Prejudice on the PC

[Ravenstorm]

Let's get this out on the table for n00bs. The PC has generally been a place where you come in with your fists up just in case. You arrive with thin skin and cry at birthday parties and you walk out made out of wood and go into bars and watch sailors run out.

Actually, the message for the "n00bs" is that a very vocal portion of the posters here are dicks and really rather contemptible. They're not edgy, they're not fighting the good fight, they're just dicks. Some are actual bigots but the majority are just dicks. Now dicks are rather good things in general but on a message board they're just irritants. As such, they should mostly be ignored.

If you object to something or have something to say, do it. Most likely one of the dicks will come along, make an ad hominem attack or post a jpg or some equally constructive response. The trick then is to just ignore it and move on. Being dicks is what gets them off. So don't even bother responding.

So if you're a "n00b", I'd recommend going to the RPGnet instead. The discussions there are a lot more civil and intelligent. Just come here to watch the monkeys fling shit.

[ElvenFury]

There are three types of people in this world: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Sure, dicks might occasionally fuck pussies, but they also fuck assholes. And remember, a pussy is only an inch away from being an asshole.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

There are three types of people in this world: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Sure, dicks might occasionally fuck pussies, but they also fuck assholes. And remember, a pussy is only an inch away from being an asshole.

And sometimes pussies get so full of shit they may as well be an asshole.

[ElvenFury]

And sometimes pussies get so full of shit they may as well be an asshole.

Yeah, that too. ;-D

http://www.bolgernow.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/team-america-photo.jpg

[CrystalTears]

Actually, the message for the "n00bs" is that a very vocal portion of the posters here are dicks and really rather contemptible. They're not edgy, they're not fighting the good fight, they're just dicks. Some are actual bigots but the majority are just dicks. Now dicks are rather good things in general but on a message board they're just irritants. As such, they should mostly be ignored.Heh, well I never said that it was a nice and civil place. But you're right, the PC is full of dicks and bitches and just using this place for letting out frustration... or whatever else is pissing them off at the time... and then move on to something else to complain about. :D

That being said, this forum isn't a secret. The GS community knows about it as I've heard them talk about it at GS gatherings and such. They may not participate but they know all about the vile and general crankiness that goes on. So if you know how the crowd is and you go in to post, why do people become surprised when they get attacked for saying, well, for lack of a better word... something stupid?

Thing is though, that for the most part, we don't know each other. So we're basically strangers. Why do people make such a big deal about what some stranger says to someone else?

[AnticorRifling]

White Flour?

[Latrinsorm]

Why would anyone need to excuse anything? It's just words. Stop reading if you don't like what's written. Don't associate with people if you don't like what they have to say.Though this was not directed specifically to me, I feel the need to clarify: regardless of their being "just words" and regardless of the reaction generated, slurs have deeper implications about the person using the slur. This is best described with your words from a later post: "The person saying it won't stop (since they don't see a problem with it)".

Because Stunseed is a good guy, it is appropriate to bring this to his attention. If Stunseed was more of an attention-seeker type, it would not be productive to point this out, as other people's posts in this thread indicate (Methais, et al).

I am not Jewish, I do not have a personal stake in the slurring of Jews. What I do have a personal stake in is the well-being of other people. As such, it would be irresponsible to merely stop reading or otherwise ignore the problem in this case. I am not endorsing censorship, I am encouraging self-improvement.

[TheWitch]

I run a recreation program at the local park.
On Wednesdays, we play Bingo.
Riddle me this:

What is it called when you have all of the numbers on your bingo card called and covered?

[diethx]

We're obviously talking about things that large groups of people find offensive, i.e. racial slurs, and not normal things that select people find offensive for weird reasons.
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Saying anybody can be offended by anything is just avoiding the point. Everybody here knows what words have a history of hatred and often violence behind them.

Except that's not what you said, you whiny little thin-skinned cuntraggamuffin. You said:


If you know that a word carries enough weight that you could use it with the express purpose to offend somebody there is no reason for it to be a part of normal communication.

Just about any word can be offensive to someone or a group of people. So basically now what you're saying is, we can guiltlessly use words that are offensive to a small group of people, but not large groups of people? Because the worth of a person and their right not to be offended depends on how many other people feel similarly? Yes, that makes a lot of sense.

You want to tell me what I should and shouldn't be able to say? In the words of a great man...

"I can say what I want to, even if i'm not serious. I can say what I want to, even i'm not serious. Fuck yourself. Fuck yourself. You piece of shit, why don't you just go and kill yourself." (non-fatally) :heart:

[Clove]

Wasn't it that dirty liberal, Voltaire, who said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."?


ACTUALLY.. that's an interpretation on Voltaire's philosophy.Actually some dirty Jew said that.

[Bhuryn]

What I do have a personal stake in is the well-being of other people. As such, it would be irresponsible to merely stop reading or otherwise ignore the problem in this case. I am not endorsing censorship, I am encouraging self-improvement.

Realize though, that while your personality might lean towards the sympathetic side, others don't. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with either side -- although the sympathetic side would probably disagree.

We'll never live in a world where everyone is sympathetic to each other's every need, thought and feeling. So we can go on getting offended by mere words, or we can realize that the ones using the words (outside the express purpose to offend us) don't understand what that word means to us. We can't expect them to ever feel the same way we do, otherwise we wouldn't have a problem with it anyway would we?

People are getting to stuck on the idea that "word A" is always offensive to "group A" and ignoring the fact that the above idea is merely a perception.

There are alot of words in the past that you'd never hear someone say and are part of everyday speech now. Did these words somehow just become less offensive, or did our perception towards the words change?

In the end words are always just words, it's our (in the solitary sense) perceived meaning of the words that incites love, lust and hate -- that is subject to change over time.

[radamanthys]

:rofl: Is it too late to claim that I did that on purpose? Bah, who am I kidding? You darkies all look alike to me.

:rofl:

[Clove]

So calling you fucktarded doesn't offend you anymore? Shit now what?

[Parkbandit]

And the trolls just come out of the wood work. I just love how a few examples of my not accepting police bullshit turns me into a cop basher ... get the fuck over yourself and get a real fucking insult.

