Help with a complicated neighbor relationship.

[DCSL]

The upstairs neighbors we have right now, we've had for about half a year. So there are another six months or so that this can escalate and I'm trying to avoid that. Here's the damage. It's long.

They're three kids, college age although not actually in school. Juggalos. Lots of pot. One of them's on lithium for bi-polar. They have a dog named Malakai, a little shiba inu mix. My big dog, Sparta, meets this dog and Malakai immediately attacks her. Just ferocious. Well, that's fine, it's not like they have to interact.

Malakai has other problems, though. They like to keep all their windows open all the time. Constantly. When they're home, when they're not. Always. And he barks. Anytime anyone passes by, he'll throw himself at the screen door on their patio until he tears it (it's been repaired a few times now) and he scrambles to squeeze under their railing to get at whoever's down there. Luckily, when the humans are actually home, they can control his barking and it's pretty quiet. Other than occasional loud parties they throw and some guitar playing afterhours. I ignore that stuff and just put earplugs in to sleep.

It's just that the walls of our apartment complex are thin and with their windows all open, it's hard to muffle the noise. The neighbors next to them upstairs on both sides get pissed and complain to the management but the kids don't do anything about it. I don't complain about it because it's not early in the morning or late at night and hey, there're prices to pay for living in a community. Instead, they get a second dog, also a shiba mix, named Ruka.

One time, on a walk with Sparta, I see Ruka racing towards us, trailing her leash. Her owner lost hold of her and he's running fifty feet behind her. I think, "Oh, I'll catch his dog for him!" No worries about me having to chase her, she leaps straight at us and onto my dog, who is perhaps three times her size, and starts biting her all over. I think the only reason there wasn't a fight was because I had control of my dog.

We both went back to our respective apartments but I go upstairs later to check on them and make sure their dog is okay. She is. We sit with them for a couple of hours, getting to know them, my boyfriend helps them with their guitars. It all seemed coo'.

Until Sparta became a problem. Now she goes crazy when she thinks the neighbors' dogs are outside. If we open the door to go out, she will rush it and occasionally she manages to slip out. She attacks their dogs now. I can't really blame her, but it's a really bad behavior because she's so much more powerful than them and could do some serious damage. To a human too, if they were to try to get between her and them, and the neighbors do that.

So Sparta escaping has happened three times over the months. After the third time, I sent my boyfriend upstairs to check on their dog again and they yell at him, saying it's not okay, don't say sorry, et cetera. I understand their anger. Their dog was in danger after all. They send him back downstairs with his ears ringing. So I decide that we're going to enclose Sparta in the kitchen when we leave with a baby gate. She'll get over it at some point when we're gone but it'll give us a chance to leave without her getting out.

The next morning, we immediately get a call from the apartment management. Apparently, our upstairs neighbors told her that we're letting our dog out on purpose without a leash. No, no. I correct that and tell the lady what's happened and she's cool with it, saying accidents happen. I told her my decision of the previous night to put Sparta in the kitchen and she says, great. I'm kind of pissed by this point because they could have come to us to ask what we're going to do about it instead of going to management, but I let it go. Even though we've never complained about anything they do, or their crazy dogs.

Whatever. We just avoid each other now. No saying hi anymore when we pass, no exchanging food, no nothing. I just look outside first before I even take my dogs for a walk, just in case they're out there already. but now they're getting even more crazy.

At least a couple of times a week now, I'm woken up past midnight by something they're doing up there. Yelling, dropping heavy things right over our bedroom. Last time, a couple of days ago, it was playing their guitars and singing at the top of their lungs right over our bedroom again. With the windows open. I mean, I could make out the individual words. It began with a Jason Mraz song. That "Over the Rainbow" rip-off song is now the song that I commit murder to in my dreams. I mean, it goes on for an hour and I don't get back to sleep until after two a.m. I kept pressing the pillow over my head and thinking, "Just hold on for one more song. Just a little while longer. Surely they realize that it's not an appropriate time for this. SURELY." Eventually, it required the ear plugs again.

