Proposed Gun Ban List [Archive] - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

LordThoranios

03-23-2009, 03:23 PM

Well....for all you guys like me who love your weapons...heres the proposed gun ban list. I know I own a few on the list.

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
>
> M1 Carbine,
>
> Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
>
> AR-15,
>
> Bushmaster XM15,
>
> Armalite M15,
>
> AR-10,
>
> Thompson 1927,
>
> Thompson M1;
>
> AK,
>
> AKM,
>
> AKS,
>
> AK-47,
>
> AK-74,
>
> ARM,
>
> MAK90,
>
> NHM 90,
>
> NHM 91,
>
> SA 85,
>
> SA 93,
>
> VEPR;
>
> Olympic Arms PCR;
>
> AR70,
>
> Calico Liberty ,
>
> Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
>
> Fabrique National FN/FAL,
>
> FN/LAR, or FNC,
>
> Hi-Point20Carbine,
>
> HK-91,
>
> HK-93,
>
> HK-94,
>
> HK-PSG-1,
>
> Thompson 1927 Commando,
>
> Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
>
> Saiga,
>
> SAR-8,
>
> SAR-4800,
>
> SKS with detachable magazine,
>
> SLG 95,
>
> SLR 95 or 96,
>
> Steyr AU,
>
> Tavor,
>
> Uzi,
>
> Galil and Uzi Sporter,
>
> Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
>
> Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
>
> Calico M-110,
>
> MAC-10,
>
> MAC-11, or MPA3,
>
> Olympic Arms OA,
>
> TEC-9,
>
> TEC-DC9,
>
> TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
>
> Uzi.
>
> Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
>
> Armscor 30 BG,
>
> SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
>
> Striker 12,
>
> Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything
> missed or new designs):
>
> A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable
> magazine and has:
>
> (i) a folding or telescoping stock,
>
> (ii) a threaded barrel,
>
> (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can
> serve as a grip, see
>
> below),
>
> (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
>
> Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that
> can accept more than
>
> 10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire
> rifles).
>
> A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept
> a
>
> detachable magazine, and has:
>
> (i) a second pistol grip,
>
> (ii) a threaded barrel,
>
> (iii) a barrel shroud or
>
> (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the
> pistol grip, and
>
> (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that
> can accept more than 10
>
> rounds.
>
> A semiautomatic shotgun with:
>
> (i) a folding or telescoping stock,
>
> (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
>
> (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or
> a fixed magazine capacity
>
> of more than 5 rounds, and
>
> (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
>
> Frames or receivers for the above are included, along
> with conversion kits.

Sean of the Thread

03-23-2009, 03:28 PM

Wow wtf.

I'll agree that some of those have no business on the streets other than serious owners but holy shit that's just bullshit.

Jayvn

03-23-2009, 03:34 PM

I wouldn't mind a dragunov

LordThoranios

03-23-2009, 03:36 PM

Buy your stuff now guys...its going to start getting in short supply....In just the last few weeks ive seen the price of M4 and Ar15 style rifles go up in my area.

Keller

03-23-2009, 03:40 PM

Ha, I own a gun on the banned gun list.

Awesome.

Drew

03-23-2009, 03:47 PM

What proposed ban is this?

Gan

03-23-2009, 03:49 PM

I'd love to add a HK or a Dragunov to my inventory. Looks like it will have to be under the table if this passes. :(

Jorddyn

03-23-2009, 04:06 PM

Well....for all you guys like me who love your weapons...heres the proposed gun ban list. I know I own a few on the list.

Proposed by whom? The first person who forwarded that email, who may or may not know anything about any proposed legislation, and may or may not have an agenda against the current administration? Or the person who forwarded it to you? Or the person you forwarded it to?

CrystalTears

03-23-2009, 04:11 PM

I've only been able to find blogging sites that are mentioning this leaked gun ban list. I'd rather see it through a news source, so I'll keep looking.

Jorddyn

03-23-2009, 04:13 PM

I've only been able to find blogging sites that are mentioning this leaked gun ban list. I'd rather see it through a news source, so I'll keep looking.

That's exactly what I saw when I looked.

And looking at legislative action this year, all I see is HR45, which is esentially the Brady Bill on steroids, in which I see no recommendations for banning any weapon.

But hey, people believe the crap, so it is working as intended.

thefarmer

03-23-2009, 04:14 PM

But hey, paranoid people buy the crap, so it is working as intended.

Fixed

LordThoranios

03-23-2009, 04:17 PM

Proposed by whom? The first person who forwarded that email, who may or may not know anything about any proposed legislation, and may or may not have an agenda against the current administration? Or the person who forwarded it to you? Or the person you forwarded it to?

