View Full Version : Yasser Arafat dead
Parkbandit
11-04-2004, 12:10 PM
Man.. this week just keeps on producing great news.
StrayRogue
11-04-2004, 12:11 PM
Not if you happen to like a safe world nor the persecution of a particular race of people. Then its been a shit week.
Betheny
11-04-2004, 12:14 PM
That's awful.
Do they know what happened?
According to CNN he hasn't been confirmed dead. Who knows.
Arafat made the Palestine cause known. He was also a recipient of The Nobel Peace Prize.
Officials deny he is dead.
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1099565950494_3?hub=topstories
Parkbandit
11-04-2004, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by StrayRogue
Not if you happen to like a safe world nor the persecution of a particular race of people. Then its been a shit week.
If I actually believed that Arafat wanted peace and didn't have a hand in the terrorism network.. then I wouldn't have posted this. Since that was not the case..
StrayRogue
11-04-2004, 12:21 PM
Well some people don't happen to believe that Israel is the haven of God loving, peaceful folk. But don't take my word for it, go on holiday in Gaza.
Betheny
11-04-2004, 12:23 PM
They wouldn't have given him a fucking peace prize if he was a terrorist.
Go pick on Castro.
Wezas
11-04-2004, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Maimara
They wouldn't have given him a fucking peace prize if he was a terrorist.
Go pick on Castro.
Or Bush. :saint:
Mistomeer
11-04-2004, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Maimara
They wouldn't have given him a fucking peace prize if he was a terrorist.
Go pick on Castro.
Right...
Arafat's history as a terrorist is well-known and well-documented.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Arafat+Terrorist&btnG=Google+Search
Hulkein
11-04-2004, 12:32 PM
Arafat was most certainly a terrorist.
Wezas
11-04-2004, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Mistomeer
Right...
Arafat's history as a terrorist is well-known and well-documented.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Arafat+Terrorist&btnG=Google+Search
LMAO
1st & 2nd google result:
Aim.org's links:
http://www.aim.org/links_main
Conservative Columnists, Conservative Organizations, Conservative Mall (under "Shopping).
3rd Google result:
Some kind of foreign/islamic site. No clue of the Bias/slant.
4th Google result:
Fox News. Which is only slightly more reliable then Drudge.
5th Google result:
Another foreign site with the same exact story as #3
6th result:
CNN Story about how Sharon is calling Arafat a terrorist.
Mind giving us an actual resource?
His past is deeply rooted in terrorism and since he eventually emerged as the Palestinian leader of the Arabs he tried, to some degree, to appear to be breaking ties with the PLO. I don't think many saw this as a success as terrorist attacks continued even without him being a primary structure in the PLO. But saying he is a terrorist at the latter stage in his life is like saying Ariel Sharon is a man of peace even now.
Most of the websites that do paint him in the light of terrorism even now are heavily biased as they appear to be Isreali operated websites.
Suppa Hobbit Mage
11-04-2004, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Wezas
Originally posted by Maimara
They wouldn't have given him a fucking peace prize if he was a terrorist.
Go pick on Castro.
Or Bush. :saint:
Sore loser.
Nieninque
11-04-2004, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Man.. this week just keeps on producing great news.
Just need Bush, Blair and Sharon to follow suit and we're laughing :)
Originally posted by Mistomeer
Originally posted by Maimara
They wouldn't have given him a fucking peace prize if he was a terrorist.
Go pick on Castro.
Right...
Arafat's history as a terrorist is well-known and well-documented.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Arafat+Terrorist&btnG=Google+Search
One man's terrorist is another man's Freedom fighter. George Washington was considered a terrorist by Britain and Nelson Mandala was considered a terrorist by the South African Gov't
Mistomeer
11-04-2004, 01:46 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/03/14/usat-brigades.htm
Washington Post article describing a negotiation for the PLO to curb terrorist attacks against Americans:
http://www.davidignatius.com/journalismAgents.html
From a Time Magazine Article, "Then came the added horror. It was not just the usual suspect, the radical Islamic group Hamas, that took responsibility for the outrage. Also claiming a part was the Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, an underground militia associated with Yasser Arafat. That would be the same Yasser Arafat that Israel was supposed to count on to rein in Palestinian terrorists."
Of course it's easiest to find Jewish news organizations calling him a terrorist, but there's plenty of legitimate sources that do the same.
More than that, just look at the things that the PLO, Fatah and Al Aqsa have been responsible for.
Mistomeer
11-04-2004, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Mistomeer
Originally posted by Maimara
They wouldn't have given him a fucking peace prize if he was a terrorist.
Go pick on Castro.
Right...
Arafat's history as a terrorist is well-known and well-documented.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Arafat+Terrorist&btnG=Google+Search
One man's terrorist is another man's Freedom fighter. George Washington was considered a terrorist by Britain and Nelson Mandala was considered a terrorist by the South African Gov't
I'm not sure George used the Army he controlled to kill citizens in cafes, on the street shopping, and in bars. I think the line gets drawn when the attacks are primarily focused on citizens.
Latrinsorm
11-04-2004, 01:51 PM
The Rape of Fair Belgium is a much better example of subjective brutality/barbarism than George Washington (the guy didn't even have real teeth, c'mon!).
longshot
11-04-2004, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Nieninque
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Man.. this week just keeps on producing great news.
Just need Bush, Blair and Sharon to follow suit and we're laughing :)
You want Sharon to kick the bucket?
Have you heard of Netanyahu?
He makes Sharon look like Howard Dean...
Parkbandit
11-04-2004, 02:34 PM
Fuck.. it's been reported that he is still alive.. and that makes me sad. :(
Just die already.
Originally posted by Latrinsorm
The Rape of Fair Belgium is a much better example of subjective brutality/barbarism than George Washington (the guy didn't even have real teeth, c'mon!).
They were wooden lol
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Fuck.. it's been reported that he is still alive.. and that makes me sad. :(
Just die already.
Long live Arafat may Allah be praised
Originally posted by longshot
Originally posted by Nieninque
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Man.. this week just keeps on producing great news.
Just need Bush, Blair and Sharon to follow suit and we're laughing :)
You want Sharon to kick the bucket?
Have you heard of Netanyahu?
He makes Sharon look like Howard Dean...
Sharon depite his faults is better then Netanyahu. I think the problem with Sharon is that he is an ex Army General who fought Arafat when the he headed the PLO in the 80's. Old grudges die hard, of course it cuts both ways.
[Edited on 11-4-2004 by xtc]
Parkbandit
11-04-2004, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Fuck.. it's been reported that he is still alive.. and that makes me sad. :(
Just die already.
Long live Arafat may Allah be praised
:sniffle:
Originally posted by Mistomeer
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/03/14/usat-brigades.htm
Washington Post article describing a negotiation for the PLO to curb terrorist attacks against Americans:
http://www.davidignatius.com/journalismAgents.html
From a Time Magazine Article, "Then came the added horror. It was not just the usual suspect, the radical Islamic group Hamas, that took responsibility for the outrage. Also claiming a part was the Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, an underground militia associated with Yasser Arafat. That would be the same Yasser Arafat that Israel was supposed to count on to rein in Palestinian terrorists."
Of course it's easiest to find Jewish news organizations calling him a terrorist, but there's plenty of legitimate sources that do the same.
More than that, just look at the things that the PLO, Fatah and Al Aqsa have been responsible for.
Israel kills with Tanks the Palestinians with bombs. Why is using tanks any less of terrorism?
He dead yet? I can't seem to find a reliable news source.
Tsa`ah
11-04-2004, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Sharon depite his faults is better then Netanyahu. I think the problem with Sharon is that he is an ex Army General who fought Arafat when the he headed the PLO in the 80's. Old grudges die hard, of course it cuts both ways.
It goes back further than that. I suggest you bone up on some history.
Sharon and Arafat are both racist fuck stains that need to be wiped off the ass crack of the middle east.
Arafat is doing his part, Sharon should feel obligated to do his now.
Tsa`ah
11-04-2004, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Israel kills with Tanks the Palestinians with bombs. Why is using tanks any less of terrorism?
Are you that dense? Really, inquiring minds want to know.
Read some history. Read some news.
This isn't the "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" question. This is the "First came the suicide bombers, then came the tanks looking for those who sent the suicide bombers."
It's called response in kind. Somewhere along the way however (Sharon) response in kind became kill first.
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Originally posted by xtc
Israel kills with Tanks the Palestinians with bombs. Why is using tanks any less of terrorism?
Are you that dense? Really, inquiring minds want to know.
Read some history. Read some news.
This isn't the "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" question. This is the "First came the suicide bombers, then came the tanks looking for those who sent the suicide bombers."
It's called response in kind. Somewhere along the way however (Sharon) response in kind became kill first.
Yeah, but Sharon is still a saint compared to the not-so-alive Arafat.
When there are incursions in Hebron and M1A2s start firing mortar rounds into Arab busses filled with, key-word here, CIVILIANS, then I think that Sharon would have stooped down to Arafat's level (not six feet under, that is.)
[Edited on 11-4-2004 by Stanley Burrell]
Ravenstorm
11-04-2004, 02:49 PM
He's in a coma according to Reuters.
Raven
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Originally posted by xtc
Israel kills with Tanks the Palestinians with bombs. Why is using tanks any less of terrorism?
Are you that dense? Really, inquiring minds want to know.
Read some history. Read some news.
This isn't the "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" question. This is the "First came the suicide bombers, then came the tanks looking for those who sent the suicide bombers."
It's called response in kind. Somewhere along the way however (Sharon) response in kind became kill first.
How about the formation of Israel in 1947 and how Palestinians were forced from their homes.
Irgun and Lehi terrorist groups massacred 1000's of Arab Palestinians in the village of Deir Yassin.
I know my history.
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Originally posted by xtc
Israel kills with Tanks the Palestinians with bombs. Why is using tanks any less of terrorism?
Are you that dense? Really, inquiring minds want to know.
Read some history. Read some news.
This isn't the "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" question. This is the "First came the suicide bombers, then came the tanks looking for those who sent the suicide bombers."
It's called response in kind. Somewhere along the way however (Sharon) response in kind became kill first.
How about the formation of Israel in 1947 and how Palestinians were forced from their homes.
Irgun and Lehi terrorist groups massacred 1000's of Arab Palestinians in the village of Deir Yassin.
I know my history.
