DUI

[Laccon]

So on St. Patricks day i got a dui....had one to many beers and a couple shots and i fell asleep on my way home and crashed into a couple trees on the oposite side of the road....and just my luck i come out without a scratch on me...Obv get arrested and now i have a totalled car and a DUI charge...now i didn't take a breathalizer but i did do field sobrity and failed and also in the report says i admitted to drinking....So my question is anyone know likely what i'll get? i'm only 19 so underaged drinking as well...Im thinking loss of license for a year and prohibation for a year unsupervised maybe? Oh and BTW dont drive drunk...lessen learned

[thefarmer]

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[NocturnalRob]

i'm only 19 so underaged drinking as well
your profile says you're 30. either way, you're a fucking retard.
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[Jorddyn]

So my question is anyone know likely what i'll get? i'm only 19 so underaged drinking as well...Im thinking loss of license for a year and prohibation for a year unsupervised maybe?


Depends in large part where you're located, any other arrests on your record, and just how drunk you were. Where I am, you'd probably get 48 hours in jail + court costs + probation costs + loss of license for 1 year (with work permit allowed after 30 days). Expensive lesson, but luckily you didn't kill anyone. Don't be so stupid again. You can take a lot of cab rides for the cost of 1 DUI.

[SolitareConfinement]

lets see if you're in michigan you're fucked just a little less than ohio....

minimum 12 month suspension of license in full (as in no work privledges), fines, court costs, 90 days in jail, X amount of hours in AA, X amount of community service hours, plus 12-18months of probation...and the first 3 months gotta take a breathalizer twice daily......if anyone comes to michigan and happens to get a first offense....welcome home! rofl... i've never had one and don't ever plan on getting one as i refuse to drive when i've been drinking *shrugs*

[Paradii]

BTW dont drive drunk...lessen learned

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What an ass.

[Sean of the Thread]

So on St. Patricks day i got a dui....had one to many beers and a couple shots and i fell asleep on my way home and crashed into a couple trees on the oposite side of the road....and just my luck i come out without a scratch on me...Obv get arrested and now i have a totalled car and a DUI charge...now i didn't take a breathalizer but i did do field sobrity and failed and also in the report says i admitted to drinking....So my question is anyone know likely what i'll get? i'm only 19 so underaged drinking as well...Im thinking loss of license for a year and prohibation for a year unsupervised maybe? Oh and BTW dont drive drunk...lessen learned



If you were really trashed not taking the breathalyzer was a wise move as a high BAC can severely up the penalties. Not blowing in florida results in an automatic DMV 1 year suspension. The judge will give you another suspension ranging from 6 months to whatever the law allows.

Your car is totalled so it won't have to be impounded.

They may require you to install and maintain an interlock device at your own expense as well.

Not sure what state you're in but field sobriety tests can't be submitted as evidence here.

Your mistake was talking to them period.

Your probation will likely be a once a month visit to a more than likely salvation army correctional counselor to make sure you're keeping up with your orders.

You did some damage to property so you'll most likely have to pay restitution as well.

Dui school is going to cost you around 200-300 as well.

Alcohol evaluation... pretty much whatever you say they're going to make you take the 3 month worth of classes and maybe attend a victim impact panel.

Just dress well and be more polite then the hoodrats in the courtroom. Shirt and tie etc and the judge may give you minimum allowed but from the sounds of the crash most likely not.

Get a bus pass you're going to need it and learn the system. Also try to buy monthly bus passes from the bums at the main terminal. They get them from social security cheap and they'll take like half the price for them.

And yes don't drink and drive. Or drive on prescribed medication that says caution while using machinery. And next time any bump with the law know your rights or have a card with them on them and just hand it to the officer.

[Sean of the Thread]

Oh and keep your shit out of any and all trouble while on probation. Just being charged with anything will violate your probation no conviction needed.

Look your states statutes up and my advice would be not to pay for an attorney just use a PD.

[Ignot]

your profile says you're 30. either way, you're a fucking retard.
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lol




If you were really trashed not taking the breathalyzer was a wise move as a high BAC can severely up the penalties. Not blowing in florida results in an automatic DMV 1 year suspension. The judge will give you another suspension ranging from 6 months to whatever the law allows.

Your car is totalled so it won't have to be impounded.

They may require you to install and maintain an interlock device at your own expense as well.

Not sure what state you're in but field sobriety tests can't be submitted as evidence here.

Your mistake was talking to them period.

Your probation will likely be a once a month visit to a more than likely salvation army correctional counselor to make sure you're keeping up with your orders.

You did some damage to property so you'll most likely have to pay restitution as well.

Dui school is going to cost you around 200-300 as well.

Alcohol evaluation... pretty much whatever you say they're going to make you take the 3 month worth of classes and maybe attend a victim impact panel.

Just dress well and be more polite then the hoodrats in the courtroom. Shirt and tie etc and the judge may give you minimum allowed but from the sounds of the crash most likely not.

Get a bus pass you're going to need it and learn the system. Also try to buy monthly bus passes from the bums at the main terminal. They get them from social security cheap and they'll take like half the price for them.

And yes don't drink and drive. Or drive on prescribed medication that says caution while using machinery. And next time any bump with the law know your rights or have a card with them on them and just hand it to the officer.

I would listen to Sean on this one, he is an expert on DUI's.

[Wesley]

You do not need a car to go around places. There is a more environmentally friendly option.

Ride a dinosaur. It is fun, it does not take a license, and it does not use fossil fuels. It IS fossil fuels. Dinosaurs poop oil so you can actually MAKE money riding a dinosaur around. It is a win win scenario.

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[diethx]

So on St. Patricks day i got a dui....had one to many beers and a couple shots and i fell asleep on my way home and crashed into a couple trees on the oposite side of the road....and just my luck i come out without a scratch on me...Obv get arrested and now i have a totalled car and a DUI charge...now i didn't take a breathalizer but i did do field sobrity and failed and also in the report says i admitted to drinking....So my question is anyone know likely what i'll get? i'm only 19 so underaged drinking as well...Im thinking loss of license for a year and prohibation for a year unsupervised maybe? Oh and BTW dont drive drunk...lessen learned

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[Kuyuk]

<Originally Posted by Laccon
So on St. Patricks day i got a dui....had one to many beers and a couple shots and i fell asleep on my way home and crashed into a couple trees on the oposite side of the road....and just my luck i come out without a scratch on me...Obv get arrested and now i have a totalled car and a DUI charge...now i didn't take a breathalizer but i did do field sobrity and failed and also in the report says i admitted to drinking....So my question is anyone know likely what i'll get? i'm only 19 so underaged drinking as well...Im thinking loss of license for a year and prohibation for a year unsupervised maybe? Oh and BTW dont drive drunk...lessen learned>



I wish this is what this thread really started as...



<Originally Posted by Laccon
So on St. Patricks day The player behind Laccon had one to many beers and a couple shots and fell asleep on his way home and crashed into a couple trees on the oposite side of the road....and just his luck was the only person injured...Obviously would have gotten arrested had he lived...

So my question is anyone feel like sending flowers? He was only 19.

Oh and BTW dont drive drunk...lessen learned>



Unfortunately, it didn't.


Oh, and yeah, I'd take Sean's word as gold on this one.. Shit, might want to hire him as a lawyer, it'll give him a job, and he knows enough about DUI's to suffice..

[diethx]

I think what he did was one of the stupidest things you can do.

And I still don't wish he died from it, heh. A nice long stint in prison would make me happy. :)

[Back]

I think what he did was one of the stupidest things you can do.

And I still don't wish he died from it, heh. A nice long stint in prison would make me happy. :)

For serious.

I’m gonna say the kid’s got cohones to man up and own it. Plus for posting that here when we all know its a troll’s wet-dream to comment on stuff like this.

Yes it was stupid. Thank the forces of nature that you and everyone else are alive and intact. Learn from it and go forward.

Because if there is a next time you might not get so lucky and you will in fact see jail time.

[kookiegod]

They should bring back the whipping post for first time offenders, that will learn you right.

Singapore canes ftw.

Seriously dude, you can end your life, you can end other families hopes and dreams. I drove once and a bit buzzed and I passed the tests, I got the lecture of a lifetime, and I never have since. Get a cab, wake up a friend to come get you, walk, ask the bartender to drive you home, whatever it takes.

Heck, I got rides from random strangers, and I've woken up friends and family to come get me when I couldn't find a ride or a cab.

The life you save may be your own or someone elses.

~Paul

[Euler]

The life you save may be your own or someone elses.

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[SHAFT]

I've been very fortunate over the years that nothing has happened to me, but I admit to driving under the influence many times. Nothing recently, but back in high school quite a bit.

I just quite drinking 3 weeks ago so I'm good.

DUI's wil fuck your life up. One of my employees got one a year ago and its made his life a living hell. Good luck.

[Drew]

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Is that QFT or "Your statement is so stupid that I can only respond with ellipses"?

[Paradii]

I've been very fortunate over the years that nothing has happened to me, but I admit to driving under the influence many times. Nothing recently, but back in high school quite a bit.

I just quite drinking 3 weeks ago so I'm good.

DUI's wil fuck your life up. One of my employees got one a year ago and its made his life a living hell. Good luck.

Quiting drinking 3 weeks ago = I haven't had a drink in three weeks. Get back to us in five or so years before making such a grand statement.

[Euler]

I was trying to imagine the set of lives you could save that are not in the set of your lives nor the set of lives that are someone elses.

[Jorddyn]

Is that QFT or "Your statement is so stupid that I can only respond with ellipses"?

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[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Is that QFT or "Your statement is so stupid that I can only respond with ellipses"?

Not to nitpick, but an ellipsis is only three dots. I guess I did nitpick. You got served.

[Allereli]

I've been very fortunate over the years that nothing has happened to me

Everyone else is lucky nothing happened to them.

[Drew]

Not to nitpick, but an ellipsis is only three dots. I guess I did nitpick. You got served.

LOL I considered that and I originally wrote "periods" but I tried to take his intentions in mind.

