Multi-Accounting

[StrayRogue]

A hot topic GMs won't touch simply because it damages their coin-purses (Money first, RP second). But what do YOU think on this?

Today I was sat in the Abandoned Home Garden. There were three people there. One would spell the main guy up, the third being used for a mana battery. Main guy would go hunt. Main guy would then return, hand off his chests to his Mana Battery, log out Main Guy, and log in Picker Guy. The transaction was made and this went on. For about three hours.

This pisses me off. Its OOC, it destroys GS both Mechanically and in a sense of Community.

Anyway, thats my opinion (I've heard OTF is pretty impossible without multi-accounts - GO GMS!!).

[Scott]

You should put the option, MAing doesn't matter. I MA, I don't care. It makes it easier for me to get boxes picked when I need them picked, etc. I don't agree with people who actively hunt with 2 characters, IE. Reminion who had a rogue sweep everything for him when he was hunting. MAing with anything BUT hunting is fine by me.....

[TjMaelstrom]

I think MAing is acceptable in moderation. Your example is definately something that's way out of hand, but one extra account for moderate assistance and/or easy item transferring isn't that bad. I know someone who MAs and she RPs both characters very well when they're both around. Just what I think.

[Bobmuhthol]

There's a group that does that. They have virtually the same name, but I can't remember it. It's a titled warrior who tackles for his other character. Their names are one letter apart, and they're constantly in the same room.

[StrayRogue]

I agree it can be OK in moderation. It is so easily abused though. I could have mastered Sweep in a few days if I had a second account to do so. I could up-hunt 20 levels if I had an elder empath bind. The list goes on...

[Chyrain]

I do have two accounts and I've been known to have my empath help out while hunting on occassion...Except, I can't really do it well because switching between the two is tedious and I can't make a script or macro to save my life...

but I do admit that I've done it...and will probably do it in the future, even though I'd rather not. I try not to be too obvious about it around people when I do, though.

In that case, I agree. MAing was bad. However, I know a few people that can play two characters at the same time, and do it quite well. So in my opinion it's alright, as long as it's handled correctly.

[Betheny]

MAing is okay, maybe I sound like a jerk but I think there are acceptable standards for how to treat it. I know MAers whose characters are seperate entities. Nothing wrong with that.

Blatant MAing is for little pusbag retards. I also think it's really stupid to have your 'husband' or 'wife' hunt you while you're gone. I used to come across this same couple in the Fhiorian Village ALL THE TIME, all he'd do is walk around binding stuff so it didn't kill her sissy ass character. I questioned him about it and he goes "I am just protecting my wife, ok?"

[Meos]

heh sometimes it's more fun to interact with yourself then it is to with other people. I crack myself up sometimes the stuff I come up with. I MA with a wizard, then a cleric and a warrior on my other account, they all help eachother ouit from time to time, but I try to keep the hunting together to a minium, if I have a death streak, I'll pull 'em in and have them hunt together. of if I die out in pine in the wee hours, always good to have that cleric around. ya it's cheating, but only a little bit.

[Betheny]

Syyre and Byyre are two 'siblings' that come to mind. The Dreadnaught Trio all have the same last name, some butchered form of 'Dragorts'. There's the 'ravins'... some guy whose characters ALL start with 'sage'.

The only thing I find more annoying than that, is people that don't have another account, but will walk up to your character and say Hey I am so-and-so.

Twixiee did that to me with 'Seaaira.' I was dead, (Twixiee is on Maimara's shit list) and Seaaira raised. Right before she cast, she whispers to me, "You owe Twixiee for this cuz i are her sister" or some craziness like that.

[Bobmuhthol]

Icedraggon and Drakedragon. Drakedragon's last name is something along the lines of Ice'Dragon as well.

[StrayRogue]

Hence why Sodrotordos pissed me off so much. He got nearly 30 levels in a few months thanks to a lvl 70 empath.

[Bobmuhthol]

I used to have level 130+ clerics and empaths bind/frenzy and spell me up. They got bored and wanted something to do.

[StrayRogue]

Its the folk who "need" another account to hunt that ruin the game. Its why Spell Burst was introduced. Its why most spells are self-cast. Fucking losers.

[Betheny]

Loralai. Yeah. She didn't even belong to him, I'm not sure if she even belongs to anyone, I think it was a password they stumbled upon and just started using, and nobody caught on.

I know of a guy that's doing the same thing, he decided to re-join Voln and now he runs around with this little empath in tow, and he sits there and whines and complains about other MA'ers, like he's any better than they are. mastered Voln in something like 2 weeks at level 40, which isn't a feat, except take into consideration he's a wizard, and was hunting Varunar.

