UFC 100

[Drew]

Predictions:

Lesnar vs Mir: Lesnar

GSP vs Alves: GSP

Henderson vs Bisping: Henderson


Betting:

Lesnar vs Mir: Mir

GSP vs Alves: Alves

Henderson vs Bisping: Henderson

[Jahira]

I will put 1 million silvers on Lesnar, GSP, Bisping - Drew

Do you even still play?

[Geshron]

Remember what Serra did to GSP. Alves is a monster, I'm betting and hoping on him and Frank Mir tonight. Dan Henderson should truly be a no-brainer.

[Fallen]

Having a bunch of people over for the fight.

My predictions:

Mir, GSP, Hendo.

[Jahira]

Serra hit GSP after GSP slipped on the matt and rocked GSP. Then just ground and pound him to the finish. In no way was the representative of GSPs true talent. GSP wins easy.

[Parkbandit]

Bisping is looking like a little bitch so far.. I want Henderson to knock him out.

[SHAFT]

holy shit! bisping needs a wheelchair

[Parkbandit]

ROFL.. I said "All he has to do is connect with one of those rights and Bisping is done" about 5 seconds before he did it.

The hit Henderson put on him after he was knocked out was priceless and definitely justified.

[Parkbandit]

Go Alves!

[Parkbandit]

OK.. maybe not :(

[SHAFT]

not sure why anyone would have picked alves. st. pierre is as good as it gets at this weight class. he's gotta fight a. silva.

brock lesnar an asshole? just a bit?

[Fallen]

Yeah, he was really hamming it up. Someone needs to remind him he isn't in the WWE anymore.

I called em 2 out of 3, not bad. Mir was completely dominated. Damn near 10/8 rounds.

[Skeeter]

I didn't expect Lesner to go ground and pound. Good strategy on his part. His victory speech might have been the best in history.

[Geshron]

"more spittle than speech"

I hope Dana White is furious with him dissing the main sponsor and the other nonsensical WWE crap that came out of his mouth. Sucks for Mir. Alves made me sad but, GSP is the champ for a reason. The Hendo fight was the shit!

[Drew]

GSP fights are so freakin boring. I wish that fight had been first, what a snooze fest. I love Lesnar, I don't care that he's a boor, he cracks me up. It's like rooting for Ivan Drago if he were raised in a trailer park.


I lost money betting tonight but betting UFC is so easy as long as you just keep betting big dogs, you always come out on top eventually.

[Drew]

I will put 1 million silvers on Lesnar, GSP, Bisping - Drew

Do you even still play?


I would have taken that bet with Vegas odds. Those were not straight up bets (straight up bets would be the same as my predictions).

[Jahira]

GSP proved he is the best in the weight class hands down. No one is close to him. I totally disagree it was a boring fight. He dominated the entire fight. He made take downs easy. When it was on top he did damage. He pulled his groin in something like the third round, and still whooped ass. GSP is an animal that can't be touched at that weight class. He is at his peak and will only start on the decline because he starts aging and other contenders will come up and out athlete him.

[Drew]

I view GSP the same way I view Floyd Mayweather in boxing. Both are extremely talented athletes; clearly the most athletic men in their weight class. Both frequently put on boring fights. Floyd is so fast that he ducks and avoids all punches and taps his opponents to win rounds. It is a clinic, but it's also clinical. GSP is the same, he waits until his opponent makes a small mistake and then pounces for the take down. Once he's there he uses his superior skills to stay on top and win the round on points. It's all very impressive but also very boring.

[LMingrone]

I need to see GSP vs. Silva. I don't care who needs to drop/gain weight. That's what I want to see. And maybe White will stop with his silly contracts while Fedor can still whoop ass.

[Drew]

I need to see GSP vs. Silva. I don't care who needs to drop/gain weight. That's what I want to see. And maybe White will stop with his silly contracts while Fedor can still whoop ass.



Yeah I'd love to see Fedor fight Lesnar!

[StrayRogue]

Really disappointed the Freak beat Mir. Love that guy. Bisping, again disappointing, but he really looked ineffectual against Hendo. GSP - well you'd have to be stupid to have called it any other way from the start.

[Fallen]

I need to see GSP vs. Silva. I don't care who needs to drop/gain weight. That's what I want to see. And maybe White will stop with his silly contracts while Fedor can still whoop ass.

GSP Silva wont happen for a bit. Silva is going up to 205 to fight Griffin.

The first fight of the night was also entertaining. That superman punch off the side of the cage looked like something out of a movie.

[Parkbandit]

not sure why anyone would have picked alves. st. pierre is as good as it gets at this weight class. he's gotta fight a. silva.

brock lesnar an asshole? just a bit?

Yea.. I'm a sucker for the underdog.

And Mir deserved what he got from Lesnar if you watched the pre-game. Mir has been belittling Lesnar since he got into the UFC. Great fight... Lesnar made Mir look like a chump and got the last laugh.

[StrayRogue]

Maybe the UFC will actually hire some heavyweights with actual class now. It's poor form to hand the belt to some paper, celebrity champion, match him against over-the-hillers, then suck his dick when he inevitably wins. He's the champion purely to fill inches in the sports journals, not because of his actual achievements. Put him against someone with real quality, and we'll see how much smack he talks.

That being said, Frank Mir is a great guy, and he was overwhelmed. The "lie-down-and-hope-for-an-opening" BJJ style isn't suited for the G&P leviathan's like Lesnar.

[Parkbandit]

"more spittle than speech"

I hope Dana White is furious with him dissing the main sponsor and the other nonsensical WWE crap that came out of his mouth. Sucks for Mir. Alves made me sad but, GSP is the champ for a reason. The Hendo fight was the shit!

I didn't view it as nonsensical WWE crap.. I viewed it as a guy who doesn't answer to anyone and if you don't like it you can come on into the ring with him. God, I am so glad he made Mir look like a big mouth fool. I was already a Lesnar fan, but the pre-match show made me a BIG Lesnar fan.. and someone who wanted to see Mir get his face turned into ground beef.

[Parkbandit]

Maybe the UFC will actually hire some heavyweights with actual class now. It's poor form to hand the belt to some paper, celebrity champion, match him against over-the-hillers, then suck his dick when he inevitably wins. He's the champion purely to fill inches in the sports journals, not because of his actual achievements. Put him against someone with real quality, and we'll see how much smack he talks.

Who has real quality that can stand up to Lesnar? Mir was supposed to be that guy.. with the odds of the match favoring Mir... and Lesnar absolutely destroyed him. It wasn't even a close match.

I love all the people who feel he's undeserving because he spent sometime as a wrestler in the WWE. These people typically forget he was a great amateur wrestler.

There's no one right now that can stand up to Lesnar right now.

[StrayRogue]

How about the best heavyweight in the world?

[Soulpieced]

Who has real quality that can stand up to Lesnar? Mir was supposed to be that guy.. with the odds of the match favoring Mir... and Lesnar absolutely destroyed him. It wasn't even a close match.

I love all the people who feel he's undeserving because he spent sometime as a wrestler in the WWE. These people typically forget he was a great amateur wrestler.

There's no one right now that can stand up to Lesnar right now.

Fedor vs. Lesnar

Make it happen UFC.

[Fallen]

How about the best heavyweight in the world?

If UFC could have realistically signed Fedor, they would have by now. Granted, I would love for them to do so, but UFC is some cutthroat motherfuckers, and they require a LOT out of their fighters. I'm told one of the reasons why they couldn't get him is Fedor likes to fight in Sambo tournies back home, and UFC doesn't normally allow their fighters to participate in outside organizations.

That, and I bet he wants a SHIT ton of money.

That guy that fought Kongo was supposed to be some hot shit heavy weight, but he couldn't sub Check(sp) fucking Kongo..so I wasn't all that impressed. Hell, if Kongo had a decent head on his shoulders he could have won that damn fight. Could Kongo beat Lesnar? No. Not in a million years. He would have a puncher's chance, and that doesn't mean much IMO against a guy like Lesnar.

All of THAT being said, I had Mir to win. I thought skill would win out over strength. I was wrong.

[StrayRogue]

Exactly SP. Though Fedor is on the back end of his career.

I reckon the likes of Arlovski, Gonzaga, Josh Barnett, maybe even Cro Cop could stand up to him as well.

[Geshron]

GSP fights are so freakin boring. I wish that fight had been first, what a snooze fest. I love Lesnar, I don't care that he's a boor, he cracks me up. It's like rooting for Ivan Drago if he were raised in a trailer park.


I lost money betting tonight but betting UFC is so easy as long as you just keep betting big dogs, you always come out on top eventually.

You should watch Monday Night Raw then.

