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Tisket
04-15-2009, 09:28 PM
A group in England is organizing a de-baptism movement.
(http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1891230,00.html?cnn=yes)


According to Argentine campaigner Ariel Bellino, a former Catholic: "The church counts all those who've been baptized as Catholic and lobbies for legislation based on that number, so we're trying to convey the importance of people expressing they no longer belong to the church."

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Back in Britain, Michael Evans, an atheist and former journalist who downloaded the de-baptism certificate in March, believes the Church of England claims more members than it actually has in order to shore up its influence in the secular world. "It claims to speak for the majority of people in Britain," he says. Official estimates are that fewer than one million Britons regularly attend Sunday services, but there are currently 26 Church of England bishops sitting in the House of Lords. "With churches, everybody checks in, but nobody checks out," says Evans, who was baptized as an infant. "There's no exit strategy except the funeral."

I don't know that this would have any real impact on churches using inflated member counts to increase their political and secular influence, especially the Catholic church. Once baptised that's pretty much all she wrote. You can be a good Catholic, a bad Catholic, a lapsed Catholic and even an excommunicated Catholic (just a Catholic who is ineligible to receive the Sacraments) but you can't stop being Catholic. Still, for all you PC heretics, here is a chance to spit in the churches face:

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w66/Sassy_Photos_2007/debaptism.jpg

thefarmer
04-15-2009, 10:00 PM
Why can't you stop being catholic?

Celephais
04-15-2009, 10:03 PM
http://hight3ch.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/Fundies.jpg

BriarFox
04-15-2009, 10:04 PM
Why can't you stop being catholic?

Within the framework of the Catholic church, there is no conceptual framework for revocation of Catholicism. Once you're in, you can't leave, at least as far as the Church is concerned. Even if you're excommunicated or whatever, you're still part of the Church in a broad sense. If you renounce Catholicism, you're a Catholic heretic. So on.

Tisket
04-15-2009, 10:47 PM
Why can't you stop being catholic?

I should have prefaced that with "in the eyes of the church" you can't stop being Catholic.

I think from a practical standpoint it's easier to count the sheep coming rather than going. They have records of when someone was baptised. I'd imagine it's a lot harder to track when someone decides to stop being Catholic.

From a spiritual standpoint I'd imagine it's because it's based in the doctrine that baptism can never be effaced. You get baptized once and whatever choices you make afterwards are yours but they'll never result in needing to be baptized a second time. So once you're baptized into the Church, you may one day need to repent of sins committed while you weren't being a very good Catholic but your baptism is always valid within the Church and therefore you're always technically a Catholic. Like it or not.

Anyway, debaptism reminds me of Machiavelli when the priest gave him his last rites.

Priest: Do you renounce Satan and all of his works?
Machiavelli: I don't think now is a good time to start making new enemies.

thefarmer
04-15-2009, 11:21 PM
I've always thought catholics were an odd bunch. This just reinforces it.

Latrinsorm
04-16-2009, 12:27 AM
Anti-religious people need placards and certificates. Embrace irreligiousity and free yourself from the shackles you've perceived.

Tisket
04-16-2009, 12:30 AM
http://hight3ch.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/Fundies.jpg

You are confusing Catholocism with ClydeR's brand of krayzee Krischuns.

Methais
04-16-2009, 02:11 AM
http://hight3ch.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/Fundies.jpg

This is the best post in the history of everything.