[StrayRogue]

Another thing that annoyed me: Yaggie and Yagnuts. One is a ranger, the other a wizard. You guessed it, Yagnuts forages for sticks, logs out, logs in Yaggie, who imbeds, then logs out, Yagnuts back in who then uses them. I have NO problem with this say in privacy. But doing it blatantly really is ignorant. So was getting all pissy when I took one of the sticks he left on the ground.

[Scott]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Its the folk who "need" another account to hunt that ruin the game. Its why Spell Burst was introduced. Its why most spells are self-cast. Fucking losers.

MAing didn't force spell burst. Haashek still gets spells without another account, so do a lot of people. Don't blame self cast on MAing, because that's not the full reason. Self cast SHOULD be in game, and if MAing was to blame for it then..........

GO MA'ERS!

[Bobmuhthol]

It only takes about 1600 kills in Varunar to get enough to master. You can do it in a day if you really work at it. The steps are effortless if you know someone without a deed and someone that will laugh at you on the museum.

[Bobmuhthol]

My other character is Warclaidhm. I fooled you all.

[StrayRogue]

Spell Burst was put into effect to stop Warriors using their Wizard slaves (and friends) tanking up on Strength and Shields. Same applies for nearly every other Defensive spell in that respect. Warriors back then in the Rift were unkillable due to massive DS's and redux.

[Scott]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Spell Burst was put into effect to stop Warriors using their Wizard slaves (and friends) tanking up on Strength and Shields. Same applies for nearly every other Defensive spell in that respect. Warriors back then in the Rift were unkillable due to massive DS's and redux.

What does it matter if a warrior has a wizard slave or not? He still can get spells. It wasn't just MA'ers, it was people like Haashek, Warclaidhm, Drenius who all BEGGED for spells all the time. Either way, thank god for self cast, I hope ALL spells are self cast soon.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I MA, don't see anything wrong with it. I also leveled all the characters myself.

Explain to me how leveling characters myself, even simultaneously, is bad? It's just like two people hunting with each other, no?

[Betheny]

The real question is: If one of your characters hadn't been around, would the other have progressed as well?

If the honest answer is no, which I'm sure it will be, then it isn't a problem.

[Taernath]

I MA mostly because of mana limitations. Wizards have rough spots in their early years, so my other character follows him around (usually hidden or invisible) to send extra during a hunt. I think it's pretty safe to say that nobody knows they're controlled by the same person, especially since they both have distinctly different personalities.

I used to be anti-MA, but I came to realize that this is just a game that we all play to have -fun-, not try to keep up with the Joneses. As long as it isn't obvious that MAing is going on (names that are only 1 letter apart, 'sleeping' characters etc) I have no problem with it.

[AnticorRifling]

I don't think having 2 or more accounts is bad but I do think using one old character two lvl a younger character is. I'm kind of on the middle on the subject. I have 2 accounts on the 1 I have Anticor on the other I have 3 characters a lvl 25 rogue, lvl 12 warrior and a lvl 10 empath. None of my little characters are in the same town as Anticor just so I don't get tempted to take them hunting using Anticor as a haste/ewave/sleep slave.

Most folks know 1 or 2 of my little guys just because I like talking to the same people in the game but I still give them all different personalities. I also hunt one while the other is resting if I'm not engaging some other person in the game it just progresses time faster. I also find that I like to stay in on the latest ranting and raving of WL even though Anticor is in EN I'm just try not to be the guy that hops on the amulet spouting information on an invasion that happened 2 seconds ago on the other side of the mountains.

[imported_Kranar]

I simply think MA is more of a "disease" than anything.

People get dependent on it, dependent to the point where they actually convince themselves that they need to MA in order to hunt. Or that somehow without MAing they can't hunt without having fun.

None of which are true. If you make MAing a habit, then hell yeah, you will need to MA to have fun. But if you make complete independence a habit, or making new friends when you hunt a habit, then you'll see MAing really isn't all that. The game is just too easy to need to MA to do anything.

[Scott]

I do it so my boxes are picked when I want them to so I don't have to spend time waiting. Same for getting a raise, healed (rarely), or bashing or something. I do think using your character to hunt your other character is sad..... not to mention, 90% of the people that hunt their younger characters with another are using a friends account, not their own.

[Scott]

OTF is too crazy to hunt 2 characters, unless your like Snowie and Heartpierced (although I don't know if those 2 are MAing or themselves, either way it's crap.)

[imported_Kranar]

I don't care to change MAing. I just know first hand that MAing isn't even remotely nessecary to hunt and anyone who thinks so should just take some time to research their profession a bit.

