proof cman coup owns

[JaedenZentalinDeron]

You are now in an offensive stance.
>amb mag nec
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing an opaque vultite raiding axe at a minotaur magus!
AS: +446 vs DS: +316 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +56 = +220
... and hit for 47 points of damage!
Fast slash to the minotaur magus's neck exposes his windpipe.
Quick anatomy lesson, anyone?
The minotaur magus is stunned!
Roundtime: 6 sec.
>mstr mag
...wait 1 seconds.
>
mstr mag
You concentrate intently, focusing all your energies.
You explode into a fury of strikes and ripostes, moving with a singular purpose and will!
You swing an opaque vultite raiding axe at a minotaur magus!
AS: +446 vs DS: +354 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +76 = +202
... and hit for 53 points of damage!
Whoosh! Several ribs driven into lungs.
You swing an opaque vultite raiding axe at a minotaur magus!
AS: +446 vs DS: +350 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +94 = +224
... and hit for 43 points of damage!
Left elbow smashed into a thousand pieces.

Your series of strikes and ripostes leaves you winded and out of position.
Roundtime: 6 sec.

>cman coup mag
[Roll result: 209 (open d100: 133) Penalties: 7]
You lunge towards the minotaur magus, intending to finish him off!
You slam your vultite raiding axe into his gut with all your might!
The minotaur magus throws up copious amounts of blood and what appears to be an internal organ!
One last prolonged bovine moan escapes from the minotaur magus as he falls still against the floor.
The opalescent aura fades from around a minotaur magus.
The deep blue glow leaves a minotaur magus.
The brilliant aura fades away from a minotaur magus.
A subtle light fades from a minotaur magus's eyes.
The dim aura fades from around a minotaur magus.

The heady flush of your spectacular kill makes you feel invigorated!
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>loot mag
...wait 4 seconds.





>
A minotaur magus begins rumbling while making mystic gestures through the air.
>hid
Roundtime: 2 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>l
[Labyrinth, The Unending Path]
A pair of torches rests at the end of the hallway, casting a dancing light across the arched doorway that leads onward. You also see a minotaur magus.
Obvious exits: north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest
>stance off
...wait 1 seconds.
>
stance off
You are now in an offensive stance.
>amb mag nec
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing an opaque vultite raiding axe at a minotaur magus!
AS: +472 vs DS: +315 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +93 = +284
... and hit for 75 points of damage!
Vertebrae in neck disintegrate from impact!
Neck sinks into shoulders.
One last prolonged bovine moan escapes from the minotaur magus as she falls still against the floor.
The opalescent aura fades from around a minotaur magus.
The deep blue glow leaves a minotaur magus.
The brilliant aura fades away from a minotaur magus.
A subtle light fades from a minotaur magus's eyes.
The dim aura fades from around a minotaur magus.
The light blue glow leaves a minotaur magus.
The powerful look leaves a minotaur magus.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
>loot mag
...wait 1 seconds.
>
loot mag
You search the minotaur magus.
You discard the magus's useless equipment.
She didn't carry any silver.
She had nothing else of value.
A sudden blue fire bursts over the hair of a minotaur magus, consuming her form in the space of a breath.
>hid
Roundtime: 2 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>l
[Labyrinth, The Unending Path]
A pair of torches rests at the end of the hallway, casting a dancing light across the arched doorway that leads onward.
Obvious exits: north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing an opaque vultite raiding axe at a minotaur warrior!
AS: +472 vs DS: +280 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +79 = +303
... and hit for 75 points of damage!
Deep slash to the minotaur warrior's neck severs an artery!
The minotaur warrior chokes to death on his own blood.
With a surprised grunt, the minotaur warrior twitches one final time before falling still upon the floor.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
>loot warr
...wait 1 seconds.
>
loot warr
You search the minotaur warrior.
You discard the warrior's useless equipment.
He had 156 silvers on him.
You gather the remaining 156 coins.
He had an uncut emerald on him!
He had nothing else of value.
The thick skin of a minotaur warrior falls in upon itself as his enormous form decays into a fine dust.
>wear shi
You sling a Mularos crested tower shield over your shoulder.
>get em
You pick up an uncut emerald.
>put em in clo
You put an uncut emerald in your spidersilk cloak.
>rem shi
>
You sling a Mularos crested tower shield off from over your shoulder.
>wink
e
stance off
You are now in an offensive stance.
>amb mag r arm
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing an opaque vultite raiding axe at a minotaur magus!
AS: +472 vs DS: +308 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +85 = +283
... and hit for 64 points of damage!
Weapon arm mangled horribly.
The minotaur magus is stunned!
Roundtime: 6 sec.
>
Your body relaxes as your thoughts stray from the shadows.
>