Actually, I think it was the fact that you were bragging about not listening to cops and never getting a ticket that made most think you are a cop bashing piece of shit. Like you said though, get the fuck over yourself. You must be a real gang banging bad ass, huh. :rofl:



Yay for you that you didn't get insulted by Cuban jokes. Do you want a fucking party? Are you THE fucking representative of all Cubans?

I think she was showing how your feigned "outrage" is retarded.


Your description of the PC is what it has evolved into ... YOU were on the front lines of editing and deleting half of the shit that gets posted on this current incarnation.

:rofl: Wait, weren't you asked to step down because you were THE worst moderator in the history of the PC? That's a huge glass house you are throwing stones around in.. be careful.



Yes people need to come here with thick skins ... because it's perfectly acceptable to rip into someone's intellect ... not their race, not their sexuality. Why is race and sexual orientation protected, but other traits aren't?

Just because it happens doesn't mean it's ok, that it's acceptable. Maybe people that find offense to these sort of slurs aren't the ones that need to GTFO.

That is your opinion... not a steadfast rule of this forum. I mean, you talk about wanting guys swinging on your nuts and humping your leg.. sorry, I'll probably infer you are a homosexual.



Facepalm yourself into a fucking coma and spare us the bullshit.

You first.

[Parkbandit]

I run a recreation program at the local park.
On Wednesdays, we play Bingo.
Riddle me this:

What is it called when you have all of the numbers on your bingo card called and covered?

Blackout.

FUCK, I fell for the old person trap!

[CrystalTears]

Actually, I think it was the fact that you were bragging about not listening to cops and never getting a ticket that made most think you are a cop bashing piece of shit. Like you said though, get the fuck over yourself. You must be a real gang banging bad ass, huh. :rofl:



I think she was showing how your feigned "outrage" is retarded.



:rofl: Wait, weren't you asked to step down because you were THE worst moderator in the history of the PC? That's a huge glass house you are throwing stones around in.. be careful.




That is your opinion... not a steadfast rule of this forum. I mean, you talk about wanting guys swinging on your nuts and humping your leg.. sorry, I'll probably infer you are a homosexual.



You first.
:heart:

Only Tsa`ah has the unique gift to unite the PC masses.

[Parkbandit]

:heart:

Only Tsa`ah has the unique gift to unite the PC masses.

Tsa'ah reminds me of how much I miss Ashliana. While Tsa'ah's good at filling in for a little bit with his own brand of stupidity, he simply doesn't have the stubborn staying power It has.

[TheWitch]

Blackout.

FUCK, I fell for the old person trap!

:rofl:

Yea, me too.

Pretty good example of oversensitivity in the name of political correctness. What reasonable person actually thinks that was a racial slur, and yet...it's properly called full card bingo in our enlightened age.

[AnticorRifling]

:rofl:

Yea, me too.

Pretty good example of oversensitivity in the name of political correctness. What reasonable person actually thinks that was a racial slur, and yet...it's properly called full card bingo in our enlightened age.

I'll remember that the next time there is an air raid we'll make sure the city uses "Full light reduction procedures"

[Nieninque]

:rofl: Wait, weren't you asked to step down because you were THE worst moderator in the history of the PC? That's a huge glass house you are throwing stones around in.. be careful.

He was demoted I believe. The only Mod ever to have experienced that.
He was also single handedly responsible for fucking up one of the most legendary threads on the forums (the Fuck You Gaymasters thread). Just didnt read the same once he "moderated" it.

[Latrinsorm]

So we can go on getting offended by mere words, or we can realize that the ones using the words (outside the express purpose to offend us) don't understand what that word means to us.What I'm saying is there's a third option past you and Tsa`ah, one that is expressly disinterested in offense caused. Included in this position is the idea that words can have objective meanings, but this is less important.
There's nothing intrinsically wrong with either side -- although the sympathetic side would probably disagree.This is completely accurate: I do disagree! :) I think I would put it the following way: a person ought to be aware of the words they use. My father knew a fellow in college who grew up referring to garbage collectors as "sheenies", after the fashion of his grandmother. Would anyone not encourage him to change his choice of terms? Further, how would my father being Jewish or black or Inca matter? Please note that I'm not proposing a person ought to be shamed or otherwise censored, only that they should bring their pre-conscious reasonings into the light so as to see them.

[Bhuryn]

What I'm saying is there's a third option past you and Tsa`ah, one that is expressly disinterested in offense caused. Included in this position is the idea that words can have objective meanings, but this is less important.


It's not really possible to give objective meanings to a creative medium in my opinion, but like you said, that's less important =).



This is completely accurate: I do disagree! :) I think I would put it the following way: a person ought to be aware of the words they use. My father knew a fellow in college who grew up referring to garbage collectors as "sheenies", after the fashion of his grandmother. Would anyone not encourage him to change his choice of terms? Further, how would my father being Jewish or black or Inca matter? Please note that I'm not proposing a person ought to be shamed or otherwise censored, only that they should bring their pre-conscious reasonings into the light so as to see them.

I said early on that it's well within expectations that you might say "hey that offends me!". It is not within your rights to expect someone to change simply because you are offended however. Like I said before, it's not my job to lookout for your feelings. I know it sounds cold, and it's not really the way I live my life (I try to not offend anyone except socialist scumbags), but it is what it is.

Note: I use these pronouns for clarity more then anything they're not intended to refer to someone specific =).

[Lord Orbstar]

Latrinstorm is right and presents their thought in a proper light. This board does serve as an example of what happens when psuedo-anarchist, left thinking, pot smoking gamer nerds can let their id run free.
There is anonymity in the mob that encourages the basest of people to let it all hang out. There is a REASON almost every forum/board out there has a moderator. I moderated the Vault network boards for Dark Age of Camelot in its heyday...it was a job.

Here, I do wish whoever the fuck owns them would moderate at least a little. There is no reason or call for some of the stuff written. "just words" would have me beat you to the ground in person and take you to jail. There should be some consequence for spiteful behaviour carefully crafted to hurt another persons feelings.