Tonight, I got to hear the girl shrieking at her dogs through an open window getting them to shut up. They've also taken to stomping on the floor three times whenever my boyfriend closes our front door. Yeah, I understand that they can hear it. Like I can't hear it when they close their door? I can. It's a momentary sound, for fuck's sake, not anything prolonged. Just. A. Door.

So why don't I just get these kids kicked out of the complex? I'm sure I could. They probably have enough complaints on their record that I could add enough that they'd no longer be welcome. But the thing is that we have a pit bull. Yeah, she's a "boxer mix" on record thanks to my connections at the vet's office but anyone who has ever seen a pit bull would know damn well what she is. Of course, they're not allowed at our complex.

For the record, we hadn't planned on getting her. She was kind of dropped on my lap and I couldn't just let her get put down just for her breed when she's a very sweet girl, so I took her. And we're in the midst of looking for a house of our own in an area of town without anti-breed legislation so we can be all nice and legal with her but it probably won't happen until early next year.

Anyway, they know we have a pit bull. If we so much as look at them wrong, they could easily tell management and.. I'm not sure what would happen. We'd have to get rid of the dog or be evicted? I guess. I could probably find a friend to take the pit for a while but it would be temporary and it would be on my record with apartment complexes, I'm sure.

I could be all clever about it and have my friend hold the dog BEFORE I made the complaint and then when the management checks I can show them my apartment, no holds barred, and say, "See? No pits here!" With my best innocent look, of course. But then I'm sure they'll watch me more closely afterward. And, honestly, a lot of the maintenance people have seen me with the pit. They've petted her, played with her, probably know what she is. They just haven't told on me 'cause they're nice and they seem to see she's pretty harmless. And they haven't had any official complaints, so nothing to act on.

So, my problem, if you've read this far, is that I want our upstairs neighbors to get a fucking grip. I don't really trust myself to go up there and talk to them face to face because I have a really bad temper. It's a lot better than it was when I was younger, but it still gets away from me from time to time and I would prefer it not be THIS time. Which is why I usually make my boyfriend do the talking in these situations, because he's extremely laid back and easygoing. I don't think that'll do at this point because he loses verbal fights with alarming frequency and I don't trust to his dubious eloquence to make our point.

But even besides the pit bull thing they hold over our heads, I don't want to go to management because I hated it when they did it to me. I would have preferred they came to me. It'd be hypocritical of me to do the same thing, right?

What should I do? Write them a letter? Complain to management after all? Some incredibly clever option I haven't thought of?

[kookiegod]

Hmmm, kinda screwed if you don't go to management.

The rule is generally, you have a right to 'quiet enjoyment' and if you're not getting it, got a right to complain.

So two options...

One, you go to them, bring a pan of brownies, sit down and talk it out and let bygones be bygones and build a new relationship and fix all the issues, not only you with them, but them with you, be prepared for a little criticism your way.

Two, you go to management with a laundry list of complaints, dates and times, and demand something be done.

Always a third option, a 9mm pistol, but 20 years in jail kinda sucks, so I'd stick with 1 or 2. :)

~Paul

[The Ponzzz]

Yeah, what you described is why I could never go back to apartment life (or condo) ever again. You need to document everything, time, date, incident every time something happens. And bring it to their attention (management). I personally wouldn't go with Paul's first option, as these kids seem immature. If they were adults, I would go up there with a bottle of wine and try to hash it out.

I had a similiar issue, except I was the person on the top floor and they felt like we were slamming around, so they would pound on the ceiling and blare music at all hours of the day. Any time I slid the sliding glass doors open, they would throw a fit. Personally, I'd move out and look for a duplex.

[radamanthys]

Any confrontation and they'll escalate. They want a confrontation. Go to management now, it's better to have this stuff on record.

Get a tape recorder or some-such device.

[DCSL]

I'd like to go up and talk it out with them but I'm not sure who I'd get if I go up there. One of the guys is crazy laid back. Very nice. Seems high or drunk most of the time. The other guy is 'whipped, but nice. The girl is the one on lithium and she swings the gamut of personality. The time we spent a couple of hours with her, she seemed pretty cool but that may have been a really good time. I mean, I hear her shrieking at the guys so often...