[Drew]

Also to really nitpick, I believe ellipsis just indicate any kind of mark that defines an omission. Three periods is just the most common way to indicate such.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I <3 Ninjawords, but I'm no goddamned gramatician.

ellipsis (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ellipsis)(n) : a mark consisting of three periods, historically with spaces inbetween, before, and after them ( . . . ), used in printing to indicate an omission (http://ninjawords.com/omission); the omission of a grammatically required word or phrase that can be implied. For example, He is faster than she. (Here, a trailing "is fast" is omitted, grammatically required, and implied.)

http://ninjawords.com/

[Drew]

I'll see your ninjawords and raise you dictionary.com:



2. Printing. a mark or marks as ——, …, or * * *, to indicate an omission or suppression of letters or words.

Boom, put it on the glass.

[Euler]

just to clear up what was originally intended. It was actually a drawing of ants on their way to a dino-picinic hosted by my dear sweet westly. Sadly, they get squashed by a drunk driver before they get to the potato salad.

[diethx]

I'll see your ninjawords and raise you dictionary.com:



Boom, put it on the glass.

That new avatar is the shit. But the cat should be fatter.

[SHAFT]

Quiting drinking 3 weeks ago = I haven't had a drink in three weeks. Get back to us in five or so years before making such a grand statement.

Thanks for raining on my parade. I hope you get nipple cancer.

[Laccon]

Thanks for all the responces and advice to those that gave it. And yes i realize now that it was very stupid of me and i usually do stay at the house im at or find a ride and i honestly couldn't tell you what i was thinking as to why i didn't this time....and to tell you the truth the first couple days i wished i'd had died but now i'm just glad that i lived and nobody got hurt or anything. and ya life is gunna suck for the next year or so but at least i know i've learned my lesson, it'll be the hard way for sure but i have definatly learned it. Dunno if i'll ever even drink again because of it. But again thanks for the responces and advice given so far.

[Kitsun]

Bend over and grab the lube, the state is about to get them some.

[The Ponzzz]

What state are you in, did I miss that somewhere?

In NY you'd be serving time in jail. Pretty sure most states won't let you drive again till you're 25. You're just fucking lucky you didn't kill anyone. The fine is pretty severe as well, seeing you admitted in your statement, you have fucked yourself pretty good for any sort of defense in front of the judge. The amounts of shit you have screwed for yourself career wise is pretty large.

There isn't much to do other than paying a lot of a lawyer to fix it as best as he/she can.

[ZeP]

In NY you'd be serving time in jail. Pretty sure most states won't let you drive again till you're 25.

Heh, in PA if it was a first offense you could get ARD.. It's purpose is to let first time offenders actually get the charge wiped from their record. They attend classes, are probably on some form of probation, etc etc. I know you said "most" states but I'm just pointing out how much it can vary.

Here is a link:

http://www.familylawyerservice.com/ard.htm

notable line: "Everything You Need to Know" to find out how to get into this program, keep your record clean and keep driving!

This makes me want to move away, heh

Edit: I don't think someone under 21 like the OP might be would be eligible for this. I think we have another law that if you drink underage you lose your license even if you were not driving.

[pabstblueribbon]

Well. I thought Missouri was strict. I guess not. You do get fucked, monetarily wise. There is no jail time on a first offense, hell not even a second so long as your first offense get dismissed on completeion of SIS. That suspended imposition of sentence. Basically they sentence you to jail time, but suspend it if you complete usually a 2 year probation (with a 20 dollar fee everytime you go in once a month, and random drug tests) and usually you have to complete a SATOP program. Substance abuse traffic offender. All in all, your lawyer is going to cost you 3000, SATOP, another 1500, 480 in overall probation fees, court costs, and usually a 750 dollar fine. Just under 6 grand. Makes you kind of sick but, when you spell it all out, it saves lives and money hurts us the most usually.

First offense, if you didnt blow, you'd get your license back by appealing to the state. Its pretty much a freebie. Second time, you lose it for 12 months. DWI conviction however, you lose it for 12 anyways, so the general advice here is to not blow. Also, quick tip if you are found in a situation where you are probably over the legal limit but fine to drive and cops are being pricks...

DO NOT BLOW. DO NOT DO FIELD SOBRIETY TESTS.

Field sobriety tests are not tests to see if you're sober. They already know you're not. They are simply gathering evidence on tape to convict you. Simply dont say a fucking thing except I want to talk to my lawyer before I do anything. This will give your lawyer the most leverage for getting you out of hot water since the burden of proof is on the state.

Lastly, regardless if you do complete SIS, it is off your driving record, but not your ARREST record. 3 arrest records of DWI and its a felony here. And you will do jail time.

Good luck, it sucks. Its a hard lesson to learn, you endangered yourself and others and im sure you've kicked yourself plenty. Best advice I can tell you is to suck it up, learn from this, and try in anyway you can to appease the court, because in the end, they're all a bunch of egomaniacs that want their asses kissed and besides, it'll help you if you're sincerely wanting to right your wrongs.

PS Drinking and driving on st patty's day is fucking retarded. Dont you realise how many fucking cops are out? ITS FUCKING ST PATTY'S DAY

[Laccon]

Since everyone keeps asking im in the state of MA, and im pretty sure i'll just lose my licence for a year, maybe 21 since i'm under age as that is what happend to my friend a few years ago but he was 17 and was being a douchebag to the police. As i see it they can't prove i was drunk but they can prove i had a few drinks as apparently i said in my statement sadly.....and there was no property damage as far as i know because i wasnt in anybodies yard. I will get fined for crossing over the lines when i fell asleep, and prohibation fees i'm sure. Depending on how my lawyer does which i havent talked to yet i plan to later today set up a meeting with him, but depending on how he works the case i may not have to take DUI classes and i might be able to get a cynderella licence, which would be fine with me.

[CrystalTears]

but depending on how he works the case i may not have to take DUI classes and i might be able to get a cynderella licence, which would be fine with me.WTF is a cynderella license?

[Laccon]

Cynderella licence allows one to drive to and from work between the hours of like 7am-6pm only.

[Drakefang]

I'm a bit amused by the total spectrum of responses in this thread. When you posted I am sure you knew what was coming.

First off, I am glad you are alive and well. Yes, you already know how stupid it was to do what you did. However, I will not be a hypocrite and say it's something I've never done. People your age feel, even more so when drunk, impervious and invulnerable. Anyone who has ever had more than a couple beers while out at dinner or a bar, then driven, has been just as guilty as you (even if not as excessively as yourself). Which, sadly, is a significant portion of American adults. Part of this is due to lack of public transportation and a host of other things but this isn't the place for a detailed discussion of such.

I hope this does teach you a lesson and encourage you to control your drinking habits. The government (aka The Law) will be sure to reinforce this lesson. The added cost to insurance over your lifetime will probably exceed ANY fines and costs directly associated with your case.

On one hand, you deserve what you get, but on the other hand, again sadly, you are only in the minority because you were caught and most are not. The point being that if it is your first offense, the result should be more in line with Missouri's and less in Line with Michigan's. Let's face it, if you harm or kill someone else while driving drunk, you would be faced with a lot stiffer punishment than a DUI (deservedly so).

I've not had more than one mixed drink or two beers, and driven, in probably 12 years. That probably only occurs two to three times a year. I believe The Law dictates that more alcohol than the above can typically result in a DUI. I've never had a DUI conviction, but I came close once (I was cuffed but released) and as a result, I barely even drink socially.

Best of luck to you since you just used up any you had stored. Be a lot smarter in the future, either don't drink, have a DD or call a cab. Be very glad and thank God you did not harm another person while out being a drunk driver.

[CrystalTears]

Cynderella licence allows one to drive to and from work between the hours of like 7am-6pm only.
Probably a hardship license, and end up putting an ignition lock device on your vehicle.

Good luck with that.

[Sean of the Thread]

Hardship license is an expensive process in florida.

Interlock devices you have to pay for and pay like 80 a month to maintain and blow in them every 45 minutes when using the car.

Have fun.

[thefarmer]

Pabst's post

I'm really not sure why you'd (or anyone would) give advice on how to avoid any punishment for drinking and driving.

Fuck that shit.

I think anyone who drinks and drives should get the book thrown at them (Mandatory jail, suspended license, fines, classes, community service). Getting off easy isn't going to encourage them to *not* drink, IMO. It's not going to encourage their friends, or people that know them, *not* to drink. It's just going to tell them, "Hey, it's ok the first time, just do X and get a slap on the wrist!"

Again, Fuck that shit. I want anyone who drinks and drives to get their lives fucked up as a WARNING PUNCH IN THE FACE not to endanger my family and friends lives, or anyone else's life.

[pabstblueribbon]

I'm really not sure why you'd (or anyone would) give advice on how to avoid any punishment for drinking and driving.
Oddly enough, this is the advice I get from EVERY lawyer I know. Who eventually become judges. Sure says something about our justice system, no?

I dont condone drinking and driving. But im also not a hypocrite. I've done my fair share and learned my lessons the hard way. If you have managed drive for 15+ years without being under the influence of a substance, then well, kudos. I guess the dare system worked for someone.

I was just telling the guy how he's going to get fucked. And yes, it DOES fuck up your life. Try getting a job without a license where there is no mass transit system. Or where your livelihood absolutely depends on your ability to drive, aka, field service technicians. I live in a town that is notorious for cops fucking with you to see if you've had 2 fucking beers. Its a lake town, and they know you've been at the lake at a bbq or boating... when I was giving advice about not blowing/sobriety tests, it was for in those situations where you are completely fine to drive but possibly over the legal limit and the cops are being dick cheeses.

I abslolutely agree with you when people are smashed or hammered and being an obvious danger to society. I think it should be attempted manslaughter.

Not that I give a fuck about society as a whole usually anyways. I'm more afraid of your family using their phones while driving and t'boning me than drunk drivers honestly. Shit happens, its life. It will end eventually.

Oh, and stop being such a drama kid.


Again, Fuck that shit. I want anyone who drinks and drives to get their lives fucked up as a WARNING PUNCH IN THE FACE not to endanger my family and friends lives, or anyone else's life.