MAing I feel, is a result of a self-induced habit. When someone is tired of hunting one thing, based on my actual experience with others, they don't take the time to carefully research a new critter to hunt that fits their profession nicely.

So, instead of just taking a wee-bit of time to do so, one jumps to the conclusion that they need to MA because Gemstone is so unfair and that they can only succeed if they MA.

That line of thought is nothing more than an illusion, but it exists and I can live with that.

[Scott]

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren

Originally posted by Gemstone101
OTF is too crazy to hunt 2 characters, unless your like Snowie and Heartpierced (although I don't know if those 2 are MAing or themselves, either way it's crap.)

You show me two characters that can hunt there. Take me there with 1 and let me watch you. I guarantee I can find a way to hunt them at the same time.

MA hunting is really just a question of knowing the spell lists and relying on macros for only the most basic actions. Some people can do it; some can't. Some people are just hyper. When I hunt in a group, it always drives other people nuts because I can carry full conversations Shoshonna style while I hunt. For a really long time, I was totally against MA'ers, but times change, and I don't care anymore if you're running 8 characters at once.


-Melissa


I'm not saying it's impossible, but I personally would rather have 1 in there. OTF is full of "if this happens you die." There is no stopping death there. I find playing 2 characters in there much harder then 1, especially when a griffin walks in, screams, winds you, then you both die and then you have to hope someone is around to get you. (which is why I prefer to keep 1 out so that one can rescue the other.) It's mostly pointless too. What's the point of binding things if things leap out of hiding anyway? You control the one problem but you can still get ambushed in seconds. It's very possible, but most of the time it ends up hurting you more then helping you. If your a pure, call winds, bolts, disarms, warcries, swift kicks, you die, MAing doesn't help those things. It pretty much means instant death. Squares, weapon fire, weapon flares are death (when death crits) can't really help with MAing there. I think it's a much better idea to play 1 character in there then 2.....

[Bobmuhthol]

HOly ccrap! Yagnuts is a High Lord!

[CrystalTears]

There should have been an option for "don't care" because I honestly don't. I used to have two accounts but I didn't use them simultaneously. The most I would do is hunt with one charactere on one account and while they were resting, hunt with the other one. My characters didn't associate with each other.

The only time it bugs me is when they leave the inactive character AFK and unresponsive for a long time. At least put them away in a room in an inn or go premium and get a house and lock them in there. Then again, I don't like AFK people much anyway so it's moot if they are MAing or not.

People pay to play however they want. If it means leveling two characters at the same time, that's their choice and I'm no one to prevent them from doing it, and I really don't see how this should affect anyone else. Would it really make a difference if that person asked their friend to log in for them? Should it really matter who is controlling the characters? I guess I just don't see where the hubbub is. <shrugs>

[StrayRogue]

Interesting, the argument was alot more 'middle of the road' than I expected. A few years back, it was considered something to frown upon. Hmmm, maybe I'll try it some time. Another rogue would be nice for guild reps...

[imported_Kranar]

<< What I HATE to see are the Urdragon/Odiscea/Fangore types, who blatantly say in TC that he rolled himself up a wizard cos noone would help him and he couldn't get spells and he thinks everyone should do it too. >>

Yeah... if someone wants to MA, then so be it. But if someone MA's using the excuse that they have to do so in order to hunt, then I think that individual is full of crap.

[Edaarin]

Until all spells go self cast, there are going to be MA'ers.

And when they do go self cast, there will still be MA'ers, depending on how good Combat Leadership is, or if Protect becomes a CM skill.

[Bobmuhthol]

A good chunk of MA'ers do it for the guild skill benefits.

[Neildo]

The problem with MA-ing is when the outside person looks at it from a perspective of the person multi-accounting. If you think "oh, that person is MAing", then there's going to be a problem and you'll have a bitter taste in your mouth.

Each and every character in the game should be treated as an individual person.. not a group being controlled by the same person because one person controlling them all makes no difference. The problem usually comes from the MAer not using his characters to interact when in public (keeping the spell slave characters are fine if hidden from the public) or the non-MAer that purposely goes out of their way to interact with the MAer to cause a bit of trouble. You know, the types that go out of their way to interact with a group of characters they have no business interacting with.. when that person doesn't do that sort of thing normally.. only doing it to be a smartass.

So yeah, treat every character in the game as just that.. a character.. not characters controlled by the same person. It's the same thing with roleplay. When someone does something, assume they're roleplaying first, not being a snert. A quick example.. a dhe'nar elf making a disgusted look towards a halfling they don't even know. In situations similar to that, the person receiving the bad vibe would just flat out call the person a jerk saying how they're acting as a snert becauase the other person was giving them a bad vibe when they don't even know each other.