Truthfully, I'm not sure how well I can rein in my temper if she starts shrieking at me and getting all abusive like I hear her be with the boys. I could take her, easy, buuuuuuut.. that'd be a bad idea, I'm sure. I really don't want it to get anywhere near that far. A calm discussion would be fine, even with criticism my way, if I thought it was a real possibility.

I thought the writing a letter thing would be good just because it gives us each a chance to think over our responses and make sure it's civil. No?

I do look forward to moving. Oh yes. I wish it were sooner, but it can't be. I had too many sudden costs that took chunks out of my savings. It was all covered just fine but it made it difficult to really mount an acceptable down payment on a house. Early next year, maybe late first quarter, will have to do.

[Tisket]

I've had loud neighbors before and not once did asking nicely work to lessen the noise they made. Not one time. Maybe you'll be lucky though and the people who have shown a marked lack of concern for your peace already were just actually waiting for you to verbalize your dissatisfaction. But don't hold your breath.

I'd complain to management and request they not mention where the complaint originated from. You could just say you are worried about repercussions (scratched car paint, mysterious flat tires, etc.)

[The Ponzzz]

Don't write the letter, it looks good on paper (PUN!!!) but it never works. Management, management, management!

[Tisket]

I thought the writing a letter thing would be good just because it gives us each a chance to think over our responses and make sure it's civil. No?


No. It's confrontational.

[diethx]

I honestly can't give better advice on what to do to solve the problem than anyone else here, especially since I can't even get my skeksi of a landlord to keep her goddamn dog inside at night, instead of running around my house barking from midnight until 6am.

Anyway, next time they're making a shitton of noise in the middle of the night, can't you just call the cops? Cuz i'm pretty sure that shit isn't allowed after a certain hour.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

As far as the Pit thing goes, you don't truly have to worry. She's marked as a Boxer Mix, and that is all that may get checked if they pull out the "she's got a pit bull!" bullshit, which is exactly what it is (I deplore anyone willing to see an animal potentially put to sleep because they enjoy douche baggery so much).

I think you should either go to management, or next time they're really loud, call the cops on them for disturbing the peace.

[Stanley Burrell]

Invite me over. I'll accidentally trip up a flight of steps, land in front of their door, stumble through it, and wildly collect myself while I inadvertently smash all the pieces of their belongings that look like they cost more than twenty bucks in their home.

[Ker_Thwap]

Ask to move to a different apartment in the complex, barring that move.

[Kuyuk]

Fuck all that - you should make some fucked up kinky beastiality porn.

And post it on zootube365.com

From all the money you would make from it, you could buy your own place.

Win-win situation as they call it. We get to watch you take it from a pup, and you get to move out!



K.

[AnticorRifling]

Do you have paperwork from the vet saying the dog is a boxer mix?

If yes => Call the cops the next time it's 1AM and they are being retarded. The report will make it's way to management. Repeat as needed. Cops won't say who complained, just that there was a complaint. If they're leaving their windows open to get rid of the smell of weed or whatever when the cops come by they might get lucky and catch them smokin.

If no => Get paperwork from your vet connection. Goto yes.

[NocturnalRob]

Goto yes.
I'm confused! Make a flowchart!

[War Angel]

I'd go with Pauls option #1.
Only, invite them down to your place. (without their dogs) Your turf, your comfort zone, and if it gets ugly, you can ask them to leave.
Cook dinner, offer them a drink and set some clear rules and boundries as to how you all can collectively deal with the issue of the dogs. After that has been addressed, assuming it goes well, bring up the noise factor. Let them know you can't sleep. Having been a top floor apartment resident, if you don't tell them, they probably think that you aren't bothered by it or can't hear them.
If this fails, go to management.

Edit:
Don't write a letter. I have learned from watching Judge Judy that letters get you wtfpwned always.

[Warriorbird]

Management. Why? You said the phrase Juggalo. Rationality is lost.

[Mr. Dallas]

I'd go with what Anticor said.

And don't write a letter.

D.