[Laccon]

The Farmer...if you did what i did you will learn your lesson as in not hurting anyone but yourself and a tree and almost dying and i still dont know why i didn't then you def learn your lesson and so do your friends, your close ones anyways after they see your car all fucked up. I realize im not looking to get off easy but even if i did, i know for a fact i'll never drink and drive again and neither will any of my friends/family, or even if i'll ever drink at all in the US for that matter...maybe if i went on vacation to another country but thats about all.....So fuck gettin the book thrown at you for first time offenders if they didn't hurt/kill anyone else...just my opinion

[Kuyuk]

<<So fuck gettin the book thrown at you for first time offenders if they didn't hurt/kill anyone else>>

Where's the difference if you kill someone or if you *could* have?

If you didnt get the book thrown at you, what would prevent you from doing it again, if the consequences arent that bad?


K.

[Tisket]

I wonder why Drunken Durfin hasn't weighed in with his opinion yet. It was him that said EVERYONE drives drunk at one time or another, in order to excuse his own lack of self control no?

[pabstblueribbon]

Where's the difference if you kill someone or if you *could* have?

Do you live in constant fear that you *could* trip on the remote, fall, and break your neck and die?

I guess its just my nihilism showing.

But just because something could happen, doesn't mean it will or you should be punished for it. There are an infinite amount of coulds.

You could get run over by a 70 year old woman who has done no ill deed in her entire life on her way to church where she tutors the handicap on the bible.

Bad shit happens to everyone. Life is pretty fucking random.

[Fallen]

>> Where's the difference if you kill someone or if you *could* have? >>

The difference is the dead body.

[pabstblueribbon]

The difference is the dead body.


Good fucking point, lol.

[Kuyuk]

Fair enough.. But I still think the book should be thrown at anyone who gets caught drinking and driving..


K.

[waywardgs]

Here's a statistic: After 10:00 at night, on average, 1 in 12 drivers on the road are over the legal limit. I'd say that means more on the weekends, less on the weekdays. That's a pretty significant number, and it doesn't mean just one in twelve people are drunk drivers, it means that a pretty large portion of the population have, at one time or another, driven while under the influence. It's an endemic problem in this country, far more so than many others, particularly european countries that display more of a cultural acceptance of alcohol where education is begun at a much younger age. To me this points to a much larger issue pertaining to how americans relate to alcohol. Yes, drunk drivers should be punished. But the focus is always on the punishment, which is AFTER the fact, rather than on having responsible attitudes towards alcohol to begin with. THAT is the real issue. Punishing someone is fine and good, but one wonders what more could be done to curtail drunk driving BEFORE it happens.

Fact of the matter is, particularly in teens and young adults, alcohol is considered taboo, and this sort of categorical "just say no" attitude does nothing to educate people about alcohol- not only about the negative consequences of alcohol, but its responsible use, as well. Drinking in this country, especially during the college years, is about getting SMASHED outside of mom and dad's supervision. It's never about enjoying a glass of wine with dinner, it's about finally getting to do something you were never allowed to do (and having no idea how to handle it). Learning how to responsibly consume alcohol is rarely a topic of conversation. I think this speaks to a wider cultural environment in america that tends to dwell on the negative consequences and leaves no room for education. Same thing applies to sex education. You tell teens who are peaking hormonally "NO SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE!" and argue against handing out condoms for fear it might "encourage" sex, well, you're just sticking your head in the sand. Next thing you know, you have a bunch of teen pregnancies on your hands. The fact of the matter is premarital sex WILL happen, underage drinking WILL happen, whether you like it or not. Isn't it better to spend a little more time on education and preventative measures?

[Drew]

I wonder why Drunken Durfin hasn't weighed in with his opinion yet. It was him that said EVERYONE drives drunk at one time or another, in order to excuse his own lack of self control no?

I've never driven drunk after drinking. It does require you to be a person who is always responsible for themselves which is something some people are apparently unable to do.

[pabstblueribbon]

But the focus is always on the punishment, which is AFTER the fact, rather than on having responsible attitudes towards alcohol to begin with. THAT is the real issue.


The fact of the matter is premarital sex WILL happen, underage drinking WILL happen, whether you like it or not. Isn't it better to spend a little more time on education and preventative measures?

QFT.

Its time we started looking at the underlying cause of the problem and try to solve it rather than propagate it further with rhetoric that kids arent going to listen to anyways.

Its much like the war on drugs. Kid hears pot is the gateway drug, will ruin your life, make you run over people in the drive thru. Kid tries said pot. None of this happens. Then they wonder if what they said about all the other drugs is BS too.

Its time we start being honest with ourselves, educate, and try a new way of thinking.

[diethx]

I've never driven drunk after drinking. It does require you to be a person who is always responsible for themselves which is something some people are apparently unable to do.

:yeahthat:


Its time we start being honest with ourselves, educate, and try a new way of thinking.

I dunno, I think teaching kids the responsible ways to use alcohol is not the way to go about it. I don't think kids should be drinking AT ALL. I feel that alcohol is 100x more dangerous than pot, and shouldn't be as easy to obtain as it is.

I think the repercussions for underage drinking should be much more stiff than they are now, and believe me, when a 19 year old drives drunk, falls asleep, and crashes his car into another car or a tree or whatever... if they send him to jail for at least 6 months, you really think he'll risk drinking and driving again when he gets out? You really think it would've happened to begin with if he knew the punishments were so severe?

It's time drunk drivers stop getting a free pass on their first offense. It only takes one time to kill someone else, and a free pass sends a fucking shit message.

[Laccon]

Diethx, you say you dont want kids drinking at all, what do you consider a kid? legally anyone 18+ is an adult, yet the drinking age is 21? I myself at 19 dont consider myself a kid.

[diethx]

Kids are under 18. I don't think anyone under the age of 25 should be able to drink without restrictions, however. Alcohol is too dangerous, imho.

[waywardgs]

I dunno, I think teaching kids the responsible ways to use alcohol is not the way to go about it. I don't think kids should be drinking AT ALL. I feel that alcohol is 100x more dangerous than pot, and shouldn't be as easy to obtain as it is.

So instead of education, you think the fear of punishment will work better? Punishment as a deterrent has been largely discredited. Crime rates in states with the death penalty are largely consistent with crime rates in states without the death penalty (for crimes that would warrant the death penalty). The vast majority of criminals don't think they'll get caught, first of all. If they thought they were going to get caught they wouldn't be perpetrating the crime. As for kids, they WILL experiment. This has clearly been the case throughout history. Whether they do it safely in a controlled environment or surreptitiously in a dangerous environment is up to us as a society. Furthermore, you're also assuming teens have a fully developed moral center and faculty of judgement, which in fact they do not. The current scientific and behavioral literature shows this to be true. The judgement centers in the brain reach maturity at mid to late twenties. Nurture good judgement through education at an early age, don't just leave it up to the threat of punishment as prevention.


I think the repercussions for underage drinking should be much more stiff than they are now, and believe me, when a 19 year old drives drunk, falls asleep, and crashes his car into another car or a tree or whatever... if they send him to jail for at least 6 months, you really think he'll risk drinking and driving again when he gets out? You really think it would've happened to begin with if he knew the punishments were so severe?

You're missing the point here. Instead of being concerned solely with what happens to the lawbreaker AFTER the law has already been broken, don't you think it'd be more productive to also try and PREVENT it from happening in the first place? Which do you care about more, punishment or not having to bury bodies? Sure, it makes society feel good to send a drunk driver to jail after having killed someone, but wouldn't it be better to try and prevent the death from ever having occurred in the first place? Our legal system is by design purely reactive. Seems to me it would behoove us to consider ways to curtail these sorts of tragedies before they happen as well.


It's time drunk drivers stop getting a free pass on their first offense. It only takes one time to kill someone else, and a free pass sends a fucking shit message.

True. I'm in no way advocating any sort of tolerance to drunk drivers. I'm merely trying to suggest ways to curtail the problem before it becomes a problem. There is only one method that has proven to be successful: education, education, education. Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" policy failed miserably in the eighties as an anti-drug message, drug use skyrocketed straight through the nineties as a result. There was no education, and extremely limited rehabilitation programs. Instead, we just filled up our jails with drug offenders. It doesn't work, pure and simple.

Education curtails irresponsible behavior and saves lives. Prison terms just deal with the bodies afterwards.

[diethx]

So instead of education, you think the fear of punishment will work better? Punishment as a deterrent has been largely discredited. Crime rates in states with the death penalty are largely consistent with crime rates in states without the death penalty (for crimes that would warrant the death penalty).

No, I think teaching high school kids the proper way to drink will simply make them think that drinking is okay, when it's NOT. Punishment obviously doesn't work as a deterrent now, because the punishment kids get for underage drinking and the punishments people get for DUIs are a fucking joke. And come on, we're not talking about the death penalty and murderers. If someone would have the audacity to commit murder to begin with, you really think the threat of their own death would stop them? I really doubt it in most cases, because someone has to be so far gone to commit a murder to begin with, in my opinion, that it wouldn't even matter. There's a difference between someone like that and a stupid kid thinking twice about drinking and driving or drinking at all if he knew of someone who went to jail for it rather than getting a slap on the wrist.


Furthermore, you're also assuming teens have a fully developed moral center and faculty of judgement, which in fact they do not. The current scientific and behavioral literature shows this to be true.

Which is exactly why we need to be preventing teens from drinking however possible, rather than telling them it's okay if they do it the right way. Because someone who doesn't have a fully developed moral center or faculty of judgement doesn't need to touch alcohol at ALL. Yes, I do believe that if there were much harsher punishments for underage drinking and drinking and driving, it would deter a LOT of people from doing it, teens included.


You're missing the point here. Instead of being concerned solely with what happens to the lawbreaker AFTER the law has already been broken, don't you think it'd be more productive to also try and PREVENT it from happening in the first place? Which do you care about more, punishment or not having to bury bodies?

