Kidney pain? [Archive] - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

diethx

07-02-2009, 11:56 PM

So I'm starting to think maybe I should go see a doctor but I loathe going to hospitals. A couple days ago I started getting a slight flaring pain in the spot I presume to be where my right kidney is. It's not too painful and comes and goes. It also seems to be bouncing across my ab area to the same spot on the left side.

Wait, is the pain in your BACK or on your stomach/rib area? Cause kidney pain I believe usually manifests first on the back but the way you describe it makes it sound like it's in the front on your stomach area. If it's in the front, and you have a pain that runs across in a line to the left side, it might be your gallbladder.

When do you get the pain? After any specific activity? After eating or something?

Either way you need to get it checked out by a doctor.

Tisket

07-02-2009, 11:56 PM

I'll add my two cents...go to the doctor, dude. Don't fuck around with your health.

Also, I've had a kidney stone and I've given birth. The kidney stone was far more excruciating. Not that I'm suggesting that you have a kidney stone. Just commenting.

radamanthys

07-03-2009, 12:05 AM

I'm gonna put my chips in the pot and guess that a rash will appear in a couple days.

The Ponzzz

07-03-2009, 12:08 AM

Man, you guys all jump to the doctor fast. I tussin the shit up for months.

diethx

07-03-2009, 12:11 AM

Man, you guys all jump to the doctor fast. I tussin the shit up for months.

Superficial pains like in the muscle or skin can usually wait, as they'll often subside on their own. It's usually just a pull or a strain or something. You don't fuck around with your organs though.

The Ponzzz

07-03-2009, 12:13 AM

I do. Shit, I'd live at the hospital if I went everytime I had a pain.

thefarmer

07-03-2009, 12:13 AM

Man, you guys all jump to the doctor fast. I tussin the shit up for months.

If you were smarter, you wouldn't.

The Ponzzz

07-03-2009, 12:15 AM

It's the Italian in me.

Androidpk

07-03-2009, 12:17 AM

Wait, is the pain in your BACK or on your stomach/rib area? Cause kidney pain I believe usually manifests first on the back but the way you describe it makes it sound like it's in the front on your stomach area. If it's in the front, and you have a pain that runs across in a line to the left side, it might be your gallbladder.

When do you get the pain? After any specific activity? After eating or something?

Either way you need to get it checked out by a doctor.

Stomach/rib area yes. Back, no. Right it its centered in the front of my stomach, just a dull ache. It seems to mostly occur at night too and in the morning, not sure if that means anything.

Going to see if I can make an appointment tomorrow.

diethx

07-03-2009, 12:18 AM

I do. Shit, I'd live at the hospital if I went everytime I had a pain.

Chances are you haven't had anything really worth a doctor's visit then. Cause other than shit like an upset stomach or whatever, organ issues don't tend to go away on their own.

diethx

07-03-2009, 12:20 AM

Stomach/rib area yes. Back, no. Right it its centered in the front of my stomach, just a dull ache. It seems to mostly occur at night too and in the morning, not sure if that means anything.

Going to see if I can make an appointment tomorrow.

Well the kidneys are in the back of your abdominal cavity, not the front. I know eventually if the problem isn't resolved, a kidney pain can make its way around to the front, but the pain manifests first in the back.

kookiegod

07-03-2009, 12:21 AM

Having just gone thru this...

For months, I manned up and took the pain. It started slowly, just some random weird choking sensations, I thought it was just some reflux and downed some antiacids.

It got worse as time went on, and when I needed to throw up every morning (morning sickness before anyone makes the joke :). I'd choke up at dinner and need to go throw up or worse, driving. I knew I had to see a doctor. Saw my PCP, and he had no clue, so went thru a battery of tests, upper and lower GI (ugh, no fun), a scope down my throat, and an ultrasound.

They finally decided they found 'sludge' in my gallbladder and 2 weeks ago, I had surgery to remove it.

I feel amazing, I was back in the gym in 4 days, I can't go full bore yet and its killing me, i'm tired a lot still from pushing too hard, naps rule, but i'm getting there.

Don't play around, go get it checked.

I feel great and soon back to half man, half amazing. :)

~Paul

diethx

07-03-2009, 12:24 AM

They finally decided they found 'sludge' in my gallbladder and 2 weeks ago, I had surgery to remove it.

Yeah his sounds like gallbladder issues to me. Which is better than kidney issues any day of the fucking week.

radamanthys

07-03-2009, 12:26 AM

Androidpk

07-03-2009, 12:27 AM

It's times like this where I wish I had NPH on speed dial.

thefarmer

07-03-2009, 12:30 AM

If you don't end up going, and later on your ankles start to swell... go to the doc the minute you notice the swelling.

diethx

07-03-2009, 12:30 AM

It's times like this where I wish I had NPH on speed dial.

Yeah, a unicorn might make the pain go away.

radamanthys

07-03-2009, 12:31 AM

It's times like this where I wish I had NPH on speed dial.

lol... doogie. I'd prefer House.