You hear the faint thoughts of Lanthilas echo in your mind:
[Merchant]: "Looking to buy a crystal wand or two, think to me."
>mstr magus
You concentrate intently, focusing all your energies.
You explode into a fury of strikes and ripostes, moving with a singular purpose and will!
You swing an opaque vultite raiding axe at a minotaur magus!
AS: +472 vs DS: +368 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +99 = +237
... and hit for 52 points of damage!
Blow to chest causes the minotaur magus's heart to skip a beat.
You swing an opaque vultite raiding axe at a minotaur magus!
AS: +472 vs DS: +368 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +71 = +209
... and hit for 44 points of damage!
Slash along the minotaur magus's lower back.

Your series of strikes and ripostes leaves you winded and out of position.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
>
A minotaur magus stands there, dazed and confused.
>

You hear the faint thoughts of Eaobane echo in your mind:
[Merchant]: "Selling a pair of black twill pants, small pocket, MB 100k show is as follows."
>cman coup magus
[Roll result: 121 (open d100: 47) Penalties: 7]
You lunge towards the minotaur magus, intending to finish him off!
You slam your vultite raiding axe into the side of his chest with all your might!
Rib bones are now visible. Bits and pieces of lung are too!
One last prolonged bovine moan escapes from the minotaur magus as he falls still against the floor.
The opalescent aura fades from around a minotaur magus.
The deep blue glow leaves a minotaur magus.
The brilliant aura fades away from a minotaur magus.
A subtle light fades from a minotaur magus's eyes.
The dim aura fades from around a minotaur magus.
The light blue glow leaves a minotaur magus.
The powerful look leaves a minotaur magus.

The heady flush of your spectacular kill makes you feel invigorated!
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>l
[Labyrinth, The Unending Path]
...wait 1 seconds.
>stance off
You are now in an offensive stance.
>amb mag nec
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing an opaque vultite raiding axe at a minotaur magus!
AS: +488 vs DS: +341 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +49 = +230
... and hit for 55 points of damage!
You hear several snaps as the minotaur magus's neck is broken in several places.
One last prolonged bovine moan escapes from the minotaur magus as she falls still against the floor.
The opalescent aura fades from around a minotaur magus.
The deep blue glow leaves a minotaur magus.
The brilliant aura fades away from a minotaur magus.
A subtle light fades from a minotaur magus's eyes.
The dim aura fades from around a minotaur magus.
The light blue glow leaves a minotaur magus.
The powerful look leaves a minotaur magus.
A minotaur magus appears less confident.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
>

You hear the faint thoughts of Eaobane echo in your mind:
[Merchant]: "Selling a rune-stamped black leather satchel, medium amount, belt worn...MB 25k."
>loot magus
...wait 1 seconds.
>
loot magus
Elaborate architecture melds with the cold, stone walls of earth as the tunnel continues along its path. A large mosaic has southwest, west, northwest
>
A minotaur magus begins rumbling while making mystic gestures through the air.
>hid
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>amb mag neck
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing an opaque vultite raiding axe at a minotaur magus!
AS: +488 vs DS: +286 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +23 = +259
... and hit for 58 points of damage!
Neck broken.
The minotaur magus twitches several times before dying.
One last prolonged bovine moan escapes from the minotaur magus as she falls still against the floor.
The opalescent aura fades from around a minotaur magus.
The deep blue glow leaves a minotaur magus.
The brilliant aura fades away from a minotaur magus.
A subtle light fades from a minotaur magus's eyes.
The dim aura fades from around a minotaur magus.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
>loot mag
...wait 1 seconds.
>
loot mag
You search the minotaur magus.
You discard the magus's useless equipment.
She had 38 silvers on her.
You gather the remaining 38 coins.
She had a golden beryl gem on her!
She had nothing else of value.
A sudden blue fire bursts over the hair of a minotaur magus, consuming her form in the space of a breath.
>hid
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>l
[Labyrinth, The Unending Path]
A series of large chutes snakes back and forth above, swiveling and swerving in and out of the shadows. Small motes and specks of dirt and dust dance slowly downward, visible in the streams of daylight that break in through the holes in the ceiling above. You also see a golden beryl gem.
Maximum Stamina Points: 113
Remaining Stamina Points: 49