[DCSL]

Okay, no letter. I do have paperwork from the vet with "Boxer mix" typed on it but I just can't see how anyone would really believe it. She looks like a pit bull. I mean, she's got that pit bull smile where they squint their eyes a little and the corners of their mouth go up. Even her gait is pit. Big head, long spine, broader shoulders, thick neck. Pit all the way. The only way someone would believe she wasn't pit was if they'd never actually seen one before. Not even in pictures. I guess I could go with boxer/Staffordshire mix but Staffies aren't any more welcome than pits at the complex, heh.

I don't have all the dates and times written down but I want to establish where I'm coming from soon anyway. I probably can't lodge an official complaint without those. So, if I go to management and say, "Look. This is what's happening. I'm afraid of escalation because it already seems to be getting worse and worse and I just don't want to get into that kind of petty war. I'm not putting in a complaint, I just want you to be aware of what's going on." Do you think that would be alright? Should I point out that we've never had any problems at all with the other two sets of neighbors that have lived above us in the past?

[NocturnalRob]

Don't present it as a problem, but then backpedal by saying "this isn't a formal complaint." Make your complaint. Present examples. Make sure they understand that your neighbors are making your apartment untenable. If this trio has had complaints before, I'm sure there won't be a problem.

[AestheticDeath]

Could have sworn I read this exact thread before already.

But I am confused on the dog. You have a vet friend who lied on paper about what the dog really is, and expect to get away with it(or not)? Or it is a mix, and just looks so much like the pit bull that it is not believable?

[AnticorRifling]

I'm confused! Make a flowchart! I don't have visio on this machine. Suck on some MS Paint!

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[Junarra]

This is what management is for. And I guarantee they've had other complaints. Pounding on the floor everytime you close your door is insane. These kids aren't going to respond to a pleasant sit down, they'll respond to being kicked out of their apartment.

Hopefully you won't wind up with cops involved, but you might, so if they're shrieking and singing in the middle of the night, you should call them too. Cops like to know there were problems before the neighbors threw a brick through your car window, etc etc.

And yes, the fake boxer mix could wind up being a problem, but that lie is on you. At least you sound like a responsible pet owner, rather than letting tiny dogs rule the entire household like they do. Kudos for that.

[DCSL]

Hm, you're right, Rob. It'll be a complaint.

And I'm sure you have read this thread before. Crazy neighbors are an epidemic, I guess.

The dog... The vet's not my friend or anything but I'm closely associated with that clinic so when I first had her put in the computer when she was seven weeks to get her first shots and said, "Uh, boxer mix.. yeah.." they just accepted it at face value. As she's grown, they haven't changed it. I'm pretty sure that it stems from the fact that they love her there and they don't see any harm in her. Or maybe they just don't care. I've not broached the subject with them, although I probably will once I move to my own house, get home insurance, and put her down as a pit mix. I'll pay more for insurance but at least it'll be all nice and legal.

She is a mix, not a purebred pit. In fact, she's only a fourth pit. Mother was a lab, father was half pit, half boxer, according to the crazy mountain man who abandoned the puppies at my workplace. But for whatever reason, none of those other breeds show. She looks complete pit. I was hoping the other breeds would break out when she got older but that did not happen. Pit is apparently a dominant gene, heh. Her sister has the more pushed in nose of the boxer and she's longer in the leg like a lab, but still has obvious pit in her as well.

[AnticorRifling]

Option 3: Go to the mattresses. Obviously burn their house down is out of the question since their floor is your ceiling...but fucking with someone can be a good stress relief if you're good enough to not get caught :)

[Fallen]

It doesn't matter what anyone else says if you have a vet with the paperwork stating your dog is a Boxer mix. You're good to go. Just be careful that your dog is within every other parameter, like papers in general, shots, weight limits, etc.

I love my "boxer mix".

[NocturnalRob]

I don't have visio on this machine. Suck on some MS Paint!
i can now die happy, sir. my thanks to you.


none of those other breeds show
that's because pit bull genetics destroy ALL!!!

[AnticorRifling]

Put a sweater on it, it's impossible to be angry at an animal in people clothes. Fact.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

It doesn't matter what anyone else says if you have a vet with the paperwork stating your dog is a Boxer mix. You're good to go. Just be careful that your dog is within every other parameter, like papers in general, shots, weight limits, etc.

Ditto this.

