an enruned blued-steel flamberge

[Lomoriond]

An enruned blued-steel flamberge

Four feet of precision wavy blade, blued until it resembles watered silk, has been acid-etched with intricate runic patterns running from blade tip to thrak hide-wrapped ricassa. A damascened gold and silver hilt and quillion add another two feet to the length of this already imposing weapon. Impressed within the pommel lies an onyx intaglio of a rampant firecat. You also notice a small enchanter's glyph.

You assess the flamberge for structural weaknesses and strengths.

Careful examination indicates the blued-steel flamberge has a base strength of 95 and a base durability of 240. You also determine the current integrity of the blued-steel flamberge to be at 100.0%.

Checking out the flamberge, it looks like it is expertly weighted to inflict more critical blows than a normal weapon of its type.

Roundtime: 22 sec.

Weighs 17 pounds, +12 enchant

40mil flat or $350 via paypal

[Lomoriond]

Saving someone the trouble:


Blah blah blah - not claidh weighted anymore

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=24900
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=23726

Never was

[Belnia]

Is it an actual flamberge based weapon?

[Lomoriond]

It is a true flamberge base, yes

[Khariz]

Saving someone the trouble:

Not claid-weighted.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=24900
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=23726

Never was

Just to help you out though, and so everyone knows how much weighting it DOES have:


In order of descending magnitude:
wondrous
incredible
fantastic <-- standard claidhmores
phenomenal
expert
superb
masterful
exceptional
very heavy
heavy <--- standard katanas
decent
somewhat
light
no padding/weighting <-- This is the baseline
slightly diminished
somewhat diminished
noticeably diminished
substantially diminished

So as you can see, its above just about everything else, but not quite claidhmore.

[Lomoriond]

Thank you for that :-)

Another thing to note is that, with a WBS of 7, flamberge is a LOT faster for mstriking.

Mstrike RT goes (WBS + 1) + [(Swings-1) * (WBS/2)]

Base claidhmore speed is 13 seconds for two swings and 17 for three or more
Base flamberge speed is 11 seconds for two swings and 14 for three or more

So a half elf with 53 agi/dex would have an mstrike speed of 7/10 seconds with this flamberge (compared to 9/13 with a standard claidhmore)

Another thing to note is that the AVD of a flamberge is an average of 11 points higher than that of a claidhmore, so this essentially is the kid brother of a +23 claidhmore

Slightly less weighting, slightly less damage and a lot more speed.

[Khariz]

If anyone wants to see how NOT pussy this weapon is, here is a log of me duoing a warcamp with it:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=35112

[Belnia]

Was that guy really berserking with a whip?

[Khariz]

Was that guy really berserking with a whip?

Yeah, I can't remember if he was being goofy, or if that was an accident. Probably the former.

[Lomoriond]

Bump

[ElvenFury]

Base claidhmore speed is 13 seconds for two swings and 17 for three or more
Base flamberge speed is 11 seconds for two swings and 14 for three or more

I've never seen anything written anywhere that says that multi-strike roundtimes cap at three hits. Wouldn't they keep growing?

[Khariz]

I've never seen anything written anywhere that says that multi-strike roundtimes cap at three hits. Wouldn't they keep growing?

It was a semi-recent (within the last year) change. I'll find the documentation for you.

[Lomoriond]

As of the last major mstrike update (May of 2008), mstrike RT caps at 3 hits...

It's not written, but anyone who mstrikes regularly can verify that it does not grow after the third hit

[Khariz]

Here you go:


The following updates have been made to the MSTRIKE verb:

The maximum amount of RT incurred via mstriking has been significantly lessened, particularly for large numbers of swings. In exchange, the duration of the mstrike recovery period has been generally increased. However, it is now possible to use mstrike during the recovery period, at the cost of 40 stamina points (for an open mstrike) or 60 stamina points (for a focused mstrike). Mstrike is no longer useable in the "Muscles Popped" stamina state. The mstrike recovery period is now viewable in SPELL ACTIVE or the StormFront Active Spells window.

In addition, the training thresholds for additional strikes have been adjusted. The new Multi-Opponent Combat thresholds are:

Open Mstrike

5-14 Ranks : 2 swings
15-34 Ranks: 3 swings
35-59 Ranks: 4 swings
60-99 Ranks: 5 swings
100-154 Ranks: 6 swings
155+ Ranks: 7 swings

Focused Mstrike

30-54 Ranks: 2 swings
55-89 Ranks: 3 swings
90-134 Ranks: 4 swings
135-190 Ranks: 5 swings
190+ Ranks: 6 swings

Coase

This message was originally posted in Hunting and Combat, General Discussion about H&C.