>sneak e
[Labyrinth, The Unending Path]
The dark path continues on with little change and no sign of ending. You also see a minotaur magus.
Obvious exits: north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>amb mag nec
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing an opaque vultite raiding axe at a minotaur magus!
AS: +488 vs DS: +313 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +33 = +242
... and hit for 68 points of damage!
Shot to neck sends the minotaur magus into shock which leads very quickly to death.
One last prolonged bovine moan escapes from the minotaur magus as he falls still against the floor.
The opalescent aura fades from around a minotaur magus.
The deep blue glow leaves a minotaur magus.
The brilliant aura fades away from a minotaur magus.
A subtle light fades from a minotaur magus's eyes.
The dim aura fades from around a minotaur magus.
The light blue glow leaves a minotaur magus.
The powerful look leaves a minotaur magus.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
>
The heady flush from witnessing that spectacular kill fades away.
>sea mag
You search the minotaur magus.
You discard the magus's useless equipment.
He didn't carry any silver.
Interesting, he carried a twisted wand on him.
He had nothing else of value.
A sudden blue fire bursts over the hair of a minotaur magus, consuming his form in the space of a breath.
>hid
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>ex
Level: 74 Deeds: 3
Experience: 4835490 Death's Sting: None
Exp. until next: 74510 Recent Deaths: 3
Mental TPs: 32 Fame: 19124491
Physical TPs: 0 Mana: 4/8 max
(1418 Mnt converted to Phy)

Your mind can't take much more of this! You must rest!
>

You hear the faint thoughts of Eaobane echo in your mind:
[Merchant]: "Selling a black rolaren mesh sack, medium amount, belt worn, self closes...MB 50k."
>wear shi
...wait 1 seconds.

[Danical]

wtf?

The two coups stacked for a total boost of 42?

[Gibreficul]

You are now in an offensive stance.
>amb mag nec
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing an opaque vultite raiding axe at a minotaur magus!
AS: +446 vs DS: +316 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +56 = +220
... and hit for 47 points of damage!
Fast slash to the minotaur magus's neck exposes his windpipe.
Quick anatomy lesson, anyone?
The minotaur magus is stunned!
Roundtime: 6 sec.

If you didn't miss on your ambush, you wouldn't need to finish with Coup.

Gibreficul

[waywardgs]

LOL @ wearing your shield to pick shit up. Noob. But yeah, coup is nice.

[Swami71]

wtf?

The two coups stacked for a total boost of 42?

WTF Danical?

[Danical]

WTF Danical?

Changing it up a bit!

[Swami71]

Changing it up a bit!

I'll always see you as a vulvamancing cock eater no matter what you do. :yes:

[JaedenZentalinDeron]

lets not allow this thread to fall into a bunch of geeks sayin dirty stuff to each other

anyone else got logs of their use of cman coup?

[Swami71]

lets not allow this thread to fall into a bunch of geeks sayin dirty stuff to each other

anyone else got logs of their use of cman coup?

I'm a truehand man myself. +60 AS beats your +42 AS.

[Lucos]

Real rogues use a dagger. 4 sec RT stomps the shit out of that 6 sec RT nonsense.

[DaCapn]

lets not allow this thread to fall into a bunch of geeks sayin dirty stuff to each other

anyone else got logs of their use of cman coup?

If you make a third coup thread, people will be all over it. Shit will reach critical mass if you push just a little harder, I'm sure of it.

[Gibreficul]

If you make a third coup thread, people will be all over it. Shit will reach critical mass if you push just a little harder, I'm sure of it.

Actually, a "check out what I did with this CMAN" thread may be fun. Such as... when I decide to disarm a runestaff from a dissembler just to pick it up and hurl it at its face.... or using a timely cutthroat, or hamstring, or.. even some nifty clips of sweep doing some damage with flaring/spiked armor. Whatever... All I know is that if I've downed a critter to 50% HP or less and it isn't dead, I failed.


Gibreficul

[Gan]

lets not allow this thread to fall into a bunch of geeks stroking their e-peen about how bad their text based character is in an online game, or how much of a stud player they are...

Fixed that for you.

[Danical]

Just curious, do CMANs like Hamstring and Coup that incorporate WSpec into it double the effect of WSpec?

That is to say, if you're using two weapons of the same type that you're WSPec'd at rank 5 for, will you then get +20 to the CML roll or only +10?

[Bhuryn]

Just curious, do CMANs like Hamstring and Coup that incorporate WSpec into it double the effect of WSpec?

