Two-Weapon Combat with a Bastard Sword?

[Maerit]

Would it work, or would it be too slow? Never tried that combat style. Been using my weapon two-hander style. Used to be sword & board. Would be pretty sweet to have a weapon with double strike flares + warrior bonding double strikes along with a second weapon hit, but not sure if a bastard sword would be too slow for two-weapon combat or not. I ambush in 6 seconds with it (one or two handed). Weighs 8 lbs. Any experienced dual-wielders let me know.

[Drew]

I did TWC with a bastard sword and short sword for a while, it works ok depending on your stats.

[Swami71]

With my little TWC experience. I think the worst part would be Mstriking RT.

[Maerit]

Going to bring this back to life since I'm considering this again.

First off, my character is a Giantman. He's got a coraesine weapon fully bonded, so from time to time I get triple strikes with my weapon, and the flares work on mstriking. I was just considering doing dual-wielding with this toon because it might be pretty fun to see all those flares stack up.

My stats suck for cap, but they are awesome for right now since he has max strength, dex, and agility bonuses (53 trains).

The real question is, any of you formula masters able to figure out what kind of RT it would be to dual-wield with a bastard sword in the main hand... and maybe a second bastard sword in the off-hand? Should I stick with a different weapon base for the off-hand if I were to try this out?

Would open mstriking be out of the question? I can imagine I'd be berserking quite often. Can you ambush effectively with two weapons? Besides two weapon combat training, do you need any other auxilliary skills to support that combat style?

[Donquix]

two bastard swords are going to to be serious RT i would expect. Do you have MOC training now? You don't need twc training to check the rt, i think. just grab some weapons and go mstrike things and see what happens :)

Which is what i just did...i have no edged training but i'm fully trained for moc and twc. as a half-elf I can do a 3-hit focused mstrike in 9 seconds, that is with good agidex (-4 seconds) but slightly undertrained for my fullplate (need 2 more ranks to train off it's rt completely)

I'd test more but i'm lagging really bad right now and it's annoying.

[Maerit]

That's really not too bad. 9 seconds for 3 focussed attacks? I use my weapon two-handed wth 45 ranks of MOC, and get 2 focussed attacks for 7 seconds. Fully trained for full plate with max dex/agil bonuses for a Giantman. Being a half-elf might have made that a bit faster too. I have a 10 second RT for a 4 target unfocussed mstrike.

I guess what the next question would be is how well does TWC stand up to the killing power of THW? If I'm using the bastard sword two-handed right now, I can feint, tackle or leg, and then crush the neck - target is dead. Going berserk usually nets me massive amounts of stuns on anything stunnable in the vicinity. I used to be sword/board with the weapon, and it would do fine to leg and stun targets, but usually hacking off something's head would take at least two aimed ambushes vs the one in THW mode... Would be an interesting experiment for sure, but it would kind of suck if I have to plink things to death vs. crit their heads off.

[Stanley Burrell]

Bastard.

[Stunseed]

< I guess what the next question would be is how well does TWC stand up to the killing power of THW? >

This.

< Going berserk usually nets me massive amounts of stuns on anything stunnable in the vicinity. >

Everything else is meh.

[Maerit]

Ok, I did the test as mentioned... You can't dual-wield two bastard swords. It doesn't recognize the off-hand weapon, but you can of course dual-wield with a bastard sword in the main hand and a true one-handed weapon in the off-hand. I grabbed a falchion off the ground and my RT went from 5 seconds to 6 seconds open swing, 7 second open ambush, and from 7 - 10 seconds on my mstrike. So, i'd be looking at a 13 second RT for a full open mstrike with a decent base off-hand weapon.

I might still consider changing it up, but I'd have to find me a nice off-hand weapon. Probably would go with a longsword since it's a second faster than a falchion. If I could somehow get my hands on that old coraesine short sword that was out there... then I'd have some wicked fun. Probably vanished a long time ago though... oh well!

[Maerit]

Heh, this is just one open attack where the sword and warrior bonding flared together, not an mstrike...

You swing a massive coraesine sword at a minor glacei!
AS: +373 vs DS: +175 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +39 = +279
... and hit for 112 points of damage!

You feel the coraesine sword respond to your will, and suddenly it flares up with a blazing white-grey aura! Vicious winds curl around you in a spiraling vortex, increasing your momentum as you let loose a lightning-quick strike!

You swing a massive coraesine sword at a minor glacei!
AS: +373 vs DS: +173 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +80 = +322
... and hit for 119 points of damage!

You feel your coraesine sword straining back towards your foe! Taking advantage of this, you manage to effortlessly reverse your momentum and strike again!

You swing a massive coraesine sword at a minor glacei!
AS: +373 vs DS: +165 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +33 = +283
... and hit for 113 points of damage!
The deep blue glow emanating from the minor glacei goes dark suddenly.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around a minor glacei.
Roundtime: 5 sec.


Now, add an off-hand weapon with flares. Very tempting to try out dual-wielding, but unfortunately the training requirements are too high for now. Maybe in the 70s it'd work out...

[Warriorbird]

Pretty large training point expenditure. Could alternately just get more MO for berserking.

[Donquix]

Pretty large training point expenditure. Could alternately just get more MO for berserking.

It's also a pretty awesome training point expenditure.

WTB forging block of pure coraseine :)

[Warriorbird]

Are you that crazy samurai guy from the boards?

:grins:

I doubt blocks of pure coraesine are going out any time soon.

[Donquix]

Are you that crazy samurai guy from the boards?

:grins:

I doubt blocks of pure coraesine are going out any time soon.

Nope, but I did have an erithi ranger samurai up to a whopping level 6.

I do specialize in TMNT weapons, but I was always more of a Raphael and Donatello guy.

That reminds me...i still want one of the translucent quarstaves that are crazy high weighted.

[kookiegod]

Personally, I'd try one of three things...

1) offer Iashara a kidney, your first born, AND an exceptional replacement weapon for his coresine longsword... He won't sell, but doesn't hurt to ask I guess.

2) Get Tsin's, but ugh, you'd get Tsin. Nah, not worth it. :)

3) Go find an exceptional shortsword for the RT, I got a perfect 6x one with flares in my shop (shameless plug!)

~Paul

[Maerit]

Personally, I'd try one of three things...

1) offer Iashara a kidney, your first born, AND an exceptional replacement weapon for his coresine longsword... He won't sell, but doesn't hurt to ask I guess.

2) Get Tsin's, but ugh, you'd get Tsin. Nah, not worth it. :)

3) Go find an exceptional shortsword for the RT, I got a perfect 6x one with flares in my shop (shameless plug!)

~Paul

Heh, I'm sure the price is way different now (if it still even exists), but there used to be an impure 6x coraesine short sword that was hanging around in the market. I think the last time it was sold was about 5-6 years ago, and went for only about 35 mil. I've never heard of or seen it since.

Dred used to have the falchion, but that would be some hefty RT to swing in an off-hand.

What other non-bonded coraesine weapons are out there? The old influence based ones that is.

[Donquix]

Man dual wielding double striking weapons with bonding and loads of moc...that's just hot.

wtb CMAN BOND2