Speaking of 1947, and prior to that, the Palis (a.k.a. Jordanians) had been getting their asses kicked out of every country they inhabited, not to mention the blatant anti-Semitism towards jews in Palestine U.K. prior to the Balfour.
In the long run, keep building the wall.
[Edited on 11-4-2004 by Stanley Burrell]
also, xtc, I wouldn't really worry about palestinians being kicked from their home as our lord and savior Kofi Annan has granted them special U.N. refugee status that is seen no where else on this mortal coil.
None of this would have happened if the jews were still wondering the desert.
Tsa`ah
11-04-2004, 03:08 PM
You need to find better sources.
The UK, who had governed the region since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, called on the UN due to the increased rate Jews to the region.
The UN drew up partition lines, the Arabs decided they didn't want the Jews (Who had been there for decades) there anymore and went to war. They lost. Guess what happens when you lose a war over land?
Go get boo hoo fucking teary over the aboriginals that were forced off their land in north and south America now.
longshot
11-04-2004, 03:11 PM
I have no sympathy for the Palestinians.
They have a homeland.. it's called "Jordan".
Hulkein
11-04-2004, 03:11 PM
BUT THE PALESTINIANS DESERVE IT!!!1`
I agree, you start a war and get fucked up than you better pack your bags and thank Allah you weren't driven off the face of the Earth by the opposing forces.
[Edited on 11-4-2004 by Hulkein]
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
You need to find better sources.
The UK, who had governed the region since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, called on the UN due to the increased rate Jews to the region.
The UN drew up partition lines, the Arabs decided they didn't want the Jews (Who had been there for decades) there anymore and went to war. They lost. Guess what happens when you lose a war over land?
Go get boo hoo fucking teary over the aboriginals that were forced off their land in north and south America now.
The Jews were offered Uganda a beautiful, fertile land after WW2. But no they wanted an occupied stretch of land because God wanted them to have it.
I think you'll find the Palestinians will continue to use bombs not tears until they have a homeland.
Tsa`ah
11-04-2004, 03:17 PM
As has been pointed out ... they do. It's called Jordan.
Originally posted by Hulkein
BUT THE PALESTINIANS DESERVE IT!!!1`
I agree, you start a war and get fucked up than you better pack your bags and thank Allah you weren't drive off the face of the Earth by the opposing forces.
The Jews started the war in 1947 and it isn't over yet.
Tsa`ah
11-04-2004, 03:19 PM
Oh man ... this just gets better and better.
You really do have reading comprehension issues don't you?
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
As has been pointed out ... they do. It's called Jordan.
You and me both know that these camps were created in 1967 after the 6 day war.
How about I kick you out of your home and settle you without a home in say Georgia? Better yet everyone of your religion? That is what Jordan is.
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Oh man ... this just gets better and better.
You really do have reading comprehension issues don't you?
I have had a firm grasp before you could uttered your first word.
Latrinsorm
11-04-2004, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by xtc
But no they wanted an occupied stretch of land because God wanted them to have it. So when the Jews got kicked out of their land (long long ago) that's fine by you but when they want it back they're being religious zealots?
Parkbandit
11-04-2004, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
You need to find better sources.
The UK, who had governed the region since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, called on the UN due to the increased rate Jews to the region.
The UN drew up partition lines, the Arabs decided they didn't want the Jews (Who had been there for decades) there anymore and went to war. They lost. Guess what happens when you lose a war over land?
Go get boo hoo fucking teary over the aboriginals that were forced off their land in north and south America now.
They didn't lose.. they got their asses handed to them.
Christ.. this is a political thread and I'm completely agreeing with Tsa`ah.
Israel's has been giving land out the ass because of U.N. prodding from the land gained in the 6 day war. I *think* Rhode Island maybe bigger than Israel, or at least Delaware :?:
For example, the kind Israelis give the Golan Heights back and get hezbollah rocket fire on a somewhat daily basis in return from Syria and the Shebaa farms.
longshot
11-04-2004, 03:49 PM
I keep checking this thread to see if he's dead yet.
Did you know he used to dress up as a women to hide?
They must have some real hotties over there...:barf:
Xcalibur
11-04-2004, 03:50 PM
I was always believing that Israel was created so a "western" influence would be in that area, as a totaly closed musulmain/arab union would be TOTALY dangerous for the whole damn world and that why they are still there and being backed by the most powerful country in the world is for that reason...
Maybe it's my socialism/capitalism view, still, that is acting up.
Keller
11-04-2004, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Originally posted by xtc
Israel kills with Tanks the Palestinians with bombs. Why is using tanks any less of terrorism?
Are you that dense? Really, inquiring minds want to know.
Read some history. Read some news.
This isn't the "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" question. This is the "First came the suicide bombers, then came the tanks looking for those who sent the suicide bombers."
It's called response in kind. Somewhere along the way however (Sharon) response in kind became kill first.
Read some of your own history. First came the invasion, then came the, "Hey, get the fuck out!" Then came the, "Guess what, this jew gets to buy this house in your town for half the price of you, now, shove off!" Then came the, "Are you STILL not gone? God DAMN!!"
Then the aforementioned bombs, then the tanks, then the bombs, then the checkpoints, then the bombs, then the wall, then the bombs again. Do you think Amesreal will ever realize they aren't going to just take their licks as second-class citizens and accept the apartheid they live under?
I don't think so either.
Originally posted by Xcalibur
I was always believing that Israel was created so a "western" influence would be in that area, as a totaly closed musulmain/arab union would be TOTALY dangerous for the whole damn world and that why they are still there and being backed by the most powerful country in the world is for that reason...
Maybe it's my socialism/capitalism view, still, that is acting up.
Um, yeah.
Find a pre-1947 flag and look real close at the U.K. symbol next to "Palestine."
Western influence was there before the creation of the nation of Israel.
As for dangerous "Musulmains?" That area didn't have much of a problem until the Israeli-Arab Fanatics, Jordanians, had been kicked out of every middle eastern country for their fanatacism and ended up in the shithole today we call Palestine.
Originally posted by Keller
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Originally posted by xtc
Israel kills with Tanks the Palestinians with bombs. Why is using tanks any less of terrorism?
Are you that dense? Really, inquiring minds want to know.
Read some history. Read some news.
This isn't the "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" question. This is the "First came the suicide bombers, then came the tanks looking for those who sent the suicide bombers."
It's called response in kind. Somewhere along the way however (Sharon) response in kind became kill first.
Read some of your own history. First came the invasion, then came the, "Hey, get the fuck out!" Then came the, "Guess what, this jew gets to buy this house in your town for half the price of you, now, shove off!" Then came the, "Are you STILL not gone? God DAMN!!"
Then the aforementioned bombs, then the tanks, then the bombs, then the checkpoints, then the bombs, then the wall, then the bombs again. Do you think Amesreal will ever realize they aren't going to just take their licks as second-class citizens and accept the apartheid they live under?
I don't think so either.
Just as a healthy tidbit of info, since the wall was completed around the West Bank, the suicide bombing ratio from that area has dropped 95%, so lives have been saved.
As for second class citizenship, it's a security issue, with fanatical ideas like those spewed by some on these boards, if those people get special access to the intended places that they wish to self-explode in, well..
Edited for West Bank.
[Edited on 11-4-2004 by Stanley Burrell]
Xcalibur
11-04-2004, 04:02 PM
Western influence is one thing, having a "country" as a base of operation that has nukes and is able to wipe out any real danger is another.
Yeah, I'm not an expert, still I believe that Isreal is needed.
And I believe that "musulmains" (or whatever you call them in english) were "dangerous" to westerners since a bit long ago, remember the crusades, dude?
You're starting to lose me here X, I personally don't remember the Crusades... Could you try to rephrase that a bit better, you just confused me.
The settlements are a crime and I commend Sharon for dismantling them in Gaza however he is just moving them to the larger West Bank which he won't give up.
The wall is an atrocity and it's impact upon the Palestinian people is criminal.
To clarify Israel exists and I accept that but I believe Palestine should be a sovereign nation.
Tsa`ah
11-04-2004, 04:13 PM
JIHAD!!!!
Nut up and strap if you feel so strongly about it.
My biggest problem with the wall is the illegal cuts into Palestinian farmland which is kind of fucked, also Pali kids not being able to get to school and all that. I do think the fact that in completed areas, its nipping of suicide attacks has been a good thing.
Do I sound apathetic here?
[Edited on 11-4-2004 by Stanley Burrell]
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
JIHAD!!!!
Nut up and strap if you feel so strongly about it.
You are encouraging me to wage a holy war rather than try to work out my disagreements in an International forum?
Also Jihad is vastly misunderstood. It means the struggle, primarily with one's self to become better person. It's secondary meaning is to defend Islam when attacked.
[Edited on 11-4-2004 by xtc]
Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
My biggest problem with the wall is the illegal cuts into Palestinian farmland which is kind of fucked, also Pali kids not being able to get to school and all that. I do think the fact that in completed areas, its nipping of suicide attacks has been a good thing.
Do I sound apathetic here?
[Edited on 11-4-2004 by Stanley Burrell]
No you sound like someone weighing both sides. An admirable quality.
Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
You're starting to lose me here X, I personally don't remember the Crusades... Could you try to rephrase that a bit better, you just confused me.
The Crusades were an attack on Arab Muslims by Christians to reclaim the Holy land. Not Christianity's finest hour.
Tsa`ah
11-04-2004, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by xtc
You are encouraging me to wage a holy war rather than try to work out my disagreements in an International forum?
I'm asserting that you're utilizing a biased outlet for your "facts".
I'm also asserting that sense you feel so strongly about all of the wrong perpetuated by the "Jews", perhaps you should do something about it instead of mouthing off with skewed facts.
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Originally posted by xtc
You are encouraging me to wage a holy war rather than try to work out my disagreements in an International forum?
I'm asserting that you're utilizing a biased outlet for your "facts".
I'm also asserting that sense you feel so strongly about all of the wrong perpetuated by the "Jews", perhaps you should do something about it instead of mouthing off with skewed facts.
I couldn't say Israelis when talking of the terrorist attacks before 1947 because Israel didn't exist.
Biased outlet? care to expand?
You have yet to successfully refute my "skewed facts".
I am saying that Palestinians today are the Jews of 1933.
I have chosen to express my dissatisfaction of the state of the Palestinian people today by tapping any political resources I may have. I think this is more constructive than "nut tin up & strapping up"
Tsa’ah despite any intelligence you may posses, you have the objectiveness of Stalin.