That is to say, if you're using two weapons of the same type that you're WSPec'd at rank 5 for, will you then get +20 to the CML roll or only +10?

I think as a general rule if you have WSPEC <weapontype> and use one in both hands it applies to both hands.

[DoctorUnne]

wtf?

The two coups stacked for a total boost of 42?

No, they don't stack. And it's capped at +40. Not to mention his first coup (+26) was better than his second coup, so the second coup would have just kept the +26. He must have done something else edited out of the log to increase his AS, like putting signs back up.

And I'm guessing since the difference is +16 he put up surge.

[LMingrone]

lets not allow this thread to fall into a bunch of geeks sayin dirty stuff to each other

anyone else got logs of their use of cman coup?

How 'bout you post in the other thread that was just posted a couple days ago? Or keep being a fool and posting a bunch of stuff no one cares about.

HAI GUYS! IVE BEEN PLAYING SINCE 1992!!!!

[Maerit]

I'm a truehand man myself. +60 AS beats your +42 AS.

Unless, you're an ambusher, like the OP, since truehand doesn't work with ambush from open or from hiding.

[Bhuryn]

I dropped it on my rogue cause I never used it =P. I would train it on my paladin if I could since TH sucks with one handed weapons.

[Swami71]

Truehand is betta.

>cman truehand
You swing a black serrated steel longsword at a triton magus!
AS: +598 vs DS: +445 with AvD: +39 + 60 + d40 roll: +16 = +268
... and hit for 66 points of damage!
Beautiful shot pierces skull! Amazing the triton magus wasn't killed outright!
The triton magus is stunned!
You swing a razor-sharp silver longsword at a triton magus!
AS: +593 vs DS: +416 with AvD: +39 + 60 + d40 roll: +5 = +281
... and hit for 90 points of damage!
Strike to abdomen skewers the triton magus quite nicely!
The triton magus collapses to the floor with a splash, gurgling once with a wrathful look on her face before expiring.
The bright luminescence fades from around a triton magus.
A triton magus seems to lose an aura of confidence.
A triton magus is no longer moving so silently.
A triton magus appears less powerful.
The air about a triton magus stops shimmering.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around a triton magus.
A triton magus returns to normal color.
The silvery luminescence fades from around a triton magus.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

>tar mag
>cman truehand
You are now targeting a triton magus.
J>
You swing a black serrated steel longsword at a triton magus!
AS: +582 vs DS: +418 with AvD: +39 + 60 + d40 roll: +37 = +300
... and hit for 90 points of damage!
Awesome shot shatters spine and punctures lung!
The triton magus is knocked to the ground!
The triton magus is stunned!
You swing a razor-sharp silver longsword at a triton magus!
AS: +581 vs DS: +364 with AvD: +39 + 60 + d40 roll: +13 = +329
... and hit for 93 points of damage!
Strike through both ears, foe is quite dead!
The triton magus gurgles once and goes still, a wrathful look on her face.
The bright luminescence fades from around a triton magus.
A triton magus seems to lose an aura of confidence.
A triton magus is no longer moving so silently.
A triton magus appears less powerful.
The silvery luminescence fades from around a triton magus.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around a triton magus.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

[Donquix]

60 endroll != 60 AS

Also...here is irrefutable proof that coup is superior...


R>cman coup
[Roll result: 271 (open d100: 78) Bonus: 10]
You lunge towards the rolton, intending to finish him off!
You drive your hands deep into the rolton's abdomen, grabbing the spine and pulling it forward! A loud *CRUNCH* later, the rolton seems a little bit shorter and a whole lot deader.
The rolton lets out a final agonized bleat and dies.

[Swami71]

Unless, you're an ambusher, like the OP, since truehand doesn't work with ambush from open or from hiding.

My rogue has no hiding. Straight open hunter trained like a TWC Warrior pretty much. MAing and hiding/ambushing sucks. I am thinking of getting Coup to stack with Truehand.

[Danical]

Yeah, TH doesn't mean you're netting AS but rather insuring AS.

[Swami71]

Yeah, TH doesn't mean you're netting AS but rather insuring AS.

Your math and logic confuse me.

[Swami71]

AS: +581 vs DS: +364 with AvD: +39 + 60 + d40 roll: +13 = +329

How is that 60 in there not the same as AS or AvD?

EDIT: is my droll not out of 100 still?

[Danical]

AS: +581 vs DS: +364 with AvD: +39 + 60 + d40 roll: +13 = +329

How is that 60 in there not the same as AS or AvD?