And i'm asking you how the hell you expect that to happen. You think that by saying if they're gonna drink, do it in a safe place and don't drive.... you really think that'll work? If you do, you're fooling yourself. Because frankly... kids already know that's the smart thing to do, and it doesn't matter. We knew it 10 years ago when I was a teenager, and yet it didn't stop my friends from driving drunk. The only way to stop teens from driving drunk is to make sure they don't have alcohol to drink.

[Tisket]

Here's a statistic: After 10:00 at night, on average, 1 in 12 drivers on the road are over the legal limit.

Source that for us champ? Or is it just a feeling of yours?

Here's a favorite message to people like you: STOP GUESSING AND SPEND 10 SECONDS DOING RESEARCH. YOUR INTUITION SUCKS.

[Celephais]

Laccon ... how'd you get the booze? Is your supplier getting in trouble? (Obviously not asking for names or something, but like... a bar? a friend? sneak/steal it? fake id?)

[waywardgs]

Source that for us champ? Or is it just a feeling of yours?

Here's a favorite message to people like you: STOP GUESSING AND SPEND 10 SECONDS DOING RESEARCH. YOUR INTUITION SUCKS.

Sure.

Recent roadside surveys in the United States indicate that about three percent of drivers at any particular time are legally impaired. On weekend evenings the number of drunk drivers rises significantly: about eight percent of all drivers have blood alcohol concentrations greater than .05, and an additional nine percent of drivers have had at least one drink, meaning that on weekend evenings around 17 percent of all drivers are operating their vehicles under the influence of at least some alcohol. -Assessment and Treatment of the DWI offender. Cavaiola and Wuth (2002) ; McKnight and Voas (2001); Voas et al. (1998).

No need to be testy, Tisket. I wasn't writing an academic paper. When I do, I footnote everything. The PC isn't a scholarly publication.

[CrystalTears]

No need to be testy, Tisket. I wasn't writing an academic paper. When I do, I footnote everything. The PC isn't a scholarly publication.Yes but if you're going to throw out statistics and facts, it's wise to state the source. While we're at it, care to link your source? Thanks.

[Tisket]

Be nice to have the page number/chapter too. That first one is over 200 pages long. And the statistics they use are a decade old.

[diethx]

Um, where in here...


Recent roadside surveys in the United States indicate that about three percent of drivers at any particular time are legally impaired. On weekend evenings the number of drunk drivers rises significantly: about eight percent of all drivers have blood alcohol concentrations greater than .05, and an additional nine percent of drivers have had at least one drink, meaning that on weekend evenings around 17 percent of all drivers are operating their vehicles under the influence of at least some alcohol.

Do you get this?


After 10:00 at night, on average, 1 in 12 drivers on the road are over the legal limit.

The legal limit is .08, as far as I know. No where in your "source" does it state that 1 in 12 drivers on the road are over that legal limit.

[waywardgs]

Yes but if you're going to throw out statistics and facts, it's wise to state the source. While we're at it, care to link your source? Thanks.

I own the book. I'd link you to my library if I could, otherwise, you can look it up online.

BTW, the original stat was off the top of my head, I didn't look it up before I wrote it. 8% was the number I remembered, which = 1/12. Sorry for not sourcing it in the first place, I was just writing my thoughts. I suppose I could go into detail about rates of drunk driving in countries with a lower (or no) legal age limit for alcohol being lower vs those in the US, but the information is out there.

Oh, and in case anyone is confused by my argument, I'm in favor of a combination of strict regulation of the DRIVING, and smart, realistic education for the DRINKING. Responsible drinkers don't drink and drive, so we better be sure we're raising responsible drinkers. You don't do that by plugging your fingers in your ears and saying LALALALALALA NO DRINKING LALALALALA.

[Tisket]

No need to be testy, Tisket. I wasn't writing an academic paper. When I do, I footnote everything. The PC isn't a scholarly publication.

Funny thing you should mention that, 52 percent of the people who post here are pretty sure that at least 73 percent of the posts here qualify as such.

[Stanley Burrell]

I get scared of driving after a beer and everyone calls me a pussy faggot because I am being a pussy faggot.

The end.

[Tisket]

Funny thing you should mention that, 52 percent of the people who post here are pretty sure that at least 73 percent of the posts here qualify as such.

Source: http://forum.gsplayers.com/index.php

[diethx]

You don't do that by plugging your fingers in your ears and saying LALALALALALA NO DRINKING LALALALALA.

Yes, that's exactly what we're all advocating.

http://westrum.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/holy-facepalm.jpg

[waywardgs]

Funny thing you should mention that, 52 percent of the people who post here are pretty sure that at least 73 percent of the posts here qualify as such.

Then 52% of the people who post here are wrong 73% of the time.

[Tisket]

I own the book. I'd link you to my library if I could, otherwise, you can look it up online.

Here you go, show us here: http://books.google.com/books?id=Ju1y9ywbCJYC&pg=PA188&lpg=PA188&dq=Assessment+and+Treatment+of+the+DWI+offender+%2 2Cavaiola+and+Wuth%22&source=bl&ots=pzitiHuM1o&sig=zf9OYWVsHvxowzNnmrzI8ksaoh4&hl=en&ei=43jFScmvJImMsAPEtvXmBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPR7,M1

[Tisket]

Then 52% of the people who post here are wrong 73% of the time.

Thats what 48 percent would have us believe.

Making up statistics if fucking fun! Whatever was I thinking?!

[CrystalTears]

Oh, and in case anyone is confused by my argument, I'm in favor of a combination of strict regulation of the DRIVING, and smart, realistic education for the DRINKING. Responsible drinkers don't drink and drive, so we better be sure we're raising responsible drinkers. You don't do that by plugging your fingers in your ears and saying LALALALALALA NO DRINKING LALALALALA.
What the hell does this mean? Teach people how to drive while drunk or something?

[The Ponzzz]

DUI should get ya the death penalty.

[waywardgs]

What the hell does this mean? Teach people how to drive while drunk or something?

lol. Yeah, that's exactly what it means. I teach a class on safe drunk driving on Saturdays at the community center. We get hammered and I pass out car keys. Loads of fun. Want to sign up?



oi.



What it means is this: teach people to drink responsibly and they won't drink and drive.

I believe responsible drinking is not taught in the united states.
I believe this leads to a higher incidence of drunk driving.
Therefore, if you teach responsible alcohol use, you will have less drunk driving.

Is that clear?

[diethx]

DUI should get ya the death penalty.

Your new avatar is mean. :(


What it means is this: teach people to drink responsibly and they won't drink and drive.

I believe responsible drinking is not taught in the united states.
I believe this leads to a higher incidence of drunk driving.
Therefore, if you teach responsible alcohol use, you will have less drunk driving.

Is that clear?

Will you also have less (date) rape? Because you know, your class on responsible drinking could really sway those kids without a fully developed moral center and faculty of judgement from getting wasted and raping the girl who passes out (safely, not driving!!!!) at the party over the weekend. Of course, if you tell them how clearly irresponsible it is, they certainly won't do it.

But at least they'll be getting drunk inside in a safe place where they won't drive drunk, amirite?

Yes, let's teach teens how to drink the right way.

[CrystalTears]

lol. Yeah, that's exactly what it means. I teach a class on safe drunk driving on Saturdays at the community center. We get hammered and I pass out car keys. Loads of fun. Want to sign up?Hey man, nothing would shock me around here if this was true. Some people have really fucked up views, so yeah, sue me for wanting some clarification.


What it means is this: teach people to drink responsibly and they won't drink and drive.

I believe responsible drinking is not taught in the united states.
I believe this leads to a higher incidence of drunk driving.
Therefore, if you teach responsible alcohol use, you will have less drunk driving.

Is that clear?
On that note, how do you teach people to drink responsibly?

[The Ponzzz]

Your new avatar is mean. :(


I change just for you!!

[diethx]

I change just for you!!

I heart you.

[Tisket]

What it means is this: teach people to drink responsibly and they won't drink and drive.

I believe responsible drinking is not taught in the united states.
I believe this leads to a higher incidence of drunk driving.
Therefore, if you teach responsible alcohol use, you will have less drunk driving.

I've got no issues with your personal opinion since you arent trying to wrap it up as some kind of official statistics. However, I believe if you ask ANY drinker of ANY age what constitutes responsible drinking almost ALL of them will say: don't drive drunk. They already know this. And yet they do it anyway. So, while more education is a good thing, I'm not really convinced this will have much effect on the overall incidence of impaired driving.

[thefarmer]

If you have managed drive for 15+ years without being under the influence of a substance, then well, kudos. I guess the dare system worked for someone.

I attribute it to not being as dumb as the retards bowling in the special olympics.


... when I was giving advice about not blowing/sobriety tests, it was for in those situations where you are completely fine to drive but possibly over the legal limit and the cops are being dick cheeses.

Right... Nice backpeddle.


First offense, if you didnt blow, you'd get your license back by appealing to the state. Its pretty much a freebie. Second time, you lose it for 12 months. DWI conviction however, you lose it for 12 anyways, so the general advice here is to not blow. Also, quick tip if you are found in a situation where you are probably over the legal limit but fine to drive and cops are being pricks...

DO NOT BLOW. DO NOT DO FIELD SOBRIETY TESTS.

Field sobriety tests are not tests to see if you're sober. They already know you're not. They are simply gathering evidence on tape to convict you. Simply dont say a fucking thing except I want to talk to my lawyer before I do anything. This will give your lawyer the most leverage for getting you out of hot water since the burden of proof is on the state.
PS Drinking and driving on st patty's day is fucking retarded. Dont you realise how many fucking cops are out? ITS FUCKING ST PATTY'S DAY



I abslolutely agree with you when people are smashed or hammered and being an obvious danger to society. I think it should be attempted manslaughter.

If you're over the legal limit, you're over the limit the law has put in place to distinguish between safe and unsafe drivers. Which means you're Driving Under the Influence. End of story.


But just because something could happen, doesn't mean it will or you should be punished for it. There are an infinite amount of coulds. ... Life is pretty fucking random.

There's nothing random about someone making the decision to drive drunk and get on the highway doing 60+mph. That's as stupid as saying, "Sure I could pull a driveby with an automatic weapon, shoot at your apt/neighborhood/whatever, but since I didn't hit anybody just give me a slap on the wrist and a silly fine and everything'll be cool.."