Swear words, offering to fuck each other in the ass, calling someone an opinionated bitch, and the gamut of smut is low-brow but ultimately not hurtful. Singling out a person because they are a homo or minority is not socially acceptable and crosses a line that shouldn't be. Except those fucking Muslims, of course.

I am currently deployed (Army) and it is my job to take care of them. No need to pile on here.









Although, there ARE good muslims too. I helped my last interpreter from Afghanistan emigrate to California. Took him 2 years. Bottom line: people are the same and you should treat each other with consideration.

Some of you were fucked by your fathers and have no such empathy, however. I understand.

[Bobrobertbobson]

This, exactly.

If you think it's true, you wouldn't find it to be any more funny than "1+1=2".

That's pretty much why Borat's antisemitism was so hilarious. It was so over the top ignorant and stupid that you can't help but laugh at that, not because "Yeah throwing Jews down a well is an awesome idea!"

I know this comes a little late, and it's a tangent, but... that scene was seriously disturbing. Not because Sascha Baron Cohen is in public singing "throw the Jew down the well," but because the whole damn bar is singing along with him! Seriously, WTF is wrong with people?

[4a6c1]

Blah blah blah


I like u. We should have the buttseks.

[Parkbandit]

I know this comes a little late, and it's a tangent, but... that scene was seriously disturbing. Not because Sascha Baron Cohen is in public singing "throw the Jew down the well," but because the whole damn bar is singing along with him! Seriously, WTF is wrong with people?

If you are so sensitive to take such offense to it, you should wrap yourself in bubble wrap. Kind of like this:

http://fotosa.ru/stock_photo/image100/p_2468820.jpg

Only don't forget to wrap the head.. it seems to be the most delicate.

[Anebriated]

There is a REASON almost every forum/board out there has a moderator. I moderated the Vault network boards for Dark Age of Camelot in its heyday...it was a job.

It better not have been you that got me perma-banned.... You ever work on the Lancelot boards?

[Bobrobertbobson]

But you're right, the PC is full of dicks and bitches and just using this place for letting out frustration... or whatever else is pissing them off at the time... and then move on to something else to complain about. :D

That being said, this forum isn't a secret. The GS community knows about it as I've heard them talk about it at GS gatherings and such. They may not participate but they know all about the vile and general crankiness that goes on. So if you know how the crowd is and you go in to post, why do people become surprised when they get attacked for saying, well, for lack of a better word... something stupid?

Here's the thing... this kind of IS a revelation to me. I played GS for years without knowing about these forums. When I found them I didn't stray too far from the merchant folders until recently. I never realized how many idiots were on here, who have built a mutually reinforcing community of ass-clownery.

Many of you are parroting the same line, that the offenders should say whatever the fuck they want and the offended should grow a pair and shut up. It's not one or the other, it's both. Sure, it's a worthwhile goal to grow a thicker skin, but the world can be equally improved by reducing the need for one (i.e. silencing the assholes).

I've met lots of wonderful people playing GS. I figured these forums would be representative of the same pool of people. I stand corrected.

[Daniel]

There is no reason or call for some of the stuff written. "just words" would have me beat you to the ground in person and take you to jail.

Bottom line: people are the same and you should treat each other with consideration.

Some of you were fucked by your fathers and have no such empathy, however. I understand.

This.

[diethx]

Here's the thing... this kind of IS a revelation to me. I played GS for years without knowing about these forums. When I found them I didn't stray too far from the merchant folders until recently. I never realized how many idiots were on here, who have built a mutually reinforcing community of ass-clownery.

Many of you are parroting the same line, that the offenders should say whatever the fuck they want and the offended should grow a pair and shut up. It's not one or the other, it's both. Sure, it's a worthwhile goal to grow a thicker skin, but the world can be equally improved by reducing the need for one (i.e. silencing the assholes).

I've met lots of wonderful people playing GS. I figured these forums would be representative of the same pool of people. I stand corrected.

So if we're so terrible, stop posting.

[Bobrobertbobson]

There are three reasons I don't just stop posting:

1) The car crash effect. It's hard not to stare at the menagerie due to, not despite, the fact that it is grotesque.

2) Some truly admirable people have come out of the woodwork in response to the assholes. That is quite the silver lining.

3) This makes for excellent procrastination, and I have been known for some damn fine procrastinating.

Despite that, I'll probably get bored soon and spend my time on something more productive than reading and shaking my head.

[Anebriated]

Here's the thing... this kind of IS a revelation to me. I played GS for years without knowing about these forums. When I found them I didn't stray too far from the merchant folders until recently. I never realized how many idiots were on here, who have built a mutually reinforcing community of ass-clownery.

Many of you are parroting the same line, that the offenders should say whatever the fuck they want and the offended should grow a pair and shut up. It's not one or the other, it's both. Sure, it's a worthwhile goal to grow a thicker skin, but the world can be equally improved by reducing the need for one (i.e. silencing the assholes).

I've met lots of wonderful people playing GS. I figured these forums would be representative of the same pool of people. I stand corrected.

You forget that you are the new kid on the block here. Most of the regulars here have been posting on these boards for 5+ years(when did they move to the new boards?). When you have a group that has been together that long, even though most of us have never met one another, you grow tight with one another. I know more about random PC posters than I do about kids in my classes, people I work with, etc. When you have that sort of comfort level with one another you tend to let guards down and throw political correctness out the window and resort to more dialect used between good friends. When new posters join its not that we dont like them(although its true most of the time) it just takes time for everyone to get acclimated. Just like being the new kid in school the new poster has to prove themselves before they get the 'respect' of the other posters.

edit: just noticed Ive been a member since 2003 and I know I didnt sign up for the new boards right away so well say at least 6 years since the boards converted. I forget how long it was around before it changed.

[diethx]

Okay, so then continue to post and just realize you aren't going to change anyone's opinion, either way. Just stop making yourself a target because you have thin skin.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Sure, it's a worthwhile goal to grow a thicker skin, but the world can be equally improved by reducing the need for one (i.e. silencing the assholes).

I'm gonna use a real world example here.