I personally got the email from a local NRA rep as well as some law enforcement buddies....But your welcome to research it all you want...its all over the net as far as i can see. Try Congresscheck.com...Its a congress blog and what all is going on there.

Keller

03-23-2009, 04:22 PM

I personally got the email from a local NRA rep as well as some law enforcement buddies....But your welcome to research it all you want...its all over the net as far as i can see. Try Congresscheck.com...Its a congress blog and what all is going on there.

If you need further proof that everything you hear on the internet is true, just see the Jesus statue that homosexuals destroyed with a laser beam from outer space.

Jorddyn

03-23-2009, 04:22 PM

I personally got the email from a local NRA rep as well as some law enforcement buddies....But your welcome to research it all you want...its all over the net as far as i can see. Try Congresscheck.com...Its a congress blog and what all is going on there.

It's all over BLOGS on the net. And since you're the one who came in declaring a forwarded email as fact, burden of proof falls on you my friend. Local NRA guy doesn't count as a reliable source - sorry.

Jorddyn

03-23-2009, 04:23 PM

If you need further proof that everything you hear on the internet is true, just see the Jesus statue that homosexuals destroyed with a laser beam from outer space.

I heard it was an aborted-baby beam, actually.

CrystalTears

03-23-2009, 04:36 PM

This is the best I can find...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban

Urban policy agenda of President Obama

Shortly after the November 4, 2008 election (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008), Change.gov (http://www.change.gov/), the website of the office of President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama), listed a detailed agenda for the forthcoming administration. This includes "making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent."[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban#cite_note-13) This statement was originally published on Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama)'s campaign website, BarackObama.com (http://www.barackobama.com/).[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban#cite_note-14) When President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) took office on January 20, 2009, the agenda statement was moved to the administration's website, WhiteHouse.gov (http://www.whitehouse.gov/), with its verbiage intact.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban#cite_note-15)[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban#cite_note-16)

On February 25th, 2009, the newly sworn-in Attorney General, Eric Holder, repeated the Obama Administration's desire to reinstate the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban#cite_note-17) The mention came in response to a question, about 20 minutes into to a joint press conference with DEA Acting Administrator Michele Leonhart, discussing efforts to crack down on Mexican drug cartels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War). Attorney General Holder said: "[...]there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons."[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban#cite_note-18)

Jorddyn

03-23-2009, 04:47 PM

Buy your stuff now guys...its going to start getting in short supply....In just the last few weeks ive seen the price of M4 and Ar15 style rifles go up in my area.

I wonder who on earth would benefit from this "OBAMA WANTS OUR GUNS" fear.

:thinking:

Stanley Burrell

03-23-2009, 04:54 PM

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6414/poster97529098.png

Parkbandit

03-23-2009, 05:14 PM

I wonder who on earth would benefit from this "OBAMA WANTS OUR GUNS" fear.

:thinking:

Yea, because there's no way it could be because in his short government career, Obama has a pretty clear record on guns and gun control. It MUST be those evil doers at the NRA!

Stanley Burrell

03-23-2009, 05:23 PM

Yea, because there's no way it could be because in his short government career, Obama has a pretty clear record on guns and gun control. It MUST be those evil doers at the NRA!

Totally.

Seriously though, what isn't the awesomest thing in the world about an economic crisis paired with a bunch of hicks frantically forfeiting their muscatel and meth dollars on firearms? Don't they all home-school their kids once they're done banging their sisters anyway? C'mon.

I flee.

Warriorbird

03-23-2009, 05:27 PM

I totally need sniper rifles to hunt deer! Really!

That aside... this is something that I'm sure Kaine, Easley, and their ilk already had a talk with Obama over. It hasn't even been proposed.

Stanley Burrell

03-23-2009, 05:28 PM

Seriously though, what isn't the awesomest thing in the world about an economic crisis paired with a bunch of hicks frantically forfeiting their muscatel and meth dollars on firearms? Don't they all home-school their kids once they're done banging their sisters anyway? C'mon.

And to be fair, how are all the racial minority rappers going to spit sick rhymes about busting DOT .380s when their Ingram M-10s get pulled off the shelves? :unfair:

Keller

03-23-2009, 05:32 PM

Yea, because there's no way it could be because in his short government career, Obama has a pretty clear record on guns and gun control. It MUST be those evil doers at the NRA!

Let me get this straight . . .

Gore invented Global Warming as a get rich scheme, but the NRA has access to Obama's agenda and isn't just trying to promote their cause?

It's a pretty simple economic concept. Construct a potential limit on supply, increase demand.