DUI should get ya the death penalty.

I'd settle for attempted manslaughter as Pabst kindly suggested.


Laconn: ..def learn your lesson and so do your friends, your close ones anyways after they see your car all fucked up.

If this were the case there'd be less drunk drivers out there.

[waywardgs]

Will you also have less (date) rape? Because you know, your class on responsible drinking could really sway those kids without a fully developed moral center and faculty of judgement from getting wasted and raping the girl who passes out (safely, not driving!!!!) at the party over the weekend. Of course, if you tell them how clearly irresponsible it is, they certainly won't do it.

But at least they'll be getting drunk inside in a safe place where they won't drive drunk, amirite?

Yes, let's teach teens how to drink the right way.

Ok, first off, if you're a rapist while you're drunk, you're a rapist when you're sober. That's a pathology indicative of serious mental and emotional problems, not a consequence of drinking, and is hardly the point of this discussion.

Secondly, getting drunk and passing out is not responsible drinking. Drinking to get drunk is not responsible drinking. I think what I'm not explaining correctly is what I see as the culture of alcohol use in the US. In various european countries, parents start their kids out on watered down wine with dinner as young as 6 or 8 years old. They grow up around it. It's not some forbidden fruit like it is here. It's just another part of life. Here, were we have strict restrictions on alcohol, teens experiment furtively and outside any kind of controlled environment. Alcohol becomes an illicit novelty, and overconsumption is the result- they just don't know how to drink in moderation. No one's ever taught them. College is portrayed as a beer-soaked drunkfest where anything goes because mom and dad are 500 miles away and they can finally get away with it. Then, at 21, the typical birthday involves going out and getting as intoxicated as possible- it's almost like a rite of passage. Again, irresponsible drinking habits. I say bring alcohol consumption into the light, so to speak, deflating the forbidden appeal. Further, by giving kids driver's licenses before booze, the kid gets comfortable driving before ever really understanding safe alcohol use. Combined with an immature capacity for judgement, which I mentioned earlier, this seems like a recipe for disaster. Lack of alcohol knowledge + driver's license = drunk driving fatalities. Kids and young adults drink to get drunk because they aren't taught to do otherwise. They aren't taught anything. That's what I take issue with.

Additionally, you're just fooling yourself if you think it's possible to completely eradicate underage drinking. Ain't gonna happen. See: prohibition, war on drugs.

[diethx]

Ok, first off, if you're a rapist while you're drunk, you're a rapist when you're sober.

Are you kidding? Alcohol is a substance that can make you lose all inhibitions, make you black out, make you behave completely opposite to how you would normally behave, etc etc. I've seen it first-hand. Alcohol can make you do things you'd never normally do when sober. That can and has included having sex with a passed out chick because you're too fucking wasted to know better, when you'd never even dream about doing that sober. If you think otherwise, you're sorely mistaken. That's why alcohol should only be used by adults with fully-formed brains and developed moral centers.

Yet here you are, advocating we teach teens it's okay to drink if they do it safely and don't get in a car. You're living in a dream world if you think that'll fix anything, because most people already know that, and it changes almost nothing.

[diethx]

Additionally, you're just fooling yourself if you think it's possible to completely eradicate underage drinking. Ain't gonna happen. See: prohibition, war on drugs.

Oh and, no one EVER said that. What i've been saying all along is that harsher punishments for drinking underage and drinking and driving will be a bigger deterrant than you "teaching" people shit they already know and care not to follow because the punishments are such a joke.


Combined with an immature capacity for judgement, which I mentioned earlier, this seems like a recipe for disaster.

Yes, because they have an immature capacity for judgement, no matter how much you think you can teach them about being responsible, they WON'T be. You're so deluding yourself.

[The Ponzzz]

I'd settle for attempted manslaughter as Pabst kindly suggested.

Yeah, I must have skimmed his post and missed it. I agree. This is a sensitive subject for me as I lost two friends to drunk drivers. One who never got to graduate from high school on her way home from work and another who never got to see his son born on his way to the hospital after getting a call that his fiance went into labor. Both murderers are already out of the slammer.

[waywardgs]

Are you kidding? Alcohol is a substance that can make you lose all inhibitions, make you black out, make you behave completely opposite to how you would normally behave, etc etc. I've seen it first-hand. Alcohol can make you do things you'd never normally do when sober. That's why alcohol should only be used by adults with fully-formed brains and developed moral centers. That can and has included having sex with a passed out chick because you're too fucking wasted to know better, when you'd never even dream about doing that sober. If you think otherwise, you're sorely mistaken.

Then why isn't "I was wasted" an acceptable defense in court? Also, "having sex with a passed out chick" IS rape. Plenty of people get raging drunk, not everyone commits RAPE. Sorry, that's a fail. A rapist is a rapist is a rapist. Can't blame the booze for that one. All the booze in the world won't make someone commit rape unless the capacity for rape is already there. Rape is about the violent expression of power and control, not being drunk and horny. It's an abnormality of the mind that unfortunately is not all that uncommon. An extreme example would be Jeffery Dahmner. He drank while he raped and murdered and cannibalized his victims. Would you say he was just an average joe who let booze get the better of him? I think not.

[The Ponzzz]

Then why isn't "I was wasted" an acceptable defense in court? Also, "having sex with a passed out chick" IS rape. Plenty of people get raging drunk, not everyone commits RAPE. Sorry, that's a fail. A rapist is a rapist is a rapist. Can't blame the booze for that one. All the booze in the world won't make someone commit rape unless the capacity for rape is already there. Rape is about the violent expression of power and control, not being drunk and horny. It's an abnormality of the mind that unfortunately is not all that uncommon. An extreme example would be Jeffery Dahmner. He drank while he raped and murdered and cannibalized his victims. Would you say he was just an average joe who let booze get the better of him? I think not.

I don't think you have any reading comprehension. Which kills me. For a text based game, we certainly attract a large amount of people who can't read.

[diethx]

Then why isn't "I was wasted" an acceptable defense in court? Also, "having sex with a passed out chick" IS rape. Plenty of people get raging drunk, not everyone commits RAPE. Sorry, that's a fail. A rapist is a rapist is a rapist. Can't blame the booze for that one. All the booze in the world won't make someone commit rape unless the capacity for rape is already there. Rape is about the violent expression of power and control, not being drunk and horny. It's an abnormality of the mind that unfortunately is not all that uncommon. An extreme example would be Jeffery Dahmner. He drank while he raped and murdered and cannibalized his victims. Would you say he was just an average joe who let booze get the better of him? I think not.

Uh, because you made the choice to get wasted. That's why whatever you do when wasted is a crime. That doesn't mean you'd have done it sober. Are you seriously having this much trouble following the conversation?

And uh, duh, I fucking said it was rape to begin with in my first statement. Holy hell, KEEP UP. But just because you did something when you were drunk doesn't mean you'd do it when you were sober (which is what YOU stated). Just like some people fuck others when drunk that they'd never even touch when sober. To say that you only do things drunk that you'd also do sober is bullshit, but then again, your entire argument has consisted mostly of bullshit, so that's no big difference.

And um, rape isn't always about violence and power and control. Law & Order SVU is an awesome show but you shouldn't base all of your statements on what you see there.

There have been many occasions where a wasted young guy raped a passed out girl just because he was drunk, stupid, and horny, and not in control of himself.

Also, lol at using Jeffrey Dahmer as an example... unbelievable.

[diethx]

I don't think you have any reading comprehension. Which kills me. For a text based game, we certainly attract a large amount of people who can't read.

Seriously, ffs.

[waywardgs]

Yes, because they have an immature capacity for judgement, no matter how much you think you can teach them about being responsible, they WON'T be. You're so deluding yourself.

So why parent at all? Why bother trying? If kids can't learn, then why are they even in school? Fact is, teaching them how to be responsible is how they LEARN to be responsible. That's the whole point of raising a child. My parents taught me what it meant to be responsible. My teachers taught me about responsibility. It didn't all of a sudden come to me at some prescribed age. If you don't teach them, they won't learn, and then you've got irresponsible adults.

[diethx]

So why parent at all? Why bother trying? If kids can't learn, then why are they even in school? Fact is, teaching them how to be responsible is how they LEARN to be responsible. That's the whole point of raising a child. My parents taught me what it meant to be responsible. My teachers taught me about responsibility. It didn't all of a sudden come to me at some prescribed age. If you don't teach them, they won't learn, and then you've got irresponsible adults.

Holy fucking shit, I can't even do this anymore. I feel like i'm banging my head against a brick wall. I guess some stupid just can't be cracked.

[The Ponzzz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8suVjclu8Zo

[diethx]

lol, I really like Ron White. AND IT'S FUCKING TRUE, OBVIOUSLY.

[The Ponzzz]

Scientific facts!

/win thread.

[Tisket]

Scientific facts!

Source?

[The Ponzzz]

The Ron White youtube link just above!!

[diethx]

Source?

Youtube, duh.

[waywardgs]

I advocate for something as simple as better education, the response is to call me "stupid." Now that's irony. :)

[diethx]

And no matter how much education you want to give, kids will be kids. Kids know what's wrong now, and they still do it. To think that what you're advocating will actually make a difference is stupid.

But no, what I was calling stupid is your lack of reading comprehension and your inability to remember what was said 5 minutes before.

[Tisket]

Youtube, duh.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nightingalemusic.com/html/musicsoundfx/soundfx/soundideas/products/images/Great_big_whoosh_DVD.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nightingalemusic.com/html/musicsoundfx/soundfx/soundideas/products/bigwhoosh_gr_dvd.htm&usg=__NsJNvb5nHCKIHYAKZZNq28Kabew=&h=200&w=221&sz=15&hl=en&start=131&tbnid=gSFpsyqsVXyWQM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=107&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwhoosh%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3De n%26sa%3DN%26start%3D126

[The Ponzzz]

I advocate for something as simple as better education, the response is to call me "stupid." Now that's irony. :)

You're saying that if people are educated on drinking responsible then they would. What are we going to do next, teach classes on not committing crimes? Lord knows if people knew better they never would do it, amiright!?