Keller
11-04-2004, 04:54 PM
The problem is pseudo-Zionism. God is not even remotely responsible for this Holy Land. It has not been ordained by God but by humans. It is a wretched, vile, and unholy thing to remove rights from the landowners, depose them of their communities, and make them into second-class citizens. It is entirely non-godly and I hope you might someday realize that Tsa'ah.
TheRoseLady
11-04-2004, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by Wezas
Originally posted by Maimara
They wouldn't have given him a fucking peace prize if he was a terrorist.
Go pick on Castro.
Or Bush. :saint:
:heart: Wezas
Tsa`ah
11-04-2004, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Keller
The problem is pseudo-Zionism. God is not even remotely responsible for this Holy Land. It has not been ordained by God but by humans. It is a wretched, vile, and unholy thing to remove rights from the landowners, depose them of their communities, and make them into second-class citizens. It is entirely non-godly and I hope you might someday realize that Tsa'ah.
You have confused me for a Zionist, don't feel bad about it though. Most people make ingnorant assumptions about Jews and Zionism.
To me Israel is nothing more than another nation. Notions of God have nothing to do with it.
Latrinsorm
11-04-2004, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by xtc
The Crusades were an attack on Arab Muslims by Christians to reclaim the Holy land. Not Christianity's finest hour. Hey, we also sent a brigade of kids to get slaughtered and sacked Constantinople. So, uh... I need a drink.
Ravenstorm
11-04-2004, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Hey, we also sent a brigade of kids to get slaughtered...
Two brigades: one from France, one from Germany.
Raven
Keller
11-04-2004, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Originally posted by Keller
The problem is pseudo-Zionism. God is not even remotely responsible for this Holy Land. It has not been ordained by God but by humans. It is a wretched, vile, and unholy thing to remove rights from the landowners, depose them of their communities, and make them into second-class citizens. It is entirely non-godly and I hope you might someday realize that Tsa'ah.
You have confused me for a Zionist, don't feel bad about it though. Most people make ingnorant assumptions about Jews and Zionism.
To me Israel is nothing more than another nation. Notions of God have nothing to do with it.
Ignorant as in Israel is run by Zionists? Shut the fuck up until you know what you're talking about. Again, the problem is that Israel is run by Zionists who think they are the issuers of God's will. I still hope you realize that someday, Tsa'ah.
Tsa`ah
11-04-2004, 06:57 PM
Oh shit ... we have another "ZIONISTS R TEH 3V!L NAD DAJIRUS PPL!".
Get a clue fuckstain. And lose the anti-Semitism already.
Keller
11-04-2004, 06:59 PM
.................................................. ................................
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Oh shit ... we have another "ZIONISTS R TEH 3V!L NAD DAJIRUS PPL!".
Get a clue fuckstain. And lose the anti-Semitism already.
I don't think disagreeing with Israel is anti-Semitism and semites include some Muslims.
Keller
11-04-2004, 07:03 PM
I can't wait until you're fired from being a moderator. You have serious issues.
HarmNone
11-04-2004, 07:20 PM
Let's take the battle over what is, or is not, anti-Semitism off the boards, eh? This is a devisive issue that is certainly not going to be solved here. Besides, this thread is about Arafat's current condition, not Semitism, Anti-Semitism, or Israel.
A very grumpy HarmNone thanks you, each and every one. Yes.
Betheny
11-04-2004, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by Keller
I can't wait until you're fired from being a moderator. You have serious issues.
He won't be fired, because he's right.
CrystalTears
11-04-2004, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Maimara
Originally posted by Keller
I can't wait until you're fired from being a moderator. You have serious issues.
He won't be fired, because he's right.
As if being fired as a moderator would stop him from posting.
Left to his own vices, in the words of Shaft, do you think that makes him less dangerous, or more dangerous? :D
Hulkein
11-04-2004, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Oh shit ... we have another "ZIONISTS R TEH 3V!L NAD DAJIRUS PPL!".
Get a clue fuckstain. And lose the anti-Semitism already.
What he said isn't anymore prejudice than when you say 'The Christian Right Wing zealots.'
[Edited on 11-5-2004 by Hulkein]
Keller
11-04-2004, 07:33 PM
He can post all he wants. Fact is he is supposed to set an example as a staff-member.
He reminded me of Psykos in that post. To a T.
Keller
11-04-2004, 08:07 PM
In a perfect world I would be able to find a story like this ...
Setting, Des Moines, IA 1939.
David jumped off the schoolbus and met his mailman on the side of the road to collect that days correspondence. Looking past his parents bills, he found an envelope in handsome cursive addressed to him. He excitedly ran up the drive towards the house, anticipating his response from his first real penpal! Through school he had been set up with his foreign friend, a boy about his same age living in Munich. He sent him a letter, telling of the stories he heard about the ways in which the boys leader had been talking about and dealing with the Jews in his country. He wrote about how he felt it was a terrible idea to think that it was God's will to redirect a population of people out of their communities and into settlements that were guarded by walls and men. Anticipating an interesting response to his heartfelt letter, David instead received a short reponse that read like this ...
"Oh shit ... not another "NAZIS R TEH 3V!L NAD DAJIRUS PPL!".
Get a clue fuckstain. And lose the anti-arianism already."
David sat and wondered about humanity and how a person could write such an angry letter, just because he had questioned the actions of this boys nation.
Wezas
11-04-2004, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by Hulkein
What he said isn't anymore prejudice than when you say 'The Christian Right Wing zealots.'
Damn, can't we keep Bush out of at least one thread? :saint:
Originally posted by Keller
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Originally posted by Keller
The problem is pseudo-Zionism. God is not even remotely responsible for this Holy Land. It has not been ordained by God but by humans. It is a wretched, vile, and unholy thing to remove rights from the landowners, depose them of their communities, and make them into second-class citizens. It is entirely non-godly and I hope you might someday realize that Tsa'ah.
You have confused me for a Zionist, don't feel bad about it though. Most people make ingnorant assumptions about Jews and Zionism.
To me Israel is nothing more than another nation. Notions of God have nothing to do with it.
Ignorant as in Israel is run by Zionists? Shut the fuck up until you know what you're talking about. Again, the problem is that Israel is run by Zionists who think they are the issuers of God's will. I still hope you realize that someday, Tsa'ah.
Yo Keller, no disrespect, but blatant, incorrect comments like that will not get you far. Israel has an oligarchy of Zionist, Reform, non-Zionist, and even Satmar Jews.
There is a huge political split in the party.
I am Atheist and Jewish, I could give a fuck about the theoretical idea of a god and what it has to with land ownership, the only thing I care about is that people are protected and not-dead, that means the Palestinians as well as the Jews, by any means neccesary.
Tsa`ah
11-04-2004, 10:44 PM
I find about 9 out of 10 comments made in reference to Zionism to be complete and utter bull shit. Yours being no different.
Zionism started out as nothing more than re-establishing the state of Israel. Currently it is an allegiance held for Israel above all others, even as a citizen of another nation. This means planning for return, paying taxes, and lending support as one can. No where in the Zionistic following is there belief of being the bearers/issuers of God's will.
I'm to shut the fuck up because I don't know what I'm talking about? Shit ... all those years of study as a child and teen were wrong. I feel so jipped.
You want to take an ill educated crack at Zionism and God's will but willingly neglect the fact that Israel's people believe they are returning to the land they were once driven from and scattered to every corner of the earth. You want to point out the belief of God's will yet leave out the Muslim's and the Rock of Gibraltar?
Learn about the diversity of Israeli leadership, the diversity of Judaism and the true history of Zionism and what it actually meant then and means today. Do me a favor when you do this, stay away from "conspiracy of the evil Jew" sights, they rot the brain.
Shit, to think this all started with a few ill-informed, ill-educate, and absolutely blind people claiming Arafat and the PLO were not terrorists.
Per me getting fired ... it would have happened already were it an issue. In fact my application would have been rejected had my posting style been a problem.
My job is to moderate, not set examples for short bus rejects.
GSTamral
11-04-2004, 10:54 PM
Tsa'ah is guilty of single sight syndrome. If my house gets uprooted, my money gets taken away from me, forcing me to lose my ability to work and feed my family, then remove my ability to defend myself and my family, then yes, I might very well do something extreme in the name of vengeance.
Arafat was working with Rabin to create peace. A radical Zionist shot Rabin.
Extremism in the region runs both ways. I am much more afraid of Sharon then I am Arafat. Sharon is more of a militant than any other world leader I know. He takes land by force, he sends tanks into enemy territory, he did not even order the court martial of a soldier in a chopper that local TV caught firing into a crowd of protestors who were unarmed.
Arafat is by no means an angel, and he is in all rights a man who uses some very horrible methodology to make his statements, an antithesis to Ghandi, if you would. But he is an absolute bastion of peace when compared to Sharon.
Tsa`ah
11-04-2004, 11:14 PM
Single sighted? This coming from the first guy on these forums that stated Zionists are dangerous people?
In case your reading ability is also selective, which I think it is, you would have read my earlier sentiments about Sharon following in Arafat's foot steps.
I'm not about to claim that some Jews were not at fault for the tensions and transgressions that occurred prior to and during the UN intervention and formation of a Sovereign Israel. I will point out the one sided heart bleeding over the "innocent" people oppressed by the evil tyrants knows as "Zionists" however.
I don't think the Israeli PM and cabinet are any better than our own administration. Yet, that party was re-elected after a vote of no confidence, much like this administration was.
People talk about bleeding hearts; this is one of those situations. The poor poor poor Jordania ... I mean Palestinians. They have been so brutalized. The only thing they tried to do was wipe the Jewish population out of the region. But that didn't work and they lost land because they couldn't share it. How dare those Israeli choppers and tanks and tactical teams go in after terrorist leaders, they weren't the one's wearing bombs and blowing up school buses, cafe's, schools, clinics, bus stations, and restaurants. WTF?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The atrocities of this Nation upon the aboriginal inhabitants makes Israeli retaliation look like a snow ball fight. Fuck the Native Americans though; you have a warm safe place to live.
Get over yourselves and find a cause that isn't full of bull shit.
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
I find about 9 out of 10 comments made in reference to Zionism to be complete and utter bull shit. Yours being no different.
Zionism started out as nothing more than re-establishing the state of Israel.
Displacing 1000’s of Arabs
I'm to shut the fuck up because I don't know what I'm talking about? Shit ... all those years of study as a child and teen were wrong. I feel so jipped.