To be clear, Obama is not gun-friendly. But I don't see how you go from (a) Obama is no gun-friendly, to (b) This list is accurate. Surely you can see the tremendous potential, not only to sell guns, but also to rally a base, in providing an unaccountable source for this list.

Stanley Burrell

03-23-2009, 05:34 PM

That aside... this is something that I'm sure Kaine, Easley, and their ilk already had a talk with Obama over. It hasn't even been proposed.

Uh, hello?

This is just another example-made-true by the Obama administration further ruining our great nation after taking office. First it was our perfect economy, then the strong dollar. Next it will be our white womenz.

Jorddyn

03-23-2009, 05:46 PM

Yea, because there's no way it could be because in his short government career, Obama has a pretty clear record on guns and gun control. It MUST be those evil doers at the NRA!

Actually, I wasn't suggesting the NRA would profit from the fear and fake list.

Gun prices rise - seems like a good deal for gun manufacturers and vendors to me. Though you're right, it also might be a boon to NRA membership.

Warriorbird

03-23-2009, 05:51 PM

And to be fair, how are all the racial minority rappers going to spit sick rhymes about busting DOT .380s when their Ingram M-10s get pulled off the shelves? :unfair:

Lil Kim already pretty much killed the .380 line.

Stanley Burrell

03-23-2009, 06:00 PM

Lil Kim already pretty much killed the .380 line.

Word to the single black female mother.

But to get back on subject, you're totally going to see these filthy hippy socialists redistributing the wealth and allowing absurd mortgage overdrawing and causing all sorts of economic catastrophes. Bastards.

Back

03-23-2009, 06:35 PM

Actually, I wasn't suggesting the NRA would profit from the fear and fake list.

Gun prices rise - seems like a good deal for gun manufacturers and vendors to me. Though you're right, it also might be a boon to NRA membership.

That sounds really familiar for some reason. Create an impression that quantities are going fast. Call within the next twenty minutes for this special offer.

Parkbandit

03-23-2009, 06:40 PM

Let me get this straight . . .

Gore invented Global Warming as a get rich scheme, but the NRA has access to Obama's agenda and isn't just trying to promote their cause?

It's a pretty simple economic concept. Construct a potential limit on supply, increase demand.

To be clear, Obama is not gun-friendly. But I don't see how you go from (a) Obama is no gun-friendly, to (b) This list is accurate. Surely you can see the tremendous potential, not only to sell guns, but also to rally a base, in providing an unaccountable source for this list.

Where did I state that the list was accurate again? Re-read what I posted... this time do it without having a preconceived notion of what you THINK I posted.. just read it in it's context.

Keller

03-23-2009, 07:04 PM

Where did I state that the list was accurate again? Re-read what I posted... this time do it without having a preconceived notion of what you THINK I posted.. just read it in it's context.

OP: OMG OBAMA BANNING GUNZ!!! Buy them now! Prices are only going up!

Jorddyn: I wonder if this is propoganda to raise the demand for guns?

PB: GOSH! Idiot. You would think it was the NRA. In fact, Obama is anti-gun.

Me: What makes you think that the NRA wouldn't make up this list? Sure, Obama is anti-gun -- but the NRA still has a boatload of benefit to circulating this list.

Parkbandit

03-23-2009, 07:39 PM

So you couldn't get past the "preconceived" part.

Great.

Keller

03-23-2009, 08:00 PM

So you couldn't get past the "preconceived" part.

Great.

Maybe you could explain what you meant.

We were talking about the proposed banned gun list. What were you talking about?

Parkbandit

03-23-2009, 09:06 PM

Maybe you could explain what you meant.

We were talking about the proposed banned gun list. What were you talking about?

Context is everything. First was this post:

I wonder who on earth would benefit from this "OBAMA WANTS OUR GUNS" fear.

:thinking:

Jorddyn was implying that it didn't have anything to do with Obama's political voting record on guns and it had everything to do with profits.

I simply offered another alternative.

Has nothing to do with the list.. really has nothing to do with the NRA, Walmart, Winchester or Billy's Gun and Tackle Shop. I offered that perhaps it's because of Obama's voting record that people are purchasing guns and ammunition. It was why I got my concealed weapons permit and it's why I purchased another gun and more ammunition. I'm thinking that I might just be the typical gun purchaser that simply wants to be prepared in the event that the laws suddenly change.

Warriorbird

03-23-2009, 09:09 PM

Here I thought you were the typical paranoid wacko prepping for 'Red Dawn' with Khariz.

:D

Parkbandit

03-23-2009, 09:34 PM

Here I thought

I found the problem... your post actually proves the opposite.

:)

Gan

03-23-2009, 09:40 PM

I totally need sniper rifles to hunt deer! Really!