[ElanthianSiren]

You're saying that if people are educated on drinking responsible then they would. What are we going to do next, teach classes on not committing crimes? Lord knows if people knew better they never would do it, amiright!?

I read it as: people aknowledge that drinking changes your brain's perception of things (it's a drug DUH), but it absolutely never changes your perception of others (ie if they're moaning because you're screwing them rather than moaning in their sleep because they're passed out and piss drunk). An ex of mine actually has a kid because he got wasted with his GF and she missed her pill and there was screwing in the above manner. I doubt she ever considered it rape.

[Tisket]

I know the dude was arrogant and made sweeping statements but that doesn't mean everything he said was complete crap either. More education can never hurt. I just don't think it will be the solution he thinks it will be.

[waywardgs]

You're saying that if people are educated on drinking responsible then they would. What are we going to do next, teach classes on not committing crimes? Lord knows if people knew better they never would do it, amiright!?

I'm commenting on the culture of alcohol consumption in this country and how I believe that the way americans drink and learn to drink lends itself to reckless and irresponsible behavior. I never said anything about putting kids in any sort of class. Education doesn't just happen in the classroom.

"Influences from numerous nations and cultures strongly affect alcohol beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors in the United States. The family plays a central role in teaching these alcohol norms and behaviors. Parents, through their power of example, may be the most important long-term influence on the behavior of their offspring. The strength of their power, often reinforced by religious teachings, is usually underestimated.... The thrust [of alcohol education programs in U.S. schools] has largely been to stress problems associated with alcohol abuse and to portray alcohol as a dangerous substance to be avoided. In spite of the enormous human and monetary resources employed in this educational approach, it has not been effective. Not surprisingly, any alcohol education that is inconsistent with prevalent beliefs and behaviors in a group or society is likely to be ineffective."

Hanson, D.J., "The United States of America," pp. 300-315 in Heath, D.B., ed., International Handbook on Alcohol and Culture, Greenwood Press, Westport, CT, 1995, p. 312.


As far as the date-rape discussion Die thx brought up:

"Drunken aggression is commonly observed in some cultures and settings in the United States. Worldwide, however, such behavior is typically quite rare, even among people who drink a great deal. Numerous anthropological studies demonstrate that alcohol-related violence is a learned behavior, not an inevitable result of alcohol consumption."

Peele, Stanton and Brodsky, Archie, "Alcohol and Society: How Culture Influences the Way People Drink."


"Cross-cultural evidence from diverse populations around the world shows that some have habitual drunkenness with little aggression, others show aggression only in specific drinking contexts or against selected categories of drinking companions, and so forth. Such widespread and diverse variation contradicts the view -- shared by both `common sense' and much scientific writing -- that characterizes alcohol as having a relatively direct pharmaconeurological effect in triggering aggression."

Heath, D.B., "Alcohol and Aggression," pp. 89-103 in Gottheil, E., et al. Alcohol, Drug Abuse and Aggression, Charles C Thomas, Springfield, IL, 1983, p. 89.

"The way people comport themselves when they are drunk is determined not by alcohol's toxic assault upon the seat of moral judgment, conscience, or the like, but by what their society makes of and imparts to them concerning the state of drunkenness."

MacAndrew, C., and Edgerton, R.B., Drunken Comportment, Aldine, Chicago, 1969, p. 165.

"Beverage alcohol cannot be viewed as the cause of specific drunken behaviors.... Alcohol as a drug can be viewed as an enabler or a facilitator of certain culturally given inebriate states, but it cannot be seen as producing a specific response pattern among all human beings who ingest it."

Marshall, M., "`Four Hundred Rabbits': An Anthropological View of Ethanol as a Disinhibitor," pp. 186-204 in Room R., and Collins, G., eds., Alcohol and Disinhibition: Nature and Meaning of the Link (Research Monograph No. 12), U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services, Rockville, MD, 1983, p. 200.

link:
http://www.peele.net/lib/sociocul.html#iii

[ElanthianSiren]

So if someone grows up around alcohol abuse, they're sure to abuse alcohol, using the model-home scenerio? I'll be sure to make a note to myself to drink more because your argument seems flawed to me.

People being shown and learning that there are consequences to certain behaviors is the only way to deter them from those behaviors IMO. I'd be in favor of community service hours for a DUI, shadowing nurses in hospitals with FA babies, shadowing PT people working with crash victims etc actually for this reason.

[Laccon]

Someone asked how i get/got the alcohol and the answer is i walk into the packy...idk why but the guy at the counter is pretty much a drunk and has never even asked for my ID and pretty sure he pockets money too as everytime i go in there the prices are changed lol.....and no my source for booze isn't getting in trouble as i either wouldn't or didn't tell them where i got the booze or they never even bothered to ask me.....Court is on april 8th, i'll let you all know how it goes.....

[Miscast]

Lotta judgment being thrown around in this thread. Shit happens. We're all human. I don't know Laccon but I support him in learning from this, overcoming the consequences and becoming a stronger person because of it. Shit, 19. I know I did my fair share of stupid shit when I was 19. You still have a chance at a bright future.

That said, I'd invest in a good lawyer if you haven't already. I'd ask your lawyer for the lowdown on the county repercussions for DUI, not just state. I'd enroll in the DUI course ASAP (if you haven't already) and have proof of enrollment to present in court. Do what you can to show good faith. You can be on top of this.

[AnticorRifling]

Lotta judgment being thrown around in this thread. Shit happens. We're all human. I don't know Laccon but I support him in learning from this, overcoming the consequences and becoming a stronger person because of it. Shit, 19. I know I did my fair share of stupid shit when I was 19. You still have a chance at a bright future.

That said, I'd invest in a good lawyer if you haven't already. I'd ask your lawyer for the lowdown on the county repercussions for DUI, not just state. I'd enroll in the DUI course ASAP (if you haven't already) and have proof of enrollment to present in court. Do what you can to show good faith. You can be on top of this.

Stupid shit is fine. Stupid shit that's easily provented and could kill people is not. Get drunk, get high, be retarded, I don't care until you get in a weapon and aim it at the public.

I would love to see DUI changed to assault with a deadly weapon.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Are you kidding? Alcohol is a substance that can make you lose all inhibitions, make you black out, make you behave completely opposite to how you would normally behave, etc etc. I've seen it first-hand. Alcohol can make you do things you'd never normally do when sober.>>

I'm pretty goddamn certain that alcohol doesn't make you want to rape people. Rather, you wanting to rape people but knowing that it is extremely illegal is what makes you only do it when intoxicated. I haven't been following this thread but anyone that uses alcohol as an explanation for their behavior is an alcoholic fucking loser and a poor liar.

And what's with all the people screaming about the not-at-all-official legal advice that's being given to avoid punishment? It's irrational not to protect yourself and it's also a right granted to us by the fantastic Fifth Amendment. Everyone who said not to take a sobriety test was right to say that: you will automatically lose your license but you cannot be charged with a DUI. You shouldn't say anything to the cop; just present your license/registration and stfu.

[GSIVPlayer]

Welcome to the club.. i got 4 DUI's, 2 at 19, 1 at 22, now one on feb 13th 09 at 24 years old. Back to jail in a minute, for awhile. Ooops i did it again. But once i'm out and on monitored soberiety your sure to see


Rathmond rain terror again.. lol..

[Allereli]

Ooops i did it again.

Where do I begin? Sounds like you're proud

[GSIVPlayer]

Not proud, just accepting what i did. I always find the way to put myself in a stupid situation, i was 4 beers deep riding with a drunk girl who was all over the road.. I offered to take over, and got pulled over for no blinker.. I have no intention on promoting drinking and driving. its bad uhmmmk?

[SolitareConfinement]

Welcome to the club.. i got 4 DUI's, 2 at 19, 1 at 22, now one on feb 13th 09 at 24 years old. Back to jail in a minute, for awhile. Ooops i did it again. But once i'm out and on monitored soberiety your sure to see


Rathmond rain terror again.. lol..

wow i didn't think you could possibly fail any more at life...until now

[GSIVPlayer]

Good to hear the PC hasnt changed. Hope Gemstone is still fun when i get back.. Going to be atleast late June or Early July when i get out on house arrest.. I'm excited to see the changes!!

[waywardgs]

<<Are you kidding? Alcohol is a substance that can make you lose all inhibitions, make you black out, make you behave completely opposite to how you would normally behave, etc etc. I've seen it first-hand. Alcohol can make you do things you'd never normally do when sober.>>

I'm pretty goddamn certain that alcohol doesn't make you want to rape people. Rather, you wanting to rape people but knowing that it is extremely illegal is what makes you only do it when intoxicated. I haven't been following this thread but anyone that uses alcohol as an explanation for their behavior is an alcoholic fucking loser and a poor liar.


:yeahthat:

[Cephalopod]

Good to hear the PC hasnt changed. Hope Gemstone is still fun when i get back.. Going to be atleast late June or Early July when i get out on house arrest.. I'm excited to see the changes!!

It would be really sad if you got into some sort of Memorial Day drunk-driving accident and rammed yourself into a tree.

[Sean of the Thread]

I've failed at life in the past couple years. I won't write anyone off however as everyone can change.

I would have gave up if it wasn't for my daughters.

[diethx]

<<Are you kidding? Alcohol is a substance that can make you lose all inhibitions, make you black out, make you behave completely opposite to how you would normally behave, etc etc. I've seen it first-hand. Alcohol can make you do things you'd never normally do when sober.>>

I'm pretty goddamn certain that alcohol doesn't make you want to rape people. Rather, you wanting to rape people but knowing that it is extremely illegal is what makes you only do it when intoxicated. I haven't been following this thread but anyone that uses alcohol as an explanation for their behavior is an alcoholic fucking loser and a poor liar.

