sources, your staff is working right."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "It is ment to lower my defence?"
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Quabu whispers, "I suggest you train more and read the boards on this."
>whsi qu i have 2x in MIU AS SA HP SPELLS

You quietly whisper to Quabu, "I have 2x in MIU AS SA HP SPELLS."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "More than 10 ranks per train."
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The shimmering multicolored sphere fades from around you.
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "In magical things."

Quabu whispers, "I am not arguing that. What I mean is as in years/levels."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "So then runestaves at younger ages are not ment to aid with defence?"
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "That sounds kinda silly does it not?"
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Quabu whispers, "Like I said read the boards."
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Quabu whispers, "I hear there is information over there on this."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Can you direct me to where, there being some 500,000 posts."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Makes it an argues task to thumb through."
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Quabu whispers, "Weapons, Armors, and Items in Runestaves."
>whis qu who is it posted by so i can find it easier
You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Who is it posted by so i can find it easier."
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Please wait...
>http://www.play.net/forums/touchdown.asp?

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Quabu whispers, "I don't know. You can check."
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Quabu whispers, "I cut down the entire board for you to a single folder which should help a lot."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Old or new boards?"
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Quabu whispers, "New."
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Quabu whispers, "Is there anything else?"
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "I do not see it."
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Quabu whispers, "Weapons, Armors, and Items."
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Quabu whispers, "Inside that is Runestaves."
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You nod.
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Quabu whispers, "That is where I would start or if it not there ask."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "My point is it is over 1000 posts if that is the case they should mention something about it in the documentation on the bards."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Not everyone has the time to read offical anouncments by GM's on the message boards."
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Quabu whispers, "Then people should read the folders that apply to what they use. Not every bard is using a runestave. And we don't crosspost."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Of the 80 posts in that folder for me there is nothing on runestaves, I am not a bard I am a Wizard."
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Quabu whispers, "You said bard earlier by mistake. I thought you were without looking."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "And I just thumbed through all the posts on the new boards in that folder, there is nothing by a GM that says anything to my point."
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Quabu whispers, "Well, I am telling you what I know and I told you how to proceed."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "As I said i just read the posts by gm's in that folder and there is nothing relating to the topic at hand."
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Quabu whispers, "Well, then you miss a lot. Because if that the case and players report such issues then you are missing information."
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Quabu whispers, "Anything else before I go?"
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Care to expalin what you ment by that, i do not understand."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Yes perhaps you can let me speak with another GH that will be more helpfull or refer me to a GM."
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Quabu whispers, "If you read GM only letters then you miss information. Say a player notes there is a problem with runestaves. Well, you don't read it so you miss it."
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Quabu whispers, "I been more than helpful."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Player information is nothing official."
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Quabu whispers, "What I told you been told me by a GM."
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Quabu whispers, "So you are getting GM info."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Then will you please ask the gm to give the post number on the topic, because it is not there."
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Quabu whispers, "Not hearing anything. Post a question."
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "It says nothing about if you are fully trained to use runestaves, why when you have a runestave out it would lower your DS by 10."
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You stand back up.
>magic
xxxxx swings a closed fist at you!
AS: +110 vs DS: +83 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +20 = +66
A clean miss.
>get rune
You remove a wide-grained deringo runestaff from in your forest green backpack.
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xxxxx swings a closed fist at you!
AS: +110 vs DS: +88 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +46 = +87
A clean miss.
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Quabu whispers, "Post on the board."
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Quabu whispers, "Anything else?"
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You quietly whisper to Quabu, "+8 runestave."

You quietly whisper to Quabu, "No it seems to have been a waste of time."

Quabu vanishes in a puff of smoke!
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Me 45 seconds later.
A giant rat tries to bite you!
AS: +34 vs DS: +58 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +44 = +54
A clean miss.


You put a wide-grained deringo runestaff in your forest green backpack.
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A giant rat tries to bite you!
AS: +34 vs DS: +64 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +3 = +7
A clean miss.