You should
You want to take an ill educated crack at Zionism and God's will but willingly neglect the fact that Israel's people believe they are returning to the land they were once driven from and scattered to every corner of the earth. You want to point out the belief of God's will yet leave out the Muslim's and the Rock of Gibraltar?
When you marginalise a group of people because you believe it is God’s will then yes. Who did the Muslims displace?
Learn about the diversity of Israeli leadership, the diversity of Judaism and the true history of Zionism and what it actually meant then and means today. Do me a favor when you do this, stay away from "conspiracy of the evil Jew" sights, they rot the brain.
Never believed the Jews were evil, only some, like every other race and religion. I am well aware of the diversity in Israel and Judaism.
Shit, to think this all started with a few ill-informed, ill-educate, and absolutely blind people claiming Arafat and the PLO were not terrorists.
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. State sponsored terrorism is still terrorism.
Per me getting fired ... it would have happened already were it an issue. In fact my application would have been rejected had my posting style been a problem.
Couldn’t care less one way or the other
My job is to moderate, not set examples for short bus rejects.
Ah.. the insults when we disagree. I’ll take your old seat on the short bus.
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Single sighted? This coming from the first guy on these forums that stated Zionists are dangerous people?
In case your reading ability is also selective, which I think it is, you would have read my earlier sentiments about Sharon following in Arafat's foot steps.
I'm not about to claim that some Jews were not at fault for the tensions and transgressions that occurred prior to and during the UN intervention and formation of a Sovereign Israel. I will point out the one sided heart bleeding over the "innocent" people oppressed by the evil tyrants knows as "Zionists" however.
I don't think the Israeli PM and cabinet are any better than our own administration. Yet, that party was re-elected after a vote of no confidence, much like this administration was.
People talk about bleeding hearts; this is one of those situations. The poor poor poor Jordania ... I mean Palestinians. They have been so brutalized. The only thing they tried to do was wipe the Jewish population out of the region. But that didn't work and they lost land because they couldn't share it. How dare those Israeli choppers and tanks and tactical teams go in after terrorist leaders, they weren't the one's wearing bombs and blowing up school buses, cafe's, schools, clinics, bus stations, and restaurants. WTF?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The atrocities of this Nation upon the aboriginal inhabitants makes Israeli retaliation look like a snow ball fight. Fuck the Native Americans though; you have a warm safe place to live.
Get over yourselves and find a cause that isn't full of bull shit.
What a selective interpretation of the events in Palestine since 1947. Golda Meir has admitted Israel forced the Arab nations to attack thus creating the camps.
Tsa`ah
11-04-2004, 11:41 PM
You really need to work on using BB code guy. Talk to Latri for some pointers, he's got the slice and comment down to an art.
Let's see if I can sort through your soiling of my post.
Displacing 1000’s of Arabs
So I guess the ruins of ancient Israel currently being excavated IN Israel means that 10's of thousands of Jews weren't displaced prior to. Nor the Displacement of Millions of Jews prior to returning home have no bearing in this. Also you neglect mentioning the existence of Jews in the region prior to the Zionist movement.
You should
Thankfully I don't take advice from google whores.
When you marginalise a group of people because you believe it is God’s will then yes. Who did the Muslims displace?
You completely ignored the relevant facts already pointed out to you. This is why you are ill-educated on the subject. Google for a few days, go to a Synagogue with Zionist following, learn a little, come back with a vague understanding and then we'll chat. Until then I think you should heed the order you chose to mandate.
Never believed the Jews were evil, only some, like every other race and religion. I am well aware of the diversity in Israel and Judaism.
Yet fail to prove so.
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. State sponsored terrorism is still terrorism.
Yet they had freedom, so what were they fighting for? They weren't Palestinian. That has been pointed out more than twice now, you ignore that fact however.
Couldn’t care less one way or the other
Yet you have criticized the job performed with no evidence to back up the criticism and continue to ignore the fact that only Kranar has the ability to describe what my job is.
Interesting.
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
You really need to work on using BB code guy. Talk to Latri for some pointers, he's got the slice and comment down to an art.
Let's see if I can sort through your soiling of my post.
Displacing 1000’s of Arabs
So I guess the ruins of ancient Israel currently being excavated IN Israel means that 10's of thousands of Jews weren't displaced prior to. Nor the Displacement of Millions of Jews prior to returning home have no bearing in this. Also you neglect mentioning the existence of Jews in the region prior to the Zionist movement.
You should
Thankfully I don't take advice from google whores.
When you marginalise a group of people because you believe it is God’s will then yes. Who did the Muslims displace?
You completely ignored the relevant facts already pointed out to you. This is why you are ill-educated on the subject. Google for a few days, go to a Synagogue with Zionist following, learn a little, come back with a vague understanding and then we'll chat. Until then I think you should heed the order you chose to mandate.
Never believed the Jews were evil, only some, like every other race and religion. I am well aware of the diversity in Israel and Judaism.
Yet fail to prove so.
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. State sponsored terrorism is still terrorism.
Yet they had freedom, so what were they fighting for? They weren't Palestinian. That has been pointed out more than twice now, you ignore that fact however.
Couldn’t care less one way or the other
Yet you have criticized the job performed with no evidence to back up the criticism and continue to ignore the fact that only Kranar has the ability to describe what my job is.
Interesting.
My guess is you are so stubborn and pig headed that you don’t take advice from anyone.
So because Jews existed 1000’s of years ago in Palestine it is acceptable to uproot an entire nation of people to make room for the Jews? Or Palestinians have to pay for Hitler? As I mentioned Uganda was offered, but no, the Zionists had to have Palestine.
A temple is hardly an unbiased source and I don’t get my info from google on the subject. I have been learning about it for most of my life. I notice you had nothing to say about Golda’s admission.
Facts… you mean your skewed reading of history based on your biases and prejudices perhaps learned from a bias and prejudiced source? Yeah I ignored it.
Now you want me to prove I don’t think Jews are evil, I guess you will have to take my word for it or choose to disbelieve me.
Freedom what freedom? The freedom to loose their homes or be massacred?
Because the Jews in the 1940’s finally terrorized England enough to want out of the bloody mess. Jordan is a British creation. Palestinians are what these people are, repeating your lie that they aren’t doesn’t make it so.
I guess currently they are fighting for human rights, to not have their ambulances fired upon, to not have their sources of water diverted from them and for a homeland.
Yes I criticized you when you deleted posts like mad and when you failed to set any sort of example as a moderator. Something you still fail in. However if they fire you or not I couldn’t care less.
[Edited on 11-5-2004 by xtc]
BigBadBonar
11-05-2004, 12:18 AM
OMG, Tsa'ah said Plo!!!!! Oh wait, that PLO, not Plo the player
BigBadBonar
11-05-2004, 12:19 AM
Plo the player is cool as hell. He is my hero
Tsa`ah
11-05-2004, 12:44 AM
xtc's prattle
You have points, you just don't know what those points are.
Read about the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the inhabitants and conditions of Palestine prior to any Jewish immigration, the immigration of Jews to established Jewish communities in Palestine prior to THE BALFOUR DECLARATION, read about the Balfour Declaration and WHO FUCKING SIGNED IT, while you're busy with all of that ... continue reading.
Keller
11-05-2004, 05:39 AM
I've been at class then to the bar all night. So sorry this is a little late ... but,
Tsa'ah, you sound like an 18th century explorer claiming manifest destiny as you kick people out of their communities. "Hey, get the fuck out. The book we wrote says we own this. Now piss off!"
Sorry bud, just because 1000 years ago a nation got their ass handed to them in a series of wars and were forced to move does not entitle them to the land they used to possess, even if the book they wrote says it's theirs.
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
xtc's prattle
You have points, you just don't know what those points are.
Read about the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the inhabitants and conditions of Palestine prior to any Jewish immigration, the immigration of Jews to established Jewish communities in Palestine prior to THE BALFOUR DECLARATION, read about the Balfour Declaration and WHO FUCKING SIGNED IT, while you're busy with all of that ... continue reading.
I have read it all of it years ago. I have one parent who did her Masters in Middle East history and her Bachelors in Religion.
As I have stated before England was part of the problem, but the Balfour declaration didn't authorise the mass displacement of the Arabs living there quite the opposite.
and I am tired of arguing with Tsa'ah you have the objectivity of Hitler so arguing with you is pointless.
[Edited on 11-5-2004 by xtc]
Tsa`ah
11-05-2004, 12:39 PM
I have read it all of it years ago. I have one parent who did her Masters in Middle East history and her Bachelors in Religion.
My wife is a psychologist, that doesn't make me an expert in psychology.
Show me where thousands of Arabs who had legal and ancestral rights to land were displaced without having resorted to violence and displacement wasn't in retaliation and you'll have an argument.
Tsa`ah
11-05-2004, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Keller
I've been at class then to the bar all night. So sorry this is a little late ... but,
Tsa'ah, you sound like an 18th century explorer claiming manifest destiny as you kick people out of their communities. "Hey, get the fuck out. The book we wrote says we own this. Now piss off!"
Sorry bud, just because 1000 years ago a nation got their ass handed to them in a series of wars and were forced to move does not entitle them to the land they used to possess, even if the book they wrote says it's theirs.
So, when will you be boarding the next ship back to Europe?
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
I have read it all of it years ago. I have one parent who did her Masters in Middle East history and her Bachelors in Religion.
My wife is a psychologist, that doesn't make me an expert in psychology.
Show me where thousands of Arabs who had legal and ancestral rights to land were displaced without having resorted to violence and displacement wasn't in retaliation and you'll have an argument.
To quote myself
"and I am tired of arguing with Tsa'ah you have the objectivity of Hitler so arguing with you is pointless".
Parkbandit
11-05-2004, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by CrystalTearsIn the words of Shaft, do you think that makes him less dangerous, or more dangerous? :D
One of my favorite movie lines of all time.
Arabs have ancestral rights to Palestine. They have lived there for 1000's of years. Jerusalem was where Mohammed ascended into heaven so they have a religious claim on it as well.
When the British partitioned the land in 1947, Jewish terrorists group attacked the Palestinians and took land that Britain had allocated for the Arabs.
But we are arguing about is Gaza and the West Bank. Areas stolen by Israel after the 6 day war. A war, according to Golda Meir, that Israel orchestrated by convincing the Arabs that Israel was going to attack.
So try to stay on topic wanderer.
