Mike Vick [Archive] - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

Sean

07-20-2009, 02:04 PM

I think he should be able to return, but I think there needs to be a period of time from incarceration till he get signed again before he's back on the field.

For conditioning purposes or a furthering of his suspension or something else?

Stunseed

07-20-2009, 02:05 PM

...But whoever signs him ( New England ) is going to be hated by PETA FO-EV-A.

Anebriated

07-20-2009, 02:09 PM

Yes. He has paid his debt to society. I think the NFL should institute a policy where if a player has a run-in with the law they get a hefty(50%ish) portion of their paycheck taken in fines that are then donated to the United Way or some other NFL charity. That way the players are still able to play but it sends a message that if you fuck up you wont be making it rain at strip clubs anymore... maybe a light drizzle though.

The Ponzzz

07-20-2009, 02:15 PM

For conditioning purposes or a furthering of his suspension or something else?

Publicity

Androidpk

07-20-2009, 02:24 PM

...But whoever signs him ( New England ) is going to be hated by PETA FO-EV-A.

What makes you say New England?

Stunseed

07-20-2009, 02:28 PM

They want to get into the spread O and every single one of their QB's is slower than me after an all you can eat rib buffet.

Holy fuck, they are SLOW. Vick offers them options, for cheap.

Mtenda

07-20-2009, 02:35 PM

Totally agree with Stunseed. It makes perfect sense from a strategy perspective and the Pats can handle the PR. I think he should be cleared to play this year if someone signs him. Conditioning should definitely be a personal concern but you can't regulate players based on that. Besides, he was an injury risk when totally healthy. Splitting time at QB might be perfect for him. I don't agree with those who say he should play another position. Proper coaching is everything.

Parkbandit

07-20-2009, 02:40 PM

Anebriated

07-20-2009, 02:46 PM

I'll be real surprised if Goodell lifts his suspension before the upcoming season... but I'm of the mind that Vick has already paid the price for being a piece of shit.. and now hopefully he can turn his life around. Personally, he should play a year of Arena Football.. maybe for the Tampa Storm. I'd go watch him :)

My cousin was the QB for the Storm for a few years. Team is probably headed back up now that Marcum is no longer the coach. Of course theres no guarantee that the AFL is coming back.

Tsa`ah

07-20-2009, 03:01 PM

His debt has been paid ... I just don't agree with the poll options.

Androidpk

07-20-2009, 03:16 PM

They want to get into the spread O and every single one of their QB's is slower than me after an all you can eat rib buffet.

Holy fuck, they are SLOW. Vick offers them options, for cheap.

I don't think Brady will want to share his job, unless you're talking about Vick playing backup, which I don't think he would go for.

Tsa`ah

07-20-2009, 03:29 PM

Mike Vick 07-20-2009 02:18 PM no one gives a shit what you think

And anyone would care what a spineless pussy that can't man up and just make a post stating that much thinks?

Parkbandit

07-20-2009, 03:32 PM

And anyone would care what a spineless pussy that can't man up and just make a post stating that much thinks?

Seriously, no one gives a shit what you think.

-PB

Tsa`ah

07-20-2009, 03:36 PM

Seriously, no one gives a shit what you think.

-PB

Your incessant need to troll indicates something else entirely.

Stunseed

07-20-2009, 03:38 PM

I don't think Brady will want to share his job, unless you're talking about Vick playing backup, which I don't think he would go for.

Brady will not run the Wildcat. Ever. They reside in Wildcat country ( AFC North ) and will have to deal with Pat White in Miami. Change is coming, and New England is no different than any other team.

My B - AFC East.

Parkbandit

07-20-2009, 03:39 PM

Your incessant need to troll indicates something else entirely.

Your incessant moaning about rep you supposedly don't care about indicates that you are a fucking raging douchebag. It's like you make a post, check your rep, make a post, check your rep...

Tsa`ah

07-20-2009, 03:45 PM

Your incessant moaning about rep you supposedly don't care about indicates that you are a fucking raging douchebag. It's like you make a post, check your rep, make a post, check your rep...

