This is why we have seat-belt laws

[StrayRogue]

http://www.949zeta.com/noSeatBelt/noSeatbelt.html

Oh yeah, for you whimps out there (ie, Leloo), don't watch.

[Artha]

Holy shit.

That guy looked really drunk.

[Bobmuhthol]

0wn3d

[Zeyrin]

In the 10 years is was a paramedic, I've seen where seatbelts both have saved and killed a lot of people. I honestly think most of the researched is biased about how effective seatbelts are. Personally, I think it's just another money making scheme by the government.

[Souzy]

Damn, reminds me of the time I totalled my ex's Acura in Charlotte, NC, bwahaha! I had my seatbelt on though. He almost flew out the back window and my sister (sitting in the back seat) caught him. He landed on her boobs and she got some tig ol' bitties.

edited to correct WINDOW. The hick in me came out, there is no such thing as winder right?

[Edited on 2-19-2004 by Lalana]

[Pierat]

There are "times" few I might add, where a seatbelt could hamper driving abilitys.... I can avoid a accident easier without wearing one...... However odds are they probably help ::lol::

[Ilvane]

I was in a car accident when I was 17 and I survived because of my seat belt. There is a good reason there are laws..trust me.

If I hadn't worn the seat belt, I would have either not been alive or I would have had severe facial injuries from hitting the windshield. Instead I walked out of the car, and had 30 stitches.:)

I got hit by a drunk driver, so yeah..trust me. Jeesh, got all serious!

-A

[Rysk]

I don't agree with the seat belt law. I feel you should wear them. But I don't feel that the government should MAKE you wear them... If you want to be stupid.. be stupid... you're hurting no one but yourself.

[Blazing247]

Wow, that guy got fucked up. Dumbass fell asleep at the wheel. DON'T DRIVE IF YOU'RE TOO FUCKING TIRED. I hope he died.

[SpunGirl]

Someone who is not smart enough to put on the seatbelt in a normal driving situation is not smart enough to live. Why make a law to protect the dumbfucks? I rolled my car three times at 80 mph when I was 19 because I fell asleep at the wheel. Granted, dumbfuck thing to do, but wearing a seatbelt (smart thing!) saved my life. Also Volvo, but the seatbelt too.

-K

[Latrinsorm]

Four-point seatbelts should be the law.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Someone who is not smart enough to put on the seatbelt in a normal driving situation is not smart enough to live.>>

Or maybe they don't need a seatbelt because they don't suck at driving?

[Hulkein]

I'd never wear a seatbelt if I was worried about me personally getting in an accident, but you gotta worry about everyone else on the road too Bob.

Seatbelts don't always save your life, it's actually probably closer to a toss up then people would like to think, from what I've heard from paramedics.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Seatbelts don't always save your life, it's actually probably closer to a toss up then people would like to think, from what I've heard from paramedics. If they were four-point, they'd be 99.99% effective (cuz hey, sometimes they break). Believe it.

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<Someone who is not smart enough to put on the seatbelt in a normal driving situation is not smart enough to live.>>

Or maybe they don't need a seatbelt because they don't suck at driving?

You try my patience, Bob. Being good at driving has little to do with THE OTHER FUCKING IDIOTS ON THE ROAD. Of course, seatbelt advice from someone who isn't old enough to drive a goddamn car is like family planning advice from the Pope. Shut up, Bob.

-K

[Latrinsorm]

Could this be the last time we identify Bob with the Pope, plz?

[Bobmuhthol]

Being good at driving has plenty to do with the idiots on the road. Be good enough to avoid them. Seatbelts are far from necessary for anything other than getting in the way.

Also, wtf?

[Kitsun]

That was so funny I watched it four times.

I was in the car when my friend hydroplaned into a wooden blockade thing made of like whole trees. The car was wrecked...the blockade was in perfect shape. We were all fucked up but it would've been a ton worse if we didn't have seatbelts on. My friend actually tried to protect me by putting his arm out. All he managed to do was add another bruise right across my chest.

