Spell Hindrance?!

[Danical]

How exactly does spell hindrance work when you aren't fully trained for the armor?

I know it's not simply an AU rank:%hindrance ratio.

Let's say I wanted to wear armor that had 21% failure. It would require 310 AU Ranks to bring it down to 21%. What if I only have 202 ranks? What about 252?

[Asrial]

I might have notes on this and I'll get back to you about it later (heading out for the moment).

I do know that you lower your hindrance as you get more ranks. It's not a threshold system.

[Stunseed]

You do lower your hinderance while getting closer.

I faintly remember while getting to 110 ranks of AU for hauberk, at some point just for kicks I tried on a set and had 16% hinderance for the Ranger circle.

[TheLastShamurai]

If you were wearing AsG 17, 18 or 19 without the 310 AU to bring the hindrance down to 21%, you would have more than 21% but less than 94% {which is the max hindrance for half-plate}.

I'm not sure how much hindrance you would have for how much AU, but the forward formulas are here...

http://www.play.net/gs4/info/armory/armor.asp

I'm not much for math, so I'm not sure if you can reverse engineer them.

[Danical]

If you were wearing AsG 17, 18 or 19 without the 310 AU to bring the hindrance down to 21%, you would have more than 21% but less than 94% {which is the max hindrance for half-plate}.

I'm not sure how much hindrance you would have for how much AU, but the forward formulas are here...

http://www.play.net/gs4/info/armory/armor.asp

I'm not much for math, so I'm not sure if you can reverse engineer them.

I know all that. As stated in the OP, I want to know what formula they're using because it seems all kinds of weird.

[Latrinsorm]

I tried to figure it out once, and it is very weird. Here's the data I have:


total req 2 6 10 15 20 27
ranks% 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
0 2 5 11 18
1 2 5 10 17
2 1 4 9 16
3 4 9 15
4 3 8 14 23
5 7 13 22
6 2 6 12 20
7 6 11 19
8 5 10 18 27 39
9 4 9 17 26 37
10 3 8 15 24 35
11 8 14 23 34
12 7 13 22 33
13
14
15 4
16 9 17 27 39
17 8 16 26 37
18 7 15 24 36
19 6 14 23 34
20 5


Enjoy! :D

[TheLastShamurai]

Doesn't matter, he'll never wear half-pate! Neeeeevvvvvaaaaarrrrrr!

;)

[Latrinsorm]

Alright, you got me interested.

It looks like that as you get closer to the ranks required, you get closer to exactly 1% per rank. There is also a base hindrance effect that goes as follows: the higher the base hindrance, the higher the % per rank one gains in the ppr <> 1 regime. By this reasoning, you'll be SOL with 202 ranks and in the 80s at best with 252 ranks.

If someone could try Paladin spells in AsG 12-13 with 0 ranks, that would be super.

[Latrinsorm]

I can't believe how idiotic that was. Analysis should be done by bonus, not ranks. Argh. A moment.

[Latrinsorm]

Ok:

Each base hindrance is increased by (.05*base hindrance) per point of bonus away from the required amount (determined in the usual way). I feel ok about this, there are still a few kinks to work out.

Therefore, you would have 134% (max value IG) hindrance with 202 ranks and 82% with 252.

[Danical]

Well fuck. I won't be able to do what I wanted.

Thanks for the work though!