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Suppa Hobbit Mage
08-21-2009, 09:13 AM
I have a hard time distinguishing gender with this person myself.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1207653/Womens-800m-gold-medal-favourite-Caster-Semenya-takes-gender-test-hours-World-Championship-race.html

A female runner accused of being a man tonight took gold in the 800m World Athletics Championship.
South African Caster Semenya, 18, had to take a gender test after doubts were raised about her sex.
But despite the furore, she easily took gold in the final in Berlin.

The teenage sensation has sparked controversy over her strikingly muscular physique.
Today officials at the world athletics body, the IAAF, revealed that it ordered her to take a gender test three weeks ago.

IAAF spokesman Nick Davies confirmed the tests were taking place, though he said the results would not be confirmed for several weeks.
Until the results are confirmed, there was nothing to prevent Semenya from competing in tonight's final, he said.
He added: 'At this moment in time we do not have any evidence to stop her running.'
South African athletics chiefs furiously denied the claims and stated Semenya was definitely female.
Molatelo Malehopo, general manager of Athletics South Africa, said: 'She is a female. We are completely sure about that and we wouldn't have entered her into the female competition if we had any doubts.
'We have not been absent-minded, we are very sure of her gender. We are aware of the claims that have been made but our aim at the moment is to prepare Caster for the race this evening.'
Semenya was ordered to take the test after raising suspicion during an incredible performance at a junior championship.
The teenager, from Polokwane in South Africa's Limpopo province, burst onto the running scene at last month's African Junior Championship in Mauritius where she clocked 1:56.72 in the 800 metres.

The time was the best recorded in the world so far this year by more than a second.

Mr Davies revealed that Semenya's astoundingly quick performance prompted suspicions over her gender.
Experts were concerned over the way she runs and urged the South African athletics body to test her.
A group of doctors, including an endocrinologist, a gynaecologist, an internal medicine expert, an expert on gender and a psychologist, have started the procedure but it is uncertain when the results will be known.
Enlarge Semenya, right, is literally flying, both feet off the ground, as she crosses the finish line ahead of Jennifer Meadows (L) of Britain during the semi final on Monday night

The complex process could take several weeks to be complete.

'It would be wrong today to take a decision to withdraw an athlete,' said Mr Davies.
He added that Semenya is not being accused of cheating, and emphasised the test is not compulsory.

'This is a medical condition,' he said. 'It is nothing that she has done. There is a need to make sure rules are followed.
'We are more concerned for the person and not to make this as something that is humiliating.'
Pending the results of the test, Semenya could be disqualified from the event.

Semenya was today warming up for the final, which will see her competing against British hopes Marilyn Okoro and Jennifer Meadows.
Enlarge http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/19/article-1207653-061372CC000005DC-981_468x366.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/19/article-1207653-061372CC000005DC-981_468x366_popup.jpg)On Sunday, Semenya nearly met with disaster as she was forced to jump over fallen Janeth Jepkosgei Busienei of Kenya during the 800m first heat


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/19/article-1207653-06138704000005DC-688_468x502.jpg Caster recovers after the heat on Sunday night

Meanwhile, the teenager's coach told South African media she was aware of the controversy surrounding her.

Michael Seme told South Africa's News24 website: 'We understand that people will ask questions because she looks like a man. It's a natural reaction and it's only human to be curious.

'People probably have the right to ask such questions if they are in doubt.
'But I can give you the telephone numbers of her room-mates in Berlin. They have already seen she has nothing to hide.'

Gender testing was introduced at the 1966 European Track and Field Championships and first used at the Olympics during the 1968 Mexico City games.
International Olympic Committee regulations require all athletes to compete under their gender at birth.
Enlarge http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/19/article-1207653-01B2E0FA00000578-945_468x356.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/19/article-1207653-01B2E0FA00000578-945_468x356_popup.jpg)Not first: Dora Ratjen of Vienna, jumping 1metre 70 in 1938 to break the women's high jump world record. Dora was later proven to be a man, Hermann Ratjen

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/19/article-1207653-061C519A000005DC-670_233x343.jpg Meanwhile Polish athlete Ewa Klobukowska was revealed to be a man in 1967