A lot of mixes end up looking like entirely different breeds all together. I have a friend with a Shih-Tzu mix that looks remarkably like a Westie. And my mix Newton looks a LOT like a whippet/Jack Russell mix, when he has neither of those. All that matters is you have the right papers and everything is in order health wise (shots, etc).

I would also like to put out there that I think breed bans are the absolute dumbest thing evar :(

[ElanthianSiren]

I would also like to put out there that I think breed bans are the absolute dumbest thing evar :(

:yeahthat: Pitties are gorgeous. To that effect, I've never met one that deserved the rep they often get; IMO it's paranoia/stigma stemming from their semi-large size and the fact that people have in the past bred them to fight.

I'd do what others said. Document and complain. You have a very valid reason to complain anonymously also; that chick, when off her meds, is unstable, and you've witnessed that yourself.

[Warriorbird]

It's more owners that're bad. One of our family's best dogs got killed by a pitbull. I still blame the owner.

[Bhuryn]

I have a Shepard-Lab mix that idiots think is a pitbull all the time. He's not even part pitbull.

[AnticorRifling]

I have weiner dogs, they look like weiner dogs.

[NocturnalRob]

Ignoring the sun in my eyes and the faux-hawk and the awesome timbs...I was out in the berkshires with some friends and we went for a walk. About 30 minutes in we came across this shithole of a house. This beautiful rott started barking (defending its home) and running towards us. My friends freaked out and ran away. I was full from lunch and wearing jeans/timbs/sweater, and was definitely not outrunning my IronMan friend or the other people who were already 50 feet away, so I stood my ground and got my arms up to project size and protect my face/neck if necessary. It wasn't. She skidded to a halt right at my feet, ran around me a few times and then started jumping up into my chest. She literally followed us back the 5 miles home. Since we had crossed a few larger roads, we stuck her in the car and drove her back.

<<insert sad part>> I took the dog by the collar and walked her up to the house's front door. When I knocked, this kid of about 5 opened the door. Behind him were, no joke, 8 other kids of around the same age. I smiled at the kid and said, "Hello? I brought your dog back. Is anyone there?" About 45 seconds later, I hear a manatee (assumption) falling down the stairs (another assumption) while screaming "I told you not to open the fucking door!!"

This woman appears all sweaty, buttoning up her blouse (so had either been napping or fucking), and starts pushing kids out of the way to clear a path exclaiming: "What'd you do with my dog?!" I explained what had happened, and her response was, "That's my goddamned dog!" I apologized and left rather than get in an argument.

To this day, I feel sad for those children (daycare center?) and that dog. Because as sweet as she was, I'm sure that a couple years in that environment could only foster anger and malice.

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[Sean of the Thread]

Call the police on a noise complaint when they're jamming and they'll bring a decibel meter. Call the popo or animal control is an option also.

I live in straight up ghetto right now and I get along with all my neighbors although the fucking mexican fiesta everyday blaring gets on my nerves sometimes. I just blast country back at em.

[Drew]

I read this entire thread but have nothing new to add. Still I feel I should get some credit.

[AnticorRifling]

I read this entire thread but have nothing new to add. Still I feel I should get some credit.

Probably best to reference my sick flow chart, you'll get props via proxy.

[The Ponzzz]

That avatar is awesome.

[Methais]

Put this on their door, and put a picture of goatse under it.

http://www.slantmagazine.com/images/camp/cookiemonster.jpg

[Drew]

I don't have visio on this machine. Suck on some MS Paint!

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/anticor/Misc/flowchartforRob.jpg



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[AnticorRifling]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/flow_charts.png
That is now printed out and on my wall.

[Geshron]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/flow_charts.png

totally repped for your avatar.

[Bhuryn]

Ignoring the sun in my eyes and the faux-hawk and the awesome timbs...I was out in the berkshires with some friends and we went for a walk. About 30 minutes in we came across this shithole of a house. This beautiful rott started barking (defending its home) and running towards us. My friends freaked out and ran away. I was full from lunch and wearing jeans/timbs/sweater, and was definitely not outrunning my IronMan friend or the other people who were already 50 feet away, so I stood my ground and got my arms up to project size and protect my face/neck if necessary. It wasn't. She skidded to a halt right at my feet, ran around me a few times and then started jumping up into my chest. She literally followed us back the 5 miles home. Since we had crossed a few larger roads, we stuck her in the car and drove her back.