Real men hunt deer Rambo style.

One knife and a tree.

Mano a deero.

I like shooting high powered rifles for the coolness of a tight grouping at 100/300+ yds.

Marksmanship FTMFW

Asha

03-23-2009, 09:49 PM

There shouldn't be gun bans.
A gun with the power to shoot one bullet, at deadly velocity, should be as equal as a gun given to military personnel.
You shouldn't own them. Not because you can't control them so much, because how many more are in circulation and how little gross demand would there be for them if it was illegal to legal?

Asha

03-23-2009, 09:51 PM

and when it comes to the internet I'm serious

Stanley Burrell

03-23-2009, 10:18 PM

Real men hunt deer Rambo style.

One knife and a tree.

Mano a deero.

I like shooting high powered rifles for the coolness of a tight grouping at 100/300+ yds.

Marksmanship FTMFW

I have the lifetime goal, uh, as far as hunting goes, of sneaking up to a fish in a shallow and impaling it on my butterfly knife.

So far, I've noticed when I do this, people say weird things like, "Can you stop, please?" And "You're scaring me." And this is not made up, unfortunately.

Warriorbird

03-23-2009, 10:44 PM

There's a difference between a 30 ought and a Dragunov. You can do long range shooting just fine with the first.

I'm not in favor of this "ban" and I think that Obama's been talked out of it way back. It is, however, entertaining how some folks think that their more extreme brethren don't practice fearmongering (for profit or not) however.

Gan

03-23-2009, 11:15 PM

I have the lifetime goal, uh, as far as hunting goes, of sneaking up to a fish in a shallow and impaling it on my butterfly knife.

So far, I've noticed when I do this, people say weird things like, "Can you stop, please?" And "You're scaring me." And this is not made up, unfortunately.

Sneaking up on the Koi at the Japanese Garden restaurant doesnt count...

Gan

03-23-2009, 11:19 PM

http://www.dragunov.net/owners/mizar_sm.jpg

On www.dragunov.net (http://www.dragunov.net) no less.

:lol:

Asha

03-24-2009, 12:35 AM

:lol: Firearms.
I love how you're all allowed a blaster.
I think it's disgusting.

Celephais

03-24-2009, 12:36 AM

... is that a drunken attempt at a hiaku?

Ignot

03-24-2009, 12:44 AM

They can't take away my prison shank.

AnticorRifling

03-24-2009, 09:07 AM

I went to the Indy 1500 Gun and Knife Show over the weekend and I was cracking up at the conspiracy theories and "facts" that were tossed around by guys in sleeveless t-shirts and camo pants. I made several friends by commenting on the fact that we were inside, in a convention hall, and there was no woods or charlie around so camo was pretty gay. You can always tell the guys that never served in the military, they're the ones always wearing the military surplus gear in civilian settings.

That being said prices have gone up because of this fear mongering. I was talking to one dealer and he offered me some stupid money for my CZs.

Before you believe the hype sent from an NRA buddy, or a law enforcement buddy, wait until you see the list sent from your congressmen buddy.

Paradii

03-24-2009, 10:05 AM

I have the lifetime goal, uh, as far as hunting goes, of sneaking up to a fish in a shallow and impaling it on my butterfly knife.

So far, I've noticed when I do this, people say weird things like, "Can you stop, please?" And "You're scaring me." And this is not made up, unfortunately.

I've had to fish once with a bamboo rod with a swiss army knife duct taped to it, but that was because my three-prong broke.

Didn't have much luck, but the set up worked pretty well later in the evening when I was prawning.

AnticorRifling

03-24-2009, 10:46 AM

I've had to fish once with a bamboo rod with a swiss army knife duct taped to it, but that was because my three-prong broke.

Didn't have much luck, but the set up worked pretty well later in the evening when I was prawning.
You do realize that if you had duct tape and a knife you could have made another 3 prong to tape on to the end of that bamboo right?

Paradii

03-24-2009, 10:51 AM

You do realize that if you had duct tape and a knife you could have made another 3 prong to tape on to the end of that bamboo right?

It's complicated. Not only did the rubber band break, the original prongs were in shit condition and weren't penetrating anymore. So, I said fucks it! I am using a god damn stick.

I guess it wasn't very complicated.

Keller

03-24-2009, 11:17 AM

Jorddyn was implying that it didn't have anything to do with Obama's political voting record on guns and it had everything to do with profits.

I simply offered another alternative.

Has nothing to do with the list.. really has nothing to do with the NRA, Walmart, Winchester or Billy's Gun and Tackle Shop. I offered that perhaps it's because of Obama's voting record that people are purchasing guns and ammunition. It was why I got my concealed weapons permit and it's why I purchased another gun and more ammunition. I'm thinking that I might just be the typical gun purchaser that simply wants to be prepared in the event that the laws suddenly change.