Lemme preface by saying, in the real world, trying to reduce the need for a thick skin breeds mediocrity. Where we try to shield the losers from knowing they lost, the subpar from knowing they aren't even average, and everything else under the sun.

When I was in culinary school, I hated the "feel good" teachers, who would look at my fallen souffle and say, "Oh, well it's okay, better luck next time, you just need practice!" I liked the teachers who looked at that souffle and said, "What the fuck is this? Would you feed it to someone in a restaurant? Would you feed this shit to your mother?"

Frankly, it was the second stuff that made me grow as a professional, and pushed me to do better, and made me want to get the respect of mentors and peers. And it's working in kitchens now, surrounded by people who aren't afraid to call out if someone else is doing shitty work, because you know, shitty work is a great way to make the restaurant fail and everyone loses their job, that reaffirms this.

The world would not be a better place if people were only nicer and everything was comfy and bubble-wrapped. The world would be fake and dishonest, boring, and extremely mediocre.

If you're idea of a better world is the world described above, more power to you but don't be surprised that so many people don't agree, at all.

[Bobrobertbobson]

For anyone who is actually interested in identifying their own prejudices, the better to change them:

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html

[Ravenstorm]

Okay, so then continue to post and just realize you aren't going to change anyone's opinion, either way. Just stop making yourself a target because you have thin skin.

It never hurts to try to change someone's opinion. Once in a while, you even succeed and hopefully the world is a little bit of a better place because of it. Just realize that some people are just ones you'd never tolerate in your life offline. They aren't worth getting upset over and it's even easier to ignore that type of person online.

[diethx]

It never hurts to try to change someone's opinion. Once in a while, you even succeed and hopefully the world is a little bit of a better place because of it. Just realize that some people are just ones you'd never tolerate in your life offline. They aren't worth getting upset over and it's even easier to ignore that type of person online.

He tried, he failed. That's why I said from now on he needs to realize that he's never going to be able to, otherwise if he keeps pushing and whining he's gonna make people give him more shit.

[Latrinsorm]

The world would not be a better place if people were only nicer and everything was comfy and bubble-wrapped. The world would be fake and dishonest, boring, and extremely mediocre. As you gave a real-world example from your time as a student, allow me to rebut with my experiences (including only those I observed first-hand of my classmates).

The school I went to had one professor in its physics department who absolutely hated teaching, the city we were in, and most of all the students he was forced to teach. He transmitted these feelings to us without restraint, reducing more than one student to tears (no, I was not one of them). I never met a student who considered their experience in his classroom worthwhile.

The school I went to also had a professor who had very high expectations of his students, and would in private give unflinching assessments of their performance regardless of the emotional impact. More than one student felt extremely stupid after these assessments (and I was one of them), but I never met a student who considered him a bad teacher. Quite to the contrary, he was consistently rated among the top three teachers in the school.

I guess my point is that a person can be honest, motivational, and clear without being hateful, mean, and cruel. The only choices aren't "hyper-PC pantywaist" and "knuckleheaded jackass". You describe the world where people choosing the first runs amok, is our best alternative really the one dominated by the second? or can we try something a little nicer? (Just a little?)

[Ravenstorm]

He tried, he failed. That's why I said from now on he needs to realize that he's never going to be able to, otherwise if he keeps pushing and whining he's gonna make people give him more shit.

There's a certain nobility in tilting at windmills. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUbFZ-pXn0w)

(I hadn't really intended to link a video but the reference made me go watch it on Youtube.)

(edited to switch videos)

[Bobrobertbobson]

He tried, he failed. That's why I said from now on he needs to realize that he's never going to be able to, otherwise if he keeps pushing and whining he's gonna make people give him more shit.

Um... I get where you're coming from, but please don't condescend to "educate" me. I'm wise/old/whatever enough to make my own choices. And for the record, I received at least one rep comment indicating that I DID make someone rethink their viewpoint. That made my day.

[diethx]

Um... I get where you're coming from, but please don't condescend to "educate" me. I'm wise/old/whatever enough to make my own choices. And for the record, I received at least one rep comment indicating that I DID make someone rethink their viewpoint. That made my day.

I'm not trying to "educate" you. I'm telling you however, that whining impresses no one here. You refuse to stop posting, you refuse to accept how people choose to behave here, and you have the balls to try and tell people that they're wrong and you're right, based solely upon your opinion. I'm just trying to do you a favor by letting you know it won't get you too far, and maybe you should just accept us for how we are and maybe we'll accept you for how you are. Whether or not you like it.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I guess my point is that a person can be honest, motivational, and clear without being hateful, mean, and cruel. The only choices aren't "hyper-PC pantywaist" and "knuckleheaded jackass". You describe the world where people choosing the first runs amok, is our best alternative really the one dominated by the second? or can we try something a little nicer? (Just a little?)

Which gets back to, under who's perception is something hateful, mean, or cruel?

There's something to be learned from everything, INCLUDING what you may perceive as "hateful, mean, or cruel". Getting all butt-hurt and turning yourself into a victim accomplishes absolutely nothing. Detaching yourself from the situation, assessing why said person is being hateful, mean, or cruel, figuring out if there's anything legitimate from what they're saying, and then forming an opinion from there WITHOUT turning yourself into a poor, offended martyr is ultimately a lot more beneficial for personal growth.

I think when you reach too hard to make everyone meet middle ground on something so heavily entrenched in perception, you're still going to err on the side with the thin-skinned pussies.

[Bhuryn]

As you gave a real-world example from your time as a student, allow me to rebut with my experiences (including only those I observed first-hand of my classmates).

The school I went to had one professor in its physics department who absolutely hated teaching, the city we were in, and most of all the students he was forced to teach. He transmitted these feelings to us without restraint, reducing more than one student to tears (no, I was not one of them). I never met a student who considered their experience in his classroom worthwhile.

The school I went to also had a professor who had very high expectations of his students, and would in private give unflinching assessments of their performance regardless of the emotional impact. More than one student felt extremely stupid after these assessments (and I was one of them), but I never met a student who considered him a bad teacher. Quite to the contrary, he was consistently rated among the top three teachers in the school.

