Out with McNabb in with Vick

[Widgets]

Well, the Eagles have now just signed Mike Vick....Discuss

[waywardgs]

Underground eagle fighting?

[Euler]

I feel for Mcnabb. I can't imagine how that feels. You think the NFL teams would be like family, but it turns out to be so dog eat dog.

[nub]

McNabb has absolutely NOTHING to worry about, and I wouldn't if I was him. I mean seriously... how in the hell would he start, they are obviously picking him up only for wild cat or trick plays or w/e. It's not that big of a deal...

What I was telling my brother a month back or so, I always thought in the back of my head eagles would be the best place for him to go.

Reason: eagles fans are the most rude and abnoxious, if PETA goes there to try to fuck with vick, they will die.

[Gan]

LOL @ the PETA crack.

[kookiegod]

He's gonna get eaten alive there by fans.

Empty seats, protests, chants (who let the dogs out!!! who who!!)

Horrid decision by management, this guy isn't getting a second chance anytime soon. He is a lousy human being, and gonna be rightfully villified.

~Paul

[nub]

How can you by anti-liberal but care so much about dogs

[Gan]

He'll be villified until he makes the big play, gets the big win, etc. Then he'll be a hero and the past will remain the past.

I do see his theme song being "who let the dogs out", especially if he turns hero. Afterall, its such a catchy tune.

[Androidpk]

How can you by anti-liberal but care so much about dogs

Because dog meat is delicious.

[Parkbandit]

How can you by anti-liberal but care so much about dogs

Because conservatives are dog haters?

Personally, I think Vick has done his time for his crime.. and while I find the reported acts he performed on dogs repugnant (and only someone who literally is missing something that makes us human could have done what was said) I don't think it's right we should stop him from being a member of society and gaining wilful employment.

[Jayvn]

I don't know if I ever mentioned this on PC before or not..

My mom has MS, she was donated a service dog to help her around and stuff.... The dogs name is Vick..the Irony being that Michael Vick sponsored him, 25 grand to train the dog.

[Gan]

Uniform for Vick when Philly decides to suit up retro:

http://www.fotosearch.com/bthumb/PDS/PDS132/200393249-001.jpg

[Paradii]

He's gonna get eaten alive there by fans.

Empty seats, protests, chants (who let the dogs out!!! who who!!)

Horrid decision by management, this guy isn't getting a second chance anytime soon. He is a lousy human being, and gonna be rightfully villified.

~Paul

Empty seats my ass. Apparently you don't know philadelphia fans at all.

[kookiegod]

We'll see how it goes down...

And as a dog lover and owner, I think he should have been shot in the back of the head.

~Paul

[nub]

We'll see how it goes down...

And as a dog lover and owner, I think he should have been shot in the back of the head.

~Paul

I don't think he stole people's pets from them.

[Fallen]

Anyone know how much he got in the deal?

[Widgets]

I think he'll end up replacing Kolb, but that's just my hunch.

McNabb won't be going anywhere since him and Vick are in the same contract.

[Stunseed]

< Anyone know how much he got in the deal? >

Vick's agent, Joel Segal, told NFL.com's Steve Wyche that the Philadelphia Eagles signed the three-time Pro Bowl quarterback Thursday. A league source told NFL Network's Jason La Canfora that the Eagles gave Vick a one-year, $1.6 million contract with a team option exceeding $5 million for a second year.

[Gan]

Fresh out of prison and 1.6 million contract.

Nice.

[Skeeter]

good for him. He did his time.

[Sean]

I'm pretty sure he only gets to keep 100k or so of that money the rest going to his creditors.

I also have no problem with him being back, all the philly fans I know are shocked though that he ended up going there.

[inso]

Was at the game tonight (Eagles/Pats) so I got the word on the Vick signing late. But people are anything but pissed, heh. Eagles have had two ACL tears, 4+ injuries on their offensive line, and their #2 QB is out with an injury.

The fans are looking towards anything for hope.

[Anebriated]

As a diehard Eagles fan I am both surprised and intrigued by the move. I didnt think we'd be the team to pick him up. He does add an interesting element with the wildcat as popular as it is now. I think its also a move to add insurance in the event McNabb happens to get injured. We have the injury bug in our camp right now and we'd be even more screwed than we already are if he went down.