- N

[Drew2]

Ok. I'm bad. I MA a lot. But few people know it, because I keep it in private or away from everyone. I'm not like some people who have a zombie empath sitting next to them in TC to give clean ups after every heal down. (You know who you are... sorry for using you as an example.) I keep my MAing discreet, at the privacy of a table or somesuch. I'll use a character or two to help Tayre hunt, but that's only because I hate hunting so much if it's not easy I won't do it. I'd rather sit with an empty head in TC most of the time than hunt... but if I get too bored I'll do it. But I think that MAing, to an extent, is alright. I mean.. like Daina said.. when you get a Urdragon/Odiscea/Fangore thing going on, it's really rather annoying. It's one of the reasons I purposely kill Urdragon/Odiscea very often. Though, that's OOC so I have to justify it with IC situations. Luckily he's a dumbass and gives me plenty of reason. Anyway... Don't be a dumb MAer.

[Red Devil]

Originally posted by Tayre
Ok. I'm bad. I MA a lot. But few people know it, because I keep it in private or away from everyone. I'm not like some people who have a zombie empath sitting next to them in TC to give clean ups after every heal down. (You know who you are... sorry for using you as an example.) I keep my MAing discreet, at the privacy of a table or somesuch. I'll use a character or two to help Tayre hunt, but that's only because I hate hunting so much if it's not easy I won't do it. I'd rather sit with an empty head in TC most of the time than hunt... but if I get too bored I'll do it. But I think that MAing, to an extent, is alright. I mean.. like Daina said.. when you get a Urdragon/Odiscea/Fangore thing going on, it's really rather annoying. It's one of the reasons I purposely kill Urdragon/Odiscea very often. Though, that's OOC so I have to justify it with IC situations. Luckily he's a dumbass and gives me plenty of reason. Anyway... Don't be a dumb MAer.
Way to go, hypocrite

[godShell]

"Hence why Sodrotordos pissed me off so much. He got nearly 30 levels in a few months thanks to a lvl 70 empath. "

I (or Sodrotordos, whichever you are referring to) did not gain 30 levels in a month. I gained 20k exp. per day and it was not because of multiaccounting, it was because I sat online everyday all day hunting to get the power necessary to be able to roleplay my character the way I felt he would act. I multiaccounted with more than just an empath, too. I'd hunt several characters simultaneously, heal, raise, etc. I gained my last 20 levels without any multiaccount help, though. Really nothing to get 'pissed off' about.

"Loralai. Yeah. She didn't even belong to him, I'm not sure if she even belongs to anyone, I think it was a password they stumbled upon and just started using, and nobody caught on."

The old owner of Loralai handed down the character to her friend. We both used her. I payed for her.

[The Dustyn Ate Your Baby]

Originally posted by Maimara
Loralai. Yeah. She didn't even belong to him, I'm not sure if she even belongs to anyone, I think it was a password they stumbled upon and just started using, and nobody caught on.


Please, don't get me started.

Loralai is and was still mine. The OG player is my sister-in-law. Greg only used her for the last couple months that I had an open GS account because I couldn't afford my addiction anymore and he paid for it.

It's cool to shed some light on the situation, but please don't outright lie or say things that you don't know to be fact. All it does is spread more bullshit and half the reason I don't play anymore (the first half being Gemstone is a life-leech) is because people talk about things like they're in on it or something.

[longshot]

Originally posted by Red Devil

Originally posted by Tayre
Ok. I'm bad. I MA a lot. But few people know it, because I keep it in private or away from everyone. I'm not like some people who have a zombie empath sitting next to them in TC to give clean ups after every heal down. (You know who you are... sorry for using you as an example.) I keep my MAing discreet, at the privacy of a table or somesuch. I'll use a character or two to help Tayre hunt, but that's only because I hate hunting so much if it's not easy I won't do it. I'd rather sit with an empty head in TC most of the time than hunt... but if I get too bored I'll do it. But I think that MAing, to an extent, is alright. I mean.. like Daina said.. when you get a Urdragon/Odiscea/Fangore thing going on, it's really rather annoying. It's one of the reasons I purposely kill Urdragon/Odiscea very often. Though, that's OOC so I have to justify it with IC situations. Luckily he's a dumbass and gives me plenty of reason. Anyway... Don't be a dumb MAer.
Way to go, hypocrite

I couldn't agree more.

In the words of Don King, this is stupendipidously hyprocirtical.