However, experts fear Semenya, who has competed internationally throughout her teens, should be tested to check whether she might suffer from from a rare condition in which individuals can exhibit both male and female chromosomes.
A source said: 'In a few rare individuals there is a grey area between male and female. It's possible that she falls into this bracket.
'The gender verification process takes weeks as it is extremely complex.
'If there were ever any suspicions regarding this girl, tests should have been done at the earliest opportunity to save her any embarrassment.'
If Semenya was proven to be a male she would be the latest in a string of gender fraud cases in international athletics.
One of the most famous cases saw female German athlete Dora Ratjen revealed as a man named Hermann following high jump success at the 1936 Berlin Olympics and the 1938 European Championships.
The athlete later claimed he had been forced to disguise himself as a female by the Nazi government.
The first athlete to be caught after the gender tests were introduced was Polish runner Ewa Klobukowska, who took gold in the women's 4 x 100 metres relay and bronze in the 100 metres at the 1964 Summer Games in Tokyo.
She was later unmasked as a he after failing a chromosome test in 1967.
South African athletics fans today expressed their anger at the claims about Semenya's gender.
Dozens posted comments on newspaper websites, with some claiming the speculation was racially motivated.
One commenter, who did not leave their name, wrote: 'It just disappoints me every time that a good South African athlete comes around, there always seem to be questions.
'She looks manly, of course, but is she the only athlete who looks manly? I don't think so. Just because she has facial hair means absolutely nothing. Would they have tested her if she wasn't African?'
Another, 'Norman', added: 'What bull man! Our Caster is a woman, these European people cannot handle the fact that an African can actually be a champion in something and will always try to bring us down.'

AnticorRifling
08-21-2009, 09:22 AM
Racially motivated rofl. No she looks like a dude that's pretty much it.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
08-21-2009, 09:53 AM
I do wonder what they'll do if it turns out she has the extra chromosome and gender ambiguity. Most times parents get an immediate surgery to 'fix' it and hope it fits the child's personality but it's not really her fault if she has the extra chromosome.. it's not like they have a special category for that 'gender'.

Gan
08-21-2009, 09:55 AM
I'm voting XXY as well. ;)

Parkbandit
08-21-2009, 10:26 AM
She's a girl... with a 4" clit.

AnticorRifling
08-21-2009, 10:40 AM
I saw a porno with China and that's about right PB.

ElvenFury
08-21-2009, 10:56 AM
I like how in over a century of all international sports, 3 cases constitutes a "string". One or two more and we might have an epidemic!

Mighty Nikkisaurus
08-21-2009, 11:13 AM
I really do want to know what they'll do about extra chromosomes. Because that doesn't make her a man, technically. She just won't be technically entirely a woman, too.. and there aren't enough people with it to make it a totally separate category. It doesn't seem fair to her to bar her entirely if that's the case because it wouldn't be like she hid her 'real gender' or tried to dupe anyone.

Tsa`ah
08-21-2009, 11:21 AM
I really do want to know what they'll do about extra chromosomes.

Nothing if she's been female since birth.

Kuyuk
08-21-2009, 11:27 AM
http://catmas.com/images/2007/07/its-a-trap.jpg

Drisco
08-21-2009, 11:27 AM
How embarrassing for her! They don't believe she's a women. Better yet they broadcasted it all around the world.

Parkbandit
08-21-2009, 11:34 AM
I saw a porno with China and that's about right PB.

FUCKING GOOGLE!

I didn't know what you meant.. until I googled it.

Safe search can save your lunch.........

Tsa`ah
08-21-2009, 11:35 AM
How embarrassing for her! They don't believe she's a women. Better yet they broadcasted it all around the world.

I feel bad for her, I feel embarrassed for news anchors that just don't understand the need for a medical evaluation.

Even more for the misconception about having a Y chromosome mixed with a pair of Xs.

Methais
08-21-2009, 11:38 AM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/19/article-1207653-0613853E000005DC-238_233x659.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTb1ia5esMA

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/reddaisy6/LamarParty.jpg

AnticorRifling
08-21-2009, 11:41 AM
FUCKING GOOGLE!

I didn't know what you meant.. until I googled it.

Safe search can save your lunch......... HAHAHAHAHA YES!

Parkbandit
08-21-2009, 11:43 AM
HAHAHAHAHA YES!


It's almost as bad as getting Goatse'd or Rickrolled....

A-Hole.

AnticorRifling
08-21-2009, 11:44 AM
It's not my fault she abused the shit out of deca.