If you think GSP is boring then you clearly do not know what you are watching. The sheer amount of takedowns he threw was astonishing and his ability to pass the guard of BJ Penn REPEATEDLY, UNINHIBITED as well as toss around one of MMA's best strikers (who man-handled Matt Hughes) is no less than awe inspiring. A technical master may not be pleasing to the Coors Light crowd waiting to see someone get smashed in the head (Hendo took care of that anyway). They threw their best striker in the weight class and look at him. Look, at, him. I love Alves' style but it's not even applicable to a true world-class athlete. He was the 2008 Canadian athlete of the year, says a ton for just the amount of NHL guys that country produces aside from every other sport.

In regards to Lesnar his NCAA wrestling match is utterly phenomenal as is his physical talent and prowess. He did sound like a moron insulting Bud Light. I was amused by the rest of what came out of his mouth. Just a stupid comment about not making money to most people who can't identify with such a level of success isn't smart. Watch his early work on YouTube and ignore his status as a former actor/wrestler if you haven't yet.

[StrayRogue]

The heavyweight division in UFC has been stale for a while, imo, most likely because people who know anything about MMA know that the top HW fighter isn't there.

From what I've read Fedor wants to compete in his year Sambo tournes, and would like a lot of his stable signed to UFC contracts. Plus loads of money. It could happen, if the UFC were willing to stoop. Hell, they gave Cro Cop two chances and he fucked them both times. I'm sure with some negotiation they could land Fedor.

[Soulpieced]

All has-beens Stray. Cro Cop would be totally overpowered. Gonzaga is still young, but he'd have to put on about 30 pounds of muscle, Arlovski is dunzo.

Barnett would put up the best shot, and Tim Silvia would also probably get annihilated.

[Fallen]

Exactly SP. Though Fedor is on the back end of his career.

I reckon the likes of Arlovski, Gonzaga, Josh Barnett, maybe even Cro Cop could stand up to him as well.

Arlovski got KO'd his last two fights, didn't he? I haven't seen much out of Gonzaga lately, and I think Barnett fights in Strike Force (Or am I nuts?). I need to start reading Sherdog so I can be a bit more sure of my facts. Cro Cop was doing well in Dream, but his last fight wasn't insanely impressive. Didn't he land an accidental cheap blow, then finish the guy or something?

[Fallen]

You should watch Monday Night Raw then.

If you think GSP is boring then you clearly do not know what you are watching. The sheer amount of takedowns he threw was astonishing and his ability to pass the guard of BJ Penn REPEATEDLY, UNINHIBITED as well as toss around one of MMA's best strikers (who man-handled Matt Hughes) is no less than awe inspiring. A technical master may not be pleasing to the Coors Light crowd waiting to see someone get smashed in the head (Hendo took care of that anyway). They threw their best striker in the weight class and look at him. Look, at, him. I love Alves' style but it's not even applicable to a true world-class athlete. He was the 2008 Canadian athlete of the year, says a ton for just the amount of NHL guys that country produces aside from every other sport.

In regards to Lesnar his NCAA wrestling match is utterly phenomenal as is his physical talent and prowess. He did sound like a moron insulting Bud Light. I was amused by the rest of what came out of his mouth. Just a stupid comment about not making money to most people who can't identify with such a level of success isn't smart. Watch his early work on YouTube and ignore his status as a former actor/wrestler if you haven't yet.

Did Alves sprawl ONCE in that entire fight?

[StrayRogue]

You should watch Monday Night Raw then.

If you think GSP is boring then you clearly do not know what you are watching. The sheer amount of takedowns he threw was astonishing and his ability to pass the guard of BJ Penn REPEATEDLY, UNINHIBITED as well as toss around one of MMA's best strikers (who man-handled Matt Hughes) is no less than awe inspiring. A technical master may not be pleasing to the Coors Light crowd waiting to see someone get smashed in the head (Hendo took care of that anyway). They threw their best striker in the weight class and look at him. Look, at, him. I love Alves' style but it's not even applicable to a true world-class athlete. He was the 2008 Canadian athlete of the year, says a ton for just the amount of NHL guys that country produces aside from every other sport.


GSP is just incredible. Who is left for him to annihilate? I really hope he doesn't move up a class, as I do see him being outsized. His dominance of Matt Hughes, who to be fair completely owned the welterweight division for a long time, just proves that he's the next step in the evolution of UFC fighters.

[Fallen]

The heavyweight division in UFC has been stale for a while, imo, most likely because people who know anything about MMA know that the top HW fighter isn't there.

From what I've read Fedor wants to compete in his year Sambo tournes, and would like a lot of his stable signed to UFC contracts. Plus loads of money. It could happen, if the UFC were willing to stoop. Hell, they gave Cro Cop two chances and he fucked them both times. I'm sure with some negotiation they could land Fedor.

There may be some bad blood between him and the UFC. You know that they must have made a legit attempt to get him when Couture was the champ. That is why he was trying so hard to get out of his contract. UFC told him they would sign Fedor, and they never did.

[StrayRogue]

Arlovski got KO'd his last two fights, didn't he? I haven't seen much out of Gonzaga lately, and I think Barnett fights in Strike Force (Or am I nuts?). I need to start reading Sherdog so I can be a bit more sure of my facts. Cro Cop was doing well in Dream, but his last fight wasn't insanely impressive. Didn't he land an accidental cheap blow, then finish the guy or something?

Barnett is facing Fedor in 2 weeks, IIRC. Will be interesting. Arlovski is a force, he's just never been at the top because there's simply been stronger folk around to knock the shit out of him (read Fedor).

Gonzaga I think isn't really around since he can't speak a word of English last time I checked, and isn't a huge draw. Cro Cop will never fight in the UFC again, and his last fight for them (UFC 99) he did completely rule the cage. He is old though, and has always been prone to gassing.

Personally I think if someone could take Lesnar past the 3rd round, you'd begin to see him slow down and get weak. His sheer size in the longer fights will not do him any favours.

[Geshron]

Gonzaga was knocked out by Shane Carwin, and BAD if you saw that fight. Gabe is one of my favorite fighters and definitely a top BJJ practitioner but he caught one hard. So he'd better hope to win on his next fight. Carwin is one to watch, he is a rock-solid and VERY sizeable striking monster.

Regardless of your opinions on the fights or fighters, the fact that any of you who have posted follows MMA and plays Gemstone as well makes you a friend no matter what side of the fence you are on IMO.

-I don't think Alves could even focus his weight distribution quick enough to have a chance to sprawl. What I was hoping for was a good knee on GSP's shots. They don't call him "Rush" for shit's and giggles though, haha.

[StrayRogue]

Gonzaga's knockout of Cro Cop was awesome. I think getting beat by Couture really hurt his chances of scaling the heights.

http://clips.rofl.to/clip/gonzaga-vs-cro-cop-head-kick-ko

[Fallen]

Regardless of your opinions on the fights or fighters, the fact that any of you who have posted follows MMA and plays Gemstone as well makes you a friend no matter what side of the fence you are on IMO.

There are a few of us. I used to bet silvers with some folks on UFC fights. No huge amounts, just a mill or so on a match to keep it interesting.

[Soulpieced]

Did anyone else think that Henderson's right hand on Bisping was the sickest KO ever? Without a doubt the nastiest I've seen.

[StrayRogue]

Love this fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGNkbOeca-k&feature=related

Big Nog was a total legend at this point and Fedor was the total underdog. The battering at 7:53 onwards is insane.

In other news UFC needs to hire Bas Rutten.

[StrayRogue]

Did anyone else think that Henderson's right hand on Bisping was the sickest KO ever? Without a doubt the nastiest I've seen.

The Island cringed in unison when this happened :(

[Fallen]

Did anyone else think that Henderson's right hand on Bisping was the sickest KO ever? Without a doubt the nastiest I've seen.

I've seen some nasty ones, but yah, that was sick. After all the shit talking Bisping was doing I was glad to see it. Sometimes that strategy..doesn't pay off. Hendo even admitted he knew Bisping was out after the first blow, he just wanted to, "shut him up."

[Parkbandit]

Exactly SP. Though Fedor is on the back end of his career.

I reckon the likes of Arlovski, Gonzaga, Josh Barnett, maybe even Cro Cop could stand up to him as well.

I hope that isn't your best list of heavyweights, because none of them would stand much of a chance against Lesnar. Lesnar has fought in 6 total fights and he's looked better everytime he's fought.

The only thing that will stop Lesnar will be his age... he has about 3-4 years left of complete dominance.

[Parkbandit]

Did anyone else think that Henderson's right hand on Bisping was the sickest KO ever? Without a doubt the nastiest I've seen.

He missed on that shot about 10 times.. not sure why Bisping kept moving to Henderson's right. It was inevitable to connect.

Another big mouth that couldn't back it up in the ring. Maybe he and Mir sharing a room at the hospital.

[Baelog]

I have to agree with PB about Mir. He needed to have his ass handed to him after all the shit he talked. I plan on eventually watching the fight itself on my friends DVR, just to see his face get smashed in by that big fucking gorilla (as Joe Rogan called him)

[Drew]

Minotauro beat half the guys on your list StrayRogue and got beat pretty badly by Mir. I definitely would love to see Fedor fight Lesnar, that's a good fight. But Cro Cop? Arlovski? Those guys aren't anywhere close to Lesnar's level.