<<insert sad part>> I took the dog by the collar and walked her up to the house's front door. When I knocked, this kid of about 5 opened the door. Behind him were, no joke, 8 other kids of around the same age. I smiled at the kid and said, "Hello? I brought your dog back. Is anyone there?" About 45 seconds later, I hear a manatee (assumption) falling down the stairs (another assumption) while screaming "I told you not to open the fucking door!!"

This woman appears all sweaty, buttoning up her blouse (so had either been napping or fucking), and starts pushing kids out of the way to clear a path exclaiming: "What'd you do with my dog?!" I explained what had happened, and her response was, "That's my goddamned dog!" I apologized and left rather than get in an argument.

To this day, I feel sad for those children (daycare center?) and that dog. Because as sweet as she was, I'm sure that a couple years in that environment could only foster anger and malice.


This is why I will never return a dog to the owners house. I always make the owner come for their dog. If they don't do it within a few days of when they say they will, the dog gets fixed and finds a new home.

I pick up a lot of strays =).

[Stanley Burrell]

I don't have visio on this machine. Suck on some MS Paint!

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Speaking of which:

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[Proxy]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/flow_charts.png

Win.

Also, I say f' civility and f' mundy procedure. Go straight for their nuts. Hash brownies, beer, what ever. Mend the bridges, get all buddy buddy, make sure they have pot. Even if they don't have pot, get some, use their bathroom and stash a bag in there toilet tank. Then call the cops that night from a pay phone and tell them the stupid f's are dealing out of their apt. Try the Sheriff's Dept before local uniforms. I've always had better luck with them.

They want to act like white trash pieces of sh't. Fine, flush them.

[DCSL]

Heh! Love the charts.

Okay, I went to the office this morning on my way to work. I was right, I couldn't lodge a formal complaint about a specific incident without it being more recent. Like, calling them and talking to them right away during the incident. Or, I guess, leaving a message at the office in the middle of the night.

They were pretty sympathetic about it otherwise. Especially the stupid door thing. They got all huffy and said, "Well, they'll just have to get used to that!" Just told me to call them any time when something happens. I'm not even sure they would believe the kids if they told them we have a pit in here, they seemed so unhappy with them.

[Geshron]

Heh! Love the charts.

Okay, I went to the office this morning on my way to work. I was right, I couldn't lodge a formal complaint about a specific incident without it being more recent. Like, calling them and talking to them right away during the incident. Or, I guess, leaving a message at the office in the middle of the night.

They were pretty sympathetic about it otherwise. Especially the stupid door thing. They got all huffy and said, "Well, they'll just have to get used to that!" Just told me to call them any time when something happens. I'm not even sure they would believe the kids if they told them we have a pit in here, they seemed so unhappy with them.

Living near Juggalo's just sucks all around period. I cannot think of anything worse than baggy jeans, oversized t-shirts, shitty braids and one of the worst musical acts and followings in the history of time behind Phish. At least Phish has real talent. Good luck!

[Clove]

1 steak. 1 teaspoon of salt. 1 ounce of mercury. 1 less neighbor dog.

[Celephais]

1 steak. 1 teaspoon of salt. 1 ounce of mercury. 1 less neighbor dog.
Dogs love salt, they hate cinnamon.

[Clove]

Dogs love salt, they hate cinnamon.Yes. Mixed with an ounce of mercury they'll love it to death.

[AnticorRifling]

Dogs love salt, they hate cinnamon. Tigers love pepper, they hate cinnamon.

[NocturnalRob]

Tigers love pepper, they hate cinnamon.
Black people love watermelon. They hate police.

[ElvenFury]

Cinnamon can go fuck itself. I can't stand cinnamon. It's only palatable when outnumbered 10-1 by sugar.

[Proxy]

1/2 lbs of ground beef, 1/2-1 cup of anti-freeze. easier then the mercury idea any ways, and safer.

[AnticorRifling]

Peanut butter on the end of a rifle is what I've used before. Much faster and more humane than that mercury or anti-freeze shit.

