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Farn
04-21-2009, 01:29 PM
In a bit of a jam with the job lately. Tell me if any of this seems shady to you:
(All paraphrased)

Situation one:
Boss: "We'd like you to go train guys in the Philippines office. I'll likely fly you out for a week every now and then - if it's necessary to be out for longer than a week, I'll send your wife and kid with you and set you up somewhere."
Me: "Awesome, sounds like fun."
(Later)
Boss: "You know, my brother Ryan is out there, he's been living there for a few years now. The cost of living is really low, but he still gets paid as much as he did when he was here in the US." (Add in similar little hints by him and his brother)

Wife and I decide, hey, we'll give it a whirl - found a nice 4 room 4 bath place for the equivalent of about 300 US dollars a month. We tell the Boss we'd be willing to try it out over there for a few months, see how it goes. He says great, can we get out there next month? Woah now, that's a little quicker than we had planned. Boss says we really, really need you out there as soon as possible - everything'll be set up and ready, and we need you to train those guys yesterday. Okay, we'll do it.

2 days before we fly out there:
Me: "Hey boss, have you paid for those tickets I quoted to you?"
Boss: "What? I thought you were paying for them."
Me: "Erm ... no. You talked about paying for us to fly out there for work."
Boss: "Oh, well not if you're going to be -living- there. Okay, I'll pay for them all now, but I'll be taking some out of your check for your wife and kid's tickets over the next few months."
(I should have axed the whole thing right here, except we already sold our car, made a downpayment on the house, etc.)

So we rush out there months earlier than we had planned, and paying for tickets we weren't expecting to have to pay. I get there and find out we're working out of one of the guys' homes (infested with cockroaches, no clean water, A/C doesn't work half the time, Internet connection constantly going down and extremely slow, toilet doesn't flush, etc.). They have an office, but they haven't finished construction on it, it turns out. Also, the corporation hasn't been officially set up over there, so no benefits or anything like that. We're all technically being contracted for work. Aside from that, there's nobody there for me to train. Why was I rushed out here again? Why was I told it'd be ready?

2 months go by and we're finally in the (bare, unfurnished) office instead of the extra room of a guy's house, but we're "borrowing" the Internet connection from the Internet Cafe next door, corporation still isn't set up, and still not a single guy to train. On top of all this, my family gets robbed of thousands of dollars' worth of stuff at our home and the police want to be paid off to do anything about it. We decide this isn't going to work out, tell the boss, he says it's my decision but he won't pay for the tickets, and we fly back to the good old United States with some debt to pay off thanks to having to pay for the tickets ourselves.

That sucked.

Situation 2:

Boss: "Hey, the economy sucks, etc. We're changing our insurance."
Me: "Um, okay. What's it going to look like?"
Boss: "You'll have to pay for any dependents."
Me: "That sucks."
Boss: "Yeah."
Me: "When is it going into effect?"
Boss: "Next month."

He starts taking the amount of my check the next pay period (before next month started). I'm now paying 400 a month out of my paycheck for insurance, supposedly. The strange thing is that this has been going on for two months, yet earlier this month I took my little girl to the hospital and we successfully used our old insurance (since we never received cards/paperwork on the "new" insurance we were supposedly moved to). We told him we didn't want to the insurance, we'd just take care of it ourselves for cheaper, but he's been mysteriously unreachable regarding the subject.

I'd clear out, except that the job market is the pits and I can't find a decent replacement. Considering the pay hit, the stress, and the fact that I don't want to work for someone that's screwed me time and again and has bad business practices, I'm starting to be willing to take any old crap job over this one. Ugh.

Oh, and he also moved all our servers out of a professional data center and into ... his garage. Yeah. We're a professional company providing service on our servers that are hosted in someone's garage. With residential Internet services. No backup connections or power. No cooling system other than a few mounted AC units. Client complaints are through the roof due to the crappy connection speed and constant crashes. I'm convinced the company's going down soon anyway.

Jorddyn
04-21-2009, 01:37 PM
The insurance change isn't shocking. They're probably just charging you more for the exact same policy. The amount of the change is a little crazy, but whatever.

And I would have been looking for a job the second my feet were back on American soil after your jaunt to the Phillipines. Yes, it sounds shady, mismanaged, and honestly what are you guys doing? Spamming the world?

Farn
04-21-2009, 01:42 PM
The funny thing about the insurance is that we were told it'd be a different company (HealthNet instead of Blue Shield) and I even filled out some paperwork for it.

I've been looking for a new job since I got back, but I've probably been too picky about what to seriously look into.

As for what we do, it's mainly offsite over-the-phone/remote control IT work and providing server space.

Sean of the Thread
04-21-2009, 01:45 PM
As for what we do, it's mainly offsite over-the-phone/remote control IT work and providing server space.


Do they let you telecommute at least?

Sounds like a perfect thing to do from the comfort of your home office with your junk hanging out.

Allereli
04-21-2009, 01:46 PM
sounds like the Dubai article http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=41846

You got screwed, but you went without researching

Farn
04-21-2009, 01:52 PM
Do they let you telecommute at least?

Sounds like a perfect thing to do from the comfort of your home office with your junk hanging out.

Heh. I'm doing that now (except clothed), but only because we haven't had enough money to buy ourselves a new car (or at least one that we consider worth buying).

Sorry, Boss. I'd work from the office again now that I'm back, but I have no way of getting there. I know - it's terrible. I'll just have to work from home for now.