[NocturnalRob]

And past their prime, so what would it prove?

[kookiegod]

Just some numbers I saw last night after I got home from watching the fights..

The gate

According to MMAJunkie.com, the UFC is reporting 11,000 paid for a gate of approximately $5.1 million dollars. The Nevada State Athletic Commission will confirm the numbers later this week, but UFC 100 could be the second biggest gate in UFC history. The average ticket price for the event, off of the figures provided, was $464. UFC also had closed circuit in Las Vegas, at the beach at the Mandalay Bay.

Bonus Money

- In honor of UFC 100, the bonuses for the event were raised to $100,000. The bonuses for UFC 97 in April were $70,000. Here are the bonuses that were awarded after the event:

* Fight Of The Night: Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Alan Belcher ($100,000 each)
* KO Of The Night: Dan Henderson ($100,000)
* Submission Of The Night: Tom Lawlor ($100,000)

Guaranteed Money

Brock Lesnar has already been guaranteed $400,000 for his performance at UFC 100 tonight, regardless of whether he wins or not. Frank Mir, Lesnar's opponent, has been guaranteed $45,000, with a win increasing that to $90,000.

Georges St. Pierre has been guaranteed $200,000, with a win increasing that to $400,000. His opponent, Thiago Alves, has been guaranteed $60,000, with a win doubling that to $120,000.

Michael Bisping has been guaranteed $150,000, with a $100,000 bonus if he wins. Henderson has been guaranteed $100,000, with a $150,000 bonus if he wins.

[kookiegod]

And Alan Belcher got f'n robbed!

Everyone where I was had the fight 3 rounds to 0, and how one of the judges had "Sexyama" as a 10-8 is off the charts.

~Paul

[Drew]

And Alan Belcher got f'n robbed!

Everyone where I was had the fight 3 rounds to 0, and how one of the judges say "Sexyama" as a 10-8 is off the charts.

~Paul

I thought Akiyama won 2 of 3.

[Drew]

Just some numbers I saw last night after I got home from watching the fights..

The gate

According to MMAJunkie.com, the UFC is reporting 11,000 paid for a gate of approximately $5.1 million dollars. The Nevada State Athletic Commission will confirm the numbers later this week, but UFC 100 could be the second biggest gate in UFC history. The average ticket price for the event, off of the figures provided, was $464. UFC also had closed circuit in Las Vegas, at the beach at the Mandalay Bay.

Bonus Money

- In honor of UFC 100, the bonuses for the event were raised to $100,000. The bonuses for UFC 97 in April were $70,000. Here are the bonuses that were awarded after the event:

* Fight Of The Night: Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Alan Belcher ($100,000 each)
* KO Of The Night: Dan Henderson ($100,000)
* Submission Of The Night: Tom Lawlor ($100,000)

Guaranteed Money

Brock Lesnar has already been guaranteed $400,000 for his performance at UFC 100 tonight, regardless of whether he wins or not. Frank Mir, Lesnar's opponent, has been guaranteed $45,000, with a win increasing that to $90,000.

Georges St. Pierre has been guaranteed $200,000, with a win increasing that to $400,000. His opponent, Thiago Alves, has been guaranteed $60,000, with a win doubling that to $120,000.

Michael Bisping has been guaranteed $150,000, with a $100,000 bonus if he wins. Henderson has been guaranteed $100,000, with a $150,000 bonus if he wins.


Good info, but my goodness it just shows why boxing still has the top talent. UFC is probably gonna pull 30-40 million from this event but their purses are ridiculously tiny even for the top billed talent. A boxing fight with 1.2 million PPV buys would have 3 to 5 million dollar purses for each of the top fighters and several hundred thousand + undercards.

[kookiegod]

That doesn't include PPV bonuses or anything else, thats just the downside guarantey. Mir and Lesnar probably got both in the low 7 figures.

~Paul

[Baelog]

Minotauro beat half the guys on your list StrayRogue and got beat pretty badly by Mir.

Yeah, you trying fighting MMA with a torn ACL and a Staph infection. BJJ (Which Nog is a master of) takes leg work, which is why Nog never went for a takedown or even tried to go to the ground, not to mention that Staph infection wasn't helping anything. I think he took the fight just for the money.

Nog without the torn ACL and Staph infection taps out Mir in the 1st or 2nd round, hands down.

[SHAFT]

I need to see GSP vs. Silva. I don't care who needs to drop/gain weight. That's what I want to see. And maybe White will stop with his silly contracts while Fedor can still whoop ass.

Dana White said in a press conference after the event he's going after Fedor. They have to. Thinking about a Lesnar VS Fedor match gives me goosebumps.

GSP needs to fight Silva. Who else is there?

[SHAFT]

Barnett is facing Fedor in 2 weeks, IIRC. Will be interesting. Arlovski is a force, he's just never been at the top because there's simply been stronger folk around to knock the shit out of him (read Fedor).

Gonzaga I think isn't really around since he can't speak a word of English last time I checked, and isn't a huge draw. Cro Cop will never fight in the UFC again, and his last fight for them (UFC 99) he did completely rule the cage. He is old though, and has always been prone to gassing.

Personally I think if someone could take Lesnar past the 3rd round, you'd begin to see him slow down and get weak. His sheer size in the longer fights will not do him any favours.

Cro Cop just signed. Read it on Sherdog

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

Ok, so Stray knows jack shit about MMA apparently, given his list of heavyweight "contenders".

-Arlovski is garbage, if his last few fights are any indication. He would be lucky to win a ROUND against any legitimate fighter at this point, and can only take out no-namers and IFL rejects.

-Gonazaga is back to fighting no-name "talent" on the undercard, after Carwin obliterated him.

-Barnett was, and always will be a can. He simply doesn't have the skill required in today's fight game.

-Cro Cop is done. Considering the guys who ran him out of the UFC (Kongo and Gonzaga), all indications are that he will never show his face in an octagon again. <Given the news of his return, I will simply update this by suggesting he really, really shouldn't have come back>

Either way, I'd say there are only two worthwhile heavyweights (Nogueira, Fedor) that can even stand up to Lesnar right now, and neither of them will be in the same arena as Lesnar for at least a year and a half or so.

The next Ultimate Fighter is heavyweight-exclusive. The UFC (and the MMA game in general) has been lacking solid heavyweight talent for years now, and there is no forseeable 'quick fix'. The show could, however, toss out a few fresh faces.

The only worthwhile names on the Ultimate Fighter so far are Marcus Jones, and Justin Wren, neither of whom appear to have a snowball's chance in hell of actually competing against top flight heavyweights any time soon.

The only realistic, established name that the UFC can put in there with Lesnar would be Cain Velasquez (if he beats Carwin), and even he would just get pimpslapped around while Lesnar waits for someone worth fighting. I almost want to see Werdum come back for a short stint, to give Lesnar's actual competition (whoever they bring in/develop) two fights until they have to face the guy. Carwin is an option, should he beat Cain (I sincerely doubt that will happen), though he really has no drawing power at all.

The UFC brought Gracie back to fight Hughes; any semi-active heavyweights that could come back for Lesnar? No, Tank Abbott does not count.

Damn, I remember thinking Tim Sylvia would be a tough opponent for Lesnar. Time flies.

[StrayRogue]

Minotauro beat half the guys on your list StrayRogue and got beat pretty badly by Mir. I definitely would love to see Fedor fight Lesnar, that's a good fight. But Cro Cop? Arlovski? Those guys aren't anywhere close to Lesnar's level.

Big Nog was way past his prime mate. Most the decent, legendary heavyweights are.

[StrayRogue]

-Cro Cop is done. Considering the guys who ran him out of the UFC (Kongo and Gonzaga), all indications are that he will never show his face in an octagon again. <Given the news of his return, I will simply update this by suggesting he really, really shouldn't have come back>



You realize Cro Cop fought in last (barring 100) UFC event, and won a first round stoppage?

[Androidpk]

Speaking of Fedor, I can't wait for his fight on august 1st against Barnett.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

You realize Cro Cop fought in last (barring 100) UFC event, and won a first round stoppage?

He beat a guy with a 6-4 record via eyepoke. I'm sure that's something you want to offer up when suggesting he's competitive.

[StrayRogue]

No, I'm offering it up when you're saying e's been "ran out of the UFC" and will "never show his face again". The fact that he's been fighting kind of runs contrary to this ill-informed point.

Plus anyone who can go the full distance with Fedor is worthy of praise.