Methais
08-21-2009, 11:44 AM
Chyna's penoris ftl. :puke:

I saw almost the whole flick a while back (well just kinda skipped through it since it was the worst porn ever, even if Chyna didn't have a mini-cock) and it left me scars that only things along the magnitude of goatse and tubgirl can leave.

Then I googled a pic to scar my friend with it, and I found an even bigger penoris on some random unrelated picture. It was fucking huge, and fat. Like if John Holmes were born a woman or something. :puke:

:puke:
:puke:

EDIT: wtf is deca?

Mighty Nikkisaurus
08-21-2009, 11:45 AM
HAHAHAHAHA YES!

Fuckfuckfuckfuck wtf.

WTF.

WHAT IS THAT?

AnticorRifling
08-21-2009, 11:48 AM
EDIT: wtf is deca? Deca durabolin. A type of steroid. One of the side effects of steriods in women can be a pronounced clit. Sure it makes it look weird but from what I've read it also makes it ultra sensative and just walking around with underwear on could cause orgasm.

Parkbandit
08-21-2009, 11:51 AM
Deca durabolin. A type of steroid. One of the side effects of steriods in women can be a pronounced clit. Sure it makes it look weird but from what I've read it also makes it ultra sensative and just walking around with underwear on could cause orgasm.

I don't think that was caused by steroids... it wasn't just pronounced.. it was a tiny penis. Hell, I couldn't look at it too long, but I think she got it circumcised!

AnticorRifling
08-21-2009, 11:54 AM
HAHA it might be, who knows. I haven't seen that video in years but you just can't unsee some things.

Kuyuk
08-21-2009, 12:02 PM
Wow.

I wonder if the guy in the porn is bi...


K.

Tisket
08-21-2009, 12:21 PM
How embarrassing for her! They don't believe she's a women. Better yet they broadcasted it all around the world.

I think she is a woman. Oh she looks like a man for sure but the fact that she makes no attempt to feminize (is that even a word?) her look makes me think she really has nothing to hide. If she'd grow her hair out and pluck her eyebrows maybe the issue wouldn't have even come up.

Methais
08-21-2009, 12:24 PM
Wow.

I wonder if the guy in the porn is bi...


K.

I dunno, but he sure sucked balls as a wrestler.

He went from this (which sucks):
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/fishbulb-suplex/Wrestlers/X-Pac/123_Kid_Sean_Waltman_02.jpg

To this (which sucks even more):
http://i41.tinypic.com/1dys7r.jpg

Most of the "heel heat" he'd generate from the crowd wasn't heel heat at all. It was the crowd seriously telling him to stop being a wrestler because he failed so much.

Need more proof? This was his finisher:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmeeh_rioK4

Kuyuk
08-21-2009, 12:29 PM
wow methias... you did your homework.

ahaha @ the two pics. did he just teabag the other guy??

Methais
08-21-2009, 12:48 PM
wow methias... you did your homework.

ahaha @ the two pics. did he just teabag the other guy??

I used to be glued to WWF back in the 80s up until it started seriously sucking old cunt shortly after they bought WCW in 2000 or whenever it was.

And yeah that's pretty much a power-teabag. Looks like it'd hurt his nuts more than it'd hurt the other guy.

Either way he fails, and on a lesser scale, I fail for possessing this useless knowledge.

Sean of the Thread
08-21-2009, 02:15 PM
I do wonder what they'll do if it turns out she has the extra chromosome and gender ambiguity. Most times parents get an immediate surgery to 'fix' it and hope it fits the child's personality but it's not really her fault if she has the extra chromosome.. it's not like they have a special category for that 'gender'.


I can think of one set of parents that that made the right choice

http://bestworstthings.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/jamie-lee.jpg

Sean of the Thread
08-21-2009, 02:21 PM
I dunno, but he sure sucked balls as a wrestler.

He went from this (which sucks):
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/fishbulb-suplex/Wrestlers/X-Pac/123_Kid_Sean_Waltman_02.jpg

To this (which sucks even more):
http://i41.tinypic.com/1dys7r.jpg

Most of the "heel heat" he'd generate from the crowd wasn't heel heat at all. It was the crowd seriously telling him to stop being a wrestler because he failed so much.

Need more proof? This was his finisher:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmeeh_rioK4

That bitch could sure do some some aerobatics back in the day. I saw him at some event here where he fucked up and landed on on his neck from the top rope after like 7 flips.

Methais
08-21-2009, 02:27 PM
That bitch could sure do some some aerobatics back in the day. I saw him at some event here where he fucked up and landed on on his neck from the top rope after like 7 flips.