Tsa`ah
11-05-2004, 01:32 PM
You want me to stay on topic, that's very funny.
I thought you were done? Goggle another blog?
You haven't cited references and I'm beginning to believe you are ignorant of the topic.
The UK did not partician, the UK deferred to the UN. The UN in turn set up the partician lines.
Jews had indeed lived there prior to and during the time that Arabs did. In fact the Jews were respected and sought after for ritual dietary needs, jewelry, money ... etc.
The return of the Jews into the area began after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. They were returning to a land that was theirs prior to the Arab claim. Prior to Muhammad and the ascent.
You claim the Jews threatened the Brits, forced them into giving them the land? Where the fuck did you read that?
I want references clown. If you google them fine, but your arguments are severely lacking.
[Edited on 11-5-2004 by Tsa`ah]
longshot
11-05-2004, 02:56 PM
From a selected paragraph from an AP article...
"Israel, meanwhile, underlined that it will not allow Arafat to be buried in Jerusalem as he reportedly wishes. Jerusalem is the city where Jewish kings are buried and not Arab terrorists," Israeli Justice Minister Yosef Lapid told Associated Press Television News."
Do you think the coffin will match his head cover?
Keller
11-05-2004, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Originally posted by Keller
I've been at class then to the bar all night. So sorry this is a little late ... but,
Tsa'ah, you sound like an 18th century explorer claiming manifest destiny as you kick people out of their communities. "Hey, get the fuck out. The book we wrote says we own this. Now piss off!"
Sorry bud, just because 1000 years ago a nation got their ass handed to them in a series of wars and were forced to move does not entitle them to the land they used to possess, even if the book they wrote says it's theirs.
So, when will you be boarding the next ship back to Europe?
A little tidbit of information for you Tsa'ah ....
WE'RE NOT AT WAR WITH THE INDIANS!!!!!
Keep on stretching for some sort of legitimacy. Reach, pull, try to find a grip on something that makes fucking sense. It's starting to make me laugh.
Tsa`ah
11-05-2004, 04:22 PM
We're not at war with the native population because we already beat them into submission and then graciously gave them shit holes to live in.
Keller
11-05-2004, 04:29 PM
Which is about what happened to the Jews except the Arabs didn't give them shit for holes.
Point is we're living in the present. Currently the Indians are not bombing us, nor do we have a significant aggressive military presence in Arizona.
So your counterexample is sieve of logic. It doesn't hold a single fucking drop of water.
Tsa`ah
11-05-2004, 04:47 PM
So the atrocities that happened in our past are OK because they give you a warm bed to sleep in and freedom to post non-sense when you wake up?
We are living in the present; Israel wasn't defeated in the wars against them. They did not have to find shit holes to live in as they won.
You don't understand the logic because you refuse to accept that Israel is and has defended itself successfully. You refuse to accept that as the victors, they are in fact doing what any other nation in power has done.
Just because we are a few hundred years removed from atrocities committed from an indigenous people does not give us the moral high ground to condemn another nation for defending themselves.
My logic doesn't hold water to yours because you do not understand the meaning of logic.
Keller
11-05-2004, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
So the atrocities that happened in our past are OK because they give you a warm bed to sleep in and freedom to post non-sense when you wake up?
Did I say they were ok? No. I said they were not current affairs.
We are living in the present; Israel wasn't defeated in the wars against them. They did not have to find shit holes to live in as they won.
Ummmm, Jews and Christians got their asses handed to them. Sorry, wrong. Then about 800 years later the Jews returned under the protection of the Brits until they were in numbers great enough to terroize the Palestinians. And yes, they eventually won.
You don't understand the logic because you refuse to accept that Israel is and has defended itself successfully. You refuse to accept that as the victors, they are in fact doing what any other nation in power has done.
Ahhhhh yes. They've overstepped their bounds and taken lands not originally allocated to them. That IS what victors do, I forgot. Hitler and Saddam were great victors too. Sieg Heil!
Just because we are a few hundred years removed from atrocities committed from an indigenous people does not give us the moral high ground to condemn another nation for defending themselves.
There is a stark contrast between defense and offense. Please don't confuse them again.
My logic doesn't hold water to yours because you do not understand the meaning of logic.
No, you're logic doesn't hold water because you compared a war with not-a-war. Your deparate attempts to grasp reality are amusing. Do continue.
Tsa`ah
11-05-2004, 05:15 PM
Please learn how to use BB code.
The Arabs did not defeat the Hebrew people. The Arabs handed defeat to European invaders.
Jews have long lived in the region and peacefully so for centuries.
Land grabbing is an assertion by you and other people subscribing to anti-semetic based history.
You fail to see the difference because, as I asserted, you sleep in a comfy bed.
Please provide sources and references to "Jewish" terrorism and land grabbing.
Keller
11-05-2004, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Please learn how to use BB code.
No
The Arabs did not defeat the Hebrew people. The Arabs handed defeat to European invaders.
Sorry, to the Judeo-Christian influence. Is that better?
Jews have long lived in the region and peacefully so for centuries.
Until that whole hostile take-over thing. But you probably did not recognize that because war and not-war are synonyms, right?
Land grabbing is an assertion by you and other people subscribing to anti-semetic based history.
Did you know proud German's also assert the holocaust never happened too? Your rhetoric doesn't surprise me, just makes me chuckle.
You fail to see the difference because, as I asserted, you sleep in a comfy bed.
Right, my bed allows me to not see the similarities between war and not-war. Keep em coming man, this is getting good.
Please provide sources and references to "Jewish" terrorism and land grabbing.
Check the BBC, they have a pretty good history. Unfortunately they don't follow your war/not-war logic, so you might just reject it outright.
Tsa`ah
11-05-2004, 06:52 PM
Check the BBC, they have a pretty good history. Unfortunately they don't follow your war/not-war logic, so you might just reject it outright.
Mind providing links?
From the time line I pulled these quotes. Please note that only "unrest" is reported up to this point. Displacement isn't mentioned until after
Zionist-Arab antagonism boiled over into violent clashes in August 1929 when 133 Jews were killed by Palestinians and 110 Palestinians died at the hands of the British police.
Arab discontent again exploded into widespread civil disobedience during a general strike in 1936. By this time, the militant Zionist group Irgun Zvai Leumi was orchestrating attacks on Palestinian and British targets with the aim of "liberating" Palestine and Transjordan (modern-day Jordan) by force.
In July 1937, Britain, in a Royal Commission headed by former Secretary of State for India, Lord Peel, recommended partitioning the land into a Jewish state (about a third of British Mandate Palestine, including Galilee and the coastal plain) and an Arab one.
Palestinian and Arab representatives rejected this and demanded an end to immigration and the safeguarding of a single unified state with protection of minority rights. Violent opposition continued until 1938 when it was crushed with reinforcements from the UK.
Displacement is only mentioned after UN partition. Note that this displacement took place within Israeli borders. 1947.
In 1948, When Israel is proclaimed a sovereign entity, fighting begins on both sides. Arabs trying to grab Israeli land, Israelis defending and in turn taking Arab land. Note that before this, Israel agreed to the terms of partition, the Arabs refused.
All description of Palestine prior to immigration to small Jewish communities within, were that of a desolate shit hole. The Arabs of the region didn't give a shit about the land and were in no hurry to do anything with it. Syria, Egypt, Saudi, and Iraq at the time (1890's-1920's) were largely acceptant of Jewish immigration into a shit hole that no one was bothering to develop.
So unless you have some specific information about Israelite land grabbing that occurred without provocation, attacks and displacement that occurred prior to the UN partitioning ... please share.
Otherwise you're talking out of your ass with selective reading being you’re only supporting argument.
Keller
11-05-2004, 07:13 PM
Except that in 1936 militants were attempting to "liberate" Palestine by force.
Tsa`ah
11-05-2004, 07:17 PM
So you use the information I provided and cite a provoked strike.
So far the claims made by xtc and yourself have been BS. You can't back it up, even with root source you claim to have referenced.
Provide specifics and reference them if you wish to be taken seriously.
Keller
11-05-2004, 07:24 PM
The quote you provided shows no direct connection. It merely shows chronological similarities with, "by that time."
And even if the two were meant to be related in more than a chronological fashion, how the hell do you see unrest and civil disobedience as provokation to "liberate" a land you've not controlled for 1100 years? Sure, you live there. But you didn't control it. You can say you were provoked to defend yourself, if in fact you were, but not regain a terroritory you once held claim to.
Jenisi
11-05-2004, 07:42 PM
He's in a coma. Thank you.
CrystalTears
11-05-2004, 08:25 PM
Did grandpa tell you that too? Cause he wasn't in a coma either.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/10103930.htm?1c
[Edited on 11/6/2004 by CrystalTears]
Tsa`ah
11-05-2004, 09:01 PM
The fact remains that you have not submitted a shred of proof.
You can disagree all you want, but the league of nations and later the UN put it in motion.
While you may not agree with displacement, it happened. It happened in the US with the interstate system. In Boston with the Artery. It happens all of the time. It just seems you only have a problem with it when it's Jews and it's an atrocity when they retaliate.
That's what I'm getting from you anyway.
Put forward some proof and sources to back up your argument or just accept that you really don't know what you’re arguing against.
Ravenstorm
11-05-2004, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by CrystalTears
Did grandpa tell you that too? Cause he wasn't in a coma either.
Grandpa is correct. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29158-2004Nov5.html)
Raven
CrystalTears
11-05-2004, 11:36 PM
The sources have been conflicting because the source I cited specifically said that he was not in a coma, so I guess go with whomever you believe more. :shrug:
Jenisi
11-06-2004, 09:40 PM
Grandpa said Arafat is in a Coma. Grandpa Right. CT wrong. (Really bad waterboy impression)
[Edited on 11-7-2004 by Jenisi]
Just to add I saw it on the news while eating dinner without my grandpa present. So UH
[Edited on 11-7-2004 by Jenisi]
Originally posted by Tsa`ah
You want me to stay on topic, that's very funny.
I thought you were done? Goggle another blog?
You haven't cited references and I'm beginning to believe you are ignorant of the topic.
The UK did not partician, the UK deferred to the UN. The UN in turn set up the partician lines.
Jews had indeed lived there prior to and during the time that Arabs did. In fact the Jews were respected and sought after for ritual dietary needs, jewelry, money ... etc.
The return of the Jews into the area began after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. They were returning to a land that was theirs prior to the Arab claim. Prior to Muhammad and the ascent.