As for Philly fans not filling seats.... the only time that happens is at 76ers games. Seriously I cant remember the last time the Eagles, Phillies or Flyers didnt have a packed house.

Philly is one of the few places that can support the Vick PR hit imo. People hate us as it is, this is just another reason.

edit: McNabb was one of the Vick supporters for those of you thinking he will take offense to this move.

[Rimalon]

I'm calling it... Week 9, McNabb goes down for the season, Vick steps in, Eagles go to the Superbowl (and lose to the Pats, history must repeat itself).

I would shoot myself if this happened, so it must.

[Mateius]

The eagles need to pick up my twin threat system. If anyone is interested I can try to post some plays.

I coached a JV hs team in college and we had two ridiculously talented QBs so I came up with the system which won us the league title. It's basically a modified flexbone two QBs in the backfield.

formation looks like this: (ignore the periods, i had to use them to make it look right)
.oooxooo
o..........o
.....qq

Lefty & righty QB with speed. 90% run, mostly option. Obviously I'm joking about the eagles adopting it because the speed of the NFL will have your QBs in the training room but it was awesome at the HS level.

[inso]

PETA is trying to spam the Eagles official boards, it's pretty funny.


PETA and millions of decent football fans around the world are disappointed that the Philadelphia Eagles have chosen to sign a man who hanged dogs from trees, electrocuted them with jumper cables, held them underwater until they drowned in his swimming pool, and even threw his own family dogs into the fighting pit to be torn to shreds while he laughed. What sort of message does this send to young fans who care about animals and don't want to see them be harmed? PETA certainly hopes that Vick has learned his lesson and feels truly remorseful for his crimes--but since he's given no public indication that that's the case, only time will tell. At this point, all Eagles fans can do is cross their fingers and hope that they won't ever have to explain to their sons and daughters what a "rape rack" is and why their favorite player was using one, as Falcons fans once had to.

Responses to that thread (they have a filter for vulgarity on those boards heh):

Who cares about PETA.
F PETA
Screw PETA, they are a bunch of freakin hypocrits.
PETA are the same people who compared a serial killer (in Canada) who was killing women to a farm that kills animals for food.
F PETA with a dirty D I C K.
Man F....PETA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ps: STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
all i know is that every last PETA member better be a Vegan
Oh....and F PETA!
PETA can go shove it.
I think the sooner people realize that PETA is a fringe radical organization that speaks for no one.
I can't wait to see what happens to the protesters at Eagles games.
PETA is like Green Terrorists.
Eff PETA.

etc.

[ZeP]

People are so far apart on this guy that its almost like a human study. I once knew someone in an aprtment near a turkey farm type thing where they would have like hundreds (thousands?) of them shackled up before Thanksgiving and they'd be slaughtered. The only complaint by people in the area was the smell afterward.

[Geshron]

Good for Mike. I agree with PB. Yes, I do. Good for Philly too, always a fun team to watch so cool they got another scrambler.

[Willington]

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I'm calling it... Week 9, McNabb goes down for the season, Vick steps in, Eagles go to the Superbowl (and lose to the Pats, history must repeat itself).

I would shoot myself if this happened, so it must.

Not going to happen.....Steelers are repeating!

[Mateius]

Fuuuuuck PETA. I dont know if you guys ever watch whale wars but I wanna see those fuckers get shot at. What's fucked up is that donte stallworth kills a man and gets less jail time.

[kookiegod]

As a diehard Eagles fan I am both surprised and intrigued by the move. I didnt think we'd be the team to pick him up. He does add an interesting element with the wildcat as popular as it is now. I think its also a move to add insurance in the event McNabb happens to get injured. We have the injury bug in our camp right now and we'd be even more screwed than we already are if he went down.

As for Philly fans not filling seats.... the only time that happens is at 76ers games. Seriously I cant remember the last time the Eagles, Phillies or Flyers didnt have a packed house.

Philly is one of the few places that can support the Vick PR hit imo. People hate us as it is, this is just another reason.

edit: McNabb was one of the Vick supporters for those of you thinking he will take offense to this move.

Hey...

I can definitely respect you for supporting the city and teams, cause I am a New England fan and sufferered for years with the Celtics sucking post 80s, the Sox blowing it in 86, ditto for the Patriots.

Only been the last 5 years we got our respect back, Sox finally winning the World Series, Celtics bought the NBA championship, and a few Superbowl wins.