I guess my point is that a person can be honest, motivational, and clear without being hateful, mean, and cruel. The only choices aren't "hyper-PC pantywaist" and "knuckleheaded jackass". You describe the world where people choosing the first runs amok, is our best alternative really the one dominated by the second? or can we try something a little nicer? (Just a little?)

Let me give you an example then:

Pretty much the entire population of my home town that I grew up with used the word "gay" all the time. "This is gay, that's gay..." It was eventually more synonymous with the word "dumb" or "stupid" then it was with "a couple of the same sex". Does that mean all of those people are insensitive to "gays" or... could it be that the word took on an all together different meaning?

I know the initial thought process is to jump right to "Yes! They hate gays, obviously", but think about it. There are probably thousands of examples (it's way to late) of words you use that adopted a wholly different meaning from their original definition. A select few of them are offensive to some people, but is using them within the newly defined context "hateful" if that's not your intention for the word?

[Ravenstorm]

Does that mean all of those people are insensitive to "gays" or...

Yes. The answer is very much yes. Does it mean they hate gays? No. Insensitive? Very much so. And every time they say it in front of some closeted gay kid struggling to accept who he is, it's reinforcing just how 'bad, lame and stupid' what he is is. The origin of the "new" meaning of the word is quite very clear.

That might not be what they mean to do but that is what happens.

[Bhuryn]

Yes. The answer is very much yes. Does it mean they hate gays? No. Insensitive? Very much so. And every time they say it in front of some closeted gay kid struggling to accept who he is, it's reinforcing just how 'bad, lame and stupid' what he is is. The origin of the "new" meaning of the word is quite very clear.

That might not be what they mean to do but that is what happens.

What about stupid, dumb, retarded, lame? I find the high throne some of you think you sit on pretty unlikely.

[diethx]

This whole thread has become pretty gay.

[Ravenstorm]

This whole thread has become pretty gay.

Only once I linked to a musical.

[diethx]

Nah it was gay long before that. :/

[Latrinsorm]

A select few of them are offensive to some people, but is using them within the newly defined context "hateful" if that's not your intention for the word?The word I would use is "indifferent", which is the only thing I've been interested in all along. Hate can't be reasoned with, a good man's indifference is a totally different animal. Your example is a gravely unfortunate illustration of how tenacious and pervasive indifference can be.
Which gets back to, under who's perception is something hateful, mean, or cruel?I think we can agree that some people are just jerks, and I also think it ought to offend you as a thinking person if you hear "well it's just someone's perception" used as an excuse for said jerks.
I think when you reach too hard to make everyone meet middle ground on something so heavily entrenched in perception, you're still going to err on the side with the thin-skinned pussies.Luckily I'm practically perfect in every way, so I never err! :)

[Androidpk]

Yes. The answer is very much yes. Does it mean they hate gays? No. Insensitive? Very much so. And every time they say it in front of some closeted gay kid struggling to accept who he is, it's reinforcing just how 'bad, lame and stupid' what he is is. The origin of the "new" meaning of the word is quite very clear.

That might not be what they mean to do but that is what happens.

Well..maybe gay people should have picked a more suitable sounding name.
Because gay is a pretty stupid word and sounds really..gay?

Yeah.

[diethx]

They just stole the word anyway. It meant happy first. So I don't see anything wrong with us using the word to mean something totally new.

[Anebriated]

gay
  /geɪ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [gey] Show IPA adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb
Use gay in a Sentence
–adjective
1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music.
2. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments.
3. given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a gay social season.
4. licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a gay old rogue with an eye for the ladies.
5. of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a gay organization.



Maybe they should have picked a word that didnt already have a meaning.

[Bhuryn]

The word I would use is "indifferent", which is the only thing I've been interested in all along. Hate can't be reasoned with, a good man's indifference is a totally different animal. Your example is a gravely unfortunate illustration of how tenacious and pervasive indifference can be.

you call it indifference, I call it the natural progression (or regression if you want it that way) of communication. Again though, I guarantee you use your fair share of words that could be considered offensive to someone, someplace, some time without even realizing it. I don't intend for that to be insulting, but it's probably something to be considered before we jump all over people using a offensive "words".

[Anebriated]

well think about the whole regulation of what can and cant be said on air. Compare whats allowed now with what was allowed 10, 15, 20 years ago.

[Latrinsorm]

Again though, I guarantee you use your fair share of words that could be considered offensive to someone, someplace, some time without even realizing it.I'm a deaf-mute. :|

No, but seriously, I have consciously removed the terms you're talking about in favor of statements like "oh, that's annoying" or "that is certainly a sub-optimal situation", so instead of slurring anyone I sound a little pretentious, which is good because I am. It takes a surprisingly short amount of time to recalibrate one's vocabulary (or maybe I'm unusually susceptible to brainwashing), and I grew up in a town like yours.

It is still worth noting that strictly speaking I'm not concerned with offending people. I am concerned with doing the right thing. Sometimes that requires lots of reflection and personal maintenance, other times it just requires a reminder from a stranger.

[Bhuryn]

I'm a deaf-mute. :|

No, but seriously, I have consciously removed the terms you're talking about in favor of statements like "oh, that's annoying" or "that is certainly a sub-optimal situation", so instead of slurring anyone I sound a little pretentious, which is good because I am. It takes a surprisingly short amount of time to recalibrate one's vocabulary (or maybe I'm unusually susceptible to brainwashing), and I grew up in a town like yours.

It is still worth noting that strictly speaking I'm not concerned with offending people. I am concerned with doing the right thing. Sometimes that requires lots of reflection and personal maintenance, other times it just requires a reminder from a stranger.


I don't doubt this at all, since indifference is human nature, sympathy and hate are learned responses.

[radamanthys]

I don't doubt this at all, since indifference is human nature, sympathy and hate are learned responses.

I think peacefulness is the learned response. Human nature, left alone, is rather violent. We're pretty well used to killing for food and distrusting anyone who would jeopardize our next meal.

[Lord Orbstar]

I worked on the Percival Forums..the roleplay server. Most of my posts were in character too. heh. Kind of like the way Gemstone is supposed to be and why i keep getting drawn back to the game.