Uh, no, but you can be so piss drunk you don't realize that you shouldn't be having sex with that other piss drunk-passed out chick who's moaning not because she likes how your dick feels but because she's wasted and passed out. You can do all that drunk even if you'd never do it sober, which is the point I was arguing. waywardgs made the comment that people ONLY do things drunk that they would do sober, which is BS. But then again, I really doubt you have much experience being wasted at all, so i'll take what you're "pretty goddamn certain of" with a huge grain of salt.

Anyway, maybe you should actually read the thread before you make comments that don't apply. No one said people were using alcohol as an excuse. We were saying that alcohol is dangerous when given to minors because their shit isn't full developed, no matter HOW MUCH you try to teach them otherwise. And even if they don't get behind the wheel of a car, they can do something else stupid, like fucking a wasted/passed out chick because you misinterpret the situation.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<waywardgs made the comment that people ONLY do things drunk that they would do sober, which is BS.>>

You didn't describe a behavior; you described a misconception. That is inevitable when drunk. Rape requires intent for it to be rape. So, no, alcohol does not make people want to rape.

<<then again, I really doubt you have much experience being wasted at all, so i'll take what you're "pretty goddamn certain of" with a huge grain of salt.>>

I shoot up heroine all the time, according to Parkbandit.

<<Anyway, maybe you should actually read the thread before you make comments that don't apply. No one said people were using alcohol as an excuse.>>

Saying that alcohol causes people to rape = using alcohol as an excuse for deciding to rape someone.

You're fucking stupid.

[diethx]

<<waywardgs made the comment that people ONLY do things drunk that they would do sober, which is BS.>>

You didn't describe a behavior; you described a misconception. That is inevitable when drunk. Rape requires intent for it to be rape. So, no, alcohol does not make people want to rape.

Uhm, sex without permission is rape. Having sex with someone who's passed out and cannot consent is rape. Even if you didn't intend to do bodily harm, and just thought you were fucking someone who wanted it. Sry to tell you. :)


I shoot up heroine all the time, according to Parkbandit.

It's heroin, and I guess cause PB says it, it's totally true. You're fucking stupid.


Saying that alcohol causes people to rape = using alcohol as an excuse for deciding to rape someone.

Not at all. I said that alcohol causes people, especially young people who's brains aren't fully developed, to act irrationally and without inhibitions, without thinking, causing them to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. I didn't say they were without blame and that the blame could all be put on the alcohol. Since they chose to get drunk, they're still liable. So while it might not be something they'd ever do sober, because they were so out of control on the alcohol, they're still at fault (unless someone forced the liquor down their throat in one way or another).

Like I said, read the fucking thread first.

[Laccon]

So i have just learned by mail from the RMV that my licence as of right now is suspended for 3 years for refusing a breathalizer test....but pending my court date on the 8th, i'm hoping my lawyer can get it reduced to at least 1 year which will most likely happen i'm pretty sure....just to give an update on whats going on, i meet with my lawyer on wensday i'll let you all know how that goes.....

[Bobmuhthol]

<<It's heroin, and I guess cause PB says it, it's totally true. You're fucking stupid.>>

This must have been directed at Parkbandit, right?

<<I didn't say they were without blame and that the blame could all be put on the alcohol.>>

I didn't say you said this.

[diethx]

This must have been directed at Parkbandit, right?

Nope.

[Bobmuhthol]

That's weird that you would insult me over something I didn't say.

[diethx]

What's weird is that you use something PB said to prove your intense personal knowledge on a topic.

[Bobmuhthol]

If you think that was me "proving my intense personal knowledge on a topic," you're fucking stupid.

PS. If knowing about alcohol is only possible by being an alcoholic, then I'm glad you know more about it than me.

[diethx]

I think you have zero intense personal knowledge on the topic, so you were deflecting with something you thought was witty. So, basically you're fucking stupid.

[Bobmuhthol]

Hey. You're fucking stupid.

[diethx]

lol, kk kid.

[waywardgs]

waywardgs made the comment that people ONLY do things drunk that they would do sober, which is BS.

Not even in the ballpark of what I was saying, but hey. Whatever.

[diethx]

Not even in the ballpark of what I was saying, but hey. Whatever.

Sorry pal, you were the only one unable to keep up with the conversation. And if you look back up, I was so obviously not the only one saying that. :)

[Bobmuhthol]

Can I just ask how a nursing student is qualified to discuss the psychology of alcohol use?

[waywardgs]

Sorry pal, you were the only one unable to keep up with the conversation. And if you look back up, I was so obviously not the only one saying that. :)

lol. It's not my fault you've got a problem with nuance. Resorting to "u r stoopid" is hardly "keeping up with the conversation," and seems to be what you fall back on. Pretty lazy way to debate.

[waywardgs]

Can I just ask how a nursing student is qualified to discuss the psychology of alcohol use?

They do discuss this to a certain extent in nursing school. Whether or not people pay attention is another story entirely.

[diethx]

Can I just ask how a nursing student is qualified to discuss the psychology of alcohol use?

I'm mostly using my personal experience and what i've seen. You know, that thing you have zero of, so you have to talk out your ass and then deflect when called on it? It's okay, maybe one day when you're all grown up and have actually experienced what we're talking about you'll have a clue.

[diethx]

lol. It's not my fault you've got a problem with nuance. Resorting to "u r stoopid" is hardly "keeping up with the conversation," and seems to be what you fall back on. Pretty lazy way to debate.

Sorry, it was actually Bob (the sheltered 18 year old with next to no life experience you're agreeing with) who started calling others stupid. I merely amused myself to toss it back. I think he's the only one who didn't call you on your shit in this thread, miss lack of reading comprehension and bullshit, out-of-her-ass statistics.

[Bobmuhthol]

diethx, are you alluding to you being raped by someone who was drunk? Because if you're not, you have no more experience than me, so shut the fuck up.

And since you keep making unqualified claims, I'll ask something else: why am I sheltered but you're not? Because you live in the South with people most likely to rape women violently?

[diethx]

diethx, are you alluding to you being raped by someone who was drunk? Because if you're not, you have no more experience than me, so shut the fuck up.

Fuck no, but you think because it didn't happen to me, I can't know people it happened to?

Plus you know, i've actually been drunk (around other people). Maybe you should try that before you open your mouth. :)

[diethx]

And since you keep making unqualified claims, I'll ask something else: why am I sheltered but you're not? Because you live in the South with people most likely to rape women violently?

Because you're a geeky fucking 18 year old turd. I know guys like you. Guys like you had a rough time in school. ;) And I honestly doubt you've ever gotten drunk with anyone but maybe the other geeky buddies you played poker with on Friday nights while all the cool kids were partying.

And i'm from NY pal, not the south.

[Bobmuhthol]

I don't get drunk because I don't drink irresponsibly, sorry. And why are you the only person allowed to know people?

[Bobmuhthol]

rofl, I have such a rough time in school without enemies, it really sucks, man. I'll throw in another comparison: why am I geeky, but you have 7,525 posts on this forum in 27 months?

[diethx]

I don't get drunk because I don't drink irresponsibly, sorry.

Exactly my point. You can't be pretty goddamn certain about something like this that you've never experienced.

[Bobmuhthol]

One person does not equate to society. Alcohol does not make people rape, regardless of whether it has made me rape. Since you're a fucking woman, you don't even count. Jesus Christ you're bad at this.

[diethx]

rofl, I have such a rough time in school without enemies, it really sucks, man. I'll throw in another comparison: why am I geeky, but you have 7,525 posts on this forum in 27 months?

Posting a bunch on a forum makes you geeky? I'd think it just means you have a lot of free time.

Yeah, your logic is failing Bob. I know it's hard to accept since you think you're a boy genius... but I guess it does happen.

[Bobmuhthol]

What makes me geekier than you? Because you said so? You know nothing about my life.

[diethx]

One person does not equate to society. Alcohol does not make people rape, regardless of whether it has made me rape. Since you're a fucking woman, you don't even count. Jesus Christ you're bad at this.

No, alcohol can make people do things they wouldn't do sober. It happens all the time, which was my point. But you wouldn't know that, would you?

[Bobmuhthol]

Your point was that alcohol makes people rape. Please stop backpedaling.

[diethx]

No, my point was that you can't give alcohol to adolescents and just assume that because you tell them the right thing to do with it (which is what waywardgs was advocating), that they will. Because their brains aren't developed enough. And just because they know it's wrong when they are sober doesn't mean they will when they're wasted. Because you can do things wasted that you wouldn't do sober. It happens all the time.

Rape was an example. It's not my fault you want to focus on that. It's also not my fault you fail to read the fucking thread and show up with shit in your hair.

[Bobmuhthol]

You still won't rape someone drunk just because you had alcohol, given that you wouldn't rape someone sober.

[Stanley Burrell]

http://www.mirelesreunion.com/funny_asian_guys.jpg

Oh. Sorry. Wrong thread.

[Laccon]

alright now that this has blown way out of proportion.....can we get back on the subject of DUI instead of the your a loser, no your a bigger loser responces? would be greatly appretiated, thanks....but anyways as i said a few posts back, RMV sent me a letter saying because i didn't do the breathalizer it's automatic 3 year suspension, which i hope not soo we'll see if my lawyer can do some magic, i'd be happy with 1 year....already been walking alot of places and it sucks royaly

[Miscast]

rofl, I have such a rough time in school without enemies, it really sucks, man. I'll throw in another comparison: why am I geeky, but you have 7,525 posts on this forum in 27 months?

Posting a bunch on a forum makes you geeky? I'd think it just means you have a lot of free time.

Yeah, your logic is failing Bob. I know it's hard to accept since you think you're a boy genius... but I guess it does happen.
We need to get you two drunk together :popcorn:

[Paradii]

alright now that this has blown way out of proportion.....can we get back on the subject of DUI instead of the your a loser, no your a bigger loser responces? would be greatly appretiated, thanks....but anyways as i said a few posts back, RMV sent me a letter saying because i didn't do the breathalizer it's automatic 3 year suspension, which i hope not soo we'll see if my lawyer can do some magic, i'd be happy with 1 year....already been walking alot of places and it sucks royaly

I agree. This thread should revert to insulting Laccon for acting like a real dumb ass. We already have like 100 threads where diethx and bob act like dumbasses.