You claim the Jews threatened the Brits, forced them into giving them the land? Where the fuck did you read that?
I want references clown. If you google them fine, but your arguments are severely lacking.
[Edited on 11-5-2004 by Tsa`ah]
Blah, bla Tsa'ah you use words yet you say little:
Tsa’ah it is you who make outlandish claims and obviously don’t know you history or choose to ignore it.
Israel never existed anywhere until 1947. Perhaps you have heard of Moses and his 40 years in the desert his dream wasn’t realised until 1947. The land that is now Israel, prior to 1947 was always Palestine. Do I need to provide a reference for this or will you pull your head out of your ass and accept it? Mohammed was born in the 6th century that was a long time ago, but regardless that land was Palestine before Mohammed and Palestine after Mohammed.
Most of my references are in history books sitting on my shelf at home, would you like to list them when I get home this evening? My other reference is Professor Desjardin at The University of Toronto. He taught both Middle East history and Religion. He led a trip to Israel, Egypt, and Palestine that I attended.
It is also well known that Jewish groups in Palestine routinely attacked British troops. Check the BBC site for a reference. They were unhappy at the pace that they British were progressing they were also upset that the quota Britain put on how many Jews could come to Palestine. The other thing I am surprised you didn’t know was that despite the Balfour declaration, if you want to call one letter that, that the Arabs expected the land was going to be granted to them because they supported the Allies during WW1. The McMahon Agreement had promised Palestine to the Arabs. So yes the Jews did apply pressure to Britain via terrorist acts, there was fear the land wouldn’t go to them. Perhaps you have heard of the Irgan Zvai Leumi?
What do jewellery, dietary needs, and money have to do with the establishment of Israel or the Palestinian’s establishing their own homeland.
Your argument boils down to might makes right. I wonder if you will hold to this argument when your brethren loose a battle. I think what has you all tied up in knots is that the world is finally recognizing the atrocities that Israel is committing against the Palestinian people and support is growing for a Palestinian Nation. I will keep that in mind the next time you go off on one of your rants
Although this is a SLIGHT diversion from your post I thought you may enjoy reading this:
http://libaware.economads.com/jewcritzion.php
[Edited on 11-8-2004 by xtc]
Latrinsorm
11-08-2004, 05:03 PM
I recall a kingdom of Judah and a kingdom of Israel existing. One was two tribes, the other was the other 10. I want to say it was around 700 B.C. they either fell or were created, but I learned this stuff like 6 years ago, so who knows (I BET TSA`AH DOES!!).
longshot
11-08-2004, 05:07 PM
It's Israel now.
Habid, Mackmar, and Dances with Camel Dung have lost 4 consecutive wars.
Israelis make micro chips, and send editorials to newspapers.
Palestinians make potato chips, and send bombs to newspapers.
No sympathy whatsoever for terrorists.
They make a concious choice to be victims.
Go back to Jordan.
Keller
11-08-2004, 05:29 PM
That's like saying if I stole your bicycle and you decided to get it back -- I am not at fault for beating the shit out of you because you chose to try to reclaim your bicycle. Afterall, you conciously chose to become a victim.
longshot
11-08-2004, 05:47 PM
Except, it was never your bicycle to begin with.
You just tried to fight me for a bicycle... and lost.
... and lost again....
... and again...
... and again...
Keller
11-08-2004, 05:52 PM
first get your pronouns right. I stole the bike from you. Once upon a time I had the frame of the bike, but you stole it like 1400 years ago. Then 90 years ago my friends began sharing your bike and let me use it. I evenually grew confident enough to just take it and now you keep choosing to be the victim and try to take it back. SHAME ON YOU!
Nieninque
11-08-2004, 06:51 PM
If it's 1400 years old its going to be a shit bike anyway
Betheny
11-08-2004, 06:52 PM
so
did he actually die?
StrayRogue
11-08-2004, 07:21 PM
He's stable in hospital.
Ravenstorm
11-08-2004, 08:19 PM
There's some speculation that his "mystery illness" might be AIDS. Apparently, there are some rumors he might be bi and may have contracted it a while back during his more promiscuous days.
Raven
[Edited on 11-9-2004 by Ravenstorm]
longshot
11-09-2004, 12:20 AM
You mean...
all the needless violence was caused by sensitive nips and a longing desire to hugged by another man?
Ravenstorm
11-09-2004, 12:34 AM
No. If the rumors are right, he got that. But now he's married. Coincidence?
Raven
Tsa`ah
11-09-2004, 12:48 AM
You have seen his wife correct?
The same woman whose personal bank account swelled to 11.5 mill after Arafat diverted 900 mill for the Palestinian "people" to his own personal Swiss accounts.
Arafat is/was never about liberation, it was about extortion and personal advancement. Just like his blonde Caucasian wife who has lived in France for several years.
CrystalTears
11-09-2004, 12:50 AM
That's a woman?? Nu uh!
longshot
11-09-2004, 12:52 AM
She's pretty ugly... I think she would be accepted by the movement.
Ravenstorm
11-09-2004, 12:57 AM
Arafat married Linda Tripp? Diabolically clever.
Raven
Tsa`ah
11-09-2004, 01:07 AM
The only thing Arafat's death will be about is money and who will end up with all or most of it.
I can tell you who won't see a dime of it, the Palestinians.
Arafat and his cronies were never about liberation and autonomy.
We can only hope that with him gone and the money up in the air, the roost will be cleared and Sharon will choke on something. After that maybe the Palestinians will have their own State and the wall will come down.
Nieninque
11-09-2004, 12:10 PM
They said on the radio just now that he has a brain haemorrage (sp?) and that the process of succeeding him can begin now if four Palestinian Doctors can certify as being unable to function (they said it a little more articulately than that, but what the heck)
Ilvane
11-10-2004, 11:00 PM
Arafat is really dead now.
-A
he just died of a mysterious blood disorder officials believe to be AIDS.
Latrinsorm
11-10-2004, 11:29 PM
I know it's not nice of me, but I was very angry that CBS decided to broadcast this news over the last 5 minutes of CSI: NY. Would he have been any less dead 5 minutes later at the 11:00 news? :no:
Ravenstorm
11-10-2004, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Ilvane
Arafat is really dead now.
C: Now that's what I call a dead Palestinian.
O: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!
C: STUNNED?!?
O: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Palestinian Blues stun easily, major.
/Python
Raven
HarmNone
11-10-2004, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
he just died of a mysterious blood disorder officials believe to be AIDS.
Exactly which officials are we talking about here, Stanley? I have seen no legitimate news source verifying that Arafat's death was the result of AIDS. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Latrinsorm
I know it's not nice of me, but I was very angry that CBS decided to broadcast this news over the last 5 minutes of CSI: NY. Would he have been any less dead 5 minutes later at the 11:00 news? :no:
:lol:
Wait, that did suck. I was watching it too.
:sniffle:
Originally posted by HarmNone
Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
he just died of a mysterious blood disorder officials believe to be AIDS.
Exactly which officials are we talking about here, Stanley? I have seen no legitimate news source verifying that Arafat's death was the result of AIDS. :rolleyes:
I dunno, I hear chat rooms are a logistical source of information...logistical...
HarmNone
11-11-2004, 02:13 AM
Heh. Lordy, Lordy, Stanley. If that's where you're getting the information that you're going to depend on to get you through life.....
Awww, nevermind. :whistle:
Ravenstorm
11-11-2004, 02:19 AM
On the one hand, his "mysterious illness" reminds me a lot of Rock Hudson.
On the other hand, there would be few better ways of trying to discredit him.
In either case, he is 78 and that's above the average male life span even in the US. I'm assume it's even lower there. People do get old and die as their body shuts down. C'est la vie.
Raven
HarmNone
11-11-2004, 02:25 AM
What they're describing sounds like multiple organ system failure. That can be caused by any number of things other than AIDS. Poison is one.
TheRoseLady
11-11-2004, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by Latrinsorm
I know it's not nice of me, but I was very angry that CBS decided to broadcast this news over the last 5 minutes of CSI: NY. Would he have been any less dead 5 minutes later at the 11:00 news? :no:
I blame Dan Rather....
Parkbandit
11-11-2004, 08:16 AM
About fucking time he died.
Rot in hell Arafat.
StrayRogue
11-11-2004, 10:37 AM
He's dead now, and his illness hasn't been made a secret by our media. Not sure about yours. Ah well, looks like the Palestines lost perhaps their greatest spokesmen for equal rights in regards to the tyranny of the Israeli's.
Mistomeer
11-11-2004, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by StrayRogue
He's dead now, and his illness hasn't been made a secret by our media. Not sure about yours. Ah well, looks like the Palestines lost perhaps their greatest spokesmen for equal rights in regards to the tyranny of the Israeli's.
Yes, and the Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade have lost their number 1 terrorist funder and planner.
Fuck him, may he rot in hell with all the suicide bombers he sent.
Originally posted by Ravenstorm
There's some speculation that his "mystery illness" might be AIDS. Apparently, there are some rumors he might be bi and may have contracted it a while back during his more promiscuous days.
Raven
[Edited on 11-9-2004 by Ravenstorm]
Please what a load of crap. Well you know the old saying a thief thinks everyone else is a thief.
Originally posted by Mistomeer
Originally posted by StrayRogue
He's dead now, and his illness hasn't been made a secret by our media. Not sure about yours. Ah well, looks like the Palestines lost perhaps their greatest spokesmen for equal rights in regards to the tyranny of the Israeli's.
Yes, and the Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade have lost their number 1 terrorist funder and planner.
Fuck him, may he rot in hell with all the suicide bombers he sent.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
May he rest in peace.
Ravenstorm
11-11-2004, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Well you know the old saying a thief thinks everyone else is a thief.
Damn, you mean David Frum (one of Bush's political cronies) is also into guys? And the people who publish the Israeli newspaper in which the article appeared?
Raven
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Ravenstorm
There's some speculation that his "mystery illness" might be AIDS. Apparently, there are some rumors he might be bi and may have contracted it a while back during his more promiscuous days.
Raven
[Edited on 11-9-2004 by Ravenstorm]
Please what a load of crap. Well you know the old saying a thief thinks everyone else is a thief. Actually this has been rumored for quite some time now and Raven, Im sure, is not the first to hear of it. Who can know the validity of a rumor such as this as most have been out to discredit him for a long while now, with good reason, dating back to his PLO days.