(1) Jorddyn was implying that there were people with a profit motive.

(2) You inferrred that the list didn't have anything to do with Obama's voting record.

(3) How can a discrete list of firearms be gleened from a voting record?

Parkbandit

03-24-2009, 11:22 AM

(1) Jorddyn was implying that there were people with a profit motive.

(2) You inferrred that the list didn't have anything to do with Obama's voting record.

(3) How can a discrete list of firearms be gleened from a voting record?

](1) Jorddyn was implying that there were people with a profit motive.

(2) Parkbandit was implying that maybe it was Obama's past voting record against guns that was driving people to purchase guns.

(3) Parkbandit never, ever addressed the list of firearms.

(4) Keller needs to stop looking for something that he THINKS is there, but clearly isn't.

AnticorRifling

03-24-2009, 12:12 PM

(5) Weiner

Ignot

03-24-2009, 12:43 PM

(6) Boobs

Jorddyn

03-24-2009, 12:47 PM

(1) Jorddyn was implying that there were people with a profit motive.

(2) Parkbandit was implying that maybe it was Obama's past voting record against guns that was driving people to purchase guns.

These two work nicely together. Which was my point. Obama has a history of voting for gun control. Someone puts out a list of "guns to be banned", even though it's speculation at best and a flat out lie at worst. Someone profits.

Parkbandit

03-24-2009, 12:57 PM

These two work nicely together. Which was my point. Obama has a history of voting for gun control. Someone puts out a list of "guns to be banned", even though it's speculation at best and a flat out lie at worst. Someone profits.

I agree.

Jorddyn

03-24-2009, 01:08 PM

I agree.

I'm beginning to think the Mayans were right...

Parkbandit

03-24-2009, 01:10 PM

I'm beginning to think the Mayans were right...

2012 is just around the corner...

DeV

03-24-2009, 02:01 PM

Ignot

03-24-2009, 02:06 PM

The girlfriend and I were visiting her family in North Florida last week and her dad was prepared to give me his gorgeous Sig Saur 9mm from a wide collection of firearms he has no use for. He'll trade one occasionally for golf clubs or other nifty gadgets, but he let me pick from 3 and I immediately fell in love. However, we've decided to wait to transfer registration due to the current ban in Chicago and the fact that if I register another gun in my name I want to be able to have it in my home in the city.

Then my girlfriend and I had wild sex that was awesome. Afterwards, I took a shower and then all my big titty girlfriends came over and jumped in the shower with me. We soaped each other up and just had a blast! After being so clean we decided to get dirty so all of us went outside naked and mud wrestled, then we came inside and had a dirty mud orgy.

I'm seriouly beginning to hold the mindset that the gun debate is more political fodder than anything. Count yourself fortunate if you live in a state that allows you to legally register your gun as well as the ability to have it in your home. The states with conceal carry are even more fortunate.

Then my girlfriend and I had wild sex that was awesome. Afterwards, I took a shower and then all my girlfriends came over and jumped in the shower with me. We soaped each other up and just had a blast! After being so clean we decided to get dirty so all of us went outside naked and mud wrestled, then we came inside and had a dirty mud orgy.

/rant

Fixed. Why do you always leave out the good stuff??

Parkbandit

03-24-2009, 02:36 PM

Jorddyn

03-24-2009, 02:46 PM

Thanks to the gun ban in Chicago, crime is almost non-existant though... you ingrate.

This would obviously change if DeV were given a gun.

DeV

03-24-2009, 04:44 PM

Fixed. Why do you always leave out the good stuff??Hahaha, awesome fix.

And it's because you always put in the good stuff.

DeV

03-24-2009, 05:08 PM

Thanks to the gun ban in Chicago, crime is almost non-existant though... you ingrate.

Which model Sig?I wasn't sure which one, but I knew it was from the 200 line.

One text message later and it's a P229.

He bought the gun specifically so he could have a model similar to my gf's sister who carries one as a federal park ranger. It was the most compat and lightweight of the 3 and is a near perfect fit for me.

Latrinsorm

03-24-2009, 05:54 PM

Thanks to the gun ban in Chicago, crime is almost non-existant though... you ingrate.
Murder/manslaughter and property crime rates (reported by the Chicago police) are down substantially (about half and 80% since 1980). I don't currently take a position on whether gun bans work, but I thought the data might help the conversation. :)

Keller

03-24-2009, 05:55 PM

Murder/manslaughter and property crime rates (reported by the Chicago police) are down substantially (about half and 80% since 1980). I don't currently take a position on whether gun bans work, but I thought the data might help the conversation. :)

Our opinions have no use for your data.