I just dunno on Vick, I think the negative PR on Vick is gonna be HUGE.

We'll see...

~Paul

[AnticorRifling]

Vick didn't kill anyone did he?

[Trouble]

What's fucked up is that donte stallworth kills a man and gets less jail time.

Vick was charged with multiple state and federal felonies.

Stallworth was convicted of second degree manslaughter, not murder.

And yes, the Philly fans will have a grand time with Vick, whether they approve or disapprove of him. They are amongst the most vocal and destrcutive football fans I routinely run into here in DC.

[Parkbandit]

I think Vick will be fine in Philly... I can't think of a single place he would be more accepted and forgiven than in Philadelphia.

[inso]

I think Vick will be fine in Philly... I can't think of a single place he would be more accepted and forgiven than in Philadelphia.

At least until he throws a pick, fumbles or otherwise manages to screw something up.

Though on the flipside, there will be massive chants of "Start Vick" as soon as DMac does any of those things, heh. There were yesterday already- although I hadn't gotten a text/update apparently a significant number had.

[waywardgs]

What it comes down to is this: Vick was fun to watch. Football is entertainment, it must be entertaining or advertisers wouldn't bother to sponsor it. While Vick's crimes were atrocious, the fact is that if he puts on a show, people will watch. Especially since he's such a controversial figure. They may watch hoping that he fails, they may watch to see his amazing athletic abilities- whatever the reason, the point is that they will watch. I'm betting that the NFL advertisers are secretly thrilled that he's back in the game. No press is bad press, right?

[Parkbandit]

No press is bad press, right?

I'm sure the press coverage of Vick taking a dog's head and smashing it onto the pavement until it was dead would pretty much debunk that saying.


At least until he throws a pick, fumbles or otherwise manages to screw something up.


Yea.. I didn't address anything football related when I said Philadelphia was probably the best place for him to land.

[Anebriated]

I think Vick will be fine in Philly... I can't think of a single place he would be more accepted and forgiven than in Philadelphia.

sadly this is true.

[Warriorbird]

I think it'd be awesome if he gets taken out, 'The Birds' style, by angry dogs.

[LMingrone]

I hope they try that wild-cat shit with the Giants and Osi f's him up. (As if NY wasn't fearing the Eagles already.)

[graysun]

To get an athlete of Vick's caliber for 1.6m is a steal IMO. Even just as an insurance policy, or for situational use.

I don't understand all the outrage in Philly, and am shocked that Goodell said he could be fully reinstated by week 6.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I hope he gets a career ending injury in training camp. Then I hope he dies one of the horrible deaths he inflicted on his dogs. You know, electrocution, hanging, beating, drowning... any of those will do.

Normal people don't do that shit. Fuck him, and any organization that associates themselves with him.

[Anebriated]

I understand why people dont want him back in the league and agree what he did was terrible. I also think that he served his time, the commish said he could play again so let the man play. They should keep him under the microscope for awhile and make sure hes being true to his word and staying out of trouble but as a football player I cant argue against him signing somewhere. Didnt think or want that to be Philly but since hes here I'll take it. We get another playmaker to add to McNabb, Westbrook, Jackson and the rookies Maclin and McCoy who have both looked great so far... Thats a LOT of speed. Even Leonard Weaver(FB) is a fast little fucker.

[Xanator]

I hope he gets a career ending injury in training camp. Then I hope he dies one of the horrible deaths he inflicted on his dogs. You know, electrocution, hanging, beating, drowning... any of those will do.

Normal people don't do that shit. Fuck him, and any organization that associates themselves with him.

Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about Ray Lewis, the Baltimore Ravens, Leonard Little, and the St. Louis Rams? I own pets and value their lives and well-being, but I do have to consider human life paramount.

Leonard Little, who was convicted in a DUI manslaughter, served only 90 days in prison. He received no NFL suspension by virtue of playing in the Tagliabue era.

Ray Lewis skated with a misdemeanor obstruction of justice conviction in exchange for testimony against his friends in a double-homicide. He similarly received no NFL suspension, and later returned to the world of lucrative endorsement deals.