Mistomeer
11-11-2004, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Mistomeer
Originally posted by StrayRogue
He's dead now, and his illness hasn't been made a secret by our media. Not sure about yours. Ah well, looks like the Palestines lost perhaps their greatest spokesmen for equal rights in regards to the tyranny of the Israeli's.
Yes, and the Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade have lost their number 1 terrorist funder and planner.
Fuck him, may he rot in hell with all the suicide bombers he sent.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
May he rest in peace.
Yes, fighitng to free all the innocent cilvilians in pizza cafes by blowing them away with a suicide bomber is very noble.
/sarcasm
Originally posted by Ravenstorm
Originally posted by xtc
Well you know the old saying a thief thinks everyone else is a thief.
Damn, you mean David Frum (one of Bush's political cronies) is also into guys? And the people who publish the Israeli newspaper in which the article appeared?
Raven
I know David Frum I have met Frum. David is the son of Barbara Frum who was a reporter in Canada. David Frum is Jewish and pushes his Israel at all costs agenda on both sides of the border. He was a speechwriter for Bush and it is rumoured he coined the phrase “Axis of Evil” for Bush. David had been part of a unite the right movement in Canada to unite our Conservative and Reform parties. Eventually the parties merged but Frum was removed from the equation because parties on all sides disliked him. Now occasionally he has been given a forum to speak on Canadian Television for Global News owned by now dead Izzy Asper who also owns the National Post. Izzy was also Jewish and a known hater of the Palestinian people. He had publicly made many racist comments. Nice try quoting Frum, man is a rapid dog and has an agenda, hardly an objective source.
Ravenstorm
11-11-2004, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Nice try quoting Frum, man is a rapid dog and has an agenda, hardly an objective source.
Did I call him an objective source? Or did I instead use the terms "rumor" and "speculation"? I brought him up merely to speculate that he might be gay or bisexual, as per your supposition since he is one of those making the claims.
Raven
Originally posted by Ravenstorm
Originally posted by xtc
Nice try quoting Frum, man is a rapid dog and has an agenda, hardly an objective source.
Did I call him an objective source? Or did I instead use the terms "rumor" and "speculation"? I brought him up merely to speculate that he might be gay or bisexual, as per your supposition since he is one of those making the claims.
Raven
David does seem a little light in the loafers
to quote Seinfeld "not that there is anything wrong with that"
[Edited on 11-11-2004 by xtc]
HarmNone
11-11-2004, 01:46 PM
Hee! I haven't seen the term "light in the loafers" used in ages! :rofl:
Interesting to get a take on Frum from someone who has met him, xtc. Thanks for the insight. :)
Originally posted by xtc
David does seem a little light in the loafers That doesn't have much to do with, keywords: rumor and speculation.
Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Originally posted by xtc
David does seem a little light in the loafers That doesn't have much to do with, keywords: rumor and speculation.
It does when you consider that a thief thinks everyone else is a thief
[Edited on 11-11-2004 by xtc]
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Originally posted by xtc
David does seem a little light in the loafers That doesn't have much to do with, keywords: rumor and speculation.
It does when you consider that a thief thinks everyone else is a thief
[Edited on 11-11-2004 by xtc] By that logic, it takes one to know one. You know what I mean.
Originally posted by HarmNone
Hee! I haven't seen the term "light in the loafers" used in ages! :rofl:
Interesting to get a take on Frum from someone who has met him, xtc. Thanks for the insight. :)
I was just kidding David doesn't seem light in the loafers at all. I did find him to be an arrogant prick.
Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Originally posted by xtc
David does seem a little light in the loafers That doesn't have much to do with, keywords: rumor and speculation.
It does when you consider that a thief thinks everyone else is a thief
[Edited on 11-11-2004 by xtc] By that logic, it takes one to know one. You know what I mean.
Yes I met David at a very gay function a unite the right movement. The merging of two right wing parties.
It was a joke.
Derailed thread, demerits for me, darkelvoid, and even Harm None lol
HarmNone
11-11-2004, 01:57 PM
Hee! Doesn't take much to derail me, xtc. I've got the attention span of a cricket! :D
Originally posted by xtc
Yes I met David at a very gay function a unite the right movement. The merging of two right wing parties.
It was a joke. Hardy har har... the dry humor was lost. My bad, you seemed serious.
Parkbandit
11-11-2004, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by xtc
It does when you consider that a thief thinks everyone else is a thief
Why the FUCK do you have to drag me into this??
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Originally posted by xtc
It does when you consider that a thief thinks everyone else is a thief
Why the FUCK do you have to drag me into this??
Sorry PB when I think of gay thieves you are the first person that comes to mind
longshot
11-11-2004, 05:44 PM
xtc, I find it laughable that you support a cause that brainwashes retards to blow themselves up to kill innocent people.
May he rot and hell, and maggots shit all over that fucking headscarf.
Originally posted by longshot
xtc, I find it laughable that you support a cause that brainwashes retards to blow themselves up to kill innocent people.
May he rot and hell, and maggots shit all over that fucking headscarf.
I don't recall ever saying that. What I said was one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
From your posts and racist rhetoric I would deduce you dislike Arabs. Did one steal your girlfriend?
[Edited on 11-11-2004 by xtc]
Betheny
11-11-2004, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by longshot
xtc, I find it laughable that you support a cause that brainwashes retards to blow themselves up to kill innocent people.
May he rot and hell, and maggots shit all over that fucking headscarf.
I don't recall ever saying that u racist prick
I hope you realize that using 'u' rather than 'you' totally invalidates any arguement you may or may not have had.
Originally posted by Maimara
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by longshot
xtc, I find it laughable that you support a cause that brainwashes retards to blow themselves up to kill innocent people.
May he rot and hell, and maggots shit all over that fucking headscarf.
I don't recall ever saying that u racist prick
I hope you realize that using 'u' rather than 'you' totally invalidates any arguement you may or may not have had.
Kind of like misspelling argument?
Betheny
11-11-2004, 05:52 PM
hey, I have an excuse. My brain is full of more important things, like C18 columns and HPLC methods.
You.... can't even spell 'you'. STFU.
Originally posted by Maimara
hey, I have an excuse. My brain is full of more important things, like C18 columns and HPLC methods.
You.... can't even spell 'you'. STFU.
I am aware how to spell you. I didn't realise job demands impeded your ability to spell argument.
Betheny
11-11-2004, 05:55 PM
You can't spell realize.
Again. I feel an STFU coming in your direction.
Originally posted by Maimara
You can't spell realize.
Again. I feel an STFU coming in your direction.
Realise is the correct British spelling. I am surprised you didn't know that.
Betheny
11-11-2004, 05:59 PM
Who cares about Britain?
Originally posted by Maimara
Who cares about Britain?
It is called the English language for a reason.
Betheny
11-11-2004, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Maimara
Who cares about Britain?
It is called the English language for a reason.
You're worse than Parkbandit. At least Parkbandit has redeeming qualities, you're just kind of... Whatever the fuck it is you are.
Nieninque
11-11-2004, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Maimara
Who cares about Britain?
Ahem
Betheny
11-11-2004, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Nieninque
Originally posted by Maimara
Who cares about Britain?
Ahem
MY POINT EXACTLY.
jk.
Originally posted by Maimara
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Maimara
Who cares about Britain?
It is called the English language for a reason.
You're worse than Parkbandit. At least Parkbandit has redeeming qualities, you're just kind of... Whatever the fuck it is you are.
LOL you are funny. You started because I used internet speak u instead of you. You have added nothing of quality to this thread.
PB is a great contributor to Player's Forum he is my favorite redneck :)
Betheny
11-11-2004, 06:05 PM
WE ARE NOT AMUSED.
[Edited on 11-11-2004 by Maimara]
Betheny
11-11-2004, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Maimara
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Maimara
Who cares about Britain?
It is called the English language for a reason.
You're worse than Parkbandit. At least Parkbandit has redeeming qualities, you're just kind of... Whatever the fuck it is you are.
LOL you are funny. You started because I used internet speak u instead of you. You have added nothing of quality to this thread.
PB is a great contributor to Player's Forum he is my favorite redneck :)
I have plenty to add, I just choose not to.
PS, I don't give a fuck what you think. :)
Originally posted by Maimara
WE ARE NOT AMUSED.
[Edited on 11-11-2004 by Maimara]
Funny you don't look like a Windsor.
Betheny
11-11-2004, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Maimara
WE ARE NOT AMUSED.
[Edited on 11-11-2004 by Maimara]
Funny you don't look like a Windsor.
Thank God.
CrystalTears
11-11-2004, 06:10 PM
OMG do you two have to hit a certain word count everyday? :lol:
Betheny
11-11-2004, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by CrystalTears
OMG do you two have to hit a certain word count everyday? :lol:
I'VE BEEN GONE, GIVE ME A BREAK.
Originally posted by CrystalTears
OMG do you two have to hit a certain word count everyday? :lol:
I guess we are both guilty of being posting whores today
Originally posted by Maimara
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Maimara
WE ARE NOT AMUSED.
[Edited on 11-11-2004 by Maimara]
Funny you don't look like a Windsor.
Thank God.
Now that was funny
Betheny
11-11-2004, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by CrystalTears
OMG do you two have to hit a certain word count everyday? :lol:
I guess we are both guilty of being posting whores today
speak for yourself. I'm not a whore in any way shape or form.
Originally posted by Maimara
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by CrystalTears
OMG do you two have to hit a certain word count everyday? :lol:
I guess we are both guilty of being posting whores today
speak for yourself. I'm not a whore in any way shape or form.
Ok I will rephrase, you have posted many times today, posts of little or questionable value.
CrystalTears
11-11-2004, 06:22 PM
Member of the Day is xtc with 53 posts
xtc is the bigger whore! Now shaddap both a yous! You're gonig to make Arafat roll over in his freshly dug grave :lol:
^ lame attempt to stay on topic
Betheny
11-11-2004, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by CrystalTears
Member of the Day is xtc with 53 posts
xtc is the bigger whore! Now shaddap both a yous! You're gonig to make Arafat roll over in his freshly dug grave :lol:
^ lame attempt to stay on topic
Yeah, I was gonna say, I've only posted maybe ten times, so putting me even in the same group as that post whore is a little crazy.
CrystalTears
11-11-2004, 06:27 PM
Oh my initial comment was because you two were just going back and forth in this thread about silly shit. I thought it was just disturbingly funny is all.
xtc is the only I really thought was just in this mood to respond to nearly everything in certain threads today.