[Proxy]

who cares about humane?

[Some Rogue]

who cares about humane?

Non-psychopaths or people not trying to be an internet tough guy?

[AnticorRifling]

I'll aslo add that I was crying like a bitch too. But given the fact that "I get something in my eye" watching Old Yeller and Where the Red Fern Grows I didn't expect it to be any different when I had to do it.

[Bhuryn]

Or you could be more humane and feed it to the neighbors and spare the innocent dog.

[Liagala]

I'll aslo add that I was crying like a bitch too. But given the fact that "I get something in my eye" watching Old Yeller and Where the Red Fern Grows I didn't expect it to be any different when I had to do it.

Wait... you really did shoot a dog (with peanut butter on the rifle)? When and why?

Edit:

Or you could be more humane and feed it to the neighbors and spare the innocent dog.
Best suggestion of the thread

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

My Dad always said "No matter where you move, there is always an asshole on your block. The trick is in not being the asshole."

Everyone has already said it, just go through the official route and report/complain etc... sounds like you've tried the reasonable approach and they've regressed into stomping their feet and being children.

And PS, if anyone fucked with my dog(s) they better be wearing clean underwear, so they look good for the doctor.

[AnticorRifling]

Wait... you really did shoot a dog (with peanut butter on the rifle)? When and why?

Edit:

Best suggestion of the thread Yes. You don't take animals to the vet to be put down when you're on a farm out in the country. It got hit by a tractor and it needed done.

Did I really use peanut butter? No. That's a running joke I have concerning shooting animals and/ suicide. Peanut butter and a pistol because you want your last meal to be good and everyone loves peanut butter / that way the dog is licking the gun so they don't run and you can't miss. Yes I'm sick, but I'm ok with it.

[AnticorRifling]

My Dad always said "No matter where you move, there is always an asshole on your block. The trick is in not being the asshole."

Everyone has already said it, just go through the official route and report/complain etc... sounds like you've tried the reasonable approach and they've regressed into stomping their feet and being children.

And PS, if anyone fucked with my dog(s) they better be wearing clean underwear, so they look good for the doctor.
Burn their house down!

[Methais]

I have weiner dogs, they look like weiner dogs.

Weiner dogs are the best dogs in the universe and not even God can change that.

[ArkainSkyShroud]

You know any cops? Kinda a fuxxored method but I agree that if these are kids not adults there is only so much to be accomplished by rationalizing with them. I would amass the complaints even going the fictitious route to ensure their removal ie: a GIANT freaking log dating back weeks or months that will demand attention///action. Or perhaps you could offer to pay the break the lease fee if they will just get the fuck out. Are any of them cigarette smokers? Autopsy's rarely check for Nicotine overdose and its easy to make >.<

[Drew]

You know any cops? Kinda a fuxxored method but I agree that if these are kids not adults there is only so much to be accomplished by rationalizing with them. I would amass the complaints even going the fictitious route to ensure their removal ie: a GIANT freaking log dating back weeks or months that will demand attention///action. Or perhaps you could offer to pay the break the lease fee if they will just get the fuck out. Are any of them cigarette smokers? Autopsy's rarely check for Nicotine overdose and its easy to make >.<

So you are recommending killing them via nicotine poisoning (non-fatally of course)?

[ArkainSkyShroud]

yes yes yes Feed em to the pigs! I mean...be reasonable, then do what needs to be done as safely and effectively as possible ::in reality is a pulsing wuss-tard himself:: I think giant log of ficticious///real complaints is prolly the best method, excluding felonious activity.

[grenthor]

Really it boils down to 2 simple choices.

1) Go up and talk to them. Be a calm rational adult. If you don't trust yourself to be able to do this then this may not actually be an option.

2) Go the management/litagation route. This is an ugly route and certainly won't work out "nicely". If you go this route then you have to be petty and bitter and document everything and nitpick and document. Be prepared for retaliation and ugliness before either you or they get kicked out.

That's pretty much it. If you've come this far, trying to just "live with it" most likely won't really be an option because in another 2 months you'll be fed up again and right back where you started with "What can I do?".

So it basically boils down to those 2 options. You just have to choose one.

Good luck.