Michael Vick, meanwhile, served 18 months in prison, will be suspended by the NFL, and was driven into bankruptcy. I'm not going to rush to judgement re: your stance here, since there's a chance you want to see Leonard Little crushed beneath the wheels of a Lincoln Navigator, or Ray Lewis stabbed multiple times and left to slowly exsanguinate. I get the extremely heinous nature of Vick's crimes. I am as incensed as a lot of people. It was an evil, premeditated thing to do. But I'm completely satisfied with the punishment he's received, feel that he's paid his debt to society, and have no problem with him returning to his profession.

Should he be allowed to attend veterinarian school or work the counter at an animal shelter? Absolutely not. I guess I'm totally missing the point of the American legal and penal systems if he should be condemned to live outside of society for the rest of his life. If he does it again, sure. But if he turns out to be a genuinely rehabilitated and matured human being, what is it that makes the rest of us want to see him punished further? He should've just run down a pedestrian, or something.

[Skeeter]

I agree that Vick's crimes were horrible. The man lost 2.5 years of his life and is bankrupt. I think that's enough.

Hopefully he has grown up, and GL to him.

[Xanator]

I'm also getting pretty tired of Goodell's hard-ass approach to meting out justice to players with off-field issues. It's a little bit strange that Michael Vick served a prison sentence eighteen times longer than Donte Stallworth's (he RECEIVED a 24-month sentence), but will receive less than half his NFL suspension length.

I'm assuming this is because of previous instances in the league similar to Stallworth's, and that the desire to make an example out of him exists. Same approach the courts took with Michael Vick, incidentally. It lines up with my feeling that a crime that results in the loss of human life should be considered a more serious offense, but if it's good enough for the judicial system...?

[Androidpk]

From what i've read and heard, even though Stallworth was over the limit he wouldn't have been able to do anything differently as the guy just ran out in front of his car. It isn't like he planned on running over and killing that person. What Vick did was deliberate though.

[DoctorUnne]

I heard the Vick news while watching the Patriots Eagles game but I was too busy watching Brady and the Pats offense look like 2007 and having an orgasm.

Steelers repeat? Don't make me laugh. Only if Brady goes down for the year again like last year. What is their record against Brady? 0-50? Their two Super Bowls came in years where they didn't have to go through the Patriots.

[Xanator]

From what i've read and heard, even though Stallworth was over the limit he wouldn't have been able to do anything differently as the guy just ran out in front of his car. It isn't like he planned on running over and killing that person. What Vick did was deliberate though.

There's a little bit of a weird, contradictory aspect to Stallworth's story. He has admitted that he "flicked his lights" at the pedestrian, but then somehow only had two seconds to react as far as slamming on his brakes. But he was drunk, and chose to operate a vehicle while illegally intoxicated. Whether he killed anyone or not, he committed a willful and deliberate crime--NOT an accident, mistake, misunderstanding, etc.--when he got behind the wheel in the first place.

[SHAFT]

He's gonna get eaten alive there by fans.

Empty seats, protests, chants (who let the dogs out!!! who who!!)

Horrid decision by management, this guy isn't getting a second chance anytime soon. He is a lousy human being, and gonna be rightfully villified.

~Paul

He's done his time. Lighten up.

For those of you trying to compare Stallworth's and Vick's cases against one another, you can't. 2 different time frames, 2 different crimes, 2 different sets of circumstances. There is zero point in comparing the 2.

[nub]

I hope he gets a career ending injury in training camp. Then I hope he dies one of the horrible deaths he inflicted on his dogs. You know, electrocution, hanging, beating, drowning... any of those will do.

Normal people don't do that shit. Fuck him, and any organization that associates themselves with him.

Luckily, a good amount of people don't share the same opinion as you do, or our world would be worse off than it is.

Don't you think it's better to educate these people to show them what they are doing is wrong? I am sure he is not going to do that again, if he does, then you can say his punishment wasn't enough.

I just hope you've never done anything wrong ever in your life.

[Daniel]

I, for one, laughed my ass off @ the who let the dogs out chant idea.

I think that's brilliant.

[Parkbandit]

I, for one, laughed my ass off @ the who let the dogs out chant idea.

I think that's brilliant.

It sure was... back 10 years ago.

[Daniel]

It sure was... back 10 years ago.

In reference to Michael Vick...

[Parkbandit]

In reference to Michael Vick...

I got it.. it was just so 2000.

[SHAFT]

I hope he gets a career ending injury in training camp. Then I hope he dies one of the horrible deaths he inflicted on his dogs. You know, electrocution, hanging, beating, drowning... any of those will do.

