skinning

[waywardgs]

Thinking of dropping my remaining MOC ranks to pick up 55 ranks of first aid for skinning... at 63, how will 55 ranks treat me? Will this be worth it? How many ranks would I need to be an effective skinner?

[joehollywood]

need...moar...info...

what do you hunt, what race, what profession...

dex bonus?

perception ranks?

favorite color?

[waywardgs]

rogue, max dex (30 bonus), hunt everything except undead, 82 ranks of perception, elf.

I don't like ONE color! I like AAALLL the colors!!

[Winter's Kiss]

Also.. You need to take into account that FA *AND* survival is needed for some things to skin. Various creatures require a different amount of skill in one than the other to get them. Best just to stick with what you have since you won't be getting much without going 1x in each or .5x in both.. But that's just my opinion as a ranger, ya know? (course.. being 1x in both is fucking rockin with 604 :D)

Edit: Also.. Ondreian clone!!! OooOO! j/k

[waywardgs]

"Also.. You need to take into account that FA *AND* survival is needed for some things to skin. Various creatures require a different amount of skill in one than the other to get them."

This I did not know, I just figured you got the same bonus from each regardless. How do you know which creatures require what?

[Winter's Kiss]

You don't. But what little I've done with testing over the years. I've yielded the best results having both over having just Survival or just First Aid.

[yesicj]

I didn't notice much of a difference in having one over the other with my mage. Before eventually dropping them entirely, I would 1x in each because it was more TP efficient than going 2x in either.

[waywardgs]

Edit: Also.. Ondreian clone!!! OooOO! j/k

heh... well, it's a good build. But now I'm thinking of dropping TWC entirely, picking up ranged, keeping OHE, and i'd have enough to .5x shield if I felt like it. That way I could still use all my nice blades if I wanted. I wonder how that would go over. Thing is, I have a fixskill from last year, and with the one coming up, I thought I'd give something new a try.

[Bhuryn]

It's really only worth it if you can get at or very near 1x FA and 1x survival or 2x of one of them. I didn't know some played differently on skinning certain things. I hadn't noticed that on my empath (who is 2x FA) but I admit I put alot less into it then most rangers so i'll default to them.

[Izzy]

Also.. You need to take into account that FA *AND* survival is needed for some things to skin. Various creatures require a different amount of skill in one than the other to get them. Best just to stick with what you have since you won't be getting much without going 1x in each or .5x in both.. But that's just my opinion as a ranger, ya know? (course.. being 1x in both is fucking rockin with 604 :D)

Edit: Also.. Ondreian clone!!! OooOO! j/k

I'm 99% certain that it's been documented that FA and survival count with equal weight towards skinning. 2x FA == 2x survival == 1x each == 1.25x FA + .75x surivival..etc. That said, 1x between the two and 604 has done fine for me, but I'm not an avid skinner.

[Donquix]

I'm 99% certain that it's been documented that FA and survival count with equal weight towards skinning. 2x FA == 2x survival == 1x each == 1.25x FA + .75x surivival..etc. That said, 1x between the two and 604 has done fine for me, but I'm not an avid skinner.

is it ranks or bonus that helps? If it's bonus then 1xing each would yield better results until they are both 40+

I seem to recall it just being ranks too, though.

[DoctorUnne]

My rogue is 1x in FA and survival and I can skin in Pinefar pretty well. I'm a good skinner but not an amazing skinner. I know Pinefar has some tough skins (like seekers) but I think there are certainly tougher ones out there.

Based on my own experience I would advise either 1x in both or don't bother with it at all. I don't know if 1x in one of them or 0.5x in both will give you the results you're looking for, unless you're okay with a 50% success rate. Mine is probably about 80% for seekers.

Also keep in mind that you're going to be skinning with injuries frequently and that hinders your success rate.

[Maerit]

I've been skinning out in Pinefar and now in Teras. Skinning seems to bring me more coin than anything else I've done thus far, as I'll routinely turn in 10k in skins from one quick hunting truck (thrak swarms are great for skinning). Especially since what I hunt at this range drops fewer boxes and tend to be more animals (or just have gem drops).

Character is a warrior, 1x in survival and 1x in FA. I also notice that Kiramon Defenders, for example, or Siren Lizards have a spell cast when you skin them that requires warding. It's not the same thing as your regular spell warding rolls, so I believe this is based off your skills in the appropriate skinning feats. I would also not be surprised if they were tied directly to survival over first aid, but I've never tested either way.

[Winter's Kiss]

I'm 99% certain that it's been documented that FA and survival count with equal weight towards skinning. 2x FA == 2x survival == 1x each == 1.25x FA + .75x surivival..etc. That said, 1x between the two and 604 has done fine for me, but I'm not an avid skinner.


With all the years I've been a ranger (7 to be exact) and all the time I've spent changing her until last year.. I have to point to Iz's post because he is correct. I am an avid skinner, I generally NEVER hunt something I can't skin because it's a main source of coin for me. Personally, I absolutely love being 1x in both, it gives me something else to default on when the creatures don't drop anything.

So! All-in-all.. If you can do both, do, if not, I honestly don't think it's worth-while since some of the creatures you come across at your age will more than likely need both. As for trying new things, get on with your bad self! :D Just quit dying all the damn time. :love:

- L

[Winter's Kiss]

I also notice that Kiramon Defenders, for example, or Siren Lizards have a spell cast when you skin them that requires warding. It's not the same thing as your regular spell warding rolls, so I believe this is based off your skills in the appropriate skinning feats. I would also not be surprised if they were tied directly to survival over first aid, but I've never tested either way.