EDIT: is my droll not out of 100 still?

It's out of d40 instead of d100

[Swami71]

It's out of d40 instead of d100

Duh. I still like it. So it means your guaranteed +60 roll essentially.

[Danical]

It means you get 61+ on your roll no matter what.

Also, a really big part of the ability reduces the chances for the target to E/B/P the attack by 10% per rank.

[Dintarl]

Much love for the coup de grace with my twc rogue. Not many trains on the guy yet, or I'd be hitting heads or eyes instead of legs and probably won't get much out of it unless I'm grouped, but it is still pretty damn brutal gaining 25-40 AS to both shots for now.


H>ambush orc left leg
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a vultite dagger at a greater burrow orc!
AS: +191 vs DS: +53 with AvD: +20 + d100 roll: +1 = +159
... and hit for 39 points of damage!
Blow shatters knee and severs lower leg!
A greater burrow orc moans and drops to the ground grasping his mangled left leg!
The burrow orc is stunned!
You swing a vultite dagger at a greater burrow orc!
AS: +177 vs DS: -3 with AvD: +20 + d100 roll: +94 = +294
... and hit for 57 points of damage!
Strike to wrist severs right hand!
The orc screams and grasps at his mangled right claw as his short sword falls to the ground.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
A greater burrow orc rumbles in, a throaty grunt preceding her arrival.
R>cman coup
You are beginning to feel a little fatigued.
[Roll result: 277 (open d100: 183) Bonus: 11]
You lunge towards the burrow orc, intending to finish him off!
You make a powerful double thrust with your weapons at his throat!
Throat penetrated all the way to the spine as blood sprays all over the place! What a mess.
[You have earned 35 recognition points.]
A greater burrow orc growls one last time and dies.

The heady flush of your spectacular kill makes you feel invigorated!
A nearby burrow orc looks a little bit more wary after that display!
Roundtime: 8 sec.
R>
You begin to lose touch with your internal sources of strength.
R>hide
A greater burrow orc swings a short sword at you!
AS: +88 vs DS: +122 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +75 = +74
A clean miss.
>
Your injuries hinder your attempt to hide.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
HR>ambush
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a vultite dagger at a greater burrow orc!
AS: +221 vs DS: +53 with AvD: +20 + d100 roll: +57 = +245
... and hit for 74 points of damage!
Powerful slash leaves the burrow orc without a left leg!
A greater burrow orc moans and drops to the ground grasping her mangled left leg!
The burrow orc is stunned!
You swing a vultite dagger at a greater burrow orc!
AS: +217 vs DS: -5 with AvD: +20 + d100 roll: +31 = +273
... and hit for 60 points of damage!
Strike to left arm shatters elbow and severs forearm!
The orc screams and grasps at her mangled left arm as her wooden shield falls to the ground.
[You have earned 35 recognition points.]
A greater burrow orc growls one last time and dies.
Roundtime: 4 sec.

[Gibreficul]

If you didn't miss on your ambush, you wouldn't need to finish with Coup.

Gibreficul

:yeahthat:


To me, as a rogue, to a rogue, coup looks like a crutch more than a superior maneuver of doom. It requires a failure on your part to even warrant its use.

Ambush > coup

[Danical]

To me, as a rogue, to a rogue, coup looks like a crutch more than a superior maneuver of doom. It requires a failure on your part to even warrant its use.

Agreed. Coup seems far more warrior-oriented wherein warriors require higher as because they lack the crit weighting and pushdown ambush gives.

[Fallen]

Originally Posted by Gibreficul http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=952607#post952607)
To me, as a rogue, to a rogue, coup looks like a crutch more than a superior maneuver of doom. It requires a failure on your part to even warrant its use.

It also seems to require fighting more than one opponent at a time, which is something an ambushing rogue should never really do.

[JaedenZentalinDeron]

Yeah but look - Deron is an elf with almost maxed dex/agi/str, huge AS, doubled CM and ambush. He has a high ambush success rate (90%)

but the whole issue is,
1 you cannot ambush heads all the time when you're in a group
2 if the ambushes fail coup is a nice thing to do to a stunned critter that just wont die
3 it looks cool
4 hide/rambush X head/r gets boring after the 100000th ambush?!

k?!