Normal people don't do that shit. Fuck him, and any organization that associates themselves with him.

Don't be such an emotional bitch. Women are emotional, not men.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Luckily, a good amount of people don't share the same opinion as you do, or our world would be worse off than it is.

Don't you think it's better to educate these people to show them what they are doing is wrong? I am sure he is not going to do that again, if he does, then you can say his punishment wasn't enough.

I just hope you've never done anything wrong ever in your life.

So repeatedly, over time, abusing, torturing and killing a living feeling animal isn't enough for you?

People that do that don't rehabilitate. They wait for the next victim.

Comparing his premeditated and savage butchery and slaying of animals to manslaughter via DUI or the like isn't quite the same thing. I don't think those players should be allowed to perpetuate their careers win the NFL either, but Vick should be working a gas station, not some role model for sports fans.

I've made mistakes in my life, but I've never intentionally hurt anything. You are trying to draw some analogy with making a mistake and killing who knows how many dogs over time in a brutal fashion. While I'm sure you'd like it to be the same thing, it very clearly isn't.

[Latrinsorm]

On the other hand, there are certainly people who did awful, shameful things as children but grew up to be responsible and worthwhile members of society. Vick was neither biologically nor legally a child, but in the sports world especially people can take a very long time to mature.

I'm not saying he should be excused, just that he probably shouldn't be executed.

[nub]

So repeatedly, over time, abusing, torturing and killing a living feeling animal isn't enough for you?

People that do that don't rehabilitate. They wait for the next victim.

Comparing his premeditated and savage butchery and slaying of animals to manslaughter via DUI or the like isn't quite the same thing. I don't think those players should be allowed to perpetuate their careers win the NFL either, but Vick should be working a gas station, not some role model for sports fans.

I've made mistakes in my life, but I've never intentionally hurt anything. You are trying to draw some analogy with making a mistake and killing who knows how many dogs over time in a brutal fashion. While I'm sure you'd like it to be the same thing, it very clearly isn't.

Not even a fly, ant? Where is YOUR line drawn?

"People that do that don't rehabilitate. They wait for the next victim."

Has that been proven? If that is the case, that no one has ever turned their life around, then I guess I'll back off and agree with you.

[Xanator]

I've made mistakes in my life, but I've never intentionally hurt anything. You are trying to draw some analogy with making a mistake and killing who knows how many dogs over time in a brutal fashion. While I'm sure you'd like it to be the same thing, it very clearly isn't.

Once again, getting behind the wheel drunk is not a "mistake." It's an irresponsible decision, but one that isn't made on accident. The loss of human life isn't changed by the fact that the driver was drunk, and his/her inebriation was likely not forced on him/her by some strange set of circumstances, so that's a conscious decision a person makes. I don't mean to presume anything about you, but I have to imagine you haven't lost anyone very close to you to a drunk driver; otherwise, I don't think you'd be valuing canine life higher in this scenario. That's a crime just as easily preventable as what Vick and co. did, so I don't see why it's any more excusable.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Not even a fly, ant? Where is YOUR line drawn?

"People that do that don't rehabilitate. They wait for the next victim."

Has that been proven? If that is the case, that no one has ever turned their life around, then I guess I'll back off and agree with you.

My line is drawn when a person makes a concious decision repeatedly to inflict pain on a another organism simply because they want to. They only reason Vick stopped was because he got caught, not because his morals dictated it. Where is your line drawn?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Once again, getting behind the wheel drunk is not a "mistake." It's an irresponsible decision, but one that isn't made on accident. The loss of human life isn't changed by the fact that the driver was drunk, and his/her inebriation was likely not forced on him/her by some strange set of circumstances, so that's a conscious decision a person makes. I don't mean to presume anything about you, but I have to imagine you haven't lost anyone very close to you to a drunk driver; otherwise, I don't think you'd be valuing canine life higher in this scenario. That's a crime just as easily preventable as what Vick and co. did, so I don't see why it's any more excusable.

I don't see why you keep coming back to drunk driving, but ok. I already said I don't think they should be allowed to play again. I also don't see where you draw the conclusion I value canine life over a human in that scenario.

[Parkbandit]

On the other hand, there are certainly people who did awful, shameful things as children but grew up to be responsible and worthwhile members of society. Vick was neither biologically nor legally a child, but in the sports world especially people can take a very long time to mature.