[Bhuryn]

I think peacefulness is the learned response. Human nature, left alone, is rather violent. We're pretty well used to killing for food and distrusting anyone who would jeopardize our next meal.

You're talking about two different things. Violence is an action, indifference is an emotion, or lack there of.

[Tisket]

We're pretty well used to killing for food and distrusting anyone who would jeopardize our next meal.

I agree with this. Reach for that last piece of pie and risk getting stabbed in the hand with a fork.

/Miss Manners

[radamanthys]

I agree with this. Reach for that last piece of pie and risk getting stabbed in the hand with a fork.

/Miss Manners

What flavor? I went out and picked raspberries and made a pie today. I'd certainly trade the pie for a good forking.

[Tisket]

I have no prejudice against any flavor pie. WTF is wrong with you for even suggesting as much??

[radamanthys]

I have no prejudice against any flavor pie. WTF is wrong with you for even suggesting as much??

Because of what you are, there's no doubt that you have prejudice against pie flavors. You have to. You just don't know it.

[Tisket]

Don't try to make me out to be a pie racist. I like them all EQUALLY. I might've mocked apple pie that one time but that was all in good fun.

[radamanthys]

Don't try to make me out to be a pie racist. I like them all EQUALLY. I might've mocked apple pie that one time but that was all in good fun.

See, you don't understand. You're human. You're a pie racist, you just don't realize it.

You're just reinforcing the stereotype that some pies are not delicious.

See, I'm above all that. I don't care whether a pie is delicious or not.

[CrystalTears]

Here's the thing... this kind of IS a revelation to me. I played GS for years without knowing about these forums.I find that a little hard to believe, but okay.

When I found them I didn't stray too far from the merchant folders until recently. I never realized how many idiots were on here, who have built a mutually reinforcing community of ass-clownery. Oh but it's okay for you to call us idiots when you don't even know any of us? Don't you think this is a bit hypocritical of you to be offended by racial slurs but it's alright for you to use a generalized insult?


Many of you are parroting the same line, that the offenders should say whatever the fuck they want and the offended should grow a pair and shut up. It's not one or the other, it's both. Sure, it's a worthwhile goal to grow a thicker skin, but the world can be equally improved by reducing the need for one (i.e. silencing the assholes).
Because this was about how the PC operates, not how people behave in the real world. This IS a forum for a fantasy roleplaying game first, where people met in GS and just grew to enjoy the forum for other reasons. So why we should suddenly have to be "PC" for outsiders is beyond me. This isn't some random forum that you look for on Google for talking about politics, it just happens to be spoken about here.

I like saying whatever the hell I want here. It's rather liberating. However I'm not this verbose live. I still hold the same values, principles and beliefs, but I'm not as bitchy about it as the opinionated bitch I portray here. This is where I come to release that bitch. I'm sorry if you don't like it. I'm not here to make you feel warm and fuzzy. If you don't like what I have to say, skip it or ignore me, I really don't care. It's not my job to help you feel secure.

[Fallen]

I don't think the ignore feature has come up enough in this thread. If you find a poster's content offensive, though still..for whatever stupid reason wish to read here, put them on ignore.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/profile.php?do=editlist

[ElvenFury]

Now I know why I saw that apple pie sobbing behind the diner that night.

Poor little pie. :'-(

[Parkbandit]

I find that a little hard to believe, but okay.
Oh but it's okay for you to call us idiots when you don't even know any of us? Don't you think this is a bit hypocritical of you to be offended by racial slurs but it's alright for you to use a generalized insult?


In his defense, Tsa'ah claims that it's ok to talk shit about anything except race and sexual orientation... those two traits are somehow special and should be protected from any hate speech.

[CrystalTears]

In his defense, Tsa'ah claims that it's ok to talk shit about anything except race and sexual orientation... those two traits are somehow special and should be protected from any hate speech.Are you saying Bobbobobobobob is really Tsa`ah's emo persona?

I see what you did there. :tongue:

[Gan]

Please refer to the quote in my sig.

That is all.

[Bobrobertbobson]

Are you saying Bobbobobobobob is really Tsa`ah's emo persona?

Tsa'ah and whatever history he has here is new to me.


Oh but it's okay for you to call us idiots when you don't even know any of us? Don't you think this is a bit hypocritical of you to be offended by racial slurs but it's alright for you to use a generalized insult?

This IS a forum for a fantasy roleplaying game first, where people met in GS and just grew to enjoy the forum for other reasons. So why we should suddenly have to be "PC" for outsiders is beyond me.

It's not my job to help you feel secure.


Yep, it's okay for me to call people on their BEHAVIOR, which is different from attacking their race, religion, etc. I know you don't think so. I do.

Yes, this is a forum for Gemstone first. I figured the fact that I actually play GS, unlike many of the trolls around here, would make me not an outsider. According to some of you, the secret handshake entails being a jerk to everyone for a while.

It sure isn't your job to help me feel secure. Nobody asked you to.

[radamanthys]

Tsa'ah and whatever history he has here is new to me.




Yep, it's okay for me to call people on their BEHAVIOR, which is different from attacking their race, religion, etc. I know you don't think so. I do.

Yes, this is a forum for Gemstone first. I figured the fact that I actually play GS, unlike many of the trolls around here, would make me not an outsider. According to some of you, the secret handshake entails being a jerk to everyone for a while.

It sure isn't your job to help me feel secure. Nobody asked you to.

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/eduwonkette/upload/2008/06/holding_a_mirror_up_to_the_edu_1/missed-the-boat.jpg

This happens often to you, doesn't it.

[diethx]

Yes, this is a forum for Gemstone first. I figured the fact that I actually play GS, unlike many of the trolls around here, would make me not an outsider. According to some of you, the secret handshake entails being a jerk to everyone for a while.

It sure isn't your job to help me feel secure. Nobody asked you to.

Except no one would've been a jerk to you (at least not for this, not now) if you didn't start a thread on how we're terrible, racist fucks because we, mostly, have a sense of humor and aren't as easily offended as you are. You brought it on yourself.