If that guy survived that hit, I'm sure he wishes he didn't.

[SpunGirl]

Alright smartypants, explain this. My best friend was sitting in traffic two weeks ago and was rear-ended at 60 mph by some dumbfuck who wasn't paying attention. Considering she was blocked in on ALL SIDES by traffic, she could do little but brace herself in the three seconds between when she saw him coming and he hit her.

If she wasn't wearing a seatbelt, it's likely she could have been thrown through the windshield. Explain how her being a good or bad driver would have helped her avoid this. I'll read your explanation when I get back from picking up my condoms in the Vatican.

-K

[Bobmuhthol]

If she was a good driver, she wouldn't be in that situation. That also doesn't mean anyone that doesn't wear a seatbelt should automatically die. One death prevented by a seatbelt. Wow. So if I supply one incident where a seatbelt did not affect the outcome of an accident, am I automatically correct, just because? That would be uber.


Airbag kills child in accident. Airbags, no matter how much they save lives, should now be banned from this one incident because OBVIOUSLY there's no way to prevent someone dying from an airbag other than removing them. The situation isn't avoidable, so that's the best choice..

[Edited on 2-19-2004 by Bobmuhthol]

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
If she was a good driver, she wouldn't be in that situation.


If she was a good driver, she wouldn't be sitting in traffic with MORE traffic approaching from behind? Jesus Fuck Bob.

-K

[Drew2]

Why the fuck are you wasting your time talking about driving with a 13 year old who hasn't hit puberty?

He's not worth it K. Just let it go. He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, but he'll make every attempt to seem like he does.

[Hulkein]

There are unavoidable accidents everyday, I don't think Bob's being serious, he's got to be retarded to actually believe that you can be perfect enough to be able to avoid every bad driver at all times.

[Bobmuhthol]

When 10 out of 10 people state their defense as, "Why do I even bother talking to a thirteen-year-old who hasn't hit puberty?" it's not a very good one.

Especially when it's false information.

[Hulkein]

I didn't say anything about your age. You're wrong, there's no need to state your age, it's apparent by the claim you're making.

[SpunGirl]

I defer to Tayre and Hulkein. Call me human, the stupidity and ass-hattiness of some people never ceases to amaze me.

GO TAKE DRIVER'S ED IN THREE YEARS, BOB. That's all.

-K

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I don't think Bob's being serious>>

<<You're wrong, there's no need to state your age, it's apparent by the claim you're making.>>

[SpunGirl]

Btw, Bob, way to sidestep my request for an explanation from the all-knowing God of Traffic on how to avoid being rear-ended while waiting at a fucking stoplight surrounded by other cars.

Also, in other news, my Vatican-Riffic birth control pills didn't work. Who'd have thought?

-K

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<I don't think Bob's being serious>>

<<You're wrong, there's no need to state your age, it's apparent by the claim you're making.>>


You being serious has nothing to do with your age. I could say the same thing and be 'not serious' as in joking around to get a rise out of people.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Btw, Bob, way to sidestep my request for an explanation from the all-knowing God of Traffic on how to avoid being rear-ended while waiting at a fucking stoplight surrounded by other cars.>>

Fly a plane, don't drive a car. Or, if you drive a car, don't bitch when you get in an accident. You know the risks when you get in, just because it happened doesn't mean you have a right to whine about it.

Or wear a +12 Tunic of Invulnerability.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I don't think Bob's being serious>>

<<You're wrong, there's no need to state your age, it's apparent by the claim you're making.>>

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Fly a plane, don't drive a car. Or, if you drive a car, don't bitch when you get in an accident. You know the risks when you get in, just because it happened doesn't mean you have a right to whine about it.


That wasn't what you said, you said it was avoidable by being a good driver, not by taking other means of travel.