Any other symptoms? Headache/light sensativity? Mild flu-like symtoms, but no fever?

(I like this game, hehe)

diethx

07-03-2009, 12:32 AM

If you don't end up going, and later on your ankles start to swell... go to the doc the minute you notice the swelling.

Yeah edema is a serious symptom of some imbalance or another. I honestly don't remember if gallbladder issues will cause it though. PK, do you have any pitting around your ankle? Like when you push hard on the skin in the front/bottom of your shin, or above your ankle bone, does the skin stay depressed and slowly come back up - like you have a "pit"?

Androidpk

07-03-2009, 12:39 AM

lol... doogie. I'd prefer House.

Any other symptoms? Headache/light sensativity? Mild flu-like symtoms, but no fever?

(I like this game, hehe)

Nothing. No loss of appetite or anything else besides what I've mentioned.

Yeah edema is a serious symptom of some imbalance or another. I honestly don't remember if gallbladder issues will cause it though. PK, do you have any pitting around your ankle? Like when you push hard on the skin in the front/bottom of your shin, or above your ankle bone, does the skin stay depressed and slowly come back up - like you have a "pit"?

No. Ankles feel fine. Was actually outside earlier playing basketball no problem.

diethx

07-03-2009, 12:40 AM

That's definitely good. Just make a doc's appt asap, and thank your lucky stars if all it is is your gallbladder. :D

kookiegod

07-03-2009, 12:48 AM

I'm currently in the process of having those tests. Woke up during my endoscopy and screamed in pain. Normal human doses of opiates don't work on me... even fentanyl, apparently. My throat hurt for a week.

They're onto gallbladder now. Wierd choking and morning sickness sounds about right. Did you have a lack of appetite?

Yep, i lost a good 10-15 lbs, lot of power, tired all the time cause I wasn't eating enough.

Tired now because of the surgery and the drugs but its turning the corner finally.

The laproscopic surgery isn't too bad itself, I did bad under the anastesia (sp?) waking up, definitely a bad patient, but i got out in 6 hours and didn't have to stay

If you want to chat before they do it if thats what it is, lemme know and I'll run you thru what happened to me.

~Paul

radamanthys

07-03-2009, 12:56 AM

Yep, i lost a good 10-15 lbs, lot of power, tired all the time cause I wasn't eating enough.

Tired now because of the surgery and the drugs but its turning the corner finally.

The laproscopic surgery isn't too bad itself, I did bad under the anastesia (sp?) waking up, definitely a bad patient, but i got out in 6 hours and didn't have to stay

If you want to chat before they do it if thats what it is, lemme know and I'll run you thru what happened to me.

~Paul

Yea, the nuke test was ~2 weeks ago. Missed my follow-up on Tuesday with my ge because of family shit, and he's hard to get an appointment with. Might be a while, but if it's that, I'll be sure to hit you up- thanks :-).

LMingrone

07-03-2009, 05:21 AM

Yep, i lost a good 10-15 lbs, lot of power, tired all the time cause I wasn't eating enough.

Tired now because of the surgery and the drugs but its turning the corner finally.
~Paul

Damn. Same here. I weighed myself yesterday and was scared I lost 15 pounds in the last month. I've been eating one meal a day and I've been sleeping WAY more than usual. I hate going to the doctor. My mom made me test my blood sugar and I'm extremely high. Now I have to go. Probably doesn't help that I've broken six ribs and never went to the doctor for it (just got an X-ray and kept working).

I'm scared what the doctors are going to tell me. Oh, and I drink way too much. Fuck

Lumi

07-03-2009, 05:46 AM

Yeah his sounds like gallbladder issues to me. Which is better than kidney issues any day of the fucking week.

Having had kidney stones three times (and I'm only 27 :(), this is so true.

diethx

07-03-2009, 06:48 AM

Well I didn't mean cuz of stones. Stones hurt like a sonofabitch but once they pass, that's it. You just have to be conscious about what makes them form. I actually meant though, you can live without a gallbladder, so worst case scenario you get it removed and you're good to go after some recouping. You can't live without kidneys (at least not a long healthy life, since dialysis won't hold you out forever or happily).

Anyway Lumi, i'm sure your doctors told you to watch your diet? And you drink enough water right? Because dehydration helps stones form. And now that you live in hell, especially during the summer, you need to make sure you drink assloads of water.

radamanthys

07-03-2009, 07:09 AM

Heard from a woman who went through birth:

"Passing [Kidney] stones is more painful than childbirth."

Kuyuk

07-03-2009, 07:38 AM

way to repost tisket, rad ;p

Ker_Thwap

07-03-2009, 09:50 AM

Skip the doctor, I recommend self surgery.

Whimsi

07-03-2009, 01:18 PM

Anyway Lumi, i'm sure your doctors told you to watch your diet? And you drink enough water right? Because dehydration helps stones form. And now that you live in hell, especially during the summer, you need to make sure you drink assloads of water.

