sting -- exp penalty cumulative with no cap?

[Dhuul]

Trying to help someone get rid of their sting. They claimed to have died dozens (or more[!]) of times, decaying without deeds. They don't want to buy any potions...this is what I can tell of the problem in-game:

Constitution (CON): 48 (9) ... 27 (-1)

Death's Sting: Crushing!
Recent Deaths: 5

I know the constitution loss caps at -25. I got it down to -21 but does the exp penalty accumulate forever? It's going to take 85K+ exp just to get rid of the con loss but I want to know if this character has a shot of ever being viable again short of spending a ton on recovery potions.

[waywardgs]

Adjective Amount
None 0
Light 1-500
Moderate 501-1000
Sharp 1001-2000
Harsh 2001-4000
Piercing 4001-Unknown (More than 4750)
Crushing Unknown

Decaying without deeds gives you decreased recovery rates for health, mana, spirit, stamina for 10,000 experience points. The decreased recovery rates stack according to how many recent deaths the character has had within the last 50k exp or 30 days, so say he's had 5 recent no deed decays (5 deaths I believe is the cap), that's 50,000 exp worth of reduced recovery hunting. I'm not entirely clear on whether the exp absorption penalty goes away with time by itself, but if the character dies while still in sting, the sting is extended accordingly. 4k exp absorption inefficiency for a no deed decay, so worst case scenario, 5 consecutive deaths would be 20k exp at reduced absorption- effectively 100k exp. At least, that's how I understand it.

The potions eliminate 250 per from the amount of sting in the table above, so 21 potions for the constitution and anywhere from 20-80 for the sting itself.

[Bhuryn]

I would just suck it up and buy the potions, you're wasting so much of your time messing around with all that experience loss.

[Lumi]

I would just suck it up and buy the potions, you're wasting so much of your time messing around with all that experience loss.

As long as the char in question can improve his/her tactics and not go on a massive dying spree again, I'd recommend this.

However, when my polepath was doing GoS, I died MANY, MANY times (fucking archers! SO MANY ARCHERS!), and I spent an uncomfortable period of time with Crushing! sting levels. I underhunted a bit outside camps to get past it, and I found that during a XXX period, I actually made up a lot of progress.

So yah, as long as they get their head on straight and are willing to do some underhunting, I'd say they can be back on course in a week or two, depending upon the severity of the sting.

[BriarFox]

As long as the char in question can improve his/her tactics and not go on a massive dying spree again, I'd recommend this.

However, when my polepath was doing GoS, I died MANY, MANY times (fucking archers! SO MANY ARCHERS!), and I spent an uncomfortable period of time with Crushing! sting levels. I underhunted a bit outside camps to get past it, and I found that during a XXX period, I actually made up a lot of progress.

So yah, as long as they get their head on straight and are willing to do some underhunting, I'd say they can be back on course in a week or two, depending upon the severity of the sting.

Lumi's point is excellent. During long invasion storylines (and when I was doing GoS - damn it) I don't bother to get rid of my sting. Triple X and an RPA or two, plus a few days of solid hunting without dying, tend to get rid of sting pretty well.

[Ryvicke]

Master fletching by ONLY fletching off your sting (it works)!

Also--hunting with death's sting can be a nice little challenge depending on your profession/build. Fun times!

[Allereli]

Thump [person]

say :earnest ::[person] Don't be such a cheap bastard

he'll thank you later

[droit]

Seriously. Just buy the potions.

[Allereli]

(neg) sting -- exp penalty... 05-15-2009 01:08 PM how is that even fair?

how is what fair? suck it up, spend the silvers, and go back on your merry way. if he's a good friend, just buy him the potions. or if you want to go the long way, solve the puzzle and make them.

[Morrff]

Don't die, if dead find a good cleric with good stones, if the previous two fail...buy potions and move to a town with a decent cleric in it.

[Hecates]

im having the same problems with GoS right now :) my con was down the max, ive been on a dying spree...... a budy of mine dumped the coins on me and the potions made a huge diff.

stupid clerics in the landing with crapy or no chrism, once i get two more ranks im outa this town again!

buy the potions!

[waywardgs]

Lumi's point is excellent. During long invasion storylines (and when I was doing GoS - damn it) I don't bother to get rid of my sting. Triple X and an RPA or two, plus a few days of solid hunting without dying, tend to get rid of sting pretty well.

But think about what you *could* be getting with all of that in effect.. You end up barely breaking with normal absorption. I can't tolerate sting, especially during xxx. Potions are pricey but worth it IMO.

[droit]

The part I hate most about death's sting isn't actually the exp penalty, it's the mana/spirit/health regen penalties. It can really make hunting more difficult.