[Lomoriond]

Category: Hunting and Combat
Topic: General Discussion about H&C
Message number: 3675
Author: GS4-COASE
Date: 5/26/2008 11:39:01 PM
Subject: MSTRIKE Update


The following updates have been made to the MSTRIKE verb:

The maximum amount of RT incurred via mstriking has been significantly lessened, particularly for large numbers of swings. In exchange, the duration of the mstrike recovery period has been generally increased. However, it is now possible to use mstrike during the recovery period, at the cost of 40 stamina points (for an open mstrike) or 60 stamina points (for a focused mstrike). Mstrike is no longer useable in the "Muscles Popped" stamina state. The mstrike recovery period is now viewable in SPELL ACTIVE or the StormFront Active Spells window.

[Lomoriond]

One further addendum:

Category: Hunting and Combat
Topic: General Discussion about H&C
Message number: 3790
Author: GS4-COASE
Date: 6/10/2008 5:14:59 PM
Subject: Mstrike Update


The stamina cost for mstriking during the recovery period has been changed to be based upon weapon speed:

Open mstrikes will now cost 20 + (3 * Weapon Speed) stamina points, while focused mstrikes will now cost 30 + (4 * Weapon Speed) stamina points. For two weapon combat, the effective weapon speed is Primary Weapon Speed + (Offhand Weapon Speed - 2, min 0).

Coase



Making the WBS 7 of this flamberge even more beneficial over the WBS 8 of a normal claidhmore.

[ElvenFury]

Am I just being retarded? Because I don't see anything in there about a cap. And this line:


The maximum amount of RT incurred via mstriking has been significantly lessened, particularly for large numbers of swings.

I just took it as a reference to a change in the RT formula. I'm familiar with all of these posts, since I Mstrike a lot, but I do it with katars, and rarely over 3 hits. I guess I'll have to get a bigger weapon and try it out for myself later...

[Lomoriond]

They didn't come and say it outright that it's capped at three swings now, but pretty much anyone who uses two handers/poles and mstrikes can verify that it is.

3, 4 or 5 strikes all take 9 RT for me with this flamberge

[Loyrl]

5 focused swings with a two handed sword 12 sec RT for me.

[Khariz]

5 focused swings with a two handed sword 12 sec RT for me.

Yep. There are now hard-coded maximums (which can be exceeded by encumbrance, etc). But the actual act of MSTRIKing now has max RT add values.

Edit: And twohanded swords / claidhmores are as high as you can get on the RT scale.

[ElvenFury]

Yep. There are now hard-coded maximums (which can be exceeded by encumbrance, etc). But the actual act of MSTRIKing now has max RT add values.

Edit: And twohanded swords / claidhmores are as high as you can get on the RT scale.

Ok, I'll take you guys' word for it. Although someone should really put it on Krakiipedia.

[Khariz]

Ok, I'll take you guys' word for it. Although someone should really put it on Krakiipedia.

It's really more of a deduction than a fact. If you take the lowest statistical values for RT (like a giantman with a claidhmore) and then mstrike with 3 strikes or 5 strikes or 7 strikes you get the same RT.

People with better stats and lighter weapons may not have been aware of this.

[ElvenFury]

People with better stats and lighter weapons may not have been aware of this.

Yeah, Elf with two katars here. :-P I was thinking of going heavier, so I looked over the formula and figured these would be his times:



WS=9
#S RT RT-5(Aarx's time)
2 14 9
3 18 13
4 22 17
5 26 21
6 30 25

WS=8
#S RT RT-5(Aarx's time)
2 13 8
3 17 12
4 21 16
5 25 20
6 29 24

WS=7
#S RT RT-5(Aarx's time)
2 11 6
3 14 9
4 17 12
5 20 15
6 23 18

WS=6
#S RT RT-5(Aarx's time)
2 10 5
3 13 8
4 16 11
5 19 14
6 22 17

WS=5
#S RT RT-5(Aarx's time)
2 8 5
3 10 5
4 12 7
5 14 9
6 16 11

WS=4
#S RT RT-5(Aarx's time)
2 7 5
3 9 5
4 11 6
5 13 8
6 15 10

WS=3
#S RT RT-5(Aarx's time)
2 5 5
3 6 5
4 7 5
5 8 5
6 9 5


I was really dissapointed to see how high the times could get for 6/7 second weapons. This might change my mind...

Oh, and sorry for the thread hijack.

[Khariz]

Eh, hijacks mean more bumps. Yeah, you should cap out on RT somewhere.

On topic: Someone buy the flamberge. I've owned it twice and liked it both times.

I'll buy it back when I save 50 mil back up. Been letting my liquid silvers wane.