[NocturnalRob]

if you actually watched the fight, Filipovic was dominating the entire 3 minutes up until the eyepoke. Wouldn't have mattered. Al-turk got tossed around like a rag doll. His strikes were weak and ineffective, and his attempts at a takedown were sad. In fact, I see al-Turk land one actual punch in this fight. so...PBJ, what the fuck are you talking about?

http://dnevnik.hr/bin/tv/?media_id=60229926

edit: That all being said, Cro Cop will never fight in the UFC ever again, mostly for contractual reasons. I believe he's fighting with Dream now in Japan.

[Androidpk]

edit: That all being said, Cro Cop will never fight in the UFC ever again, mostly for contractual reasons. I believe he's fighting with Dream now in Japan.

Was, he resigned with UFC recently.

[Baelog]

The only realistic, established name that the UFC can put in there with Lesnar would be Cain Velasquez (if he beats Carwin), and even he would just get pimpslapped around while Lesnar waits for someone worth fighting

Hell, if Lesnar were to hit Velasquez with the punch that he landed on Herring, Velasquez's head would explode. In the Kongo vs Velasquez fight, it was obvious that Velasquez had such a glass jaw. Every clean hit that Kongo landed, Velasquez was rocked and went for the takedown, which Kongo couldn't defend against, and even when Velasquez had Kongo's back...no Rear Naked Choke, ever? That match was horrible and sloppy...saying either of those could be a contender against Lesnar is just ludicrous.

[SHAFT]

I think Kongo is the best fight for Lesnar at the moment, given the UFC's roster of heavyweights. Couture and Minotauro are wayyyyy past their prime. Put Nogs about 5-6 years ago in there it'd be good. Mir completely destroyed Nogs.

Hell, another Mir VS Lesnar fight would be ok with me.

What's Jeff Monson up to these days?

[Baelog]

Said it before, say it again.

Nog was suffering from a torn ACL and a Staph infection.

Kongo couldn't defend Vaslequez's takedowns, what makes you think he could possibly stop that 300lb gorilla?

[Fallen]

Said it before, say it again.

Nog was suffering from a torn ACL and a Staph infection.

Kongo couldn't defend Vaslequez's takedowns, what makes you think he could possibly stop that 300lb gorilla?

That fight was so ugly it hurt to watch. Kongo nearly knocking him out 3 times, then fucking CLINCHING. Valesquez having Kongo in every position imaginable and not being able to some close to subbing him.

Both looked like scrubs.

[SHAFT]

Cro Cop is fighting at UFC 103

I don't think Kongo can beat Lesnar, I'd just like to see those 2 fight.

I read that Kongo was gonna get a title shot at whoever won between Mir and Lesnar, but he lost to Velasquez. So seeing Lesnar and Kongo wasn't that far off.

Dan Severn is still fighting. That'd be interesting.

[Fallen]

But honestly, folks. We all know what is going to happen. Kimbo Slice is going to dominate the Ultimate Fighter, get his title shot, and assume his rightful place of Heavyweight Champion of the UFC. Lets not kid ourselves here.

[Stunseed]

Nah. They found it was too easy to do with Lesnar.

What is going to happen is that until the UFC finds some talent in the heavyweight division, you won't see a whole lot of action. None of the current heavyweights besides Shane Carwin have a legit game to bring. Getting Fedor would cost the most, but I'd love to see them go after Barnett and continue the delve into development into that division.

[kookiegod]

Bobby Lashley is coming along nice @ 4-0. Definitely needs to move to a bigger pond and bigger fish, but he's one big dude as well.

Be a payday match for UFC as all the WWE casual UFC fans pay to watch a dreammatch (for them).

For now, Lesnar is playing the heel, which will put asses in the seats and ppv buys even if he fights scrubs until they find someone who can give him a test. People will pay to see the chance he gets beaten. Look at Mike Tyson in Japan when a no-name finally dethroned him.

~Paul

[NocturnalRob]

Cro Cop is fighting at UFC 103
i stand corrected.


But honestly, folks. We all know what is going to happen. Kimbo Slice is going to dominate the Ultimate Fighter, get his title shot, and assume his rightful place of Heavyweight Champion of the UFC. Lets not kid ourselves here.
even though we all know this will never happen...i kind of wish it would.

[Bhuryn]

They need a super heavy weight class =)

[Fallen]

even though we all know this will never happen...i kind of wish it would.

I'm probably the only Kimbo Slice fan you will meet that actually follows MMA. I'm not saying he is a UFC caliber fighter, but I like the guy. I hope he does well.

[SHAFT]

I'm probably the only Kimbo Slice fan you will meet that actually follows MMA. I'm not saying he is a UFC caliber fighter, but I like the guy. I hope he does well.

I always wanted to see a Kimbo VS Butterbean match. Butterbean has a killer overhand right.

[Drew]

I'm probably the only Kimbo Slice fan you will meet that actually follows MMA. I'm not saying he is a UFC caliber fighter, but I like the guy. I hope he does well.

I'm a Kimbo fan as well but probably more so because of geography. Everyone in South Florida loves Kimbo. He filled 20k seats 3 times down here (before Elite XC went under) fighting has-beens and chumps. It was funny, Elite XC went bankrupt within 2 weeks of him losing.

[Geshron]

Did anyone else think that Henderson's right hand on Bisping was the sickest KO ever? Without a doubt the nastiest I've seen.

Absolutely dude went LIFELESS instantly. Absolutely deserved KO of the night, Hendo Is Legend.

[Drew]

Absolutely dude went LIFELESS instantly. Absolutely deserved KO of the night, Hendo Is Legend.

Fedor knocking out Arlovski in mid-air was pretty sick too.

[Geshron]

Fedor knocking out Arlovski in mid-air was pretty sick too.

Fedor knocking anyone out is sick, I'm glad I read the quote about his certain move to the UFC. I hope he fucking blasts Lesnar back to the WWE.

[Geshron]

I'm probably the only Kimbo Slice fan you will meet that actually follows MMA. I'm not saying he is a UFC caliber fighter, but I like the guy. I hope he does well.

Another 2 years of consistently training mixed martial arts and I think he could be a contender again.

[Baelog]

Question. Have any of you actually seen the so-called "street fight" between Kimbo and Gannon?

It doesn't speak anything for Kimbo, that's for damn sure.

[NocturnalRob]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6unyx_kimbo-slice-vs-sean-gannon-fight-vi

i think it speaks pretty highly of Kimbo actually. this is before he had any MMA training whatsoever, and he still goes a good 5-6 minutes straight in a bareknuckle match with a fucking gorilla. He basically had no technical training at that point.

Look, I'm not saying he's the best fighter ever. I don't even consider him to be a very good fighter. But at least he's entertaining. And he also fucked Gannon's face up baaaaaad.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/Bigshow/gannon.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Fedor knocking anyone out is sick, I'm glad I read the quote about his certain move to the UFC. I hope he fucking blasts Lesnar back to the WWE.

I'll put some money on Lesnar if they ever make that match.

[Drew]

Question. Have any of you actually seen the so-called "street fight" between Kimbo and Gannon?

It doesn't speak anything for Kimbo, that's for damn sure.

I used to box and I'm not half bad at it, or at least I'm adequate. Still if you put me in ring with someone who had adequate MMA skills I would get destroyed. I thought that fight looked good for Kimbo because he had absolutely no MMA style training.

[NocturnalRob]

I'll put some money on Lesnar if they ever make that match.
i'm happy to make that bet with you.

[Latrinsorm]

Lesnar's not going back to the WWE. He left on the absolute top of the heap, there's no reason whatsoever for him to go back. He may decide to leave MMA and try out for some other random sport, who knows, but no more pro wrestling for sure.

I've wanted Mir to lose badly since he was a coach on TUF. An unfathomable whiner.

[Geshron]

Lesnar's not going back to the WWE. He left on the absolute top of the heap, there's no reason whatsoever for him to go back. He may decide to leave MMA and try out for some other random sport, who knows, but no more pro wrestling for sure.

I've wanted Mir to lose badly since he was a coach on TUF. An unfathomable whiner.

Figure of speech certainly, no way he would de-legitimize himself in such a manner.

PB I'll take you up on that 1m min.

[Parkbandit]

PB I'll take you up on that 1m min.

You couldn't cover that bet... and I don't bet fantasy pretend money.

I watched the Henderson/Bisping fight a couple more times last night.. Henderson threw at least 20 right haymakers before landing that one. And the 2nd hit he gave Bisping was one of the sickest hits I've ever seen. I didn't realize he was completely off the ground and in the air when he landed his fist/forearm... holy shit, that was vicious.

[Fallen]

You couldn't cover that bet... and I don't bet fantasy pretend money.

I watched the Henderson/Bisping fight a couple more times last night.. Henderson threw at least 20 right haymakers before landing that one. And the 2nd hit he gave Bisping was one of the sickest hits I've ever seen. I didn't realize he was completely off the ground and in the air when he landed his fist/forearm... holy shit, that was vicious.

He had absolutely no respect for Bisping's standup. If it is one thing Bisping has shown in his fights, it is that he doesn't have knock-out power in his hands.