Yeah he could do all sorts of flips and stuff. But he was still a tool and one of the worst heels (and not in the love-to-hate way) ever. He's apparently a punk irl too. He even showed up on The Surreal Life once trying to act all thuggish when Chyna was on it and Peter Brady almost had to kick his ass. :lol:


I can think of one set of parents that that made the right choice

http://bestworstthings.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/jamie-lee.jpg

If only she would ever get a decent haircut.

Deathravin
08-21-2009, 02:34 PM
I really do want to know what they'll do about extra chromosomes. Because that doesn't make her a man, technically. She just won't be technically entirely a woman, too.. and there aren't enough people with it to make it a totally separate category. It doesn't seem fair to her to bar her entirely if that's the case because it wouldn't be like she hid her 'real gender' or tried to dupe anyone.

We'll just have to have a few more categories of each event:

Mens 100 meter dash
Womens 100 meter dash
XXX 100 meter dash (a.k.a. super-women -China)
XXY 100 meter dash (is this a hermaphradite?)
Women who used to be Men 100 meter dash
Men who used to be Women 100 meter dash

Might as well toss in:
Mens, no drug testing 100 meter dash
Womens, no drug testing 100 meter dash

Sean of the Thread
08-21-2009, 02:37 PM
Peter Brady is one ripped bitch evidently.


*Like to add that when Hogan went heel I never watched wrestling again unless I was at the Winghouse where they air ppv for free on accident.

Tisket
08-25-2009, 12:34 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8219937.stm


New twist in Semenya gender saga

By Gordon Farquhar
BBC sports news correspondent

Tests have revealed Caster Semenya's testosterone level to be three times higher than those normally expected in a female sample, BBC Sport understands.

Analysis prior to the World Athletics Championships and the 18-year-old's big improvement prompted calls for a gender test from the sport's governing body.

It was made public only hours before the South African, who has been backed by her nation, won the 800m in Berlin.

A high level of the hormone does not always equate to a failed drugs test.

Celephais
08-25-2009, 12:53 PM
It's a MAN!
http://www.lazydork.com/movies/ladybugs.jpg

Mighty Nikkisaurus
08-25-2009, 01:19 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8219937.stm

Hm.
She could have PCOS. That causes an over-production of testosterone which can lead to being more hairy, different muscular structure, etc.

Lord Paco
08-25-2009, 01:23 PM
Look, easy answer. If shes fast enough to race with men, then put her on the track with men. Problem solved.

Tisket
08-25-2009, 01:31 PM
Look, easy answer. If shes fast enough to race with men, then put her on the track with men. Problem solved.

And slow men should race with women. Sounds reasonable.

Tisket
08-25-2009, 01:34 PM
Look, easy answer. If shes fast enough to race with men, then put her on the track with men. Problem solved.

Wow, how'd you manage to get so many red squares? Oh right, nevermind.

The Ponzzz
08-25-2009, 03:22 PM
And slow men should race with women. Sounds reasonable.

I'm down.

Latrinsorm
08-25-2009, 05:38 PM
Women are slower than men for biological reasons, including but not limited to biomechanically inefficient (aka child-bearin') hips. I doubt very much these were the original reasoning behind the segregation of men and women, but they could make for a useful objective metric.

Ashlander
08-25-2009, 10:16 PM
I'm down.

Why do I suddenly picture Cartman in the Special Olympics?

Androidpk
08-25-2009, 10:29 PM
Why not just see if there is a penis or not?

Belnia
08-25-2009, 10:58 PM
Women are slower than men for biological reasons, including but not limited to biomechanically inefficient (aka child-bearin') hips. I doubt very much these were the original reasoning behind the segregation of men and women, but they could make for a useful objective metric.

So men with wide child bearing hips should be able to race in the women's events?

Latrinsorm
08-26-2009, 12:28 AM
They should be shot on sight.

Yeah, if someone comes up with a way to accurately measure wideness of hips. Why did you guys think women's records are slower at every distance?

radamanthys
08-26-2009, 12:35 AM
They should be shot on sight.

Yeah, if someone comes up with a way to accurately measure wideness of hips. Why did you guys think women's records are slower at every distance?

My high school 400m time would have been an all-time top 5 record if I were a chick. I wear 30 waist jeans. It's gotta correlate.