What part of your diet can you adjust to avoid forming them? Is it an excess of calcium that makes them? I love my milk damn it.

Back

07-03-2009, 01:20 PM

What part of your diet can you adjust to avoid forming them? Is it an excess of calcium that makes them? I love my milk damn it.

Carbonated drinks I believe.

BigWorm

07-03-2009, 03:14 PM

Pain just on one side? In a band parrallel to your waist? Sounds like shingles to me. If a rash shows up, get to a doctor fast so you can get anti-virals and painkillers because its no fun :(.

diethx

07-03-2009, 04:06 PM

What part of your diet can you adjust to avoid forming them? Is it an excess of calcium that makes them? I love my milk damn it.

Calcium, and oxalic acid. That's a plant acid that's found in teas, coffees, sodas, etc. So drink a lot of water not just to hydrate (and therefore prevent dehydration, which concentrates the calcium oxilate into stones) you but also to keep you from drinking an excess of oxalic acid in other stuff instead.

Most stones are just calcium oxilate salts. So I think even if you have an excess of calcium, it won't cause a stone unless you also have enough oxalic acid to form calcium oxilate. So drink lots of milk and just stay away from too much sodas and teas and shit if you think you're going to be prone to stones.

ElanthianSiren

07-03-2009, 04:41 PM

Damn. Same here. I weighed myself yesterday and was scared I lost 15 pounds in the last month. I've been eating one meal a day and I've been sleeping WAY more than usual. I hate going to the doctor. My mom made me test my blood sugar and I'm extremely high. Now I have to go. Probably doesn't help that I've broken six ribs and never went to the doctor for it (just got an X-ray and kept working).

I'm scared what the doctors are going to tell me. Oh, and I drink way too much. Fuck

How high is "extremely high"?

Try taking a fasting test as well.

OP if the pain is starting in your abdominal right side it could be many things, including gas, but it could also be your appendix. Have it checked out.

Androidpk

07-03-2009, 04:43 PM

Called a doctors office and tried to make an appointment but my insurance wasn't being accepted, don't know why. The place I get it from was closed today so i'm gonna have to wait until monday.

BigWorm, no rash or anything, and the pain seems to be just under my ribline. As far as carbonated drinks go I don't drink any. I mostly drink water and I have that crystal delight powder mix. Rasberry lemonade or something.

Lumi

07-03-2009, 07:15 PM

Anyway Lumi, i'm sure your doctors told you to watch your diet? And you drink enough water right? Because dehydration helps stones form. And now that you live in hell, especially during the summer, you need to make sure you drink assloads of water.

Of course they did!

Well, wait, not the first time. The first time they ran three scans (lower abdomen, abdomen, and stomach, they told me) to confirm that I had kidney stones. They told me it was too small to break up with Sonic Disruption (:D), but big enough that it would hurt like a bitch when I passed it. Sent me home, said drink lots of water.

The next week, I was in so much pain I had to leave work and go back to the ER. They ran two more scans (!) to confirm it was still stones, then told me the same thing, sent me home.

Then they tried to charge me 6k for all the scans and the treatment of sending me home to drink water. I had a talk with the family lawyer.

But the second time I had stones, it was much better! Wait, no, no, they still didn't tell me anything about my diet. They scanned me and said there was nothing there. I should drink water just to be safe.

A few days later, I passed it. It was a painful, bloody mess. I could see the stone.

The third time...yeah, there wasn't even a doctor involved. I knew the pain by that point, I upped my (already considerable) water intake, cut soda from my diet, and it passed a couple days later (not as bad as the second one, thankfully).

Interestingly, Dr. Interweb was able to tell me everything I needed to know about dealing with stones, and he didn't even charge me. I drink a ton of water now (seltzer is awesome), some powerade when I'm working out, and the occasional glass of lemonade. I've cut alcohol out of my diet entirely, and also reduced the amount of lactose in my diet (ice cream and milk mostly, I still snack on apple slices and cheese). It's working out well, and I'm in better shape than I've been in awhile.

And hey, no stones :)

Berylla

07-03-2009, 07:33 PM

Still, should go see a doc with the stone in tow to have it analyzed. There's quite a few different types of kidney stones. Only a doctor can tell you what's causing it.

And when I go to the ER with a kidney stone (twice now) I don't leave without some frigging morphine! Makes the whole thing worthwhile...

diethx

07-03-2009, 09:18 PM

(seltzer is awesome)

It so fucking is, and aside from some bottled water either plain or with Crystal Light, that's all I drink at home. I've noticed though that in the grocery stores down here, the only really decent type is SYFO brand in the little glass bottles. They sell them at Publix. I know, it's just seltzer. But the store brands down here don't stay carbonated very long, especially if they're in crappy big plastic bottles.

diethx

07-03-2009, 09:23 PM

but it could also be your appendix

I guess that's possible, but doubtful. Appendix pain first manifests in the lower abdomen, often near the belly button or in the right quadrant. What he's describing is much higher. And I don't believe appendix pain will spread across to the left side, but I could be wrong about that part.