I'm not saying he should be excused, just that he probably shouldn't be executed.

Actually, you just excused him. Poor little boy of only 25 years old was never taught that taking a dog's head and bashing it against a brick wall is wrong. He's a victim!!

I hope that a term of Vick's release was that he has to stay 30 feet away from any animal for the rest of his life.

[Anebriated]

I heard rumors out of Eagles camp that they have created a new formation to utilize Vick's talents. They are calling it "doggystyle".

[DCSL]

Don't be such an emotional bitch. Women are emotional, not men.

Ahahahahahahaha. I think this is my favorite part of the whole thread.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Not even a fly, ant? Where is YOUR line drawn?


And since you like to use extreme examples to try and support your shitty argument I'll even answer this. I don't mind putting down a dog, a fly, an ant, a cat, a fuzzy bunny, a horse or whatever you want to say - so long as there is a reason for it.

Before you over analyze "reason", by that I mean it's sick, dying, a pest, good eats, makes glue... and whatever the reason, the process should be humane and quick. Nothing should be made to intentionally suffer.

Vick did none of that. He abused, hurt, neglected and then repeatedly killed those dogs in a non-humane fashion. He's the animal and undeserving of a million dollar contract, addoration of any fan. If he hadn't been caught he'd still be doing it. He shouldn't be a high profile sports figure anymore. In my book, he blew that opportunity and should now live the rest of his life paying for it.

[Xaerve]

RE: "Live the rest of his life paying for it."

He did his time. Its time for everyone to move on. I hope he can learn from his mistakes and become a better person through it all; I wish the guy, like any other criminal released after they served their time only the best.

Companies can evaluate if they want him to be a "high profile sports figure" and sign him to various endorsements.

[Xanator]

I don't see why you keep coming back to drunk driving, but ok. I already said I don't think they should be allowed to play again. I also don't see where you draw the conclusion I value canine life over a human in that scenario.


I hope he gets a career ending injury in training camp. Then I hope he dies one of the horrible deaths he inflicted on his dogs. You know, electrocution, hanging, beating, drowning... any of those will do.

^^

[Latrinsorm]

Actually, you just excused him.Consider, if you will, the following two possibilities:

1) I am incapable of remembering my own thoughts long enough to avoid making manifest contradictions in a post.
2) You may have misunderstood what I said.

[Parkbandit]

Consider, if you will, the following two possibilities:

1) I am incapable of remembering my own thoughts long enough to avoid making manifest contradictions in a post.
2) You may have misunderstood what I said.

I'll go with:

3) You are a raging moron.

Here is where you excused his behavior... I've bolded the part you should pay particular attention to:


On the other hand, there are certainly people who did awful, shameful things as children but grew up to be responsible and worthwhile members of society. Vick was neither biologically nor legally a child, but in the sports world especially people can take a very long time to mature.


If you don't agree with 3.. then I suppose you should refer back to your own #1.. but that didn't do you the justice you deserved.

[LMingrone]

What would one do with a Vick jersey to get rid of it? I don't want to just trow it in the trash, but it's been sitting in my closet since his incident. It was a gift from my mom, so before I didn't want to throw it out. But, now that he's on the fucking Eagles, I need a creative way to get rid of this damn thing.

[Xanator]

FEED IT 2 UR DOGZ LOLOLOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Latrinsorm]

Here is where you excused his behavior... I've bolded the part you should pay particular attention to:I suppose if you gloss over the part where I described his behavior as both "awful" and "shameful", then yes, it might sound that way. Another conceivable route to your conclusion would be if you ignored the discussion leading up to my post entirely.

You don't feel at all silly telling me what I meant when I have specifically corrected you twice?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Once again, getting behind the wheel drunk is not a "mistake." It's an irresponsible decision, but one that isn't made on accident. The loss of human life isn't changed by the fact that the driver was drunk, and his/her inebriation was likely not forced on him/her by some strange set of circumstances, so that's a conscious decision a person makes. I don't mean to presume anything about you, but I have to imagine you haven't lost anyone very close to you to a drunk driver; otherwise, I don't think you'd be valuing canine life higher in this scenario. That's a crime just as easily preventable as what Vick and co. did, so I don't see why it's any more excusable.


^^

How the fuck do you keep comparing drunk driving with my thoughts that someone who repeatedly abuses animals in the fashion Vick did should experience the same thing as his victims did. Fuck, if someone repeatedly drunk drives and kills people, I'm ok with them getting the same too.