Get lost.

Jorddyn

03-24-2009, 06:04 PM

Our opinions have no use for your data.

Get lost.

Freakonomics.

Latrinsorm

03-24-2009, 06:13 PM

Would it change your mind if I let you know that the source for this data is the Lord???

Celephais

03-24-2009, 06:19 PM

It's complicated. Not only did the rubber break, the original prongs were in shit and weren't penetrating anymore. So, I said fucks it! I am using a god damn stick.

I guess it wasn't very complicated.
You don't say...

Keller

03-24-2009, 06:26 PM

Would it change your mind if I let you know that the source for this data is the Lord???

Sauron?

Jorddyn

03-24-2009, 06:27 PM

Would it change your mind if I let you know that the source for this data is the Lord???

I was unaware that he did statistical analysis.

Figured he'd be out inventing animals or talking to people in tin foil hats...

Keller

03-24-2009, 06:34 PM

I was unaware that he did statistical analysis.

Figured he'd be out inventing animals or talking to people in tin foil hats...

He's plotting his revenge on the homosexuals.

LeDru

03-24-2009, 06:34 PM

Ha, I own a gun on the banned gun list.

Awesome.

holy crap i own four on that list and one questionable shotgun. so probably five.

Keller

03-24-2009, 06:48 PM

holy crap i own four on that list and one questionable shotgun. so probably five.

I think the import of my statement is that I'm a city-dwelling yuppie liberal professional.

Parkbandit

03-24-2009, 08:17 PM

I wasn't sure which one, but I knew it was from the 200 line.

One text message later and it's a P229.

He bought the gun specifically so he could have a model similar to my gf's sister who carries one as a federal park ranger. It was the most compat and lightweight of the 3 and is a near perfect fit for me.

http://wb5.itrademarket.com/pdimage/86/351786_kjw-kp02-l.jpg

A little small for my tastes, but it's a sweet looking piece.

Gan

03-24-2009, 08:35 PM

Sauron?

Voldemort?

Warriorbird

03-24-2009, 08:48 PM

I think the import of my statement is that I'm a city-dwelling yuppie liberal professional.

If you're a yuppie does that make PB an ouppie?

Parkbandit

03-24-2009, 08:50 PM

If you're a yuppie does that make PB an ouppie?

Not really sure. The one thing that is certain though.. it still makes you an idiot.

Warriorbird

03-24-2009, 08:58 PM

I'm just utterly leveled by your wit there. Yeah.

Wasn't this thread about you trying to dodge the idea that 'Republican forces' could profit off of fear-mongering about a weapons ban that probably won't happen?

I'm not feeling too bad right about now. Not when we have pretty much impartial folks talking about how people are being whipped into a frenzy at gun shows.

It is totally about Obama's 'anti gun stance.' Really!

Parkbandit

03-24-2009, 09:11 PM

Ignot

03-24-2009, 09:29 PM

Another case of reading comprehension issues. So you were that kid that was left behind... good to know.

According to you everyone on these boards has reading comprehension issues. You say this in almost every thread.

Back

03-24-2009, 10:39 PM

According to you everyone on these boards has reading comprehension issues. You say this in almost every thread.

Its a defense mechanism.

Parkbandit

03-24-2009, 11:32 PM

According to you everyone on these boards has reading comprehension issues. You say this in almost every thread.

Really Captain Hyperbole? Almost every thread?

Much like any point you've ever made in any political thread.. empty and full of nothing.

Ignot

03-25-2009, 02:06 AM

Really Captain Hyperbole? Almost every thread?

Much like any point you've ever made in any political thread.. empty and full of nothing.

I think I figured something out and it makes perfect sense now. PB is actually a woman! Think about it. He is always bitchy, he is extremely sensitive, he likes to start arguments, and he always has to get the last word in. :yes: Can you please clear the sand out of your vagina, PB?

Anyways, since you can't control yourself in getting the last word in I took the liberty of posting a response to my comment on your behalf so you can just copy and paste it. I'm pretty sure it is spot on what you would say.

PB:
"Are you serious? Is it possible you could get any dumber? Look here little boy, why don't you leave the grown ups to talk about politics and you just go back to posting funny pictures. Clearly, the conversations in these threads are well beyond your reading comprehension."

Back

03-25-2009, 03:03 AM

"Are you serious? Is it possible you could get any dumber? Look here little boy, why don't you leave the grown ups to talk about politics and you just go back to posting funny pictures. Clearly, the conversations in these threads are well beyond your reading comprehension."

rofl

Parkbandit

03-25-2009, 08:26 AM

I think I figured something out and it makes perfect sense now. PB is actually a woman! Think about it. He is always bitchy, he is extremely sensitive, he likes to start arguments, and he always has to get the last word in. :yes: Can you please clear the sand out of your vagina, PB?