I'm pretty sure you're right, but I also keep poison resist on for when I go skin lizards for people. (just in case)

[Maerit]

So! All-in-all.. If you can do both, do, if not, I honestly don't think it's worth-while since some of the creatures you come across at your age will more than likely need both. As for trying new things, get on with your bad self! Just quit dying all the damn time.

The only thing I'd add is if you want to skin decently, and have to choose survival or FA, go survival. It effects more than just your ability to skin. For example, my sorc up in Pinefar gets bleeders in about 10 minutes from the cold. My warrior never even sees the cold messaging ever. I've maybe been hit by the cold on my warrior 1x in Survival twice in the hours I've hunted in pinefar. It also greatly helps with all environmental issues like swamp movement, falling on your trip through the glaciers, and avoiding clouds and swarms from other critters. It's a greater investment than FA (and I believe a touch more costly TP wise).

[thefarmer]

Character is a warrior, 1x in survival and 1x in FA. I also notice that Kiramon Defenders, for example, or Siren Lizards have a spell cast when you skin them that requires warding. It's not the same thing as your regular spell warding rolls, so I believe this is based off your skills in the appropriate skinning feats. I would also not be surprised if they were tied directly to survival over first aid, but I've never tested either way.

Unless Teras kiramon are different than Darkstone ones (and I've never been to them), there's no warding check when you skin them.

[Winter's Kiss]

Unless Teras kiramon are different than Darkstone ones (and I've never been to them), there's no warding check when you skin them.

When you skin the defenders, they have a chance to poison you as you pull out their tongues. Been that way for a while. Had that issue on Teras quite a few times until I started using Poison Resistance.

[Maerit]

Unless Teras kiramon are different than Darkstone ones (and I've never been to them), there's no warding check when you skin them.

XXX works to relieve the dead kiramon defender of its tongue, some toxic venom spatters onto him!
CS: +129 - TD: +126 + CvA: +14 + d100: +91 - +10 == +98
Warded off!
XXX failed to skin a kiramon defender properly. The kiramon tongue is ruined.

With 61 ranks of Survival:

You skinned the kiramon defender, yielding a kiramon tongue.

This is hunting with two different characters. One is a warrior with 1x survival and sigil of resolve (+10 survival) from sunfist vs a sorcerer with no survival and no sunfist. My warrior still has to ward that poison often, but not 100% of the time. Its more like 50% of the time.

Skinning a Siren Lizard:

A sticky substance coats your hand as you remove the skin from the siren lizard.
CS: +126 - TD: +112 + CvA: -21 + d100: +61 == +54
You skinned the siren lizard, yielding a multicolored siren lizard skin.

[Maerit]

Also, note here:

As you work to relieve the dead kiramon defender of its tongue, some toxic venom spatters onto you!
CS: +129 - TD: +153 + CvA: -21 + d100: +22 == -23
Warded off!
You skinned the kiramon defender, yielding a kiramon tongue.

This is what my warrior has to ward with the same exact spirit spells, and my TD is higher. I have no idea why the TD of a warrior is higher than the TD of a sorcerer when warding this thing... I can only imagine it has to do with the survival or level gap (warrior is 9 levels higher than sorcerer). It is also a different TD than my spirit or elemental TD (much lower), so not sure which TD this is going against.

[BriarFox]

Also, note here:

As you work to relieve the dead kiramon defender of its tongue, some toxic venom spatters onto you!
CS: +129 - TD: +153 + CvA: -21 + d100: +22 == -23
Warded off!
You skinned the kiramon defender, yielding a kiramon tongue.

This is what my warrior has to ward with the same exact spirit spells, and my TD is higher. I have no idea why the TD of a warrior is higher than the TD of a sorcerer when warding this thing... I can only imagine it has to do with the survival or level gap (warrior is 9 levels higher than sorcerer). It is also a different TD than my spirit or elemental TD (much lower), so not sure which TD this is going against.

TD for this stuff is purely level based most of the time. Notice your sorcerer has a +126, but your warrior has a 153. 9 levels' difference equals 27 TD (3/level), and 153-126=27.

[Maerit]

TD for this stuff is purely level based most of the time. Notice your sorcerer has a +126, but your warrior has a 153. 9 levels' difference equals 27 TD (3/level), and 153-126=27.

Ahh, makes perfect sense. Thanks!

[thefarmer]

XXX works to relieve the dead kiramon defender of its tongue, some toxic venom spatters onto him!
CS: +129 - TD: +126 + CvA: +14 + d100: +91 - +10 == +98
Warded off!
XXX failed to skin a kiramon defender properly. The kiramon tongue is ruined.

With 61 ranks of Survival:

You skinned the kiramon defender, yielding a kiramon tongue.

Never seen it happen in Darkstone and I spent the last year-ish hunting them. Dunno why I never did.

[graysun]

Never seen it happen in Darkstone and I spent the last year-ish hunting them. Dunno why I never did.
How long ago were you hunting darkstone?

The warding thing on defenders is new, within the last couple years.

[Dwarven Empath]

I'm 99% certain that it's been documented that FA and survival count with equal weight towards skinning. 2x FA == 2x survival == 1x each == 1.25x FA + .75x surivival..etc. That said, 1x between the two and 604 has done fine for me, but I'm not an avid skinner.

But.. If you max out both? You would get better skins.