[NocturnalRob]

Oh, and if anyone hasn't seen the fights, check out this link:

http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/

They have all the ones worth watching.

edit: Also, the flying knee that Mir threw in the 2nd round gave me a semi.

[StrayRogue]

Bisping was afraid. You could see it. He made a stupid mistake, and all his offense was totally negated. It's definately a step back for him. Hendo really is a monster though.

[NocturnalRob]

He made a stupid mistake numerous times. Circling into Hendo's KNOWN strength against the repeated advice of your corner...I'm glad he got ktfo.

[Parkbandit]

Bisping was afraid. You could see it. He made a stupid mistake, and all his offense was totally negated. It's definately a step back for him. Hendo really is a monster though.


He didn't lose because of one stupid mistake. He was being hunted by Henderson the entire match to that point.. and all he was doing is running like he was scared shitless. Henderson was pushing the fight from the opening.

[StrayRogue]

The single mistake he made, the mistake everyone has called him on was that he was constantly circling into his power. It was one stupid mistake.

[Parkbandit]

Do you believe the outcome would have been different had he been circling to the left?

[StrayRogue]

Yup.

[AnticorRifling]

He should have been training to Beyonce so he'd keep singing to the left to the left the entire fight.

[Parkbandit]

What would the outcome have been had he circled to Henderson's left?

[StrayRogue]

I believe it would have gone the distance.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

Do you believe the outcome would have been different had he been circling to the left?

Yes, five times over. Had Bisping been circling away from his power, he would've been able to pull out an uppercut from hell on the first overhand right that Hendo threw.

Bisping looked damned weak there, but he DOES have knockout power in his right hand.

[Parkbandit]

You guys saw a completely different fight than I did obviously. I saw a very nervous Bisping who was running away from a very aggressive Henderson. The outcome of the fight wasn't dependant upon Bisping having a very foolish habit that was easily taken advantage of by Henderson.

[StrayRogue]

I don't think he would of won, unless he'd gotten lucky. However I don't think he would have ended the fight lying flat on his back either if he'd had the presence of mind to move away from Hendo's one trick pony tactic.

If you'd read four(?) posts ago, this would not even be needed to be said. But of course you like to pick at things like a whiney little fuck.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

You guys saw a completely different fight than I did obviously. I saw a very nervous Bisping who was running away from a very aggressive Henderson. The outcome of the fight wasn't dependant upon Bisping having a very foolish habit that was easily taken advantage of by Henderson.

Henderson doesn't have a left hook solid enough to wreck someone circling to their right. Bisping has a wicked snapping uppercut that would've came out to play the second Hendo ducked his chin for his overhand right, had he been able to plant his right foot back (which could've only happened if he was circling to the right).

I'm not saying Bisping looked anything but disappointing and generally fearful, but he could've ended things in a single swing had his mind been in order.

[StrayRogue]

I'm not saying Bisping looked anything but disappointing and generally fearful, but he could've ended things in a single swing had his mind been in order.

Agreed.

He was bumped all the way into the ring, then when Hendo entered...he visibly deflated.

He was tentative at best.

[Baelog]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6unyx_kimbo-slice-vs-sean-gannon-fight-vi

i think it speaks pretty highly of Kimbo actually. this is before he had any MMA training whatsoever, and he still goes a good 5-6 minutes straight in a bareknuckle match with a fucking gorilla. He basically had no technical training at that point.

Look, I'm not saying he's the best fighter ever. I don't even consider him to be a very good fighter. But at least he's entertaining. And he also fucked Gannon's face up baaaaaad.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/Bigshow/gannon.jpg


Hmm, let me think...Kimbo was the first to go for a takedown, and gets a guillotine slapped on by Gannon...Kimbo's crew runs in and breaks it up.

Kimbo nearly throws Gannon over the barricade, putting hands in his face/neck area, no break up

Kimbo striking Gannon while Gannon is down, no break up

Middle of the fight, Gannon starts throwing knees into Kimbo, Kimbo's crew break it up again.

Kimbo gets how many 30-counts before Gannon is finally declared the winner?

Yeah, Kimbo is totally legit and a good fighter. That fight would have been over and done the minute Gannon put a guillotine on Kimbo if his "boys" weren't there to stop it.

Gannon is no "gorilla" by any means, if you look at them, they're nearly atched in size, and Kimbo is pretty big himself

Gannon's last weigh - 6'3, 265lbs
Kimbo's last weigh - 6'2, 235lbs

Neither of them are small men, and from the looks of it, 30lbs on Gannon is fat.

After the Kimbo/Petruzelli fight...

Interviewed on the popular radio show The Monsters In The Morning two days after the fight, Seth Petruzelli said that when they offered him a spot in the main event, EliteXC promoters added monetary incentives to dissuade him from using certain fighting techniques against Slice, in an attempt to protect their relatively unproven Internet star.

“ The promoters kinda hinted to me and they gave me the money to stand and throw with him, they didn't want me to take him down. Let's just put it that way. It was worth my while to try and stand up punch him.[29] ”

This added to the controversy surrounding the representation of Slice as a top flight martial artist by CBS and EliteXC.[30] The Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation started a preliminary investigation on the events surrounding the fight and its outcome.[31]

However, Petruzelli clarified his position hours later, claiming in a follow-up interview with MMA website FiveOuncesofPain.com that his previous comments on The Monsters had been misinterpreted.

“ What was meant to be said was that I wanted to keep the fight standing for myself because I knew that was what the crowd, the promoters, and everyone wanted to see because that’s more exciting than just taking someone to the ground. That was my thing only. I wanted to keep it exciting so I decided to keep it standing. It had nothing to do with anybody else. That was all me.[32]

^ "Monsters in the Morning interview with Seth Petruzelli". WTKS-FM. October 6, 2008. http://monsters.fm/pages/monsters_media.html?feed=246187&article=4355604.
^ Wetzel, Dan (October 5, 2008). "Final curtain for the Kimbo show". Yahoo! Sports. http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AnOrWdaHQdqzatWq9qQNZpM9Eo14?slug=dw-kimbo100508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns.
^ Pugmire, Lance (October 9, 2008). "Slice-Petruzelli fight under investigation". Los Angeles Times. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2008/10/slice-petruzell.html.
^ Caplan, Seth (October 6, 2008). "Petruzelli disputes reports he received a bribe to keep Slice fight a standup affair". FiveOunceOfPain.com. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/06/petruzelli-disputes-reports-he-insinuated-he-received-a-bonus-for-keeping-slice-fight-a-standup-affair/.


Yes, I hate Kimbo and his big-mouthed fake-ass. If Kimbo was to go against any real Heavyweight in the UFC, he'd get destroyed. Hell, I think a Light-Heavy could beat him easy.

[StrayRogue]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ZxpbtcC8A

lulz.

[Bhuryn]

Henderson doesn't have a left hook solid enough to wreck someone circling to their right. Bisping has a wicked snapping uppercut that would've came out to play the second Hendo ducked his chin for his overhand right, had he been able to plant his right foot back (which could've only happened if he was circling to the right).

I'm not saying Bisping looked anything but disappointing and generally fearful, but he could've ended things in a single swing had his mind been in order.

Ask Wanderlei Silva about Henderson's Left hook sometime.

[NocturnalRob]

blah blah blah, hate on kimbo, blah

1) as to the gannon/kimbo fight--rules were set that specifically forbade any grappling or holds. it was not a "mixed martial arts" fight. so gannon applying a guillotine was against the rules. gannon throwing knees was against the rules.
2) at no point does kimbo hit gannon when he's down
3) kimbo gets knocked down once...up in 10 seconds. gets knocked down a second time (and depending on when you start counting...i started when gannon actually gets off his body and the crowd backs up), he stands up around 24 seconds, gets knocked down immediately again by gannon, and then gets up again at 26 seconds. it's a different count.
4) thanks for quoting me your wikipedia weights that don't pertain at all to a fight that occurred 4-5 years ago. gannon is much bigger than kimbo in this fight.

all the kimbo nut-hugging aside, i think he's way too old and way too technically limited to succeed in any way in the UFC. but I guess we'll find out when the new TUF episodes start airing.

[NocturnalRob]

Ask Wanderlei Silva about Henderson's Left hook sometime.
good luck understanding his answer

[Parkbandit]

I don't think he would of won, unless he'd gotten lucky. However I don't think he would have ended the fight lying flat on his back either if he'd had the presence of mind to move away from Hendo's one trick pony tactic.

If you'd read four(?) posts ago, this would not even be needed to be said. But of course you like to pick at things like a whiney little fuck.

So far, the only thing I've gotten out of this thread is you know shit about much of anything... let alone UFC.

But that's a recurring theme in most threads that don't have anything to do with Dungeons and Dragons.. doesn't it.

[StrayRogue]

Sure, because you're the clever guy here. "OMG JUMP ON BANDWAGON PLEASE".