BigWorm

07-03-2009, 10:42 PM

I'm telling you, its shingles.

Androidpk

07-03-2009, 10:52 PM

If it was my appendix wouldn't I be in severe pain?

thefarmer

07-03-2009, 11:17 PM

If it was my appendix wouldn't I be in severe pain?

I dunno, but the lack of pain doesn't necessarily mean that something serious isn't happening.

Kuyuk

07-03-2009, 11:17 PM

not always

on a side note, when Iwas in college someone fell down an icy fire escape and ruptured their spleen.

I bitched at him all day for being shitty in the kitchen.

Then we sent him to the ER and he had to have surgery.

K.

LMingrone

07-03-2009, 11:26 PM

If you don't want to spend a ton of money if there's really nothing wrong, go to a walk-in clinic first. That's what I'm doing on Thursday. It only costs $20 for a visit around here. If they think there's something wrong, they'll refer you to someone else. I always go there instead of a hospital first, unless it was something very serious.

radamanthys

07-03-2009, 11:26 PM

way to repost tisket, rad ;p

Shit, I didn't even see that.

Sorry, kid.

'course bigworm took my shingles idea. Ass. hehe, jk.

ElanthianSiren

07-03-2009, 11:28 PM

If it was my appendix wouldn't I be in severe pain?

Not always. The appendix can inflame then the inflammation can be supressed, but the state of deterioration gradually worsens until it finally pops. It's rare but another thing to consider. Appendix is the right side and manifests as you explained (dull pain) from everything I've been told. I still have mine, so I haven't experienced it, but those are the things that made me think of it.

Other things: inguinal hernia, intestinal blockage/issue, or the aforementioned gas. My money's on one of the less serious things mentioned, but it's the internet, so who knows.

Tea & Strumpets

07-03-2009, 11:57 PM

As a certified Gemstone player, I diagnose you with gout.

Tisket

07-04-2009, 12:45 AM

Shit, I didn't even see that.

Sorry, kid.

S'ok, I'll plagiarize you next time.

And on topic...I think it's tonsillitis. That's right. Tonsillitis.

diethx

07-04-2009, 12:47 AM

If it was my appendix wouldn't I be in severe pain?

Only if it burst. But like I said earlier, appendix pain occurs in the lower abdomen near the navel, not the upper abdomen where you're describing the pain. The chances of you having appendix pain in a totally different area (an area where your appendix isn't located) is very slight i'd think.

Androidpk

07-04-2009, 12:51 AM

I was thinking it would be really cool if I developed a huge rash in that area and it burst open and there was an eyeball in there just looking around. I'm not that lucky though.

thefarmer

07-04-2009, 12:53 AM

It'd be cooler if you gave birth to a zombie Alien

edit:

This would also work.

http://heystupid.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/chestburster_spaceballs_2.jpg

diethx

07-04-2009, 12:54 AM

Ahahaha. I think that might freak me out. :/

Tisket

07-04-2009, 12:56 AM

Did someone mention zombies???

Androidpk

07-04-2009, 12:57 AM

Did someone mention zombies???

I have been craving more meat lately.

Tisket

07-04-2009, 12:58 AM

I've never found you more attractive.

thefarmer

07-04-2009, 12:59 AM

Did someone mention zombies???

http://www.pumpkin-porn.com/zombies/

Tisket

07-04-2009, 01:00 AM

haha

The Ponzzz

07-04-2009, 01:09 AM

http://www.pumpkin-porn.com/zombies/

Whoa...

Androidpk

07-04-2009, 01:17 AM

http://www.pumpkin-porn.com/zombies/

Whereas most people tend to think about how they are going to survive during a zombie rising, thefarmer is learning up on how to have a good time during the aftermath. :D

iJin

07-04-2009, 01:29 AM

Oh god, zombies. :heart:

thefarmer

07-04-2009, 01:34 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d-tNXxTRBA

Androidpk

07-04-2009, 01:42 AM

I like when the guy shakes his wife, as if she might still be ok after hacking up all her internal organs, lol.

Lumi

07-04-2009, 02:42 AM

It so fucking is, and aside from some bottled water either plain or with Crystal Light, that's all I drink at home. I've noticed though that in the grocery stores down here, the only really decent type is SYFO brand in the little glass bottles. They sell them at Publix. I know, it's just seltzer. But the store brands down here don't stay carbonated very long, especially if they're in crappy big plastic bottles.

I don't buy seltzer in bottles anymore for that very reason. I get cases of cans from Kroger's now, which are the perfect serving size to stay fizzy :)

diethx

07-04-2009, 02:44 AM

http://www.pumpkin-porn.com/zombies/

Ahahahaha, wtf.

I don't buy seltzer in bottles anymore for that very reason. I get cases of cans from Kroger's now, which are the perfect serving size to stay fizzy :)

Kroger brand comes in cans? WTH, not at my Kroger. :/

ElanthianSiren

07-04-2009, 11:34 AM

The chances of you having appendix pain in a totally different area (an area where your appendix isn't located) is very slight i'd think.