Rep doesn't matter a bit to me. You just can't get that through your head.

It's spineless douches ... which is what the rep system has fosters.

Do you want to swing from my nuts some more, or will you do as usual, spam around the rep so you can perform yet another act of douchebagery?

A piece of shit like you, who can't even use his own vocabulary ... will probably do both.

Parkbandit

07-20-2009, 03:50 PM

Rep doesn't matter a bit to me. You just can't get that through your head.

It's spineless douches ... which is what the rep system has fosters.

Do you want to swing from my nuts some more, or will you do as usual, spam around the rep so you can perform yet another act of douchebagery?

A piece of shit like you, who can't even use his own vocabulary ... will probably do both.

For someone who doesn't care about rep.. you sure do sound like you care about rep.

So now.. when someone responds to one of your stupid posts.. it's not humping your leg.. now it's swinging from your nuts? You sure do love the idea of guys touching you, don't you. Sorry pal, I'm 100% pure hetro.

BTW: Your real reputation on this forum was established years ago Shit4Brains... and you continue to illustrate why every post.

The Ponzzz

07-20-2009, 03:51 PM

BALLS OF STEEL!!

Keller

07-20-2009, 04:02 PM

His debt has been paid ... I just don't agree with the poll options.

Is there another option you'd like represented?

I thought I covered all my bases with "Now, later, and never."

DoctorUnne

07-20-2009, 04:11 PM

Brady will not run the Wildcat. Ever. They reside in Wildcat country ( AFC North ) and will have to deal with Pat White in Miami. Change is coming, and New England is no different than any other team.

I think you meant AFC East.

DoctorUnne

07-20-2009, 04:20 PM

Some things to think about:

1) Vick can't play unless Goodell allows it. However, this is based on the rules under the current CBA, which expires after 2010. Who knows what a new CBA will say about situations such as these.

2) Vick met with Goodell before he was convicted and lied to his face about his involvement. Given that it's Goodell making the decision I think that particular tidbit will matter a great deal, even if he has served his legal punishment.

3) If he is reinstated, he will end up on a team immediately. Too many teams are hurting at QB to the point where the owner would be willing to roll the dice that he can be what he was before prison. At the very least he will make a substantial return on the investment in season ticket sales. ATL's season ticket renewal rate plummeted in 2008 (renewals had already happened for the 2007 season before the news broke) even though they had a new coach and highly-touted Matt Ryan.

In my opinion if we're going to let people like Pacman Jones and Leonard Little play we should reinstate Vick, but I don't think it will happen this year. I think Goodell will want to see a year of exemplary behavior from him outside of prison before committing to that.

Drew

07-20-2009, 04:26 PM

It's funny (in a sad way) how athletes who have killed men because of DUI have come back to less anger than Michael Vick. Just shows how messed up some animal lovers are.

Parkbandit

07-20-2009, 04:32 PM

It's funny (in a sad way) how athletes who have killed men because of DUI have come back to less anger than Michael Vick. Just shows how messed up some animal lovers are.

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The Ponzzz

07-20-2009, 04:33 PM

:lol2:

Sean

07-20-2009, 04:49 PM

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Leonard Little comes to mind also

Stanley Burrell

07-20-2009, 05:23 PM

Leonard Little comes to mind also

Not to mention Ulysses S. Grant:

As President, Grant was himself an honest man. When he was arrested for speeding around Washington D.C. in a horse and buggy, most likely intoxicated, he told the police officer, "Do your duty, my good man," and eventually paid a fine. He paid too little attention to what was going on around him, however, and sometimes trusted people too much, leading to dishonest dealing and scandals.

He could kick 50-yard field goals no problem. Great guy.

nub

07-20-2009, 07:42 PM

Vick should be able to play for the NFL, if PETA throws blood or does something stupid like that, they should up the fines/punishment for the stupid PETA people.

I mean seriously, we pay to see people play, we are the ones who make the NFL rich. If he brings in more money, then let him play.

graysun

07-21-2009, 11:57 AM

While I think Vick can and should be able to play again, I'd be shocked as shit if Goodell allows him to come back this year.