I guess I value an animals life over a sadist. You got me! OH NOES! In those two particular examples yes I'd save the innocent victims were I able, be they human or not.

[Anebriated]

What would one do with a Vick jersey to get rid of it? I don't want to just trow it in the trash, but it's been sitting in my closet since his incident. It was a gift from my mom, so before I didn't want to throw it out. But, now that he's on the fucking Eagles, I need a creative way to get rid of this damn thing.

Well when Terrible Owens left Philly we decided his jersey would best serve as a doormat. We ended up just putting it overtop our current doormat and stitching it up so it would stay.

[nub]

How the fuck do you keep comparing drunk driving with my thoughts that someone who repeatedly abuses animals in the fashion Vick did should experience the same thing as his victims did. Fuck, if someone repeatedly drunk drives and kills people, I'm ok with them getting the same too.

I guess I value an animals life over a sadist. You got me! OH NOES! In those two particular examples yes I'd save the innocent victims were I able, be they human or not.

That is not what you're saying though... you're saying because he did those things he should be put to death the same way he hurt/killed dogs. He's not hurting killing dogs now, he's not a threat to society anymore. If he does do it again and you go in there and try to stop him and in the process he gets killed that's a different arguement.

Valueing one life over another doesn't matter if you're not preventing something inevitable from happening.

Killer whales don't eat penguins, but they do kick them in the air with their tails for fun killing them in the process. They are not doing it for food, they are doing it for fun, should those killer whales be killed?

(same applies to cats)

[nub]

My line is drawn when a person makes a concious decision repeatedly to inflict pain on a another organism simply because they want to. They only reason Vick stopped was because he got caught, not because his morals dictated it. Where is your line drawn?

I don't think people should kill dogs and what he did was horrible. I think my line is drawn somewhere around insect to the next higher up.

I don't believe someone should be killed for it. I think they should be taught and be punished for it, for how long I don't know.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That is not what you're saying though... you're saying because he did those things he should be put to death the same way he hurt/killed dogs. He's not hurting killing dogs now, he's not a threat to society anymore. If he does do it again and you go in there and try to stop him and in the process he gets killed that's a different arguement.

Valueing one life over another doesn't matter if you're not preventing something inevitable from happening.

Killer whales don't eat penguins, but they do kick them in the air with their tails for fun killing them in the process. They are not doing it for food, they are doing it for fun, should those killer whales be killed?

(same applies to cats)

You are getting a little literal. I'm exagerating for emphasis. I do not literally hope he gets drown, beaten, shived, thrown to the ground repeatedly until he's dead... like he did the dogs. I DO literally think he should not be playing professional football.

Do killer whales know they are killing the penguins? How do you know it's fun to them?

Cats do kill mice, it's instinct to them. Are you staying Vick instinctually kills dogs?

[Parkbandit]

I suppose if you gloss over the part where I described his behavior as both "awful" and "shameful", then yes, it might sound that way. Another conceivable route to your conclusion would be if you ignored the discussion leading up to my post entirely.

You don't feel at all silly telling me what I meant when I have specifically corrected you twice?

You didn't correct me.. in fact, it's quite the opposite.

I'm surprised you still don't get it.. given that I even bolded the part where you excused his behavior as simply immaturity.

Then again, I shouldn't be surprised by your failure as it happens so frequently here.

[Xanator]

You are getting a little literal. I'm exagerating for emphasis. I do not literally hope he gets drown, beaten, shived, thrown to the ground repeatedly until he's dead... like he did the dogs. I DO literally think he should not be playing professional football.

Do killer whales know they are killing the penguins? How do you know it's fun to them?

Cats do kill mice, it's instinct to them. Are you staying Vick instinctually kills dogs?

Heh, so now you were exaggerating all along. Hey, man, it's fine, and like I said, I'm as much an animal lover as the next guy. But you opened with the statement that you wanted to see Michael Vick killed in interesting ways, and all you could muster for the Leonard Littles and Donte Stallworths of the world was that they shouldn't be playing pro football. And you also never addressed Ray Lewis, who by a lot of accounts either actually killed or was complicit in the killing of two of our fellow humans. You seem much more passionate about the guy who was killing dogs, and willing to dismiss the guys who ran down pedestrians as people who made li'l mistakes.