At least I know that 9000 is not 95% of 18000.

[NocturnalRob]

okay, folks. all i know is that the very thought of lesnar/fedor gives me a hard pee-pee

[Parkbandit]

Sure, because you're the clever guy here. "OMG JUMP ON BANDWAGON PLEASE".

It's pretty sad that someone who just jumped on the bandwagon knows far more than you do about the sport. Wait.. give us that list of heavy weight contenders to Lesnar again?




At least I know that 9000 is not 95% of 18000.

Still awaiting for you to produce that quote.. not something you've embellished to make a signature.

[Parkbandit]

okay, folks. all i know is that the very thought of lesnar/fedor gives me a hard pee-pee

Fedor wouldn't last 2 rounds with Lesnar.

[NocturnalRob]

that's the goofiest fucking thing i've ever heard.

1) he wouldn't have to. fedor would fucking maul lesnar
2) there is no #2. i am done.

[Fallen]

Fedor wouldn't last 2 rounds with Lesnar.

Who was that huge guy that he fought not too long ago? Some monster of an asian guy. I think he subbed him with an armbar. It looked like Spiderman fighting the hulk. I didn't see the fight, but I imagine that it might go down the same way. Fedor has fought guys bigger than him before.

Found it:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/bottlerocketproductions/FedorArmbar.jpg

[Stanley Burrell]

I wish they'd allow punches in the women's TUFF so I could see some boobs get smacked around.

That's about all I have to contribute, I think.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

Being a Lesnar fan and all, I visibly flinched when a buddy informed me of the Fedor news.

For everyone who is ignorant enough to assume Lesnar would just pound away on the guy like he has with everyone else, I'll be happy to make bets with you in the coming days, weeks, or months leading up to the fight (once it's signed, anyway).

Fedor would maul the freaking hell out of Lesnar at the moment, and I'd much rather see Brock in there with Fedor after one or two more fights. Nobody packs the combination of sheer brutality and ridiculous all-around talent that Fedor does, and Brock needs to continue to improve to even stand a chance.

One point of confusion: Doesn't all of this speculation come down to when his Affliction contract expires, anyway? I'm assuming it will last well beyond the J.B. fight, so what's all the shouting about?

When something official is signed, I'll start worrying. Until then, the plan appears to be Lesnar vs. chump, and Lesnar vs. chump, then Lesnar vs. someone worthwhile.


Ask Wanderlei Silva about Henderson's Left hook sometime.

Considering the right straight that came before it, I doubt the left hook mattered at that point.

[SHAFT]

Its pretty simple regarding Fedor and Lesnar. Fedor has a fight on Aug 1st with Barnett and then he's a free agent. You bet you're sweet ass UFC will go after Fedor and they'll get him.

Word on the streets is Fedor wants some of fighters to be signed by UFC as well. If this doesn't happen I lose all respect for Fedor. If he doesn't sign I have to put the blame on him and his camp. It makes zero sense for UFC to not make him the richest contract in MMA history and get this deal done.

Lesnar will fight the winner of Carwin VS Velasquez and then hopefully Fedor. Once Fedor gets in there he'll get the title shot.

[Drew]

Not only that but there's a lot of speculation that Affliction is about to go under.

[Geshron]

Dana White outright said he's going after him and the fight will happen, read it on Yahoo! News when that was the headlining story. Just a matter of time, I was loosely quoting actually.

[NocturnalRob]

Yeah, I would be surprised if Affliction lasts for another event after "Trilogy." That being said, I believe that Fedor wants a fuuuuuckton of money (as is his right), and wants fighters from his camp to be signed by the UFC. There really is no downside to this for the UFC. Not one that I can see anyway.

People also forget that Fedor is in his prime. He's 32 right now. UFC needs to get this shit done before he gets any older.

edit: and Dana White says a lot of shit that he pulls out of his ass, so I'm not going to get my hopes up until Fedor steps into the UFC ring.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

I have this terrible feeling that I'll be waking up the day after UFC 112 to eighteen articles entitled "Fedor flurry ends fight in first round."

[NocturnalRob]

more like UFC 120. and yeah, i fully anticipate that.

[Androidpk]

Getting excited about a fight that might not even happen :D. And yes, Fedor would most likely decimate Lesner.

[Drew]

I don't know how I feel about Fedor vs Lesnar. It won't happen for at least a year I think so that gives Lesnar another year of seasoning. Fedor isn't invincible and Hong Man Choi is not Lesnar. My gut says Lesnar, he's just such a physical freak. I'll have a better feel for it once we have an actual date set.

[Bhuryn]

Who was that huge guy that he fought not too long ago? Some monster of an asian guy. I think he subbed him with an armbar. It looked like Spiderman fighting the hulk. I didn't see the fight, but I imagine that it might go down the same way. Fedor has fought guys bigger than him before.

Found it:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/bottlerocketproductions/FedorArmbar.jpg

Hong man choi. He's just a beast, more talented the Sapp, but he's a can. Its part of fighting in japan though, they like the exhibition fights like that.

[Bhuryn]

Its pretty simple regarding Fedor and Lesnar. Fedor has a fight on Aug 1st with Barnett and then he's a free agent. You bet you're sweet ass UFC will go after Fedor and they'll get him.

Word on the streets is Fedor wants some of fighters to be signed by UFC as well. If this doesn't happen I lose all respect for Fedor. If he doesn't sign I have to put the blame on him and his camp. It makes zero sense for UFC to not make him the richest contract in MMA history and get this deal done.

Lesnar will fight the winner of Carwin VS Velasquez and then hopefully Fedor. Once Fedor gets in there he'll get the title shot.

The UFC contracts are exclusive. Fedor already said in the past he won't sign a contract that doesn't allow him to participate in Sambo tournaments. So either Dana makes an exception, Fedor suddenly retracts this requirement, or he doesn't sign. None of them except the last one are all the likely given their history.

Anyone that really thinks Lesner stands a chance of making it out of the first round with Fedor at this point in his career (maybe in 5 or 6 years with world class trainers and partners) is insane. Fedor is a totally different animal.

Go watch the Fedor/Randleman fight if you haven't seen it, you'll wonder if Fedor is human afterwards.

[Donquix]

Having just caught up on all 3 pages of this thread, i have this consolidated post you don't care about:

Brock Lesnar is absolutely nothing like hong man choi. That dude is just a freakshow. Lesnar is a freak of nature. choi is known for being a behemoth, and nothing more. Lesnar is not only freakishly strong, he is fast as fuck. For anyone really, but especially a heavyweight...and especially a fucking huge havyweight. He is an EXCEPTIONAL wrestler. He is a very, very different beast. I'm not saying he can beat Fedor...but i give this fight a toss up, slightly leaning towards fedor. If this was a fight with fedor of 3-5 years ago, it would be more in fedor's favor.

andrei arlovski is a very, very skilled fighter...but, he has no chin. He was clearly winning the first round against fedor (granted, fedor looked out of shape..but still) until he threw a dumb ass flying knee for no god damn reason and got caught.

Lol @ bisping's monster uppercut. He has ok power, not knockout power. and, i'm not sure if you noticed, but Dan Henderson's head is composed of 98% chin (the remainder being 1% beard stubble and 1% assorted other face parts) He would not have hurt henderson.

The fight would have been very different had he not been circling to his left like a fucking idiot. To say the way you circle in a boxing/mma fight has no impact on the fight is god damn idiotic. There is a reason his corner was yelling at him to circle right. There is a reason the announcers were yelling at him to circle right. There is a reason why in every fucking professional fight ever the strategy is to, more often than not, circle away from your opponent's most dangerous weapon. That's fucking fight game 101, jesus.

Would he still have been knocked out? quite possibly, by a right or a left. Henderson might not have fought so 1 dimensionally either. Had bisping more adeptly countered his best weapon he might have used more varied striking or gone for a takedown to, as most wrestlers do, work a vicious ground and pound. Instead, he spent the entire fight walking into henderson's most devastating strike and henderson waited it out, unfazed but bispings stick and move tactics and unafraid of his mediocre power.

I like kimbo a lot too, he's a really cool guy and very grounded (as much as that applies to a dude named "kimbo" who walks around with a 40 lbs fist medallion around his neck) has a good sense of humor, check out the "What would kimbo do?" videos. That being said, he has power and good hands...but he would, and probally will (i'd be happy to eat my words here) get torn apart by any halfway decent actual MMA fighter. I don't care how much he trains, he's starting too late. He could train his ass off for the next 3 years and then what do you have? A fighter who would have had great potential had he not started training when he was fucking 35. He is a non-factor in serious heavyweight discussions.

I hope he makes me eat my words, i really do like the guy.

[Parkbandit]

The UFC contracts are exclusive. Fedor already said in the past he won't sign a contract that doesn't allow him to participate in Sambo tournaments. So either Dana makes an exception, Fedor suddenly retracts this requirement, or he doesn't sign. None of them except the last one are all the likely given their history.