Hulkein

07-21-2009, 12:02 PM

It's funny (in a sad way) how athletes who have killed men because of DUI have come back to less anger than Michael Vick. Just shows how messed up some animal lovers are.

+1

We have a few of those fucking weirdos regularly posting on this site.

Hulkein

07-21-2009, 12:04 PM

While I think Vick can and should be able to play again, I'd be shocked as shit if Goodell allows him to come back this year.

I disagree. I think Vick is a terrible QB and will be unsuccessful and out of the league rather quickly if Czar Goodell lets him come back.

graysun

07-21-2009, 12:06 PM

I disagree. I think Vick is a terrible QB and will be unsuccessful and out of the league rather quickly if Czar Goodell lets him come back.
He's an amazing athlete, and at 29 I don't think its out of the question that he could contribute in some regard.

You may be right that he will never start at QB again, or last very long when he does return.

Anebriated

07-21-2009, 12:22 PM

He was a below average passer when he was in the league and his height is probably the main culprit. If he wasnt the leading rusher on his teams while he played he would be sitting on the bench like Troy Smith in Baltimore.

Tsa`ah

07-21-2009, 12:34 PM

Is there another option you'd like represented?

I thought I covered all my bases with "Now, later, and never."

At the league's discretion.

Anebriated

07-21-2009, 12:47 PM

that would be the "No, not yet" option

Hulkein

07-21-2009, 01:03 PM

At the league's discretion.

What does this even mean? League wide vote by the owners?? I think the decision by Goodell is the "league's discretion." He's the commissioner.

Keller

07-21-2009, 01:14 PM

At the league's discretion.

All three of those options are "at the league's discretion."

No one else has the discretion.

Tsa`ah

07-21-2009, 01:15 PM

What does this even mean? League wide vote by the owners?? I think the decision by Goodell is the "league's discretion." He's the commissioner.

The league's discretion = Goodell + the interest of any club.

IF that means he gets to attend camp and play the first game of the pre-season and so on, or if that means a team or teams want him but Goodell wants him to jump through hoops and delay it for a portion or the entirety of the season.

It means that the guy has paid his debt as it were and should be allowed to play. There is no objection to him playing immediately, a week from pre-season, or next season.

DoctorUnne

07-21-2009, 01:18 PM

What does this even mean? League wide vote by the owners?? I think the decision by Goodell is the "league's discretion." He's the commissioner.

It's solely up to Goodell. No owner vote necessary.

I'm not saying Vick's skills haven't deteriorated, or that he was a great QB before, but remember he did take Atlanta to the NFC championship game on a team without a whole lot of other talent.

And we have people like Tarvaris Jackson and JaMarcus Russell starting at QB right now. He would be an improvement over them regardless of how good he is.

RichardCranium

07-21-2009, 01:21 PM

The league's discretion = Goodell + the interest of any club.

IF that means he gets to attend camp and play the first game of the pre-season and so on, or if that means a team or teams want him but Goodell wants him to jump through hoops and delay it for a portion or the entirety of the season.

It means that the guy has paid his debt as it were and should be allowed to play. There is no objection to him playing immediately, a week from pre-season, or next season.

That would be the "yes, immediately" option.

Tsa`ah

07-21-2009, 01:25 PM

That would be either or ... but not no, not ever.

RichardCranium

07-21-2009, 01:27 PM

I thought the question was if you feel he should be allowed to, not if you think it will actually happen.

Anebriated

07-21-2009, 01:31 PM

I thought the question was if you feel he should be allowed to, not if you think it will actually happen.

it is.

Should Mike Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?

Tsa`ah

07-21-2009, 01:32 PM

I thought the question was if you feel he should be allowed to, not if you think it will actually happen.

The question had three possible answers, two being the same answer with deviations on your opinion of time.

My answer is that he should be permitted to play, the "when" of that happening doesn't matter to me, I'll leave it to the league.

I never implied anything close to "if I think it will actually happen".