Actually, appendix pain is well documented for traveling throughout the stomach. It usually begins in the center of the abdomen high to the belly button (where one has no appendix), travels to the lower right side (where the appendix actually is) then may move to the left side, (where one has no appendix). This is due to generalized inflammation through the enteric lymph nodes, usually considered to be bactieral in origin.

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/appendicitis/

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23069109/

That said, Paul's assessment seems most feasible, which is why I noted it as something else to think about, much like gas, reflux issues, ulcerations, herniation etc.

pabstblueribbon

07-04-2009, 11:41 AM

Maybe its a tumah.

GET TO THA CHOPPAH!! NAO!!

ElanthianSiren

07-04-2009, 11:45 AM

:lol: but then perhaps it'd say, "Ahhhhhh'll be back."

couldn't resist.

diethx

07-05-2009, 12:22 AM

Actually, appendix pain is well documented for traveling throughout the stomach.

If you say so. That's not what I learned in my classes though. Perhaps i'll learn differently when I get to more digestive patho at the end of this semester.

That said, Paul's assessment seems most feasible

You mean what I said in my first post, before Paul posted his experience? Heh.

Yeah, I didn't include gas as a possibility since he said it doesn't occur in conjunction with eating, and chances of him not knowing what gas feels like is unlikely at his age. Also, reflux is not what he was describing either.

Androidpk

07-05-2009, 12:37 AM

diethx, you mentioned earlier to stay away from sodas and teas. Soda I can understand but I thought tea was supposed to be good for you with its antioxidants?

Gan

07-05-2009, 12:53 AM

Maybe its a tumah.
GET TO THA CHOPPAH!! NAO!!
THA BRIDGE IS OUUUUT!!!

That being said, my first suggestion was going to be shingles; however, my pain radiated from right side upwards to my neck/ear. Then I saw that he gets it mostly at night/mornings - which my shingles hurt all the fucking time.

My next thought was Gall Bladder. I've had mine out for 4 years? now and I still remember how fucking bad that hurt. I now understand how a horse feels when its in colic. The only thing that made the pain go away (other than removal) was dilaudid (IV). My gall bladder felt like a squeezing pain on my right front abdomen. It hurt worse whenever I ate a 'fatty' meal like meat/steak. I lost weight prior to surgery due to the pain killing apetite. When they removed it, they said it was really sick, had a white film on the outside and was stopped up with one huge stone and lots of sludge. YUMMY! I asked the doc if I could see it, but he had already sent it down to pathology to be checked out (GO STAN!). Nothing cancerous found.

So, I'd say worst case scenario is that you have a sick Gall Bladder or maybe a few small stones making things unpleasant for you. If you wake up in the middle of the night screaming in pain, balled up on the floor, then you've got a full blown bile duct occlusion and its time to yank that puppy out.

And points to Diethx for checking for pitting edema.

Back

07-05-2009, 01:05 AM

You need surgery. Like knives cutting you open and removing organs type of surgery.

Or you could have just slept too long.

But it is probably cancer.

diethx

07-05-2009, 02:24 AM

diethx, you mentioned earlier to stay away from sodas and teas. Soda I can understand but I thought tea was supposed to be good for you with its antioxidants?

No no, that's just if you're prone to kidney stones (basically advising Lumi). If you've never had a kidney stone that's been diagnosed I wouldn't worry about drinking tea, or soda in moderation (cuz soda sucks for you in general). I have some diet green tea every day though.

Kuyuk

07-05-2009, 08:47 AM

ElanthianSiren

07-05-2009, 01:05 PM

<I have some diet green tea every day though.>

How does one have diet green tea??? water + tea = tea... how do you put a diet in there..

Unless of course you're talking about the super sugary pre-made teas you buy in the store which are horrible....

K.

I make my own diet black tea:

Twinings English Breakfast (Decaf) + Hot Water
Steep 10 minutes (yes 10... I like to see black tannins float in my tea)
Tiny bit of half and half or light cream
Splenda

OR
Twinings English Breakfast (Decaf) + Water + Sun + Splenda and maybe some lemons.
Steep all day (I like strong tea).

This summer, I've noticed a chlorinated undertang to them though, which may be from the replacement of the hydroxal with chlorine in Splenda.

For me, it's a good "diet" tea. I should point out that I watch carbs much closer than fats because I don't have to take insulin for fats, nor do I have a history of gall problems, heart disease etc in my family.

ElanthianSiren

07-05-2009, 01:17 PM

If you say so. That's not what I learned in my classes though. Perhaps i'll learn differently when I get to more digestive patho at the end of this semester.

You mean what I said in my first post, before Paul posted his experience? Heh.

Yeah, I didn't include gas as a possibility since he said it doesn't occur in conjunction with eating, and chances of him not knowing what gas feels like is unlikely at his age.