I personally think MA sucks. The game was never intended for it. You honestly need an empath to sit there with you? Underhunt then. Are that much of a puss? Seriously.

The best part of reading this thread is to hear all the lame justification for MAing.

Oh, I MA to do this, but people that do that are just so lame...

You are one in the same. Any distinction you create in your head as justification is simply lame rationalization.

Just be honest and say, "I suck".
Enough with all the "I'm better than him because..." bullshit.
:drunk:

[Ilvane]

I always wondered what happened to Loralai. She was my bards husbands mother. One day I ran into her and
didn't respond to me. It might have been one of you guys, that explains it! :P

-A

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by godShell
The old owner of Loralai handed down the character to her friend. We both used her. I payed for her.

Oh that's so much better. :rolleyes:

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by godShell
I (or Sodrotordos, whichever you are referring to) did not gain 30 levels in a month. I gained 20k exp. per day and it was not because of multiaccounting, it was because I sat online everyday all day hunting to get the power necessary to be able to roleplay my character the way I felt he would act.

I distinctly remember you in the monstary. She would bind, you would implode. You run low, she'd send, so Open Imploding wasn't exactly rare for you either.

Oh can you please stop this charade with 'Dustyn' as well?

[Red Devil]

umm, for as long as i remember loralai has always been a slavebitch, it started with seanathon lol

[Edited on 7-23-2003 by Red Devil]

[The Dustyn Ate Your Baby]

Originally posted by Red Devil
umm, for as long as i remember loralai has always been a slavebitch, it started with seanathon lol

[Edited on 7-23-2003 by Red Devil]

This is absolutely wrong.



Originally posted by Red Devil
I distinctly remember you in the monstary. She would bind, you would implode. You run low, she'd send, so Open Imploding wasn't exactly rare for you either.

Oh can you please stop this charade with 'Dustyn' as well?

Excuse me, bud. There's no 'charade' with 'Dustyn' considering that he and I are completely separate people and there's posters on this board who can verify that fact.

I don't care what people with their heads up their asses have to say about MAing or slaving. It's a game. Big deal. If you take Gemstone too seriously, you forget that fact. Do what makes you happy with the game that you pay for like everyone else. I know that Greg and I did not impede on anyone else's gameplay as we were pretty discreet as a rule (aside from when I was in the park). Discretion from others is not your RIGHT, it is your PRIVILEGE. Outside of the general Simutronics rules, nobody has to play by YOUR policies, period.

Have your opinion, by all means. Save the elitist bullshit for people who care (ie, not the ones that MA).

[The Dustyn Ate Your Baby]

Originally posted by Ilvane
I always wondered what happened to Loralai. She was my bards husbands mother. One day I ran into her and
didn't respond to me. It might have been one of you guys, that explains it! :P

-A


There was a span of about 3 weeks where Loralai'd been hacked while I was taking a hiatus from Gemstone (keep in mind, I've owned Loralai exclusively for the past 3 years). I remember the/an owner of Geosain was one of the people who stripped her of her items and whatever else. It was later confessed to me by some chick who was really hostile. As if she was gonna get shot IRL for telling me.

[longshot]

Please read my hacked thread...

[StrayRogue]

It just goes to illustrate my point, you're a fucking tool if you need another account to hunt, which he did. No wonder he didn't get the respect he felt he deserved. Discreet?! HA!

[Snapp]

I would hardly say you two were discreet. I dont know either of you personally, and I picked up very quickly that you were MA'ing. Not that I really care either way.

[imported_Kranar]

Not this again...

Safe to say this discussion is over.

[imported_Kranar]

On second thought, I decided to just remove the petty comments and re-open the thread.

[Edited on 7-25-2003 by Kranar]

[The Dustyn Ate Your Baby]

Originally posted by longshot
Please read my hacked thread...

I just did.

My account was hacked. As in the password was stolen, not that I gave it to anyone.

[Weedmage Princess]

I don't think there's anything wrong with MA'ing, depending on how you do it.

If you have (or have access to) another character who you might use for a spell or two, or you'll log in only in the event that you need them (IE, no healers, no clerics, no way of opening your boxes) then it's not a big deal. The only thing I think sucks is if you're doing it indescreetly. Atleast take advantage of the tables, or another quiet spot. Not out in the open.

[longshot]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
I don't think there's anything wrong with MA'ing, depending on how you do it.

If you have (or have access to) another character who you might use for a spell or two, or you'll log in only in the event that you need them (IE, no healers, no clerics, no way of opening your boxes) then it's not a big deal. The only thing I think sucks is if you're doing it indescreetly. Atleast take advantage of the tables, or another quiet spot. Not out in the open.