Most people who want to join some kind of group don't usually first go about it by insulting and complaining about its members, but whatever.

[CrystalTears]

Yep, it's okay for me to call people on their BEHAVIOR, which is different from attacking their race, religion, etc. I know you don't think so. I do.No, it's not okay to label everyone other than yourself on these boards a jerk or an idiot just for posting here. If you point out specifically who is a jerk, be my guest. I'm sure they'll find lots of colorful adjectives for you as well.


Yes, this is a forum for Gemstone first. I figured the fact that I actually play GS, unlike many of the trolls around here, would make me not an outsider. According to some of you, the secret handshake entails being a jerk to everyone for a while.No, what I'm saying is that if you choose to be a part of the forums after seeing how people post, understand how the forum behaves and work with it. If you don't like that people make insulting and/or racial commentary, either confront the offender, report the offender or walk away. Making a blanket statement is not going to accomplish anything.


It sure isn't your job to help me feel secure. Nobody asked you to.
But you're basically asking that people watch what they say. No one came to your house and told that you that they were "jewed" or that you are gay. To take offense to a word rather than the context is absurd.

This whole thread is so beef wellington.

[AnticorRifling]

This whole thread is so beef wellington. Always makes me smile and the sad part is I'm going to have to look up why we went with that.

[Nieninque]

Except no one would've been a jerk to you (at least not for this, not now) if you didn't start a thread on how we're terrible, racist fucks

Pretty sure that's not what was said. Grats on exaggerating a comment to the point that you look stupid...business as usual.


because we, mostly, have a sense of humor
Pretty sure most, if not all, people have a sense of humour. They vary. Not everyone is as easily amused as your stupid arse. Please don't bundle the whole PC into the fucktarded group you claim to belong to. Some of us have a sense of humour more sophisticated than "HAHAHA U SED NIGGER!""


and aren't as easily offended as you are. You brought it on yourself.
So what's your excuse?


Most people who want to join some kind of group don't usually first go about it by insulting and complaining about its members, but whatever.
Are you telling me that what people write here is beyond reproach? That people are not allowed to ask questions about it or challenge it? Surely that's the whole basis of a discussion board?

As emotive as you claim he is being (for an actually quite reasonable point) you and some of the others are also being at least as much as, if not moreso, for him having the audacity to question your authoritae.

Quite comical really.

As for "want[ing] to join [this] group", I'm of the opinion that in order to join a group of posters to a message board, all one is required to do is register...as such, he has already done so and is every part a member of this group as you are. Quelle surprise!

[Nieninque]

Always makes me smile and the sad part is I'm going to have to look up why we went with that.

I'm pretty sure that you were the lead on that. Had it for dinner that day or something?

[AnticorRifling]

I'm pretty sure that you were the lead on that. Had it for dinner that day or something? I've never had it which makes it even funnier.

[Nieninque]

THat makes it gay

[CrystalTears]

As for "want[ing] to join [this] group", I'm of the opinion that in order to join a group of posters to a message board, all one is required to do is register...as such, he has already done so and is every part a member of this group as you are. Quelle surprise!
I don't know about you, but before I join a forum, I read it for a while to see what the audience is like. If it's reactions and emotions that I can deal with, I join and engage. I don't just jump in and then be surprised by the responses, but again, that's just me. I realize some people like to take risks.

[Nieninque]

I don't know about you, but before I join a forum, I read it for a while to see what the audience is like. If it's reactions and emotions that I can deal with, I join and engage. I don't just jump in and then be surprised by the responses, but again, that's just me. I realize some people like to take risks.

I'm not particularly bothered by him, to be honest, moreso with Diethx's stupid implication that there is some special group here that people have to take some kind of initiation test to join.

Fuck's sake, she is a poster here, as is stainley and warclaidhm. You don't have to be anything special to be in this particular group.

(although there are obviously some real gems amongst all the shit :rah:

[Bhuryn]

I'm not particularly bothered by him, to be honest, moreso with Diethx's stupid implication that there is some special group here that people have to take some kind of initiation test to join.

Fuck's sake, she is a poster here, as is stainley and warclaidhm. You don't have to be anything special to be in this particular group.

(although there are obviously some real gems amongst all the shit :rah:

Yeah, like me.

[AnticorRifling]

Aha



For the rest of the week I'm going to associate stupid/dumb/retarded to the word beef wellington. If that pisses you off please U2U me.

11/20/2004. Methais wins that thread by saying this is beef wellington(the kind of beef wellington that wants to sleep with other beef wellingtons)

[CrystalTears]

I wasn't annoyed by him either until the trolls and jerks commentary. My initial response was actually towards someone else who totally got the bait and had a meltdown.

[diethx]

I don't know about you, but before I join a forum, I read it for a while to see what the audience is like. If it's reactions and emotions that I can deal with, I join and engage. I don't just jump in and then be surprised by the responses, but again, that's just me. I realize some people like to take risks.

It's ok, we know snaggletooth just as a hardon for me. It's nothing new.


I'm not particularly bothered by him, to be honest, moreso with Diethx's stupid implication that there is some special group here that people have to take some kind of initiation test to join.

It wasn't my implication. I was simply giving an example because HE was the one who mentioned being an outsider and some secret handshake. And despite what you might think, the people on the PC do make up a group. A group of people who post on a single internet forum. Whether or not we all like each other is irrelevant.

[radamanthys]

It's ok, we know snaggletooth just as a hardon for me. It's nothing new.



It wasn't my implication. I was simply giving an example because HE was the one who mentioned being an outsider and some secret handshake. And despite what you might think, the people on the PC do make up a group. A group of people who post on a single internet forum. Whether or not we all like each other is irrelevant.

Some of us have been posting here for like 5 years. It's like a retarded-ass family.

[AnticorRifling]

You're forgetting the cutover in your time frame fucker.

[radamanthys]

You're forgetting the cutover in your time frame fucker.

That's true. How long total, then?

(we're still a retarded-ass family)

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Some of us have been posting here for like 5 years. It's like a retarded-ass family.

omg that iz so offensive!!1

[radamanthys]

omg that iz so offensive!!1

http://the5thdimension.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/retards8.jpg

That's Tsa'ah over there on the right.