[Lomoriond]

I'm absolutely loving the 6/9 second RT on the flamberge mstrikes combined with the weighting... completely tearing up wyneb with it


>ms hiero
You concentrate intently, focusing all your energies.
You explode into a fury of strikes and ripostes, moving with a singular purpose and will!
You swing an enruned blued-steel flamberge at an emaciated hierophant!
AS: +386 vs DS: +366 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +79 = +141
... and hit for 39 points of damage!
Diagonal slash leaves a bloody trail across the emaciated hierophant's torso.
The emaciated hierophant is stunned!
You swing an enruned blued-steel flamberge at an emaciated hierophant!
AS: +386 vs DS: +346 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +99 = +181
... and hit for 83 points of damage!
Hard slash to the emaciated hierophant's side opens his spleen!
You swing an enruned blued-steel flamberge at an emaciated hierophant!
AS: +386 vs DS: +346 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +99 = +181
... and hit for 73 points of damage!
Tremendous blow crushes skull like a ripe melon.
An emaciated hierophant dies, falling down like a rag doll.
The very powerful look leaves an emaciated hierophant.
The white light leaves an emaciated hierophant.
The deep blue glow leaves an emaciated hierophant.
An emaciated hierophant seems to lose an aura of confidence.
An emaciated hierophant seems to lose some dexterity.
An emaciated hierophant appears less powerful.
The dull golden nimbus fades from around an emaciated hierophant.

Your series of strikes and ripostes leaves you winded and out of position.
Roundtime: 9 sec.



>ms sup
You concentrate intently, focusing all your energies.
You explode into a fury of strikes and ripostes, moving with a singular purpose and will!
You swing an enruned blued-steel flamberge at a muscular supplicant!
AS: +386 vs DS: +246 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +37 = +219
... and hit for 82 points of damage!
Hard blow breaks the femur!
The muscular supplicant is knocked to the ground!
The muscular supplicant is stunned!
You swing an enruned blued-steel flamberge at a muscular supplicant!
AS: +386 vs DS: +165 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +62 = +325
... and hit for 132 points of damage!
Hard blow breaks the femur!
You swing an enruned blued-steel flamberge at a muscular supplicant!
AS: +386 vs DS: +131 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +90 = +387
... and hit for 161 points of damage!
Hard slash to the muscular supplicant's side!
Right arm no longer available for use.
The supplicant's dark steel flamberge falls to the ground.
A muscular supplicant thrashes violently and then dies.

Your series of strikes and ripostes leaves you winded and out of position.
Roundtime: 9 sec.


You swing an enruned blued-steel flamberge at an emaciated hierophant!
AS: +386 vs DS: +257 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +9 = +180
... and hit for 88 points of damage!
Gruesome, slashing blow to the side of the emaciated hierophant's head!
Skull split open! Brain (and life) vanishes in a fine mist.
With an ear-piercing cry of agony, the emaciated hierophant dies.
The very powerful look leaves an emaciated hierophant.
The white light leaves an emaciated hierophant.
The deep blue glow leaves an emaciated hierophant.
An emaciated hierophant seems to lose an aura of confidence.
An emaciated hierophant seems to lose some dexterity.
An emaciated hierophant appears less powerful.
The dull golden nimbus fades from around an emaciated hierophant.
The air about an emaciated hierophant stops shimmering.
The light blue glow leaves an emaciated hierophant.
The powerful look leaves an emaciated hierophant.
Roundtime: 6 sec.

[Lomoriond]

I absolutely love it, but I'm trying to slowly phase myself out of GS again, and can't justify owning such an expensive weapon

[Donquix]

wow...mstrike rt is capped at 3 swing times? I had not seen this development, happened while i was on break.

wow....that makes my small weapon 2x moc build a lot more interesting.

A lot.

[Khariz]

wow...mstrike rt is capped at 3 swing times? I had not seen this development, happened while i was on break.

wow....that makes my small weapon 2x moc build a lot more interesting.

A lot.

No, you are mis-translating.

Weapon weight, base, and statistics hits a max RT wall on mstrikes.

Mstriking with a sai on a halfing, you will (Edit: likely will, as I don't know) see RT differences between 3 and 5 swings.

Mstriking on a giant with a lance, you won't.

[Donquix]

I did jump the gun a bit, heh. I've read through in a little more detail now. I got a bit excited ;)

I can open mstrike up to 4 right now, i'll head out and see what my RT is.

[DoctorUnne]

I TWC two handaxes and when I went from 3 unfocused mstrikes to 4, my RT stayed at 10 seconds. Assuming it's capped there, eventually when I cap and 1x MOC I'll have 6 unfocused mstrikes in 10 seconds, or 12 swings in 10 seconds, each with a handaxe base. That's pretty cool. And as I get encumbered my mstrike RT doesn't go up. And that's with an AGIDEX bonus only between 23 and 38.

[Donquix]

Fuck murphy's law

every time i actually hunt and i can't deal with it, i get swarmed.

When i want to test my mstrike time, i sit in a room with 3 mobs in it for 20 minutes and the 4th one in the adjacent room just refuses to walk in.

[Lomoriond]

Price lowered... buy it!

[Khariz]

IMO, this is a steal. I'll probably buy it back at this price as soon as I can gather the funds.

Get it while you can, I won't be selling it this cheap when I have it.

[Lomoriond]

Still for sale...

[Khariz]

I've got the silvers for the 40 mil now. If you catch me on Teras, I'll probably buy it back.

[Sam]

no. me!

[Lomoriond]

You guys have ridiculous timing! Selling this thing for months and you BOTH decide you want it on the same day?

PMs shot to both of you

[Khariz]

I defer to Brute unless he ends up not wanting it.