Ok so explain this to me Everything is as it should be what am i missing

PS. it now appears that players have the ability to make OFFICIAL posts about game mechanics.

[Mint]

I cannot offer any insight into the DS problem but the customer service seemed to be a bit lacking. I know very little about GH's or GM's but I do know that were I trying to get assistance in a store for instance and asked a question about an item in the store and the clerk told me to read about it and then left I would be a bit miffed.

well I would not have had issue if there was something posted about it, but there is nothing, so he told me to look, and there is nothing there.

[Mint]

Originally posted by The Edine
well I would not have had issue if there was something posted about it, but there is nothing, so he told me to look, and there is nothing there.

Yes and you told him that and he still left. Did you get a referral at least? Or whatever it is called.

[Bobmuhthol]

My empath has the same problem. Lower DS with a longsword than without.

But you're a whiny bitch.

no the log is full and unedited

[Bobmuhthol]

No it isn't. Half the time your commands echo, the other half they don't, and..

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You stand back up.
>magic
xxxxx swings a closed fist at you!
AS: +110 vs DS: +83 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +20 = +66
A clean miss.
>get rune
You remove a wide-grained deringo runestaff from in your forest green backpack.
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Makes no sense.

[Mint]

You quietly whisper to Quabu, "As I said i just read the posts by gm's in that folder and there is nothing relating to the topic at hand."
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Quabu whispers, "Well, then you miss a lot. Because if that the case and players report such issues then you are missing information."

I know this is not about your problem but I do wonder why Quabu felt the need to be insulting. Maybe put in for another assist if your absolutely sure there is nothing posted about it?

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by Mint]

yes I do not have a defender staff which is the only thing relating to the topic

[Nakiro]

I would write feedback, tell them about your experience, the lack of information, and your frusteration with the GH, and ask them to help resolve the issue.

Feedback is always a direct GM response.

what is the feedback email

[Mistomeer]

I would have thought that you were holding the wrong kind of staff. Your ranks look fine, but that's really a typical Simu response as they can't really tell you how to train or give you formulas. Information is vague at best on the Simu site with the best info buried in the boards somewhere. Just keep going and maybe it will work out. Runestaffs blow in general, IMHO.

[Nakiro]

You quietly whisper to Quabu, "Does your job consist entirely of appointing people to forum folders?"

[Nakiro]

By the way, my wizard friend Czarne has the same problem, except it only applies to him when he is in offense.

thats the problem it was right and i have the right kind of staff, not to mention im kinda pissed off at how he acted

[crazymage]

Quabu is a dumb shit anyway, when he was a host in training i harassed him so much a gm sent to me telling me to stop assisting for him or i'd get a warning.

[Kitsun]

DS now fluxes based upon what is being swung at you. Can you try the DS checks again. This time have swing a runestave or something instead of an open fist?

I have NO idea how the DS is calculated now but what I have noticed is that with certain smaller weapons or fighting styles that put you 'in close' with your opponent, your DS can go lower. Maybe there's a flat rate DS reduction for closed fists to compensate for terrible DF's. Who knows.

no my point is My DS is lower with a runestaff than it is with nothing, runestaves are supposed to be like shields +20 base? or something to that extent, and then whatever your ranks on top of it, it is obviously not the case here

[HarmNone]

I was able to find this, Edine:

1x OHE/Shield will probably get you better DS, however you will have more magic skills if you drop them and go all the way stave.