[Bobmuhthol]

Don't drive on populated roads. If you do, you're getting yourself into the situation which is very much avoidable. Now if I'm not being serious why do you continue to argue?

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<I don't think Bob's being serious>>

<<You're wrong, there's no need to state your age, it's apparent by the claim you're making.>>


Yeah? I didn't think you were being serious.. but then you continued to defend what you said so I changed my mind.

[Bobmuhthol]

So I wasn't being serious, then I said I've hit puberty and anyone that says I haven't is incorrect, and because of that you changed your mind?

Also change that +12 Tunic of Invulnerability to a +100 Ring of Intelligence.

[Hulkein]

Your post about you hitting puberty was indirectly saying 'because that's your only argument, I'm right.'

[Bobmuhthol]

No, it was directly saying, "You're wrong for saying I haven't hit puberty."

Read it however you want, that wasn't the intent, so it doesn't matter what you think of it. I'm the one that posted it, I think I'd know.

[SpunGirl]

Bob, WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOUR PARENTS? Take a PLANE? Don't drive on populated ROADS? She lives in Phoenix, not in Hubcap, Texas. For FUCK'S SAKE. And no one was BITCHING about the accident, the statement was made that the seatbelt lilely saved her life IN THAT SITUATION, IN WHICH SHE WAS NOT AT FAULT.

Now somebody slap me next time I try to drill some sense into Bob.

-K

[Edited on 2-19-2004 by SpunGirl]

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Read it however you want, that wasn't the intent, so it doesn't matter what you think of it. I'm the one that posted it, I think I'd know.

Correct.

[Bobmuhthol]

Okay, the seatbelt saved her. That doesn't back up that anyone who doesn't wear a seatbelt is an idiot and deserves to die for not following your not-so-awesome wisdom.

Here's an example of someone not being saved by their seatbelt: They were wearing it and died anyway. There goes that.

Another example: Someone not wearing a seatbelt survived.

[Hulkein]

I agree with that Bob. I don't always wear my seatbelt and I don't think I deserve to die. I actually only put it on when I'm on a highway.

[Edited on 2-19-2004 by Hulkein]

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Okay, the seatbelt saved her. That doesn't back up that anyone who doesn't wear a seatbelt is an idiot and deserves to die for not following your not-so-awesome wisdom.

No. I said it's stupid to legislate something like seatbelts. If you're not smart enough to put one on and YOU DIE AS A DIRECT RESULT, that's just too bad.


Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Here's an example of someone not being saved by their seatbelt: They were wearing it and died anyway. There goes that.

There goes what? The fact that they were in such a horrible accident that nothing could save them? Shit happens.


Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Another example: Someone not wearing a seatbelt survived.

Because it was a minor accident, because they were lucky, because it was an accident having nothing to do with a seatbelt (and there are SOME of them!)

Again. If you die because you didn't have a seatbelt on, that's stupid. We should not waste our time making laws to protect these stupid people.

-K

[Bobmuhthol]

I'll admit I was wrong when it comes to what the original topic was, I had misinterpreted what you said. I'm not going to get into it any further, I was wrong, I've lost, I apologize.

[SpunGirl]

The world makes sense again.

Also, pnwed.

-K

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
Again. If you die because you didn't have a seatbelt on, that's stupid. We should not waste our time making laws to protect these stupid people.

It's not that clear cut and simple.

1) Should anyone else involved in the accident be loaded with the guilt of someone dying even if it wasn't their fault? Guilt is not rational and plenty of people take on a share of it they dont' deserve.

2) The relatives of the deceased will almost certainly sue someone.

3) Insurance rates have supposedly dropped because of the seatbelt law. (I have no proof of this).

4) If the person doesn't die but ends up paralyzed from the neck down, who will end up paying for the 24/7 nursing care he requires till the day he dies? We will, most likely.

5) The revenue from ticketing and fining people who break the seatbelt law can be a nice addition to a state or country.