Basic A&P digestive and circulatory, at least it was for me. However, I didn't "say so" in what you're responding to... the NIH said so. Knowing people don't just cart around A&P texts, I didn't reference Martini.

Oh, you did mention it first. I wasn't paying attention to your post, I guess. Paul's was the first I saw, however, with substance on the topic for the OP, so I credited him.

A normal person takes 15-30 hours to fully digest and excrete food (5, 5, 5-25, for 5 hours in the stomach, 5 hours in the s intestine, 5-25 in the l intestine), thus saying "it can't be gas, it doesn't occur with eating!" is about as correct as, "It's got to be gallbladder because it doesn't occur with eating!" Minimally, you're talking about six hours, unless that's the time frame you meant by "with eating" or you're saying that generally speaking, gall attacks don't occur in response to eating fatty foods.

The OP may know what gas feels like, but which part of the digestive was affected may affect the sensation, particularly in his references: if he's never had over colonization of E coli fermenting lactose in the s. intestine, just for example and has developed it recently. It could also be some sort of weak liver issue where he's not releasing enough bile for the small intestine before getting to the bile release from the gall bladdar. Additionally, I guess you could be saying he has billary cholic, but that's more specific.

I still say his symptoms could be several things, and he should see his doctor.

diethx

07-05-2009, 06:15 PM

<I have some diet green tea every day though.>

How does one have diet green tea??? water + tea = tea... how do you put a diet in there..

Unless of course you're talking about the super sugary pre-made teas you buy in the store which are horrible....

K.

I just get the cans of Arizona diet green tea with ginseng. I like the taste cause it's not very sweet and I don't have to make it myself, which is SUPER sweet. Plus, I don't like hot tea. So I don't have to bother with the cooling.

Oh, you did mention it first. I wasn't paying attention to your post, I guess.

Shocker. Anyone who might know a little bit about something health-related isn't worth listening to, because you obviously know more. It's a good thing I didn't try to give him some advice on diabetes, otherwise your head might have exploded.

A normal person takes 15-30 hours to fully digest and excrete food (5, 5, 5-25, for 5 hours in the stomach, 5 hours in the s intestine, 5-25 in the l intestine), thus saying "it can't be gas, it doesn't occur with eating!" is about as correct as, "It's got to be gallbladder because it doesn't occur with eating!" Minimally, you're talking about six hours, unless that's the time frame you meant by "with eating" or you're saying that generally speaking, gall attacks don't occur in response to eating fatty foods.

For someone so smart, you really are acting pretty stupid. I never said "it can't be gas, it doesn't occur with eating!" However, when *I* get gas, it's usually within a couple hours of eating a meal. Same for the people i've been around a lot after meals and whom i'm close enough with that they don't mind farting in front of me. So that, combined with the fact that i'm pretty sure someone of his age knows what gas feels like, I felt it was safe to not suggest gas.

I also never said, "It's got to be gallbladder because it doesn't occur with eating!" Nice try at trying to twist shit, though. I first stated, BASED ON WHERE HE DESCRIBED THE PAIN WAS OCCURRING, that it sounded very much like gallbladder issues. Then I asked about any relation to eating habits after, to see if maybe it was something else. It's really sad that you're the only one who's having issues with what I was trying to get across. Then again, not surprising.

Gan

07-05-2009, 06:23 PM

Someone mentioned reflux earlier...

Reflux in itself does not cause pain, but the results of reflux can cause pain. OP said he was symptomatic at bedtime/morning. Reflux can cause exposure to the esophagus to gastric fluids from the stomach which can result in ulcerations in the lower esophagus and the pain that he describes, especially when the person is lying down or has been lying down. However, the upper GI should have revealed any ulcerations... so while it might fit, I would have guessed that it would have been picked up already by the GI.

diethx

07-05-2009, 06:27 PM

ElanthianSiren

07-05-2009, 06:53 PM

Yeah, I didn't include gas as a possibility since he said it doesn't occur in conjunction with eating, and chances of him not knowing what gas feels like is unlikely at his age.

I never said "it can't be gas, it doesn't occur with eating!" So that, combined with the fact that i'm pretty sure someone of his age knows what gas feels like, I felt it was safe to not suggest gas.

Shocker. Anyone who might know a little bit about something health-related isn't worth listening to, because you obviously know more. It's a good thing I didn't try to give him some advice on diabetes, otherwise your head might have exploded.

I also never said, "It's got to be gallbladder because it doesn't occur with eating!" Nice try at trying to twist shit, though. I first stated, BASED ON WHERE HE DESCRIBED THE PAIN WAS OCCURRING, that it sounded very much like gallbladder issues. Then I asked about any relation to eating habits after, to see if maybe it was something else.

There's a huge difference between knowing a little something and excluding other possibilities without the facilities to do so. I've never maintained it's not gall bladdar related. What I have said is that there are several possibilities, and the OP should have them checked out. Because they don't all agree with your assessment is no reason to get as asshurt as you are and run to the caps key.