The gist of them is this: 8/9 (whatever the baseline is) magical skills per level will give you equivalent to two-handers parry DS. It's something screwy like that, do at the very least 11 magic skills per level to have any DS at all, I'd recommend 13 if you can do it. This means if you triple MIU, triple Harness, triple Spell Research, you get 9. If you 2x MIU, 2x Harness, 2x Arcane Symbols, 2x Spell Research, 2x Mana Control Elemental, you get 10.
-Anathemus

>Can they be used for defense in EITHER hand (left or right, my choice) or are they a particular hand only?<

Right hand only. You get no defense from a runestaff in the left hand.
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Also, here is a link for you that has some information in paragraphs 5 and 6. It may contain stuff you already know, but maybe it will help: http://www.geocities.com/ladynilandia/emergencyguide.htm

On the GameHost's customer service skills, I quite agree. However, there are great GameHosts, good GameHosts, mediocre GameHosts, and downright awful GameHosts. On top of that, there are a lot of things they are not allowed to give out much information on. While this one was probably towing the company line, he was not doing it very well, in my opinion. He came off just plain rude!

HarmNone

[Kitsun]

Runestaves are more akin to two-handed weapons with some properties of a shield. Directly comparing a runestaff to a shield is going to make a runestaff look terrible every time.

The DS garnered from a runestaff is based off the parry formula for two-handed weapons. The shielding effect of a runestaff is its ability to deflect all types of attacks.

As per the formula, the enchant of a runestaff doesn't directly translate to pure DS in offensive. You only seem to get about 1-2DS per enchant of the runestaff in offensive.

My numbers might be a bit off, I haven't bothered staring at my numbers in a while.

I realize that your saying your DS is dropping but thats why I suggested trying to get swung at by a larger weapon to see if there is a DS pushdown from brawling type attacks.

[HarmNone]

Ack. I missed one of your posts, Edine. The feedback address used to be feedback@simutronics.com. I doubt that it has changed. :)

HarmNone

[Nakiro]

It hasn't.

[SpunGirl]

I don't lilke his attitude, Edine. My suggestion to you, after you get the info you need, would be to write a constructively critical letter to feedback regarding your interaction. I've assisted maybe ten times in the three years I've played, and the ONLY time I felt shafted or treated rudely was by that particular GH.

-K

[FinisWolf]

I am sorry you went through that with that jerk. I have dealt with Quabu on about 10 too many occasions, if you can help it avoid him. What I do know, is if he assists me request, I tell him I have to go and start back over in the que. I would rather do that, then deal with him, not too mention that I think he doesn't have a single braincell in his head.

[Trinitis]

I'll admit, the "check the boards" answer is the most frustrating answer a GH can give me. I dislike 90% of the offical boards, and I'm assiting for a REASON. The docs say the GM's and GH's are there for our assistance, thats why they have CS GM's. I personally feel, if I wait for an hour or more of MY life to ask them a question, they can at least answer it fairly.

-Adredrin

I had this happen with the orb I found. GH said there was more too it. I tested everything possible, had it sung too, had other people play with it. All told, it was just a broken item that made a REALLY powerful spell, tottally useless.

[Warriorbird]

Honestly? I'd have requested a GM or a different GH. If someone's not doing anything for you, get someone else.

[Scott]

Where's Edge when you need him to out his PC!

i did warrior bird, he said he was doing a fine job and the info i was getting from him "look at the boards" was from a GM

[Galleazzo]

You know what the frigging problem is, it isn't the GH's, it's this fucked up policy that they won't tell your formulas or shit. How your stuff works ought not be a fucking game puzzle all the time! The only way they should be saying "read the forums" is questions about how to train best.

[Meos]

rune staffs are a pain in the ass, I disagree with how they implimented them..... the whole fact that it hurts your DS in offensive just plain stupid to me.... I get a -2 from a +20 runestaff when I'm in offensive against a weapon. Fists are strange don't ask me how that works, but it's a whole nother world of DS formulas. I wish I got one of those defenders staffs though, my lady friend got an orase one and when I see it I get jealous... but even with that, it's a +3 yippie dippie do.


so sayin that, someone sell me a 10X db item cheap :whine: like 15 mil


[Edited on 3-8-2004 by Meos]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by FinisWolf
I am sorry you went through that with that jerk. I have dealt with Quabu on about 10 too many occasions, if you can help it avoid him. What I do know, is if he assists me request, I tell him I have to go and start back over in the que. I would rather do that, then deal with him, not too mention that I think he doesn't have a single braincell in his head.