[JaedenZentalinDeron]

like trust me i power hunted a cleric and a sorc to ithzir age i think i have played long enough to know what i want.. its not a matter of "what is perfect" for whatever profession.. its a matter of "i'm paying for this game and I will design my character in a way that provides an enjoyable experience for me.."

in 2003 my cleric had maxed stats (before fixskill existed or fixstat) and I was hunting ithzir ambushing in hauberk. I was fully trained for bane when it came out.. etc etc.. so i've done "uber" before now i'm just trying to have fun OK!?!?

[Gibreficul]

like trust me i power hunted a cleric and a sorc to ithzir age i think i have played long enough to know what i want.. its not a matter of "what is perfect" for whatever profession.. its a matter of "i'm paying for this game and I will design my character in a way that provides an enjoyable experience for me.."

in 2003 my cleric had maxed stats (before fixskill existed or fixstat) and I was hunting ithzir ambushing in hauberk. I was fully trained for bane when it came out.. etc etc.. so i've done "uber" before now i'm just trying to have fun OK!?!?

I just had this discussion, on the other side of things in the empath folder... You know, "I do things THIS way" and someone chimed in and said, "NOOOOO you're WROOOOONNNNGGG" and I said "Fuck off, if it's wrong, I'm going to keep doing it wrong because I like it." check it out... it's kinda funny.

:club:

[Donquix]

Stop looking at coup as a means to kill a creature, in and of itself.

Think of it this way: if there was an auctioned item you could use that had the same requirements, you'd be creaming over it. zomg...sacrificial dagger that gives +30 AS!

Is it overkill? Probably. But you can hunt fine to cap with 4x vanilla equipment, so everything beyond that is to a degree. it's not like you go out and coup every single thing you fight. Get your buff and then it's back to business as usual.

Coup is not a combat maneuver, per se. It is a group buff with a combat related prerequisite.

Also...it looks badass.

[LMingrone]

like trust me i power hunted a cleric and a sorc to ithzir age i think i have played long enough to know what i want.. its not a matter of "what is perfect" for whatever profession.. its a matter of "i'm paying for this game and I will design my character in a way that provides an enjoyable experience for me.."

in 2003 my cleric had maxed stats (before fixskill existed or fixstat) and I was hunting ithzir ambushing in hauberk. I was fully trained for bane when it came out.. etc etc.. so i've done "uber" before now i'm just trying to have fun OK!?!?

Who are you even arguing? The last week or two you've done nothing more than try to brag about being around for a while. Get over it. Most people on here have been around just as long. Chill out a little man. You sound like you have some good ideas and good intentions. Just relax a little.

/thinking I got trolled

[Gibreficul]

Who are you even arguing? The last week or two you've done nothing more than try to brag about being around for a while. Get over it. Most people on here have been around just as long. Chill out a little man. You sound like you have some good ideas and good intentions. Just relax a little.

/thinking I got trolled

NEENER NEENER NEENER. I've been around longer than YOU! My game seniority makes me right by default.

Sorry chief, it doesn't work that way.

Coup is still, in my opinion, a STUPID maneuver for a rogue to get. If it's working for you, and you enjoy it, by all means, keep it. There is no wrong answer, despite the assholes' (myself included) opinions here. :troll:


:irule:

[JaedenZentalinDeron]

weeeeeee

[DoctorUnne]

Duh. I still like it. So it means your guaranteed +60 roll essentially.

If you want to think about it in terms of a boost to AS, it's +30. On average a d100 roll will be 50. On average a 60 + d40 roll will be 80. So over the long-term you will see an average boost to your effective AS of 30.

But as vulva said it's better thought of as insurance.

[Tea & Strumpets]

like trust me i power hunted a cleric and a sorc to ithzir age i think i have played long enough to know what i want.. its not a matter of "what is perfect" for whatever profession.. its a matter of "i'm paying for this game and I will design my character in a way that provides an enjoyable experience for me.."

in 2003 my cleric had maxed stats (before fixskill existed or fixstat) and I was hunting ithzir ambushing in hauberk. I was fully trained for bane when it came out.. etc etc.. so i've done "uber" before now i'm just trying to have fun OK!?!?


Weren't you that guy that stole Summir's shield in the Rift, lied about it, and then tried to hide behind the GM's when Edgeleaf kept handing you your ass?

[DoctorUnne]

In my opinion the usefulness of coup really comes down to how often you group hunt. If you only solo hunt, then there aren't many situations where coup is a better strategy than ambushing. Either stuff can be killed with one hit, or it can't, and it also can't be stunned and couped.

But it is a great group bonus, and it has the intangible of being badass going for it. Plus who doesn't like seeing a higher AS? It's more suited for a warrior, but that doesn't mean it's a bad cman for a rogue.