Why would I care if you give someone advice on diabetes?

You also fail at comprehension apparently. I never said that you said that it had to be gall, but you sure are acting that way, aren't you? I have in fact said that it may be gall bladdar related. I simply don't feel any of us here has the tools to make a diagnosis beyond what a text book tells us, which is why I have noted repeatedly that the OP should see his doctor.

Daniel

07-05-2009, 06:57 PM

I go poop.

Gan

07-05-2009, 08:06 PM

Definately go have a medical professional check it out. Dont rely upon the PC witch doctors...

Tisket

07-05-2009, 08:08 PM

Definately go have a medical professional check it out. Dont rely upon the PC witch doctors...

Agreed. You're just as likely to get a correct diagnosis using Dr. Google.

diethx

07-05-2009, 08:24 PM

There's a huge difference between knowing a little something and excluding other possibilities without the facilities to do so. I've never maintained it's not gall bladdar related. What I have said is that there are several possibilities, and the OP should have them checked out. Because they don't all agree with your assessment is no reason to get as asshurt as you are and run to the caps key.

If you had actually read what I said (funny, you quoted it yet again but couldn't even read it), I never stated that there was no way it could possibly be gas, which is what your last post clearly implied. I simply said that I didn't include it as something I thought it was, because I didn't think it was gas. Again, never said it COULDN'T be gas. That's where you fail.

I never said you maintained it wasn't gallbladder related. And I think everyone, including myself, told him to set a doctor's appointment as soon as possible to find out for sure what the problem is. I didn't get into an argument with anyone who was suggesting that it was shingles or anything else that wasn't gallbladder. That's probably because they didn't try to twist around what I said just because *I* didn't agree with *their* assessment.

Why would I care if you give someone advice on diabetes?

Pretty sure I already explained that in my last post. You even quoted it. Reread if you're still unsure.

You also fail at comprehension apparently. I never said that you said that it had to be gall, but you sure are acting that way, aren't you? I have in fact said that it may be gall bladdar related. I simply don't feel any of us here has the tools to make a diagnosis beyond what a text book tells us, which is why I have noted repeatedly that the OP should see his doctor.

Hell no, i'm positive that it could be something other than gallbladder issues. That's why i've said several times over before you ever got involved in this discussion, that he should visit a doctor soon to be sure about what it is. I've also clearly said several times that what i've suggested is my opinion, and I could be wrong. Just because my classes taught me that appendix pain manifests in the lower half of the abdomen (the half where he isn't experiencing pain) and I therefore have disagreed with two of your suggestions, doesn't mean I ONLY think it could be gallbladder.

radamanthys

07-05-2009, 08:41 PM

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021111h.gif

Yea, I was the one who woke up during my endoscopy. *shudder*

ElanthianSiren

07-05-2009, 11:01 PM

If you had actually read what I said (funny, you quoted it yet again but couldn't even read it), I never stated that there was no way it could possibly be gas, which is what your last post clearly implied. I simply said that I didn't include it as something I thought it was, because I didn't think it was gas. Again, never said it COULDN'T be gas. That's where you fail.

I never said you maintained it wasn't gallbladder related. And I think everyone, including myself, told him to set a doctor's appointment as soon as possible to find out for sure what the problem is. I didn't get into an argument with anyone who was suggesting that it was shingles or anything else that wasn't gallbladder. That's probably because they didn't try to twist around what I said just because *I* didn't agree with *their* assessment.

I promise you that I read it. If you wanted to leave your interperitation open to other things, in the future, I'd suggest not rallying around a single point so vehemently. Additionally, you could try not reading into what I say, as I didn't imply anything. I flat out told you: "it can't be gas, it doesn't occur with eating!" is about as correct as, "It's got to be gallbladder because it doesn't occur with eating!" It couldn't be that I was noting the ridiculousness of coming to a judgement on the internet without diagnostic testing, which I've disfavored since the beginning.

Speaking of the beginning, your reference to me coming in late: I apologize for not making it to the thread sooner. I didn't think it'd hurt you so much, but I tend to watch PC on a certain schedule.

Actually, I think you should explain why you believe I'd be upset if you gave someone advice about diabetes. Are you saying I'd be upset because you have cursory knowledge of diabetes? I'm not in the least upset. If you're going to emotionally accuse me of things, you should at least be prepared to defend them.

Again, nuuuuuu u. Pretty sure I didn't quote your posts initially to argue and agreed it may be gall related. Perhaps you should have argued with the people about shingles; you'd look less hypocritical in your accusations at the very least.

Gan

07-05-2009, 11:10 PM

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021111h.gif

Yea, I was the one who woke up during my endoscopy. *shudder*

All of my scopes (upper) were done under conscious sedation. Versed has been the usualy drug of choice along with another I cant remember (side effect of versed). Its not a fun procedure, especially when the doc fails to calculate effective dosing and you tear your esophagus from fighting the scope. The doc that did that learned not to wear his tie into the procedure...