[diethx]

Some of us have been posting here for like 5 years. It's like a retarded-ass family.

Oh, I know.


That's Tsa'ah over there on the right.

rofl

[AnticorRifling]

That's true. How long total, then?

(we're still a retarded-ass family) The Players' Corner opened August 17, 2001. Some of us came from the forum that spawned this place as well. So going on 8 years here + more time prior to the birth of the PC.

[AnticorRifling]

http://the5thdimension.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/retards8.jpg

That's Tsa'ah over there on the right. Always fun when my co worker is sitting in her cubicle with her daughter that has downs. Did Nekk put you up to this in, yet another, attempt to get me fired?!

[Nieninque]

It's ok, we know snaggletooth just as a hardon for me. It's nothing new.

STFU fatty


It wasn't my implication. I was simply giving an example because HE was the one who mentioned being an outsider

You missed the part where he responded to being referred to as an outsider?

[Daniel]

Aha



11/20/2004. Methais wins that thread by saying this is beef wellington(the kind of beef wellington that wants to sleep with other beef wellingtons)

Man, that was a fucking long time ago. I feel sick to my stomach to think that I can say I've grown old with some of you people.

[ElvenFury]

Always fun when my co worker is sitting in her cubicle with her daughter that has downs. Did Nekk put you up to this in, yet another, attempt to get me fired?!

I constantly forget that my friend works with families with Down's kids. She once asked me if I could use chopsticks, to which I replied "Yes, because I don't have down's syndrome". In my defense, she did snarf/laugh her scorpion bowl all over the table before she called me an asshole. :-/

[AnticorRifling]

Man, that was a fucking long time ago. I feel sick to my stomach to think that I can say I've grown old with some of you people.
Dude I couldn't drink and wasn't married when I started posting here. I'm 28 now and going on my 5 or 6 year (fuck I need to look that up) anniversary.

[diethx]

You missed the part where he responded to being referred to as an outsider?

Not by me, you festering labial ulcer. :D

[AnticorRifling]

I constantly forget that my friend works with families with Down's kids. She once asked me if I could use chopsticks, to which I replied "Yes, because I don't have down's syndrome". In my defense, she did snarf/laugh her scorpion bowl all over the table before she called me an asshole. :-/
Nekk (StrayRogue) almost got me fired with a picture of me acting like a dumb ass photoshopped to look like Cartman from the special olympics episode. I was at a client's desk killing time while I did some work on his system. So I'm reading the boards and laughing at this picture when he walks in, sees the picture, sees me laughing...I then look at the picture on his desk and his daughter is mentally handicapped. Not fun, especially when that client was the CIO for a very, very large company.

[radamanthys]

Nekk (StrayRogue) almost got me fired with a picture of me acting like a dumb ass photoshopped to look like Cartman from the special olympics episode. I was at a client's desk killing time while I did some work on his system. So I'm reading the boards and laughing at this picture when he walks in, sees the picture, sees me laughing...I then look at the picture on his desk and his daughter is mentally handicapped. Not fun, especially when that client was the CIO for a very, very large company.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[CrystalTears]

Nekk (StrayRogue)Some Rogue

[AnticorRifling]

The pic would be easy to get, I think the story + pic is in the Picture Post thread which is way to freakin big to search.

[AnticorRifling]

Some Rogue
S**** Rogue damnit. Yeah him. Man that was an ass chewing and a half.

[Some Rogue]

Nekk (StrayRogue)

You son of a bitch.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/Durka.jpg

[Gan]

LOL


Nice shriner's fez. Yours?

[radamanthys]

hahahahaha

[Celephais]

I agree, I don't use the term JEW'D just like I wouldn't call someone a nigger
Actually, calling someone niggardly is a perfectly acceptable alternative, it actually means the same thing, but isn't racist in the slightest

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/niggardly

Stunseed, use that instead. (I'm not going to make it through this whole thread, I only read the first 50ish posts).

[Anebriated]

Man, that was a fucking long time ago. I feel sick to my stomach to think that I can say I've grown old with some of you people.

Dude I couldn't drink and wasn't married when I started posting here. I'm 28 now and going on my 5 or 6 year (fuck I need to look that up) anniversary.


registered since 2003 means I joined when I was 18.... I was registered although I didnt post much on the old site which if that was circa 2001 would put me at 16... I think I started playing GS at 14 in 1999.

[4a6c1]

You son of a bitch.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/Durka.jpg

:lol2:

[AnticorRifling]

LOL


Nice shriner's fez. Yours? Naw that's my buddy Erik's fez. I'm a mason but not a shriner. I was drunk as fuck in that picture, hence trying to eat that chip...

Here's the coffee mug that was delivered to my office with the pictures on it:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/anticor/Misc/cup2.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/anticor/Misc/Cup1.jpg

[Drew]

Anticor, stop posting pictures of Jeff Saturday with your coffee mug, please.

[RichardCranium]

At least he can make fun of himself. Like this guy:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k15/troydenh/8rycu.jpg

[DCSL]

I constantly forget that my friend works with families with Down's kids. She once asked me if I could use chopsticks, to which I replied "Yes, because I don't have down's syndrome". In my defense, she did snarf/laugh her scorpion bowl all over the table before she called me an asshole. :-/

My friends and I had just come back from seeing Van Hellsing and I was complaining that it sucked hard. One of my friends piped up and said that our friend Kevlin's brother LOVED it. I said, "Oh yeah? Well, he's retarded!" All their jaws dropped to the floor. His brother IS retarded. XD Oops.

[Back]

I’m not prejudiced. I love everyone.

[radamanthys]

I’m not prejudiced. I love everyone.

I'm not prejudiced, either. I hate everyone.

[4a6c1]

My friends and I had just come back from seeing Van Hellsing and I was complaining that it sucked hard. One of my friends piped up and said that our friend Kevlin's brother LOVED it. I said, "Oh yeah? Well, he's retarded!" All their jaws dropped to the floor. His brother IS retarded. XD Oops.

HAhaha. You made me laugh before coffee. Congradulations. That is some funny shit.