For a while I thought the working-from-home thing would be worth it, but really, it's not. I can't stand working for someone who's dishonest, and having to tell clients why they should continue to have faith in a service that I would never recommend to anyone if I weren't being paid to do it.

Guarrin
04-21-2009, 01:55 PM
Run. Run as fast as you can. I know it's a bad market right now, but seriously I'd start looking.

I used to work for a privately owned company, hoping to avoid the issues that come along with the working for the big, bad, corporations.

Little did I know, the only difference between the two is that when you get fucked over, it's more personal.

BigWorm
04-21-2009, 01:58 PM
See I haven't noticed the market for IT jobs being all that bad. I don't have that much experience, but I still get contacted by head hunters often.

Farn
04-21-2009, 01:59 PM
You got screwed, but you went without researching

Yeah. I was going with the whole "My boss has been honest for years now, why would he suddenly stop?" and "We're of the same faith and hold the same moral standards, etc." thing.

Consider me now wary and jaded. It took about 28 years to finally have something like this happen to me, though, so I guess I've been pretty lucky.

AnticorRifling
04-21-2009, 02:00 PM
See I haven't noticed the market for IT jobs being all that bad. I don't have that much experience, but I still get contacted by head hunters often.
Depends on the specialization and area. Right now in Indy it's suckage. I've been looking, although not as hard as I can be let's be honest, and still haven't found something I had to have. Of course I'm being pretty picky at the moment.

Farn
04-21-2009, 02:01 PM
I used to work for a privately owned company, hoping to avoid the issues that come along with the working for the big, bad, corporations.

Little did I know, the only difference between the two is that when you get fucked over, it's more personal.

Yep, that's what happened. And to think I used to play Warcraft III and Civ4 with this guy.

Stanley Burrell
04-21-2009, 02:04 PM
Were they wearing a hat with a big brim and maybe some dark glasses and a trenchcoat?

Sorry, Farn, that's all I've got.

Sean
04-21-2009, 02:07 PM
Do you work for ThePonzzz?

Farn
04-21-2009, 02:08 PM
Do you work for ThePonzzz?

Nah, I'm not a fat, sweaty Italian, so he wouldn't accept my application.

Hips
04-21-2009, 02:12 PM
Nah, I'm not a fat, sweaty Italian, so he wouldn't accept my application.

LOL. :heart: you both.

Sean of the Thread
04-21-2009, 02:17 PM
Depends on the specialization and area. Right now in Indy it's suckage. I've been looking, although not as hard as I can be let's be honest, and still haven't found something I had to have. Of course I'm being pretty picky at the moment.

It's suckage here as well and I'm not being picky.

Proxy
04-21-2009, 02:23 PM
I've been looking for a new job since I got back, but I've probably been too picky about what to seriously look into.

Your not being picky, the job market right now really does suck that bad... In the last three months I've driven from Everett, WA back to Phoenix, AZ then to Egg Harbor, NC and back again. I've turned in over 300 resumes, and about that many applications & have at least 3 different "profiles" on about a dozen Job sites. All that and I've yet to land a workable $15-$20/hr 40+ hrs week job. plenty of part time sh't jobs to be had, but try to find one with benefits and decent pay is a rare thing any more.

g++
04-21-2009, 02:30 PM
Your not being picky, the job market right now really does suck that bad... In the last three months I've driven from Everett, WA back to Phoenix, AZ then to Egg Harbor, NC and back again. I've turned in over 300 resumes, and about that many applications & have at least 3 different "profiles" on about a dozen Job sites. All that and I've yet to land a workable $15-$20/hr 40+ hrs week job. plenty of part time sh't jobs to be had, but try to find one with benefits and decent pay is a rare thing any more.

I suddenly feel the urge to get back to those databases ::leave forums::

BigWorm
04-21-2009, 02:53 PM
Depends on the specialization and area. Right now in Indy it's suckage. I've been looking, although not as hard as I can be let's be honest, and still haven't found something I had to have. Of course I'm being pretty picky at the moment.

True. I don't do Windows so I have no idea what kind of demand there is for that stuff anymore, but I see C#/.NET jobs all the time.

Trouble
04-21-2009, 03:21 PM
There are lots of IT jobs here in the DC area. I still get calls every other week from job applications I did online 3 years ago. Bonus loot if you're willing/able to get a clearance or have one already. Not all of the jobs are 'fun' but this area is pretty recession proof and you're never out of work long unless you want to be. The cost of living is pretty high but with the housing crash some of the outer suburbs are rediculously cheap.

g++
04-21-2009, 03:50 PM
True. I don't do Windows so I have no idea what kind of demand there is for that stuff anymore, but I see C#/.NET jobs all the time.

One of the coolest job offers I ever read was a want add for a programmer with 20 years of on the job experience with C#/.net . Remember learning C# while watching ET?

The Ponzzz
04-21-2009, 03:56 PM
Whoa, how did I get pulled into this!?

EDIT: I told you, Farn, we could work something out...

Farn
04-21-2009, 04:28 PM
Whoa, how did I get pulled into this!?

Talk of shadiness?


EDIT: I told you, Farn, we could work something out...

So there's demand for skinny white guys with facial hair now? I'm hesitant to ask what I need to do to for my part of "working something out."

BigWorm
04-21-2009, 04:31 PM
Talk of shadiness?



So there's demand for skinny white guys with facial hair now? I'm hesitant to ask what I need to do to for my part of "working something out."

He means buttsex

The Ponzzz
04-21-2009, 05:28 PM
Yeah, buttsects. Sorry.