I really think it's funny to hear the proper "ettiquette" for MAing.

[CrystalTears]

And I think it's funny that you spelled etiquette wrong. :P

And yes there is a good and bad way to MA. If they're going to allow it, at least do it so that it won't piss off the majority of players.

[longshot]

Yeah, I have to listen to Japanese english all day. It's seriously screwing me up... sorry about my spelling. It gets worse everyday.

I reread some of these posts, and I understand the point that people who MA are trying to make... but what one person considers okay will not always match what another thinks.

If you're going to do it, of course it should be inconspicuous (sp)... but I still really think MAing is wrong.

I play odd hours when sometimes there are only 200 people in the lands. I carry 6 weapons so I can hunt undead until I find a cleric that can bless magic metals. I've had to locker boxes because there were no pickers. I make do.

Let's face it, no matter how discreet you are about it, MA is abuse of game mechanics.

I know simu would never come out against, and I'd rather put up with the abuse that there is now, rather than pay $20 bucks a month to make up for all the lost accounts... but that doesn't mean that I have to like it.

I posted before, and it was deleted. I was extremely drunk, and I didn't mean to offend anyone. This post was more in line with what I was trying to say. Sorry.

[Neildo]

MAing is only wrong in the eyes of those with not many friends or those that purposely make it hard on themselves (such as those that only heal with herbs :P). You'll always hear them say how they're rarely rescued and die and decay or there's nobody around to pick/pop/lightning their box (which I find funny since EVERY profession has means to open boxes and I don't mean having everyone train in picking and/or using NPC locksmiths), or cast spells on them, etc.

Many people tend to play the game in conjuction with other friends, spouses, in-game couples, etc. They tend to have friends around them a lot in which they take care of each others needs. This is why it's not such a big deal. Turning to your friend who's in the room and saying "Hey buddy, can you cast some strength on me" is no harder than having your other account to do so. Each character in-game should be treated as an individual character. Heh, I find it amusing when a friend spells me up or when I spell them up, they assume we're MAing. It's because people tend to first make the worst assumptions which make an ass out of themselves. But I said all that in my past post.

And I'll finish this with what I said before. Treat each person as an individual person and MAing won't seem like such a bad idea to you anymore. Think of that person helping them as their friend. If they have a friend willing to spell them up and/or do whatever else possible, why is it you can't do that? It doesn't matter what time of day you play as if you play on a somewhat regular schedule, you will find those that play at that normal time as well. I can log in ANY time of the day and see many friends logged in that will help me if I choose to ask and the same for others that ask me for help.

And yes, there's MAing etiquette. Nothing funny about it. It's called common sense and common courtesy. Having a zombie sitting around AFK is just as rude as a solo account standing around AFK as well. Remember, anything an MAer can do, a solo account can as well.

- N

[Scott]

Ok, we've gone through the whole MAing thing. My question to everyone who thinks MAing is bad is "what about old friends helping out young friends?" (This includes husband/wives.) I only bring this up because I see Drizzsdt walking around and Summerlyn following and knocking EVERYTHING down for her to ambush without any chance of getting hit.... just wondering what your opinion on that is. (Yes, they were different people.)

[imported_Kranar]

<< I only bring this up because I see Drizzsdt walking around and Summerlyn following and knocking EVERYTHING down for her to ambush without any chance of getting hit.... >>

I think that's cute and perfectly acceptable. From what I understand, they're married too. Seems like a more than perfect marriage.

[Edaarin]

Heh, Drizzsdt isn't 100% insurance against death. Saw Summerlyn die during the Jant invasions at least twice while he and an older rogue were sweep/tackling them. Still not as many times as I died though, stupid marchlords...

[StrayRogue]

Well if we aren't meant to help each other, what are we meant to do? Oh sorry, I forgot. We're meant to buy the lvl 150 cleric from ebay. My mistake.

[Edited on 29-7-03 by StrayRogue]

[Neildo]

Quit your whining. You're acting like people don't help each other out in this game and all anyone does is multi-account. If so many people are buying level 150 clerics from e-bay to babysit their character, it should be seen everywhere non-stop, no? Usually when people complain about different people MAing, it tends to be the SAME people just in different bodies. Yeah, I saw Joe MAing in Wehnimers and Harry MAing in the EN. God, EVERYONE is MAing! Well, I bet ya didn't know that Joe and Harry are the same person.

Anyhow, since the most common response seems to be buying people from e-bay to help their characters rather than others helping others, let's see if you can list 20 groups of people that MA.. not someone such as a wife/husband/friend combo helping each other out. Out of the hundreds of people in this game, listing 20 MA groups should be no sweat.