Anyone that really thinks Lesner stands a chance of making it out of the first round with Fedor at this point in his career (maybe in 5 or 6 years with world class trainers and partners) is insane. Fedor is a totally different animal.

Go watch the Fedor/Randleman fight if you haven't seen it, you'll wonder if Fedor is human afterwards.

Lesnar is about twice the size of Randleman... he's what, 5'10" and maybe 200 lbs? Lesnar's 6'3" and easily 265. They wouldn't even make a Randleman vs. Lesnar fight because let's be honest, it wouldn't be fair.

I'm not taking anything away from Fedor.. he's a beast with far more experience than Lesnar with a far superior arsenal of submission holds. Lesnar is just a complete freak of nature (ala Joe Rogan) that will grind his opponents with his size and power.

[Geshron]

Why I have more respect for Shane Carwin than any other current heavyweight:


The fans are why we do this, Brock, this sport is not about fat paychecks and drama. It is about hard work and sacrifice for a shot to do what you did last night. It doesn't matter how much money you make if you can't earn your peers' respect and the respect and love of the greatest sporting fans in the world. Every autograph I give, every hand I shake I am thankful that you give me the opportunity to be a part of your world. This is the greatest sport int he world and most of the athletes in it deserve the love and respect they get and some just dont get it. From leaving the venue all the way to the Airport I have had fans of the sport ask me to take out Brock Lesnar for them.

[SHAFT]

When it comes to a lesnar and fedor fight please factor in the octagon. I haven't watched all of fedors fights but all the ones I've seen are him in a ring. Let's face it, when the pride guys came over they got their asses whipped. Vanderlei, cro cop, Henderson..... The only one that did well I can think of is rampage

[NocturnalRob]

Lesnar is about twice the size of Randleman... he's what, 5'10" and maybe 200 lbs? Lesnar's 6'3" and easily 265. They wouldn't even make a Randleman vs. Lesnar fight because let's be honest, it wouldn't be fair.

I'm not taking anything away from Fedor.. he's a beast with far more experience than Lesnar with a far superior arsenal of submission holds. Lesnar is just a complete freak of nature (ala Joe Rogan) that will grind his opponents with his size and power.
That's not what he was saying. I doubt Kevin Randleman will ever fight in the UFC again. The point was that Fedor got fucking slammed (and his neck bent at a retarded angle) and still came back to submit Randleman.

You guys can believe what you want. Lesnar is a freak of nature. Fine. Whatever. Fedor is a demigod. He's been fighting professionally for over 9 years and has a record of 30-1 with 1 NC. Lesnar is an unappreciative sack of shit.

[SHAFT]

Pretty interesting but short interview with lorenzo fertitta on sherdog.com. If anyone doesn't know him he's the majority owner of zuffa/ufc. I'd post the link but I'm on my phone. He's gives the ufc's side of the fedor situation.

[NocturnalRob]

I love the softball questions that they always feed Fertitta. Don't be fooled. He is a fucking piranha. That dude does not fuck around.

[Fallen]

I love the softball questions that they always feed Fertitta. Don't be fooled. He is a fucking piranha. That dude does not fuck around.

No one on the management side of the UFC does. They are all hardcore cutthroats.

[Parkbandit]

Why I have more respect for Shane Carwin than any other current heavyweight:

Hopefully, Shane will push for an opportunity to "take Lesnar out"

[Bhuryn]

He fought Couture who's an undersized GnP/Dirty Boxer (still think couture wiill get one more shot), Mir who's striking is overrated (I think Mir is overrated as a fighter) and TCH who's become a punching bag in the last few years. What evidence do we have that he's really a great fighter? Royce proved years ago that MMA is more then power and speed which is about all people use to prove Brock's some overpowering, destructive force in MMA.

Forget Fedor right now since he's really in another world from Brock. I'd like to see Brock dispatch someone like Semmy. I doubt he could do it.

There are already some options in the UFC though:

Carwin will be Brock's first legitimate test in my opinion. I think this will be the next fight. After that there are some other up-in-comming options like Dos Santos depending on the outcome of the Cro Crap fight. A possible darkhorse is, Tim Hague. He is a few years out probably so there's no saying where Brock or he will end up but he's got the size, power and ground game to challenge Brock in a meat grinding contest.

Personally I'm looking forward to Couture/Big Nog more then Brock's next fight though.

[NocturnalRob]

Yeah, despite what everyone says, Lesnar has yet to fight anyone better than "decent." Couture is 46 and needs to go away. Mir...I'm sorry, but I've never thought that he's anything better than average. Texas Crazy Horse...I don't think that guy has strung together two consecutive wins in...5 years?

Schilt fights in Pride and is a horrific MMA HW. He's lost to Fedor, Nog, Barnett (twice), and Yvel. He pads his MMA record by fighting Japanese fighters who are a foot shorter and 100 pounds lighter.

I agree with you about Hague though. He needs another 4-5 fights under his belt in the UFC, but he's got a lot of potential, I think. His fight against Pat Barry was a good one.

[Donquix]

Mir is not overrated. He is a decent standup game and is one of the best heavyweights on the ground, period. His work ethic was an issue, especially after his accident.

I'm a huge fedor fan, i really am, buy you guys really really need to reign in the worship on him. he's amazing, he's scary, he's not unbeatable, not now. He's been fighting mostly schlubs (or not at all) for the last like 5 years. His last really good opponents were who? Cro cop in 2007? big nog definitely in 2004, and most recently arlovski who was clearly winning that round until he jumped right into a right hand.

I'd bet on Fedor every time, but i wouldn't be surprised if lesnar beat him either, or at least have a repeat of the first mir fight where he is clearly winning and then Fedor decides to rip his arm/leg off.

[Bhuryn]

Yeah, despite what everyone says, Lesnar has yet to fight anyone better than "decent." Couture is 46 and needs to go away. Mir...I'm sorry, but I've never thought that he's anything better than average. Texas Crazy Horse...I don't think that guy has strung together two consecutive wins in...5 years?

Schilt fights in Pride and is a horrific MMA HW. He's lost to Fedor, Nog, Barnett (twice), and Yvel. He pads his MMA record by fighting Japanese fighters who are a foot shorter and 100 pounds lighter.

I agree with you about Hague though. He needs another 4-5 fights under his belt in the UFC, but he's got a lot of potential, I think. His fight against Pat Barry was a good one.

My point was more that he is a big, dangerous striker -- not that Semmy was a particularly good fighter. :tumble:

[NocturnalRob]

My point was more that he is a big, dangerous striker -- not that Semmy was a particularly good fighter. :tumble:


I'd like to see Brock dispatch someone like Semmy. I doubt he could do it.

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[Bhuryn]

...

I was trying to point out that he hasn't fought an above-average striker yet. I wasn't making a case for Semmy being a particularly good MMArtist, just a dangerous striker =P.

So far all of Brock's match ups have been favorable. Carwin will be the first that is not.

[Drew]

Fedor is a demigod. He's been fighting professionally for over 9 years and has a record of 30-1 with 1 NC.

And that one loss wasn't really a loss. For all intents and purposes he is undefeated.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

Hopefully, Shane will push for an opportunity to "take Lesnar out"

...and get slaughtered.

Shane Carwin is lol. He'll NEVER hold a title, unless Lesnar pulls a Lesnar (aka pulling a Mir) and gets into a wreck, thus forcing the title onto him/some other can he's facing.

Yeah, he's undefeated. Yeah, he's looked impressive against just about everyone. No, he hasn't fought anyone worth a second look.

Gonzaga was his first worthwhile opponent, and lord knows the guy isn't good for anything but a random head kick and a poorly applied triangle from the bottom. Every fight Gonzaga has had against major competition, he's lost.


Every fight Gonzaga has had against major competition, he's lost.

Carwin will likely be the same way.

[Stunseed]

< Yeah, he's undefeated. Yeah, he's looked impressive against just about everyone. No, he hasn't fought anyone worth a second look. >

Besides Lesnar, there is no one impressive. That's how Lesnar got the belt. Let them fight before you call Carwin that, imho.

[Bhuryn]

There is no one impressive. That's how Lesnar got the belt.

this would actually be more correct.

I have to admit though, some of you sound a bit like WWE fans.

[Fallen]

this would actually be more correct.

I have to admit though, some of you sound a bit like WWE fans.

Hah, that's a BS move. Lesnar is good for the sport. More people are interested in MMA because of him than ever before. Did I like his little "performance" after his win? No. For that, I will likely never like him unless he later apologizes for it. MMA wont turn to the theatrics of WWE overnight, and lets not pretend they weren't present in other fights before Lesnar stepped into the ring.

[Bhuryn]

Hah, that's a BS move. Lesnar is good for the sport. More people are interested in MMA because of him than ever before. Did I like his little "performance" after his win? No. For that, I will likely never like him unless he later apologizes for it. MMA wont turn to the theatrics of WWE overnight, and lets not pretend they weren't present in other fights before Lesnar stepped into the ring.