[Winter's Kiss]

But think about what you *could* be getting with all of that in effect.. You end up barely breaking with normal absorption. I can't tolerate sting, especially during xxx. Potions are pricey but worth it IMO.

Stop dying so much and you wouldn't have to worry about it! :love:

[waywardgs]

Stop dying so much and you wouldn't have to worry about it! :love:


grrr!

If you aren't dying, you aren't trying, I say.

Recent deaths: 5

Nevermind, don't listen to me. :)

[Winter's Kiss]

grrr!

If you aren't dying, you aren't trying, I say.

Recent deaths: 5

Nevermind, don't listen to me. :)



If you aren't dying, you know how to hunt! :D

I think the only time I've died (when I hunted) was from invasions in the Landing.

[Dhuul]

sting -- exp penalty... 05-15-2009 04:41 PM aww, who gave you green rep? be a friend and buy the potions

i probably will...but this person refuses to buy deeds.
500k in recovery potions down the drain most likely. if it happened before it could happen again.

[Allereli]

i probably will...but this person refuses to buy deeds.
500k in recovery potions down the drain most likely. if it happened before it could happen again.

The dude is helpless. One of those hardcore "I have to make it as challenging as possible" people, then the character is fucked, and he wants there to be some quick remedy that doesn't involve silvers. Don't buy deeds, just throw magic trash in the hearthstone machine.

[droit]

Re: just buy the potions
(grey rep) sting -- exp penalty... 05-16-2009 08:35 AM everyone is aware of that option

Yes, and it is the best one. If you don't want to take our advice, then don't fucking ask for it.

[Dhuul]

this is what I wrote, and what i was asking for:

but I want to know if this character has a shot of ever being viable again >>>short of spending a ton on recovery potions.<<<

if you're going to respond to a post, fucking read it :)

[Allereli]

this is what I wrote, and what i was asking for:

but I want to know if this character has a shot of ever being viable again >>>short of spending a ton on recovery potions.<<<

if you're going to respond to a post, fucking read it :)

well what do you consider a ton? 500k is not a ton

[droit]

In short: no, he fucking won't, so buy the fucking potions. :)

[Dhuul]

It wouldn't be my money...it's his character. 500k is substantial for this person.

[droit]

but I want to know if this character has a shot of ever being viable again

Doesn't sound like the character was ever viable to begin with.

If his CON is that low, I'm guessing he's low level. Potion costs scale to level, so it might not be as expensive as he thinks. At cap, the 21 potions he'd need to get rid of the CON penalty would cost 330k, plus probably another 10 potions and 150k for the sting itself. At lower levels, it will be much much less.

[Allereli]

It wouldn't be my money...it's his character. 500k is substantial for this person.

ok, you have about 10 suggestions here. the easiest solution is buy the potions, or make them. maybe the best thing would be to teach your friend how to play

[Dhuul]

ok an update.....He's not buying the potions, despite me trying to convince him. He keeps dying without deeds (he already lost the one I got for him)

So go ahead and keep flaming me for trying to help someone.
I think this thread need about 5-10 more posts of "Buy the potions!"

[Lumi]

ok an update.....He's not buying the potions, despite me trying to convince him. He keeps dying without deeds (he already lost the one I got for him)

So go ahead and keep flaming me for trying to help someone.
I think this thread need about 5-10 more posts of "Buy the potions!"

Not really. At this point, I don't think that's the best solution anymore. The best solution is for this guy to learn how to play Gemstone properly or find another game.

[Khariz]

Buy the potions.

[Allereli]

So go ahead and keep flaming me for trying to help someone.
I think this thread need about 5-10 more posts of "Buy the potions!"

we tried to help, not just flame, but your stubborn friend insisted on being retarded

[Tolwynn]

The character can be viable again, but it's going to take a lot of unnecessarily wasted time and effort, given that they're insisting on hobbing themselves.

If they can't hunt at this point, fletch until they can hunt.

At that point, underhunt to get some coin and gems.

Use some of those coins and gems to buy deeds.

If they still refuse to buy deeds, then stick to the fletching/underhunting loop, with emphasis on the underhunting so that they don't risk dying anymore, since they refuse to consider reasonable precautions or responses for it.

[Winter's Kiss]

Or just let them go off on their own because of their stupid pig-headed attitude. Every single one of these suggestions is a viable solution to his problem, if he continues to get himself killed with no deeds, I'd say it's no longer your issue as a friend since he refuses to listen to you. :shrug:

[waywardgs]

this thread officially sucks now.

And it sounds like your buddy doesn't give a shit either way, so..