- N

[imported_Kranar]

<< If so many people are buying level 150 clerics from e-bay to babysit their character, it should be seen everywhere non-stop, no? >>

It is happening everywhere.

<< Out of the hundreds of people in this game, listing 20 MA groups should be no sweat. >>

I think 20 people in this thread may have just confessed to MAing and say they have no problem with it.

[Edited on 7-29-2003 by Kranar]

[Scott]

If it doesn't effect you, don't worry about it.

[Neildo]

>>>>If so many people are buying level 150 clerics from e-bay to babysit their character, it should be seen everywhere non-stop, no?

It is happening everywhere.<<<<

I was referring to just that, the exaggerated examples people use as the norm. Level 150 characters and the like aren't being sold and passed around like candy. Those types of characters tend to be passed around the same people sort of like the way high end items are in-game with certain merchants. You know, set the price of an item at some ungodly amount that it isn't worth yet another well known merchant ends up buying the item just to reinforce the price, then they sell it to their friend who is also a well known merchant so that they can increase the price even further. Then it continues to happen just to keep that item at that ungodly high price to make it look like it IS worth it until some schmuck not part of the wealthy group finally buys the item so they make an ungodly profit.

So if you actually track the high end characters that are sold, you will see that they all mainly were owned/controlled by the same people. You and I can buy/sell/transfer characters 20 times with each other.. and because 20 transactions have happened, that doesn't mean 20 different people owned those characters. People tend to think a bunch of various people owning 150 year old characters to babysit their characters is commonplace which it isn't, yet for some reason it's used as the average and most common excuse against MAing. People tend to use exaggerated extremes to help with their cause.

So of those high-end characters that are supposedly "all over the place", who are there? And of those people you can think of, how many don't belong to the same group/person?

>>>>Out of the hundreds of people in this game, listing 20 MA groups should be no sweat.

I think 20 people in this thread may have just confessed to MAing and say they have no problem with it.<<<<

I'm referring to the out in the open types that people tend to always complain about. You know, whether it's someone blatantly controlling six people up in the Rift, an old school enchanting group, a zombie group at the statue on Teras, or whatever, who are they? Where are all those groups that give MAing a bad name that has people constantly complaining about MAers? Rarely do people complain about discreet MAers that don't do it in public view and are curteous about it. When people are discreet about it, people don't even realize they multi-account. Only when they see their zombie group out in the public, causing trouble, or whatever is it ever complained about. And when that happens, many times those groups tend to be controlled by the same people. If you hear someone complaining about so-and-sos level 100 and level 50 character acting like a snert then hear someone complaining six months later about another level 100 or 50 character of a different name, many times it's that same person who was most likely banned and/or sold their other character and recently bought the new group. Just because a character may have a different name, it doesn't mean the owner is a different person.

- N

[StrayRogue]

Thanks Kranar, for making my point. I don't keep names, but the people here have already confessed to MAing. Let me guess, you MA as well. Alot of the top end characters are bought/sold, in fact there's very few who are originals (Drizzsdt being one of the few). I know of three people who hunt OTF without a slave: Starsnuffer (who has help from someone else), Gespry, and Xeniphite (who hunts with Prospera).

It sure is common place. Tsin owns the oldest rogue and the oldest Wizard (Chazym), Malok is shared by five of the oldest Characters in the game. The list can go on and on...

MAing IS common place. As has already been said, you have to accept that in todays game environment. I'm willing to bet 1 in 3 folks have access to a different account than their own, even if it isn't another account of their own. But if you want further proof, come find me in game, and I will take you to ANY well traveled hunting ground with a node nearby (the Garden in the Abandoned home is an easy one, or the Misty Chamber or the Niche), and I will show you blatant MAing.

[Chyrain]

I always thought about how much easier things would be if I had bought a wizard for myself, but I haven't. I don't think I'll ever feel the need to spend that much money on a character for a game. But more power to those that can.

I've spent so much time and energy into my characters that if I wanted to leave the game for good, I'd probably sell them. And I wouldn't feel guilty about it either.

What's with all the venomous judging? It's just a game.

[Trinitis]

hmm..blatant MA'ing including spell ups and such? Ever thought just maybe everything is said in whispers? I've had people accuse me of MA'ing when someone walks in, I spell them up, and they walk out..when the entire "please, yes, and thankyou" where done in whispers. If someone whispers to me, I always assume they wish to have the conversation kept private, and respond thus.