[diethx]

Shouldn't you be off in Alaska feeding birds and not showering in another state by now?

[Paradii]

Leaving in a couple days. Haven't showered in a few though.

[diethx]

my flight from Hawaii leaves tomorrow evening.

That was like 6 days ago. So where are you now?

[Paradii]

That was like 6 days ago. So where are you now?

Didn't realize you were following my life so closely, but I am at my mother's place in Pennsylvania getting my Alaska gear together. Should I create a twitter account for you to follow?

[diethx]

So, by remembering a post you made 6 days ago, i'm following your life closely?

You flatter yourself, stinky.

[Paradii]

So, by remembering a post you made 6 days ago, i'm following your life closely?

You flatter yourself, stinky.

It's not that embarrassing to have a crush on me. Happens all the time.

[diethx]

Your face isn't bad, but i'm not really into the homeless.

[Paradii]

Your face isn't bad, but i'm not really into the homeless.

Homes are overrated. I'll have plenty of time to get into debt and be miserable.

[diethx]

Homes are overrated. I'll have plenty of time to get into debt and be miserable.

Huh, and here I thought lice and grime and the elements would make someone more miserable than a monthly rent. :D

[Paradii]

Huh, and here I thought lice and grime and the elements would make someone more miserable than a monthly rent. :D

Pshh, I haven't paid rent in years, and my hair is still silky smooth.


edit: and insect free

[CrystalTears]

alright now that this has blown way out of proportion.....can we get back on the subject of DUI instead of the your a loser, no your a bigger loser responces? would be greatly appretiated, thanks....but anyways as i said a few posts back, RMV sent me a letter saying because i didn't do the breathalizer it's automatic 3 year suspension, which i hope not soo we'll see if my lawyer can do some magic, i'd be happy with 1 year....already been walking alot of places and it sucks royaly
Well here's to hoping for you. I've heard that RMV doesn't take DUI lightly, seeing as how car insurance needed to be regulated in your state, they've probably buckled down on the licenses a bit. Maybe you'll get stuck with one of those ignition lockboxes. Heh, good luck with THAT one.

[Laccon]

lol thanks CT but i wont have a car for awhile, and not because i wont have my licence for awhile either. I am getting zero insurance money on my car because i only had fire, theft and something else on it, didn't have collision....shitty luck but all well...

[AnticorRifling]

I'd doubt they'd cover getting tanked and going logging anyway.

[Drisco]

I definitely think someone who wouldn't rape a girl sober would do it when they are drunk. When you drink you really lose all restrictions and think you can do whatever the fuck you want to.

I've done some pretty stupid shit I would have never done sober.

The gist is when you drink you don't care what anyone else says, you're right they are wrong. It also depends what kinda mood you are in too when you are drunk. Your emotions are so over the top.

[Bobmuhthol]

The problem is that alcohol doesn't give you creative new ideas like raping people. The only reason a person who has never raped someone before would do it when they're drunk is because they know that there are consequences to rape; it's not because they think rape is wrong. You don't forget morals just because you're drunk. If the "you're right and they are wrong" attitude leads to rape, you're a rapist in all states. Kohlberg's moral development, etc. (specifically, a person who lives their life under the belief that doing illegal things is immoral simply because they're illegal are prone to committing illegal acts because they do not find the acts inherently immoral)

[Izzy]

....shitty luck but all well...
Buh..der..um, what? How can you even begin to equate any ounce of your situation to "shitty luck?" You're unlucky because you didn't have collision insurance? Give me a fucking break. How about "you're amazingly lucky because you didn't kill/maim any innocent bystanders" or "you're amazingly lucky because you didn't cripple yourself in a head-on collision with a tree"? You don't have any room for pity as far as I'm concerned. You got off lucky.
Suck it up and stop being a fucking moron.

There are a million things about your posts so far in the thread that make me die a little inside..but I don't need to get into that. If you don't get it already, nothing I'm going to say is going to make a shit-lick of difference anyway.

[CrystalTears]

It's not so much that you forget about morals, it's that once drunk, you just don't care.

But I don't agree that someone who wouldn't ever rape while sober would suddenly do it because they're drunk. I think that would be more the unusual circumstance rather than the norm.

There's also the situations where both the man and the woman are drunk, the woman "consents", regrets it the next morning, and then calls it rape (rather than accepting it was a drunk and stupid thing to do and move on), but that's a bitchfest for another time.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<It's not so much that you forget about morals,>>

I explicitly said that you don't forget about morals.

<<But I do agree that someone who wouldn't ever rape while sober would suddenly do it because they're drunk.>>

Sure, and for the reason I said: they only don't rape while they're sober because they want to avoid the consequences, and not because they feel that rape is wrong.

[CrystalTears]

<<It's not so much that you forget about morals,>>

I explicitly said that you don't forget about morals.

<<But I do agree that someone who wouldn't ever rape while sober would suddenly do it because they're drunk.>>

Sure, and for the reason I said: they only don't rape while they're sober because they want to avoid the consequences, and not because they feel that rape is wrong.
I wasn't disagreeing with anything you said. I was elaborating and giving my opinion on that part of the discussion.

Although now I see that I worded that second quote wrong. I meant to say that I don't believe that a sober non-rapist would suddenly desire to just because they're drunk.

[Bobmuhthol]

<3

[Tisket]

Yeah, I can see a rapist using alcohol as an excuse for criminal behavior but to say anyone who is intoxicated is a potential rapist is ridiculous.

[waywardgs]

Yeah, I can see a rapist using alcohol as an excuse for criminal behavior but to say anyone who is intoxicated is a potential rapist is ridiculous.

Bingo.

[Tisket]

I just saw that Bob said the exact same thing earlier in the thread.

I R plagiarizer.

[Ignot]

Yeah, I can see a rapist using alcohol as an excuse for criminal behavior but to say anyone who is intoxicated is a potential rapist is ridiculous.

Bob just said that exact same thing. You freakin plagerizer!

[Drisco]

I agree. I don't think you forget the morals in place, you just don't care. Although... I've personally have done something that I thought was morally wrong and when I was drunk I did it anyways and didn't even give thought to the fact that it was wrong, I just did it.

I don't know anymore...

[Ignot]

I agree. I don't think you forget the morals in place, you just don't care. Although... I've personally have done something that I thought was morally wrong and when I was drunk I did it anyways and didn't even give thought to the fact that it was wrong, I just did it.

I don't know anymore...

Cybering on GS isn't cheating so I think you are in the clear.

[DeV]

I get scared of driving after a beer and everyone calls me a pussy faggot because I am being a pussy faggot.

The end.I know pussy. You, sir, are no pussy or that other thing either, I think. :heart:

[Laccon]

Went to see the lawyer today and he didn't really help much...basically he told me we can take it to trial and it'd be 50/50 with the jury and obv i'm figuring we'd lose cuz the defence was weak, as in we would pull the i hit my head was tramatized otherwise why would i say what i said to the police about admitting to have drank etc because no one in their right mind would. But then again the jury being all adults could be like oh this kid drinks and drives we dont want him on the roads and lose and pay double instead of pleading out and losing my licence for 3 years as the RMV stated in their letter.....So looks like i'll be losing it for 3 years as i would rather pay less and not take the chance to lose and pay double as the odds are 50/50 and i think i would lose anyways.....

[Ignot]

If you move to Miami you can drive without a license and you don't need insurance either.

[CrystalTears]

If you move to Miami you can drive without a license and you don't need insurance either.
Florida has enough fuck-up drivers, don't make it worse.

[Sean of the Thread]

Florida drivers are insane. I swear that is not one seen not on a cell phone or under 70 years old.

That being said ouch 3 year suspension? Have fun with that man. I thought 1 year was bad.

[Laccon]

Got a new court date today...May 6th for the pre trial to get all the evidence, tapes/pictures the DA has....then to trial! Otherwise would be automatic 3 years, might as well try, got nothing to lose

[Tsa`ah]

Except your cash, and that of the tax payer.

[Kuyuk]

Let us hope for the 3 year + double fines.

[AnticorRifling]

I hope they give you something involving misuse of a deadly weapon and you do jail time.

[Sean of the Thread]

Got a new court date today...May 6th for the pre trial to get all the evidence, tapes/pictures the DA has....then to trial! Otherwise would be automatic 3 years, might as well try, got nothing to lose

Automatic 3 years and the prosecutors haven't even given discovery yet?

And at pre-trial you'll get a chance to plead guilty if you're a man or no contest either way they're going to adjudicate you guilty but if you take it to trial you will get fucked much harder and most certainly do time because you will lose.

Unless you mean 3 years without a license rather than 3 years of jail.

And to Tsa'ah's comment 3 years of probation, counseling, fines, community service, public transit and a plethora of other programs it would be more of a fund raiser for the tax payer.

[g++]

Automatic 3 years and the prosecutors haven't even given discovery yet?

And at pre-trial you'll get a chance to plead guilty if you're a man or no contest either way they're going to adjudicate you guilty but if you take it to trial you will get fucked much harder and most certainly do time because you will lose.

Unless you mean 3 years without a license rather than 3 years of jail.

And to Tsa'ah's comment 3 years of probation, counseling, fines, community service, public transit and a plethora of other programs it would be more of a fund raiser for the tax payer.

With the exception of speeding court I think its a universal truth that judges hate people that bring dumb shit to trial. If you're guilty plead out while you can.

[Laccon]

So after going to court a couple times over the last few months finally got the last court date yesterday for trial, Aug. 20th Lawyer is gunna try and pull off the why did this town police show up first not arrest me, leave and then another towns police show up and arrest me. I dunno how well that'll work i'm sure he'll think of other things to throw in there but thats the basis of it as of now but he has 2+ months to think it up. I'll keep it updated

[Drisco]

I'm excited to see the results. It's like I'm reading a soap and all the other off topic comments are commercials that I don't mind.

[Apotheosis]

This thread is a constant reminder as to why people like you shouldn't have a license

[diethx]

This thread is a constant reminder as to why people like you shouldn't have a license

:yeahthat:

I sure hope you don't get away with it.