Raven

[SpunGirl]

I agree with you on the revenue bit. I simply have a problem with legislation that makes laws out of what I believe is common sense. I feel that it's a waste of time.

If someone dies in an accident because they refused to put on their seatbelt, even if the accident is NOT their fault, then it's a stupid move on their part. It takes two seconds to click in your seatbelt. If someone is too stupid to deduce this, then no amount of laws will help them.

I don't know anyone who doesn't like seatbelts but wears them because theyr'e afraid of getting busted for not doing it.

This is why I think these types of legislation waste the time of our governments - state, local, federal, whatever.

-K

[Hulkein]

Most people don't obey the law anyway, and it's a secondary offense so they need to pull you over for something else to ticket you for it (In PA at least)... I've been pulled over twice in the last month, wasn't wearing my seatbelt either time and didn't put it on real quick and I didn't get a fine for it. It's just like the jaywalking law, that's all.

[Edited on 2-19-2004 by Hulkein]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<and it's a secondary offense so they need to pull you over for something else to ticket you for it>>

You can be pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt in Massachusetts.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<and it's a secondary offense so they need to pull you over for something else to ticket you for it>>

You can be pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt in Massachusetts.
Wrongo, Bobboy. The law is that you CANNOT be pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt. The cop has to pull you over for something else to cite you for that.

[Hulkein]

Do you know of any state where it is a primary offense?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Wrongo, Bobboy. The law is that you CANNOT be pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt. The cop has to pull you over for something else to cite you for that.>>

Wrongo, Galboy. The law is that you CAN be pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt in Massachusetts.

[Hulkein]

I don't know if they recently passed a law for MA, but as of January 2001, the only states with primary seatbelt laws were -

Alabama
California
Connecticut
District of Columbia
Georgia
Hawaii
Indiana
Iowa
Louisiana
Maryland
Michigan
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
Oklahoma
Oregon
Texas
Washington


http://www.nsc.org/partners/stprilaw.htm

[Hulkein]

Here's an updated website. Seems you're wrong again Bob.

http://www3.madd.org/laws/law.cfm?LawID=SEAT

[Galleazzo]

1) I drive in this state, Bobboy, you don't.

2) I got a copy of the statute book, you don't.

3) Chapter 90: Section 13A Seat belt use required; exemptions; penalty

Any person who operates a motor vehicle without a safety belt, and any person sixteen years of age or over who rides as a passenger in a motor vehicle without wearing a safety belt in violation of this section, shall be subject to a fine of twenty-five dollars. Any operator of a motor vehicle shall be subject to an additional fine of twenty-five dollars for each person under the age of sixteen and no younger than twelve who is a passenger in said motor vehicle and not wearing a safety belt. The provisions of this section shall be enforced by law enforcement agencies only when an operator of a motor vehicle has been stopped for a violation of the motor vehicle laws or some other offense.

4) This is the link if you want to see if yourself. http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/90%2D13a.htm

5) Bob, you are a dumb fuck.

:thumbsdown:

[Latrinsorm]

What the hell was that "Click it or Ticket" ad campaign about, then? Although I guess I was living in CT at the time. Some cop yelled that at my bro and me one time as we went through an intersection. He must have been talking about the phantom in the back seat, because we both had belts on.

In conclusion: Saturns suck. 4-points rule.

[Galleazzo]

You were living in Connecticut at the time, that's what.

[Mint]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
What the hell was that "Click it or Ticket" ad campaign about, then? Although I guess I was living in CT at the time. Some cop yelled that at my bro and me one time as we went through an intersection. He must have been talking about the phantom in the back seat, because we both had belts on.

In conclusion: Saturns suck. 4-points rule.

Had a family member who had breast cancer. After surgery she was uncomfortable driving with the shoulder harness so she put that part of the seatbelt behind her back and drove with just the lap belt. She got stopped and ticketed for speeding once and didnt notice that the cop had included a fine for driving without a seatbelt on. She just paid the fine cause she did not want to deal with it.