[nub]

You are getting a little literal. I'm exagerating for emphasis. I do not literally hope he gets drown, beaten, shived, thrown to the ground repeatedly until he's dead... like he did the dogs. I DO literally think he should not be playing professional football.

Do killer whales know they are killing the penguins? How do you know it's fun to them?

Cats do kill mice, it's instinct to them. Are you staying Vick instinctually kills dogs?

Well unfortunately you exagerrating is how other people feel, which is why I couldn't tell if you are being serious or not.

So I have nothing to argue about. Though I guess what do you think Vick should be allowed to do? What's the maximum amount he should be allowed to make? You know there are tons of people/businesses whom he owes money. Should they also have to suffer because there are PETA freaks out there who say "oh well".

[nub]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4423883

lol this is awesome, it's going to be NAACP vs PETA

[Trouble]

Asked about Michael Vick, Goodell said the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback is "making the right kind of progress." Goodell said he will consider Vick for full reinstatement to the NFL by no later than Week 6 of the regular season.

"A lot of those issues I'm focusing on are off the field. How is he dealing with the transition? Does he have his family relocated? Does he have the right people around him helping him make decisions?" Goodell said. "Tony Dungy's been incredibly helpful. Donovan McNabb's been helpful. I talk to Michael on a weekly basis, if not more. I'll be meeting with him again sometime in the near future. ... He's focused on the right things."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/fbn_goodell_blackouts

The article also says how many teams will be having coverage blackouts because of low ticket sales.

[Atlanteax]

[URL]The article also says how many teams will be having coverage blackouts because of low ticket sales.

Easy fix ... lower the prices of tickets.

[Anebriated]

Well it is mostly the fault of the small market teams who built ridiculously large stadiums. Jacksonville is the perfect example. If they had built a smaller stadium they wouldnt have a problem filling up the % required to see games locally on TV. Instead they build a larger stadium without the fan support for it and screwed their fan base out of a NFL team(Jags are my LA pick). I am curious about the cowboys new stadium too. It will make my day to see a Cowboys game get blacked out because they couldnt fill their new enormous stadium.

[Stunseed]

Even after covering 10k seats, Jax still can't fill a stadium. Sad. Yet Detroit is bankrupt city and they can.

( My choice is eventually Jax goes to London, and they'll try to get Minn to LA as that team has more exposure. )

[Anebriated]

Its one reason why I LOVE being an Eagles fan. I cant remember last time a blackout was mentioned with one of our home games.

[Latrinsorm]

Even after covering 10k seats, Jax still can't fill a stadium. Sad. Yet Detroit is bankrupt city and they can.

( My choice is eventually Jax goes to London, and they'll try to get Minn to LA as that team has more exposure. )Football in Europe still makes no sense. I would hope they move one of the more recent (less entrenched) teams to LA, but what they should really do is contract by 2-4 teams.

[Anebriated]

I agree with Latrin, no team should move to europe.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Football in Europe still makes no sense. I would hope they move one of the more recent (less entrenched) teams to LA, but what they should really do is contract by 2-4 teams.

Maybe then they'll finally start calling Soccer by it's proper name.

[Stunseed]

I agree with Latrin, no team should move to europe.

It's not what I WANT in the slightest. I personally think the Jax should volunteer to play in London to alleviate the ticket sales issue for a game. I feel the same way about the Bills and Toronto.

I'd kinda like to see Jax try an Orlando game as well, but that's the Homer voice.

[Latrinsorm]

Nike resigns Michael Vick for untold millions of dollars... only in America! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4520896)

[Revalos]

He only murdered dogs for fun...sheesh guys, why can't we just let bygones be bygones? He totally paid his debt to society by going to jail for a few months and sending a couple bucks to the SPCA.

It isn't like he did something despicable like drug and rape a 13 year old girl...which...under the right circumstances...also isn't really that bad...as long as you have some kind of talent and a cash settlement to make up for it, AMIRITE?

I wish the damn Redskins would have signed him so I could truly hate them instead and have an excuse to root for a real team like Baltimore. Of course...then we can't forget good ole Ray Lewis who murdered someone and no one cares anymore because enough money changed hands. There really is no way around it. Fame trumps just about anything.

[landy]

Vick served two years, the law only allows for a maximum of five. Be mad at the justice system, not at someone who served a full sentence and was released.