Thankfully I have escaped any need for a lower scope.

Geshron

07-06-2009, 12:23 AM

I always picture Diethx as the girl in her avatar.

diethx

07-06-2009, 01:42 AM

I promise you that I read it. If you wanted to leave your interperitation open to other things, in the future, I'd suggest not rallying around a single point so vehemently.

I know. How dare I think that what he's describing sound like one particular issue, and let him know that? Because as we all know, I couldn't possibly say i'd guess it's one thing when there are many possibilities. Silly me. BTW, rallying around one point vehemently because I disagree with two of the (several) suggestions you made? LOL. Come on, now. Why aren't you whining at Paul (who you credit with the idea in the first place!) or Gan who also said they thought it sounded like gallbladder? I mean, they thought it sounded like it, too! Give me a break.

Additionally, you could try not reading into what I say, as I didn't imply anything. I flat out told you: "it can't be gas, it doesn't occur with eating!" is about as correct as, "It's got to be gallbladder because it doesn't occur with eating!" It couldn't be that I was noting the ridiculousness of coming to a judgement on the internet without diagnostic testing, which I've been in favor of since the beginning.

Right, i'm always reading into what you say, instead of you actually saying shit that comes out wrong. So basically, i'm supposed to know somehow that you were putting words in my mouth in regards to the first quote, but not the second quote? I didn't say "it can't be gas, it doesn't occur with eating!" in the first place, so I was supposed to realize you weren't attributing the second bullshit quote to me as well? Ok, i'll try to read your mind in the future.

Again, no one was coming to a definitive diagnosis. All of us were merely telling PK what we THOUGHT it sounded like, since that's what he came here for. Tough shit really if you're upset that I think it sounds like one thing in particular, over 10 different things equally. I'm not afraid to be wrong and i've clearly throughout this thread admitted that I may very well be, just like i'm not afraid to give him my honest opinion on what it SOUNDS LIKE to me. And that's all I told him. Maybe you should quit reading into things as well?

Speaking of the beginning, your reference to me coming in late: I apologize for not making it to the thread sooner. I didn't think it'd hurt you so much, but I tend to watch PC on a certain schedule.

I was plenty happy without you, no harm done at all.

Actually, I think you should explain why you believe I'd be upset if you gave someone advice about diabetes. Are you saying I'd be upset because you have cursory knowledge of diabetes? I'm not in the least upset. If you're going to emotionally accuse me of things, you should at least be prepared to defend them.

I already explained it. I guess i'll repeat myself then. Anyone who might know a little bit about something health-related isn't worth listening to, because you obviously know more. My point was, you clearly stated you ignored my first post. You've put yourself on a pedestal in regards to medical knowledge (and deny this all you want, but i've been close friends with you for over 10 years. Whether or not you see it, you do this), and obviously my suggestion wasn't worthy of a read.

AnticorRifling

07-06-2009, 07:36 AM

Make sure you guys are fighting over this, it's important.

Sean of the Thread

07-06-2009, 09:32 AM

Liver possibly?

diethx

07-06-2009, 12:15 PM

Make sure you guys are fighting over this, it's important.

Yeah I thought about it before I went to sleep last night, and I dunno why it's come to this. Well no, I do. I think i'll clarify and then be totally done with this part of the thread, because it's pretty stupid.

I'm not a doctor. I'm not even a nurse yet. PK didn't come here for a diagnosis, he came here for some opinions and possibly some advice. That's what I did, to the best of my ability. All i've tried to give is my opinion based upon his statement of pain and its description, and some advice (several times) to seek a doctor's appointment asap so he could get a real diagnosis. He didn't come here asking for a laundry list of possibilities, so I gave him my honest opinion and hoped it would be helpful. His issue could be a million things, but that doesn't mean i'm going to try to list them all here. I just tried to explain what I personally thought his problem sounded most like.

I never said I was definitely right nor did I ever say anything else was definitely wrong, because I cannot make a diagnosis. But I can disagree with someone else's opinion without disagreeing with the person themself, or thinking them stupid, wrong, etc, whatever. I'm sorry if ES took my disagreement with a couple (not all!) of her suggestions as a personal dig. I disagree simply because of what i've experienced, and because of what i've been taught in school, mostly the latter. Could I be wrong? Of course! Do I hope i'm wrong? I would love to be wrong if it means PK's issue is something non-invasive, and practically not serious (i'd be delighted to hear it's a case of severe gas, even if I don't believe right now that's what it sounds most likely to be).

I've stated clearly several times throughout the thread that my statements were my opinions and I could definitely be wrong. This isn't a contest. And i'm sorry if she got offended to the point where she felt snide comments were in line. And i'm sorry that this whole stupid fight erupted over what is clearly bullshit. And i'm sorry that i've had to repeat myself over and over in that all i've been doing is giving an opinion and trying to have a discussion about others opinions. But i'm not going to try to clarify, explain, or apologize for my opinion any more!