-Adredrin

[CrystalTears]

That's the thing. People need to start assuming that people are roleplaying first, not MAing. Just because you can't see the exchange of what occurred for someone to get spelled up or hunting together, as it's possible they speak in whispers to each other, doesn't mean that they are MAing, just possibly friends who only like to work with each other (omg run on sentence from hell :D)

[daragon13]

Hehe I just find it funny that its StrayRogue that started this topic. Isn't you that said to quit whining about shit like this in the topics I started? Wow, such hypocrisy. Anyways, I pay good money for each account, why should MAing be taken away from me? Even if I did use my other characters to help out my younger character, I have the right to. So what you are basically saying is if ANYONE helps out a character of anyone else's they must quit? Thats how I roleplay my characters bub, and if I have multiple accounts it really is none of your damn business. I have the right to use my character's anyway I see fit so long it doesn't violate Gemstone policy.So don't take your anger out on us MAers just cause you can't afford more then one account. Thank you.

~The great Terror is Upon us~

[StrayRogue]

I don't care loser coz....you're outa there!

[daragon13]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I don't care loser coz....you're outa there!

Didn't you hear? I am only outta there temporarily. I have decided not to leave the game because I wouldn't want a dumbass like you to be that happy.:D

~The great terror is upon you~

[daragon13]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I don't care loser coz....you're outa there!

Oh and you spelled it wrong, it is CAUSE, not COZ. :spin:

[StrayRogue]

You are lecturing me on intelligence. It wasn't me who was recently bent over, lubed up and ass raped by Mahegh was it?

[daragon13]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
You are lecturing me on intelligence. It wasn't me who was recently bent over, lubed up and ass raped by Mahegh was it?

Actually it was cause I refused to bend over that I got in trouble. Get facts straight miss. OR Sir. whatever you are, you still are a dumbass.:D

[StrayRogue]

I think everyone who reads these boards (as they've said so themselves) realizes what kind of idiot you are my boy. I'll be happy to send you a copy of Anarchy Online, where most 14 year old retards go to play. Please indulge your fantasy power trips there. Get locked out there! Whatever you want. But hey, you got no policy to read; should be right up your street.

[Bobmuhthol]

Lubers are weak.

[daragon13]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I think everyone who reads these boards (as they've said so themselves) realizes what kind of idiot you are my boy. I'll be happy to send you a copy of Anarchy Online, where most 14 year old retards go to play. Please indulge your fantasy power trips there. Get locked out there! Whatever you want. But hey, you got no policy to read; should be right up your street.

Wow, wait wasn't this board about your dumbass trying to get Multiple accounts banned, I still have yet to hear a good reason. And no, no power trips here. Just simple, I have a problem with idiots. Thats all. :D

[CrystalTears]

How do you face yourself in the morning then? :P

[Bobmuhthol]

I hate to use the obligatory comeback, but if you have a problem with idiots, wouldn't that mean you have a problem with yourself?

[daragon13]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
How do you face yourself in the morning then? :P

Damn a swarm of fools. :D

[Vad]

.. Please excuse this > 1-year bump. Just a new guy to the forums. Seems like everybody forgives MAing -to the extent that they do it-. Beyond that, it's sacrilege. Am I wrong, or is this the general GS consensus?

-V

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by daragon13Oh and you spelled it wrong, it is CAUSE, not COZ. :spin:

You have to love the illiterate spelling mafia.

Just Because.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Vad
.. Please excuse this > 1-year bump. Just a new guy to the forums. Seems like everybody forgives MAing -to the extent that they do it-. Beyond that, it's sacrilege. Am I wrong, or is this the general GS consensus?

-V I guess I'm one that doesn't really care that others do it as long as they attempt to shield the blatant obviousness that can accompany it.

[Warriorbird]

I think the efforts against MA-ing, scripting, and cash sales have been a huge benefit to World of Warcraft.

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
I think the efforts against MA-ing, scripting, and cash sales have been a huge benefit to World of Warcraft.

The problem is that Simu has turned a blind eye to such things with their products, mainly to gain a customer base. This drove away the customers that don't want to be around such things. The people who remain are either for it or at least accepting of it, so starting enforcement now would cost them a large chunk of what is left of their customer base.

WoW had a large enough population from the beginning that they didn't need to worry about drawing new people. They are able to enforce rules against cash sales, MAing and such from the beginning, without serious concerns about the size of their customer base.

Jorddyn

MAing has always been and will always be around. Hate MAers? Gain lots of levels and kill them!

- Arkans

[Skeeter]

If you think people don't MA in WoW you're mistaken.

[Warriorbird]

Of course. That they make the effort is attractive to people however.