HarmNone
11-11-2004, 06:32 PM
Let's get back on topic, please. I'm too sick, and too tired, to have to delete all these garbage posts. I beg of you...please. :(
Tsa`ah
11-11-2004, 06:33 PM
Ok I will rephrase, you have posted many times today, posts of little or questionable value.
Dare I comment?
longshot
11-11-2004, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by xtc
I don't recall ever saying that. What I said was one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
From your posts and racist rhetoric I would deduce you dislike Arabs. Did one steal your girlfriend?
[Edited on 11-11-2004 by xtc]
I dislike any culture that blames another for it's pathetic state, rather than look inward and realize that they make zero effort to improve the condition of its own people.
The Palestinian's fit this... they go well beyond administering blame, and kill innocent civilians through terrorism.
And no... 'rabs didn't steal any of my girlfriends.
I don't date girls who would be enticed to run off with Makmar Fuckbar just because he owns a Shell station.
Israel will always exist. Get used to it.
I understand your pride must be badly damaged. It's tough to see that after so much violence, nothinig has come of it. To see so many stupid people that can only eat UN food and make bombs. That's a pretty sorry legacy to live up to.
Xtc, you can contribe to your "charities" that build Hamas "schools" to get the next kid to strap up. You can support the accumulation of hatred that feeds the bombers. I will continue to buy computers with Intel chips made in Israel, and cheer for Ben Rothlisberger.
It's gotta be rough for you... living in a time where education, democracy, and a skilled workforce win out over poor, uneducated people who's only cause in life is to destroy something that they themselves could NEVER create.
This is the sorry state of your people... I kinda understand why you're pissed.
But blaming jews isn't going to do shit. That's why I think you're pathetic.
Originally posted by longshot
Originally posted by xtc
I don't recall ever saying that. What I said was one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
From your posts and racist rhetoric I would deduce you dislike Arabs. Did one steal your girlfriend?
[Edited on 11-11-2004 by xtc]
I dislike any culture that blames another for it's pathetic state, rather than look inward and realize that they make zero effort to improve the condition of its own people.
The Palestinian's fit this... they go well beyond administering blame, and kill innocent civilians through terrorism.
And no... 'rabs didn't steal any of my girlfriends.
I don't date girls who would be enticed to run off with Makmar Fuckbar just because he owns a Shell station.
Israel will always exist. Get used to it.
I understand your pride must be badly damaged. It's tough to see that after so much violence, nothinig has come of it. To see so many stupid people that can only eat UN food and make bombs. That's a pretty sorry legacy to live up to.
Xtc, you can contribe to your "charities" that build Hamas "schools" to get the next kid to strap up. You can support the accumulation of hatred that feeds the bombers. I will continue to buy computers with Intel chips made in Israel, and cheer for Ben Rothlisberger.
It's gotta be rough for you... living in a time where education, democracy, and a skilled workforce win out over poor, uneducated people who's only cause in life is to destroy something that they themselves could NEVER create.
This is the sorry state of your people... I kinda understand why you're pissed.
But blaming jews isn't going to do shit. That's why I think you're pathetic.
You are jumping to delusions. I am not a Palestinian, Arab, nor a Muslim. There was a time when Jews were equally looked upon with the same disdain. That attitude was wrong then and it is wrong now.
What is pathetic is your obvious fear of these people. Your insecurity becomes more obvious with each post.
I have met many Palestinians; they were Engineers, Doctors, Chemists, and Pharmacists. Many more are currently studying in Universities around the world.
You obviously have no knowledge of the history in the region.
Regarding Intel they also have offices in Hong Kong, Puerto Rico, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Argentina, and Australia to name a few.
I fail to see what a Jewish QB has to do with this conversation but hey cheer for anyone you want.
I am guessing it is your pride that must be in tatters, as you express such anger on these boards. You must be very dissatisfied with your life.
Regarding self sustainability. Israel receives around $6 Billion per year from the US Government alone in foreign aid. They also receive a lot of money from Christian evangelical groups around the world.
I have never contributed to a terrorist group in my life nor would I.
My contention is that the camps created after the 6 day war, Gaza and The West Bank, should be an autonomous self governed state.
Regarding my pride it is well intact. I hold a Masters degree from a first rate University. When I graduated I went to work for AT Kearney. Now I work as a Director in a smaller management consulting firm in which I have part ownership. My income would put me in the top tax bracket in the USA. So nothing is rough for me. Additionally the world is becoming sympathetic to the Palestinian plight so my happiness increases.
Now run along and vent your anger somewhere else.
[Edited on 11-12-2004 by xtc]
Parkbandit
11-12-2004, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Maimara
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Maimara
Who cares about Britain?
It is called the English language for a reason.
You're worse than Parkbandit. At least Parkbandit has redeeming qualities, you're just kind of... Whatever the fuck it is you are.
:wtf: :sniffle:
Parkbandit
11-12-2004, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by xtc
PB is a great contributor to Player's Forum he is my favorite redneck :)
Just because I hunt, live in Florida and voted for Bush does NOT make me a redneck. I'm actually far from it.
You fucking Canadian, beer guzzling, socialist, shitty healthcare system using, walrus blubber eating, stain.
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Originally posted by xtc
PB is a great contributor to Player's Forum he is my favorite redneck :)
Just because I hunt, live in Florida and voted for Bush does NOT make me a redneck. I'm actually far from it.
You fucking Canadian, beer guzzling, socialist, shitty healthcare system using, walrus blubber eating, stain.
tsk tsk PB I think you need some demerit points lol.
Shitty health care system? What are you talking about we have one of the finest in the world.
Walrus blubber man you really are a redneck. That reminds me of the guys who show up at the border with guns so they fight off the injuns lol.
Fucking Canadian. Yeah as much as I can lol.
Damn rednecks lol
Parkbandit
11-12-2004, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Originally posted by xtc
PB is a great contributor to Player's Forum he is my favorite redneck :)
Just because I hunt, live in Florida and voted for Bush does NOT make me a redneck. I'm actually far from it.
You fucking Canadian, beer guzzling, socialist, shitty healthcare system using, walrus blubber eating, stain.
tsk tsk PB I think you need some demerit points lol.
Shitty health care system? What are you talking about we have one of the finest in the world.
Walrus blubber man you really are a redneck. That reminds me of the guys who show up at the border with guns so they fight off the injuns lol.
Fucking Canadian. Yeah as much as I can lol.
Damn rednecks lol
Your assumption that because I live in Florida and voted for Bush.. thus making me a redneck.. deserves 49 demerit points due to being completely off base.
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Originally posted by xtc
PB is a great contributor to Player's Forum he is my favorite redneck :)
Just because I hunt, live in Florida and voted for Bush does NOT make me a redneck. I'm actually far from it.
You fucking Canadian, beer guzzling, socialist, shitty healthcare system using, walrus blubber eating, stain.
tsk tsk PB I think you need some demerit points lol.
Shitty health care system? What are you talking about we have one of the finest in the world.
Walrus blubber man you really are a redneck. That reminds me of the guys who show up at the border with guns so they fight off the injuns lol.
Fucking Canadian. Yeah as much as I can lol.
Damn rednecks lol
Your assumption that because I live in Florida and voted for Bush.. thus making me a redneck.. deserves 49 demerit points due to being completely off base.
My apologies, what is it that make you a redneck? :)
Parkbandit
11-12-2004, 01:16 PM
I hate xtc.. you should too.
Originally posted by Parkbandit
I hate xtc.. you should too.
PB no love?
CrystalTears
11-12-2004, 01:28 PM
I'd like xtc a little if he would just stop quoting an entire quoted post to say one line. :cry:
Nieninque
11-12-2004, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Maimara
Originally posted by Nieninque
Originally posted by Maimara
Who cares about Britain?
Ahem
MY POINT EXACTLY.
jk.
OMFG :cry:
Parkbandit
11-12-2004, 01:38 PM
:)
Parkbandit
11-12-2004, 01:50 PM
Great site for Arafat Cartoons if you are interested:
Arafat Cartoons (http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ayc4israel/pc.htm)
longshot
11-12-2004, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by xtc
I hold a Masters degree from a first rate University. When I graduated I went to work for AT Kearney. Now I work as a Director in a smaller management consulting firm in which I have part ownership.
Okay... that's an impressive background.
But, how is it that you, having a brain, can believe that a hardcore terrorist like Arafat is a "freedom fighter"?
This I don't get.
I understand the perspective issue...
Yes, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
But this guy fucked over his entire people... took their money... gave them shit... and just had a whole bunch of people killed on both sides of the conflict.
If he was such a great leader, I don't think people would say that his death brings, "hope".
Mistomeer
11-12-2004, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by longshot
Originally posted by xtc
I hold a Masters degree from a first rate University. When I graduated I went to work for AT Kearney. Now I work as a Director in a smaller management consulting firm in which I have part ownership.
Okay... that's an impressive background.
But, how is it that you, having a brain, can believe that a hardcore terrorist like Arafat is a "freedom fighter"?
This I don't get.
Being educated and being informed don't necessarily go hand in hand.
Originally posted by longshot
But, how is it that you, having a brain, can believe that a hardcore terrorist like Arafat is a "freedom fighter"?
This I don't get.
If he was such a great leader, I don't think people would say that his death brings, "hope".
I disagree with the killing of innocent civilians Israeli or Palestinian.
I think without Arafat that the plight of the Palestinian people would never have been heard. Since the 6 day war these people have lived in camps without many basic human necessities. Terrorism is a terrible thing but it works.
Arafat had to juggle many things. In the west we see Hammas as a terrorist group but in Palestine they are worshiped. Arafat had many bosses to please America, the UN, Hammas, Israel, and the Palestinian people.
Yes many papers have written that now that Arafat is dead there is hope for a peace process. I hope they are right but I doubt it. I believe Sharon is also an impediment to peace.
BTW In my opinion that was one of your best posts. No insults, no racial slurs. You asked an honest question, thank you.
[Edited on 11-12-2004 by xtc]
Tsa`ah
11-12-2004, 07:09 PM
The only thing Arafat had to juggle was how much of the aid money would go to buy strap on bombs, how much would go to his non-Arab wife, and how much he would keep for himself. The only role the Palestinians have ever filled would be bomb carriers.
The Palestinians live in squalor while he bank rolls the aid meant for them.
Fuck him and fuck you.
[Edited on 11-13-2004 by Tsa`ah]
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