RichardCranium

07-21-2009, 01:34 PM

The question had three possible answers, two being the same answer with deviations on your opinion of time.

My answer is that he should be permitted to play, the "when" of that happening doesn't matter to me, I'll leave it to the league.

I never implied anything close to "if I think it will actually happen".

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Parkbandit

07-21-2009, 01:34 PM

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k15/troydenh/oblivious-asshole-award.jpg

:rofl:

Stop swinging on his nuts!!!!!111oneone

Anebriated

07-21-2009, 01:41 PM

The way I read the options was

1. Goodell should reinstate him immediately and he will then be free to sign on with any team and continue his NFL career.

2. Not yet, Goodell should give him another year to sit out(or a set number of games) at which point Vick is free to return to the NFL and continue his career.

3. Never, Vick should be banished from the league and never set foot on the field while representing an NFL franchise.

I think that pretty much covers every angle. Its either Never, Immediately or sometime but not yet.

Hulkein

07-21-2009, 01:43 PM

It's solely up to Goodell. No owner vote necessary.

I know bud. I was asking Tsa`ah what he meant by "at the league's discretion" because the options already include that.

Tsa`ah

07-21-2009, 01:44 PM

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k15/troydenh/oblivious-asshole-award.jpg

So you're just being a douche, you really did understand what I was saying.

Got it ... another PB is born. He even approved of your actions.

Parkbandit

07-21-2009, 01:52 PM

So you're just being a douche, you really did understand what I was saying.

Got it ... another PB is born. He even approved of your actions.

No one understands what you were saying Shit4Brains. It's really simple... yet you try to pseudointellectually try to find a fault with the poll when there isn't one in some freakish over the top effort to pretend you are somehow smarter than anyone else who posted previously.

Get over yourself chump. You aren't as important or as smart as you think you are.

Anebriated

07-21-2009, 01:58 PM

The poll was clearly terrible because there was no option for pie.

SHAFT

07-22-2009, 10:26 PM

Fuck peta. He's done is time. If an owner wants to sign him, let him play. Even George Bush thinks America is the land of 2nd chances. If George Bush says so, its true.

Stunseed

07-27-2009, 04:05 PM

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/07/27/qb-vick-reinstated-on-conditional-basis/

Vick reinstated and in by Week 6.

Anebriated

07-27-2009, 04:12 PM

good.

Fallen

07-27-2009, 05:04 PM

Were there ever any accounts of the guy's life when he was in prison?

Parkbandit

07-27-2009, 05:06 PM

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/07/27/qb-vick-reinstated-on-conditional-basis/

Vick reinstated and in by Week 6.

OMG Shit4Brains wuz write! IT WUZ AT THE LEAGUE'S DISCRETION!!!

Lord Orbstar

07-27-2009, 06:45 PM

pathetic and unsurprising.

I was hoping he would just box danny bonaduce or soemthing as he "return vehicle"

No decent team will touch his tainted ass. there are desperate ones though and the shitbird falcons or scumeagles Even the raiders wouldnt touch him...unless Al is truly senile

Parkbandit

07-27-2009, 07:02 PM

nub

07-27-2009, 07:36 PM

Would not be suprised if Buffalo got him.

Stunseed

07-27-2009, 07:39 PM

They're using Rosco Parrish in the Wildcat.

My bet is still New England, followed by Denver and possibly Detroit.

SHAFT

07-27-2009, 07:44 PM

San Fran should get him. Vick is better than Hill and Smith

Stunseed

07-27-2009, 07:45 PM

There's no way SF can try for him, the fan base would quit on them.

( I think Vick would work GREAT with SF in that division )

LMingrone

07-27-2009, 07:48 PM

I know he'll be signed by someone. I'm just wondering if any team will actually put him in as QB. He's the perfect player for the Wildcat, but I just don't see him being a starting QB.

Proxy

07-27-2009, 09:06 PM

for the sake of indulging the fanatically retarded .02% of the US population I say that he should not be allowed to play again. Nor hold any form of employment ever again, thus being reduced to eventual poverty and then homelessness. But I really couldn't care one way or the other TBO.