Anyways, since you can't control yourself in getting the last word in I took the liberty of posting a response to my comment on your behalf so you can just copy and paste it. I'm pretty sure it is spot on what you would say.

PB:
"Are you serious? Is it possible you could get any dumber? Look here little boy, why don't you leave the grown ups to talk about politics and you just go back to posting funny pictures. Clearly, the conversations in these threads are well beyond your reading comprehension."

OMG! I've never, ever heard that before on these boards. Clean the sand out of your vagina to a guy! Holy shit, that's some original stuff there. You don't mind if I take your genius originality and use it later on, do you? It's amazing how you come up with this new stuff ALL the time.

Clove

03-25-2009, 09:10 AM

That's hilarious. My family has several firearms on that ban list.

Kuyuk

03-25-2009, 10:41 AM

http://www.break.com/index/hot-woman-deals-with-home-invasion.html

This is why we needent not ban guns

Fallen

03-25-2009, 10:43 AM

http://www.break.com/index/hot-woman-deals-with-home-invasion.html

This is why we needent not ban guns

Exactly. Hell, Scream would have been a better movie too.

Ignot

03-25-2009, 10:52 AM

Clean the sand out of your vagina to a guy!

I believe I clearly stated I think you are a woman.

Parkbandit

03-25-2009, 11:02 AM

I believe I clearly stated I think you are a woman.

If this is your twisted way of getting me to send you a picture of my schlong, you are wasting your time. I like the ladies.

Sean of the Thread

03-25-2009, 12:28 PM

http://wb5.itrademarket.com/pdimage/86/351786_kjw-kp02-l.jpg

A little small for my tastes, but it's a sweet looking piece.

I've carried a p229 for years and it's actually not as compact as you may think and can the .357 p229 can swap barrels out to .40s&w if you prefer.

the p229 is by far my favorite pistol ever carried/owned.

I would suggest buying/installing some hogue rubber grips however. Huge difference. You can also upgrade the springs for better action and less recoil.

.357sig auto round is a mean mother fucker.

*I also owned one in 9mm but sold it. Higher capacity but it's just not a .357 :P

TheRunt

03-25-2009, 10:07 PM

That list is pretty much the same as the 2007 awb bill

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1022

And on the whitehouse.gov website it still lists Obama and Biden supporting a AWB and closing the "Gun show loophole"

Apotheosis

03-26-2009, 01:45 AM

they're taking my dragunov over my cold dead body..

Apotheosis

03-26-2009, 10:17 AM

ok... FYI - many of the weapons listed in this "alleged list" already have some restrictions on them... others were part of the "assault weapon" ban that expired in 2004.

Eric Holder has mentioned that he wants to make the ban permanent.

Parkbandit

03-26-2009, 10:24 AM

Fearmonger. Obviously you are in the pocket of big gunmakers.

Apotheosis

03-26-2009, 12:13 PM

Fearmonger. Obviously you are in the pocket of big gunmakers.

Actually.. rofl.. I did some research on the ATF's website, pulled some info from Wikipedia.... so..

yeah, technically speaking, those are weapons that the Attorney General would like to permanently ban ownership of...

Truthfully, some of those weapons do not have any business in civilian hands, IMO..

TheRunt

03-26-2009, 08:41 PM

Truthfully, some of those weapons do not have any business in civilian hands, IMO..

Can I ask which ones, And why you think that?

Apotheosis

03-26-2009, 08:48 PM

Can I ask which ones, And why you think that?

I am not a fan of fully automatic pistols, like the tec-dc29, uzi, tec-22 scorpion.... clearly, they're almost skirting the machine gun ban..

umm.. the street-sweepers are semi-automatic shotguns which could easily be converted to fully automatic shotguns....

Streetsweepers, or more specifically, the striker-12 (And some other semi-auto shotgun) are already classified as "destructive devices" by the ATF..

actually, most of those guns could technically undergo modifications to make them fully automatic....

the Thompson guns as well.. unless it's for collectible purposes..

for the most part, from a cosmetic standpoint, these guns look dangerous... from a functional standpoint, they're not too different than certain legal semi-auto rifles.. so I think the list should be thrown out.. with a few exceptions.

Apotheosis

03-26-2009, 08:54 PM

I wouldn't mind adding a fn/fal to my collection, though.. :-D

TheRunt

03-26-2009, 09:08 PM

I am not a fan of fully automatic pistols, like the tec-dc29, uzi, tec-22 scorpion.... clearly, they're almost skirting the machine gun ban..

umm.. the street-sweepers are semi-automatic shotguns which could easily be converted to fully automatic shotguns....

