Haste

[DoctorUnne]

Can rogues get the same benefit as wizards to their haste RT reduction by training in elemental lore - air?

So if I use haste imbeds which normally reduce my RT by 3 seconds, if I had 24 ranks of EL - Air would those imbeds reduce my RT by 4 seconds? And if I fully 1x'ed the skill I could get my RT reduced by 5 seconds?

Or does using it out of an imbed change things?

Obviously this would be a post-cap goal, but would be pretty cool to ambush say a handaxe (normally at least 6 seconds) in 1 second.

[Bhuryn]

I think estlid just posted something about lores and scrolls not that long ago, maybe there was something in there about imbeds.

[Renian]

It's cooler just to use a longbow from the open and have haste inherently work.

[DoctorUnne]

Archers are fairies

[NocturnalRob]

Archers are fairies
Yup

http://www.warofthering.net/photoforum/data/502/2382legolas_coronation.jpg

[Ryvicke]

:rofl:

Archery is broken--take advantage.

[Mikalmas]

Can rogues get the same benefit as wizards to their haste RT reduction by training in elemental lore - air?

So if I use haste imbeds which normally reduce my RT by 3 seconds, if I had 24 ranks of EL - Air would those imbeds reduce my RT by 4 seconds? And if I fully 1x'ed the skill I could get my RT reduced by 5 seconds?

Or does using it out of an imbed change things?

Obviously this would be a post-cap goal, but would be pretty cool to ambush say a handaxe (normally at least 6 seconds) in 1 second.

To attempt to answer the question, my understanding of how lores work on non-native spells is you get half the lore bonus. So, you'd need 48 ranks of Air Lore to reduce your RT by 4 rather than the 24 ranks for a native caster.

[Kitsun]

Well the normal 24 rank requirement is coupled with some number of Major Elemental ranks as well.

[NocturnalRob]

good lord. if you get the same bonus from an imbed, use the formula above. if not, you get half the bonus from air lore.

edit: and if i'm reading this right (which I'm probably not, because I suck at math), if you get the same benefits from an imbed as a self-cast wizard, then you need 100 ranks of air lore to get a 6 sec ambush down to 2 seconds (assuming round down?). That's a fuckton of tps. 1500 mtps


The Haste spell appears to provide a Wizard with a reduction in Roundtime based on the following formula (all fractions are rounded down):

* Final RT = (RT - [1 + X + Y]) * (100 - [25 + Z])%

* X = Air Lore Bonus; Increases by +1 at 24 ranks, 100 ranks, and 200 ranks
* Y = Major Elemental Bonus; Increases by +1 at 51 ranks and possibly 100 ranks
* Z = Major Elemental Spells Known / 3

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Haste

[Ryvicke]

I think there was just a big discussion when 203 was updated about this--but it might've been about how AS ranks played into the MjS bonuses when self-cast and how anyone casting off of scrolls didn't get the bonus. Not sure how applicable that is here.

[DoctorUnne]

Interesting.

So if I'm doing my math right, and Mikalmas' point about lore counting at half value for MIU (which sounds familiar) is correct, then there's no way I can take a 6 second RT lower than 3?

With no air lore:
RT = (6 - 1) * 75% = 3.75 = 3 seconds

With 101 ranks of air lore:
RT = (6 - 2) * 75% = 3.00 = 3 seconds

Well that blows.

[NocturnalRob]

congrats. you just saved yourself 1515 mtps.

[DoctorUnne]

congrats. you just saved yourself 1515 mtps.

Well I guess if I'm not ambushing I can take a 5 second RT to 2 with 48 ranks of air lore, where it otherwise would be 3. Only 720 MTPs...

But yeah, it's probably post-cap goal #2,435,228

[Gibreficul]

Archers are fairies

Truer words have never been spoken.