He already sort of apologized for it. I wasn't really refereing to that though, more the Kimbo like worship of a guy with 5 MMA fights in his entire career. He hasn't beaten anyone to deserve the praise. Not necessarily his fault since the HW division has been weak, but he doesn't deserve the "unbeatable" tag, not even close.

[SHAFT]

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1909703,00.html

[Parkbandit]

Hah, that's a BS move. Lesnar is good for the sport. More people are interested in MMA because of him than ever before. Did I like his little "performance" after his win? No. For that, I will likely never like him unless he later apologizes for it. MMA wont turn to the theatrics of WWE overnight, and lets not pretend they weren't present in other fights before Lesnar stepped into the ring.

He's great for the sport. His match with Mir was the draw for UFC 100, and for being in the sport for less than 2 years, they came close to beating their previous PPV purse.

Personally, I loved Lesnar's brash "I don't give two shits about anyone" attitude... especially after all the smack talk Mir was puking up.

I'll pay to see him fight again.

[Bhuryn]

He's great for the sport. His match with Mir was the draw for UFC 100, and for being in the sport for less than 2 years, they came close to beating their previous PPV purse.

Personally, I loved Lesnar's brash "I don't give two shits about anyone" attitude... especially after all the smack talk Mir was puking up.

I'll pay to see him fight again.

I do, I imagine there's just a "few" fans out there that do, and I imagine the majority of the fighters inside and outside of the UFC do as well. Watch how the other fighters act after their fights.

Mir is a douche bag so I can understand the reaction ... The rest of it was so WWE it made me want to puke.

[Parkbandit]

I do, I imagine there's just a "few" fans out there that do, and I imagine the majority of the fighters inside and outside of the UFC do as well. Watch how the other fighters act after their fights.

Mir is a douche bag so I can understand the reaction ... The rest of it was so WWE it made me want to puke.

Like him or not.. he's fantastic for the sport. Half the people will be tuning in to see him dominate in his next fight.. the other half will be hoping he gets crushed. Either way, Lesnar = $$ for the UFC.

[Geshron]

Gonzaga and Mir are AMAZING brazilian jiu-jitsu practicioners, if you have any concept of the art and think beyond the parameters of "go run, go punch, fall down I hit you on ground til you go sleepy" that Brock employs then I don't think you'd be saying that.

Watch some of their BJJ matches, if you don't get it that's fine but if you've ever found yourself in someone's guard that is a higher belt than yourself it is a terrifying scenario that will always end badly haha.

[Androidpk]

Certainly ended bad for Mir.

[Parkbandit]

Gonzaga and Mir are AMAZING brazilian jiu-jitsu practicioners, if you have any concept of the art and think beyond the parameters of "go run, go punch, fall down I hit you on ground til you go sleepy" that Brock employs then I don't think you'd be saying that.

Watch some of their BJJ matches, if you don't get it that's fine but if you've ever found yourself in someone's guard that is a higher belt than yourself it is a terrifying scenario that will always end badly haha.

If I want to see two guys dance around for the "art" of it, I'll go to some gay Broadway show.

I tune in to UFC to see 2 guys try to beat the ever loving shit out of each other.

[Geshron]

If I want to see two guys dance around for the "art" of it, I'll go to some gay Broadway show.

I tune in to UFC to see 2 guys try to beat the ever loving shit out of each other.

I doubt you'd say that when you are being arm-barred, just saying. Royce Gracie fucked up everyone of every size and about as far away from gay as possible.

[Parkbandit]

I doubt you'd say that when you are being arm-barred, just saying. Royce Gracie fucked up everyone of every size and about as far away from gay as possible.

Wait.. so I'm going from a spectator to contestant somehow?

Awesome.

[Fallen]

Bottom line is it doesn't matter a good god damn how good your BJJ is if you cannot beat your opponent with it in the UFC.

[Drew]

I doubt you'd say that when you are being arm-barred, just saying. Royce Gracie fucked up everyone of every size and about as far away from gay as possible.



The level of competition wasn't exactly sterling in those days. Your argument seems to be that size doesn't matter because of BJJ but I assure you if you sent Lesnar back in time he would have killed Royce.

[Parkbandit]

Bottom line is it doesn't matter a good god damn how good your BJJ is if you cannot beat your opponent with it in the UFC.

/endthread

[Geshron]

Are you fucking stupid???

Go watch UFC 1. Period.

Go watch any of Miguel 'Angel' Torres' fights also.

Furthermore, just simply look at the Wiki pages of any of your favorite fighters. ANYTIME SOMEONE IS SUBMITTED BY TRIANGLE, ARMBAR, REAR-NAKED CHOKE, KNEE-BAR (Mir VS Lesnar), that is BRAZILIAN JIU-JITSU. That's the equivalent of saying that boxing isn't viable in the UFC. Idiots, seriously.

[Bhuryn]

Most Armbars and leglocks used in MMA are actually Sambo locks not BJJ. BJJ just adopted them because they work. Easy way to tell, if it doesn't have a fancy name (Kimura, D'arce Choke, Anaconda Choke, Peruvian Neccktie, etc.) it's probably not originally from BJJ. Some like the Crucifix are from wrestling.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

Are you fucking stupid???

Go watch UFC 1. Period.

Go watch any of Miguel 'Angel' Torres' fights also.

Furthermore, just simply look at the Wiki pages of any of your favorite fighters. ANYTIME SOMEONE IS SUBMITTED BY TRIANGLE, ARMBAR, REAR-NAKED CHOKE, KNEE-BAR (Mir VS Lesnar), that is BRAZILIAN JIU-JITSU. That's the equivalent of saying that boxing isn't viable in the UFC. Idiots, seriously.

No you moron. They're saying that someone who is JUST a superior Jiu-Jitsu practitioner cannot win in the UFC, just as someone who is JUST a boxer wouldn't be able to. The sport is about combining every element of hand to hand combat, and turning your weaknesses into strengths while maintaining your other skills that were already more than adequate.

Royce Gracie losing to Matt Hughes proves this, as does Frank Mir's loss to Brock Lesnar. Rather than relying on having a very competant guard, and being able to get the fight standing, Gracie and Mir both ended up assuming that they would be fine on their back, and both were destroyed for it.

Gabriel Gonzaga's Jiu-Jitsu is pretty average compared to anyone else who "earned" their black belt, and the rest of his game is pretty laughable.



< Yeah, he's undefeated. Yeah, he's looked impressive against just about everyone. No, he hasn't fought anyone worth a second look. >

Besides Lesnar, there is no one impressive. That's how Lesnar got the belt. Let them fight before you call Carwin that, imho.

Until Lesnar broke down the old man, Couture damn sure qualified as "impressive". When Mir was beating the daylights out of Nog, he damn sure qualified as "impressive". Even Heath Herring has his moments, when compared to the other "contenders" at the moment.

Carwin has nothing off of his back, and Lesnar's striking will be twice as good as his by the time they're in the same building. Good luck to him if he beats Cain, he'll need it.

[Bhuryn]

The level of competition wasn't exactly sterling in those days. Your argument seems to be that size doesn't matter because of BJJ but I assure you if you sent Lesnar back in time he would have killed Royce.

I'd pay to see Severn vs Lesner.

[Geshron]

I suppose it matters none anyhow. Fedor WILL SMASH BROCK.

That I will be beyond pleased with. Everything else, let's put some silvers where are typing fingers are, that's that. Again, it's all up for healthy debate but if you watch Miguel Torres fight, you will see BJJ mixed with solid striking means you end up getting tapped out and bloody as fuck.

[Stunseed]

< Until Lesnar broke down the old man, Couture damn sure qualified as "impressive". >

Really? I saw him as ancient, wore down and tired. He didn't want to fight, in my opinion. Couture WAS a great one, a Hall of Famer. Why not just ask Butterbean to fight Lesnar?

< When Mir was beating the daylights out of Nog, he damn sure qualified as "impressive". >

Nog is another member of the over-the-hill gang. They're even making a Ric Flair/Arn Anderson match coming soon....Nog/Couture. I like Mir's skillset as well, but that doesn't change the fact that Nog is worn out. Let's bring Ken Shamrock back.

The heavyweight division right now is fucking weak. Lesnar just happens to be a fresh face, which is why he was skyrocketed to hold a belt. He's popular and they hope to revive the division. That's awesome news, but it doesn't change the fact that Carwin is prolly the only decent shot at a show with Lesnar pre-Fedor. Thank god the real divisions have some promise.

[Bhuryn]

Sad part was Couture was actually doing a pretty decent job until he got caught.

[Geshron]

Sad part was Couture was actually doing a pretty decent job until he got caught.

He had a lot of cage control, that's for sure. He was able to maneuver Brock around pretty well. Those stupid hammer-fists. Which I noticed he threw less of.