Streetsweepers, or more specifically, the striker-12 (And some other semi-auto shotgun) are already classified as "destructive devices" by the ATF..

actually, most of those guns could technically undergo modifications to make them fully automatic....

the Thompson guns as well.. unless it's for collectible purposes..

for the most part, from a cosmetic standpoint, these guns look dangerous... from a functional standpoint, they're not too different than certain legal semi-auto rifles.. so I think the list should be thrown out.. with a few exceptions.

For the uzi and tec pistols. They are semi-auto pistols at least all of them manufactured for civilian use since may 19 1986, since no full auto made after that date can be legally purchased or owned by a civilian. And the street sweeper/striker 12 can be easily converted to full auto? Those are 12 shot shotguns that function the same as a revolver. How do you convert a revolver to a full auto?

And from a functional standpoint they are the exact same as any other semi-auto rifle. You pull the trigger, one bullet fires.

What I find funny is that in 07 in the proposed ban they made sure to include hi-point carbines by name. The only thing on them that makes them a "assault weapon" is the pistol grip. They come in 9mm luger and .40 smith calibers. The magazines only hold 10 rds. (there is one company that makes a 15rd mag for them but from what I've heard they don't function worth a crap) But they only cost about $200 and they are pretty reliable. Why do you think they would get named specifically?

Apotheosis

03-26-2009, 09:12 PM

right.. no idea why i said that about the shotguns..

and I realize the uzi + tec's are semi-auto pistols, however, I'm pretty sure they could easily be converted to fully auto.. same with most of the rifles..

I have no idea why they would name these rifles specifically, except that the majority of them were originally developed for military purposes, and then adapted for civilian "hunting" & "personal defense" purposes...

i would pretty much assume that they don't want civvies having weapons comparable in power to military grade weaponry, hence the reason they targeted (no pun intended) these specific weapons.

TheRunt

03-26-2009, 11:43 PM

i would pretty much assume that they don't want civvies having weapons comparable in power to military grade weaponry, hence the reason they targeted (no pun intended) these specific weapons.

Well I assume they want the hi-points banned specifically because they are very inexpensive. As for the rest because its easier to ban "assault weapons" than what most people consider sporting arms. And once they start they just slowly keep expanding the banned gun list. And as for having civvies having weapons comparable in power to the military, how many people do you know that have 40mm grenade launchers, shoulder fired rockets, grenades, etc. And except for the preban full auto. A civilian owned ar-15 is as 'powerful' as a m16 because for the most part they fire a .223 but which one is selective fire. And comparitively speaking a .223 isn't that powerful for a rifle cartridge. And as for being able to convert them to full auto. Well do a search on youtube for 'bumpfire' which can be done with virtually any semi auto.

Apotheosis

03-27-2009, 12:32 AM

AnticorRifling

03-27-2009, 12:47 AM

point taken.. it make sense to control arms through taxation, ammunition control, and price controls....

I believe the city of Chicago recently decided that owners of handguns are required to keep $1,000,000 insurance policies
I hope they require bee keepers, car owners, and people that don't salt their sidewalks to keep the same policy.

It would make more sense to penalize the people that misuse their shit instead of making all of us pay for the retards. Stiffen the penalties make it actually mean something to misuse or abuse your right as opposed to penalizing those of us that exercise our right.

Apotheosis

03-27-2009, 12:57 AM

that's ok.. when Obama comes to take our guns, we're gonna be there to stop him and then america will be a better place for all god fearing christians who also cling to the bible

/tinfoil /extreme sarcasm

Sean of the Thread

03-27-2009, 09:35 AM

Any semi auto rifle or pistol can be made full auto in about 5 seconds.

That being said shotguns? Seriously? .223 rounds are not a serious round either.

the AKM/s etc that fire the 7.62 x54 /39 etc do some serious damage but it's no worse than any standard .308 rifle or 30/30 off the shelf with the exception that the latter is most likely bolt action as opposed to semi auto.

Other than the power these ak's /sks etc kick out the automatic bullshit needs to die. I doubt 99.9% of the average citizen could handle 3 shot bursts let alone full auto... they would be shooting the moon and nothing else.

Lol that being said converting a ruger 10/22 with extended magazines makes for a fun full auto. Surprised that's not on the list considering it's a .22 round and can be fired full auto into a like a 5 inch grouping. That would fuck anybody up.

Why not add pellet rifles to the list? A pellet from a ben-sheridan at 100 yards can disable a jet ffs.

This is a very badly thought out plan.