Celephais
08-26-2009, 10:07 AM
Why did you guys think women's records are slower at every distance?
Because running on linoleum, it's hard to get traction.

Nieninque
08-26-2009, 12:18 PM
ROFL

Tsa`ah
08-26-2009, 12:34 PM
Why not just see if there is a penis or not?

Because believe it or not, it's just not that cut and dry in modern society.

diethx
08-26-2009, 04:42 PM
Because running on linoleum, it's hard to get traction.

Man, that was awesome. <3

Some Rogue
09-11-2009, 10:36 AM
Balls! (http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news;_ylt=AtQTCRPTtR3Z2SzKSvW.PMTNycIF?slug=ap-semenya-gendertest&prov=ap&type=lgns)


...
Now, reports on Friday that the testing has determined she has male and female sexual organs have triggered outrage in South Africa (http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/rsa/;_ylt=ArRRhhjPtwDgXvyN86ec47BAyMIF) and dealt a blow to her family, who may have been unaware of their child’s reported condition. And, foremost, there is worry about how the 18-year-old will handle all this.


Newspaper reports from Australia (http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/aus/;_ylt=Ap1jo3houiNxSQThr8ooVlhAyMIF) said testing determined Caster Semenya has internal testes, meaning the runner herself may have been unaware of such a condition.

...

Parkbandit
09-11-2009, 10:41 AM
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/austin-powers-3.jpg

TheEschaton
09-11-2009, 01:27 PM
There's some sensitive questions that need answering here. If she's lived her whole life as a woman, and has identified herself as a woman, should the IOC be able to tell her she's a man and ineligible to compete as a woman?

Nieninque
09-11-2009, 01:33 PM
The IOC have been complete cunts through all this. They should not have done this through the media. Regardless of the need for testing, this has been garbage.

Parkbandit
09-11-2009, 01:38 PM
The question is.. does she have an unfair advantage over the other women running? Obviously, she does... it's why we don't race guys vs. girls... guys are able to build muscle better than women.. making them faster.

Liagala
09-11-2009, 01:39 PM
There's some sensitive questions that need answering here. If she's lived her whole life as a woman, and has identified herself as a woman, should the IOC be able to tell her she's a man and ineligible to compete as a woman?

No, but I think they're well within their rights to tell her that she's a woman whose body chemistry unfortunately gives her an abnormally large and unfair advantage against other women. They can say that through no fault of her own, they have to ban her from future competition against other women.

In her place, knowing that her advantage is due to that rather than training, I wouldn't want to compete against other women anyway. Where's the sense of accomplishment when you're practically guaranteed to win?

Mighty Nikkisaurus
09-11-2009, 01:43 PM
While I think they're within their right to keep her from competing against other women, I feel really bad for her. I also think the way this whole thing was handled was pretty horrible.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
09-11-2009, 03:27 PM
Can you imagine if she was an ex-girlfriend of yours...

Monsoon
09-11-2009, 03:30 PM
Can you imagine if she was an ex-girlfriend of yours...
So you can imagine her having been your girlfriend?

Parkbandit
09-11-2009, 03:35 PM
Can you imagine if she was an ex-girlfriend of yours...

"Holy shit, you have like 3 g-spots!"

:puke:

Numbers
09-11-2009, 07:35 PM
Wasn't there an episode of House about this? Except instead of an athlete, the chick was a model that was banging her father?

ElvenFury
09-11-2009, 07:53 PM
Wasn't there an episode of House about this? Except instead of an athlete, the chick was a model that was banging her father?

Yes. House also mocked the father about being gay after the truth was revealed. Great episode.

Belnia
09-11-2009, 09:02 PM
That sucks for her. And I bet the IOC won't let her compete in the men's events either.

waywardgs
09-11-2009, 09:17 PM
Any word on the GLBT community's response to this? I'd be interested to hear their stance.

Monsoon
09-11-2009, 09:18 PM
Any word on the GLDT community's response to this? I'd be interested to hear their stance.
What's the "D" stand for? :D

RichardCranium
09-11-2009, 09:56 PM
What's the "D" stand for? :D

Douche.

waywardgs
09-11-2009, 10:55 PM
What's the "D" stand for? :D
It stands for "damn I need to edit."

4a6c1
09-12-2009, 01:10 AM
Any word on the GLBT community's response to this? I'd be interested to hear their stance.

I have been retained to assert an official response to your question and it is: "She is not one of us. Try the X-Men".