If you have assisted and Quabu answered you 10 times.. then you are doing something wrong.

Either you are one of those that assist over every little thing that doesn't go your way.. or you have no idea that there is an official message board where you can learn how to play the game.

God.. talk about high maintenance.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
You know what the frigging problem is, it isn't the GH's, it's this fucked up policy that they won't tell your formulas or shit. How your stuff works ought not be a fucking game puzzle all the time! The only way they should be saying "read the forums" is questions about how to train best.

You know what the friggen real problem is? It's that people expect you to hold their hands through a game and tell them exactly how everything works.

Waaa.

Take the time to figure it out and stop relying on others to help you.

I think I've assisted twice in the time I have played. Maybe three times.

[Warriorbird]

:shrugs: I kinda side with Edine here, Park.

There are some ignorant GMs as well as GH's. You always have the right to demand a referral. I had some trouble with board moderation on the official boards a while back and just pushed and pushed until I got to someone who solved my problem really admirably.

Plus I know VERY well trained people who aren't getting the right runestaff DS.

[Edited on 3-8-2004 by Warriorbird]

[Praefection]

If people don't complain, how will they learn something is broken. I've had to assist maybe... two or three times at the most and they were for superficial things. And I agree one hundred percent with that others have mentioned about formulas and such. It drives me nuts when everything is so "hush-hush", company secret so we can't talk about. Read the boards. Right.

I have yet to hear back from feed back... three days later

[TheInstigator]

Originally posted by The Edine
no my point is My DS is lower with a runestaff than it is with nothing, runestaves are supposed to be like shields +20 base? or something to that extent, and then whatever your ranks on top of it, it is obviously not the case here I have the same fucking problem with my runetaff, its lowered my DS when I switched to training in it from using a shield/brawling. Now, Im screwed cause I gotta wait to switch it back over. My DS is so bad Im fucking under hunting now.

Runstaves suck, thats my general feeling on them as of now.

well the problem is with my wizard he never used anything but, yet he is better off defending with open hands than with the runestaff

[SpunGirl]

Sorry, Parkbandit, but only assisting twice in the time you have played doesn't make you somehow smarter or more able to play the game by yourself.

I have assisted over a broken alteration scroll (nothing I could do myself there), wedding questions ($200 for a wedding entitles me to an assist, I should say), a tapestry I bought that never showed up in my home, the time I got ported back to the Landing when exiting a tent at the Ale Fest in Zul Logoth, and a lost premium pet. None of these things are issues I could have worked out on my own or by reading up a little more.

Granted, I have also assisted over something stupid once - I thought I logged out in Solhaven and I showed up in the Landing. I got confused and maybe thought there was a bug, and as it turns out, I was wrong. My fault.

The point is that not all people who have assists every few months can't figure things out or are looking for someone to hold their hand.

-K

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
You always have the right to demand That just tickled me for some reason.

My experiences with GH/GM's usually suck, mostly because a lot of them happened when I was (I'm sorry to say) an arrogant middle school punk. Since graduating middle school, I've had a good experience with a GM and a crappy one with a GH.

[SpunGirl]

That made me laugh, Latrinsorm.

My experiences, save for the one time, have always been good. Simu's staff sometimes gets a bad rap from people like Klaive who complain about Stealth, or people like Garr who complain about getting killed for taunting a GM.

Or hey... people like The Sponge who lie.

-K

[Rogue Slayer]

Originally posted by The Edine
well the problem is with my wizard he never used anything but, yet he is better off defending with open hands than with the runestaff


odd.. i never really checked but i did notice that using a 0x runestaff and a 4x runstaff provided no additional DS in offense for me. so whats the big deal about the enchantments?