Arrows and Warrior Sheaths

[droit]

I came to a neat realization today regarding arrows and warrior-made sheaths. For those not up to date with warrior sheath properties, they weigh 0.5lbs, can hold up to five weapons and reduce their contents' weight in the following manner:


In addition, warrior-made sheaths will also reduce the effective weight of each weapon contained within by 2 pounds, to a minimum effective weight of half a pound. For example, if you place a 10 pound greatsword into a warrior sheath, it will be treated as if it weighed 8 pounds. A 2 pound dagger would be treated as if it weighed half a pound. This weight reduction will only apply to weapons placed into the sheath, not to any other type of item.
Coase


This mechanic can really be capitalized upon by archers. Each arrow bundle is considered one item, so if instead of keeping all your arrows in one bundle you split them into bundles of 25, you can hold 125 arrows in one warrior sheath but it will only weigh 3 pounds total (arrows + sheath).

A bundle of 25 is ideal because each arrow weighs 0.1lbs and a 2.5lb bundle will get the full 2lb reduction, bumping right up against the 0.5lb hard minimum. Thus, 5 bundles of 25 at 0.5lbs a piece, plus the 0.5lb warrior sheath itself comes to 3lbs. This many arrows would normally weigh 12.5lbs, plus the weight of their container. To top it off, warriors are able to make quivers--whether or not the quivers can be made large enough to hold 5 items, I'm not positive about.

Anyway, a small but neat perk for bow users.

EDIT: Further testing showed that the weight system only works in whole pounds, so a bundle of 25 arrows in fact weighs 3. Therefore, bundles of 24 arrows are ideal because they still weigh only 2.

[Fallen]

Agreed. Nice observation, Droit.

[Izzy]

If any warriors are in the market I'd be willing to pay for such a quiver :)

[DaCapn]

Yeah, no kidding. I've got to get in on this myself. Is there an identifying description in the inspect field or something to make them easier to search for on playershops?

[droit]

"utmost skill" in the show description

[DaCapn]

I've got the following:

sheath = <2 lbs

4 x 25 arrow bundles + sheath = 12 lbs
1 x 100 arrow bundle + sheath = 10 lbs

5 x 25 arrow bundles + sheath = 15 lbs
2 x 100 arrow bundle + sheath = 20 lbs

So something is amiss (on my end or otherwise). Are there any differences between those of different carry-capacity? I see some that are VSA, SA, and most seem to say that they only hold one item? Mine is MA, several items. When mine was in the shop, it showed the crafter's name. I see most don't reveal that. Any ideas?

[droit]

Yeah, the problem is that the weight reduction only occurs while you're wearing the sheath, therefore it is impossible to manually weigh it. If you want to test it the way I did, wear the sheath, put the full 100 bundle in the sheath and withdraw silver until you're just past your next encumbrance level. Then, split it up into smaller bundles, put them back in the sheath and check your encumbrance. You should be back at your previous encumbrance level. Then repeat the process of withdrawing silver until you're just past that next encumbrance level again, take the difference of the two coin amounts and divide by 160 (160 silver = 1lb). This will give you the actual weight difference.

[DaCapn]

Awesome, thanks for looking into this. This is going to make a huge difference with my halfling. Who knows, I might even be able to put a box in my cloak without surge up.

[Danical]

I did this with imflass javs when I did hurling.

They weighed next to nothing inside the sheath.

There's some REALLY fucking cool designs you can make with the sheathes too. Ask in the warrior boards on the officials and you can see some of the work they've done. It really is fucking awesome.

[droit]

One thing people don't realize is that the dyes for warrior sheaths aren't limited to those available in the dyer's tent. In fact, you can request a color that's not on the list and if it is acceptable, it will be permanently added. I stole this from a November post by Rathboner on the officials:



>Would someone mind composing a list of the currently available dyes and bindings?

There might be more colors than this now. I haven't checked for a few months. If you have a reasonable color thats not on the list you can get it added for a few silvers and a modest wait.

Colors currently available: orange, white, snow white, chalk white, lily white, ivory white, pale white, black, sable, dark, inky black, ebony, coal black, jet black, sooty black, dusky black, dingy black, grey, dark grey, light grey, dove-colored, iron grey, dun, drab grey, dingy grey, steel grey, ashen, ash grey, dapple grey, dappled, slate-colored, stone grey, brown, dark brown, light brown, nut brown, hazel, puce, ecru, tawny, maroon, tan, oak brown, russet, rust-colored, roan, sorrel, henna, auburn, red, scarlet, cardinal red, vermilion, crimson, pink, rose-colored, magenta, sanguine, blood red, coral red, ruby red, fiery red, flame red, dark red, brick red, green, verdant, olive green, dark green, light green, forest green, leaf green, sea green, grass green, pea green, aquamarine, blue-green, yellow, light yellow, lemon yellow, sallow, tawny yellow, ocher, ochre, flaxen, amber, purple, dark purple, violet, plum-colored, lavender, lilac, mauve, blue, dark blue, light blue, turquoise, azure, cerulean, cyan, sky blue, steel blue, pearly white, rosy pink, rosy red, indigo, murky indigo, coppery brown, grey-blue, greyish blue, slate grey, dusty rose, pure white, dark azure, storm grey, royal blue, ruddy crimson, deep violet, dark cyan, celadon, midnight black, ale brown, chrome, cherry red, dark cerulean, blue-black, emerald green, sea blue, dark crimson, banana yellow, deep blue, stark white, grape, silvery blue, icy blue, ghostly white, rainbow, matte black, ice blue, ultramarine, tangerine, mushroom grey, golden, viridian, silvery, midnight blue, bright pink, ivy green, raven black, honey-colored, pewter grey, obsidian black, sand-colored, deep purple, deep brown, pale blue, teal, ocean blue, dirt brown, deep red, bile green, deep black, lava red, cobalt blue, jade green, shadowy black, sapphire blue, bone white, periwinkle, murky black, grey-green, smoky grey, peach-colored, pine green, red-orange, cranberry-hued, cypress green, creamy white, glacial blue, pristine white, malachite green, royal purple, misty grey, powder blue, slate blue, alabaster, chestnut brown, twilight blue, coral pink, verdant green, caramel-hued, coppery gold, mottled black, apple green, celestial blue, moss green, chartreuse, seaweed green, mottled green, dull black, ebon black, ebon, onyx black, amethyst purple, bleached white, deep crimson, salmon pink, navy blue, glossy black, hazel-brown, hunter green, earthen brown, tawny sable, magma red, charcoal black, midnight ebon, twilight grey, burgundy, moonlight silver, dusky blue, twilight black, pitch black, void black, red-tinged, baby blue, dark russet, and deep ebony.

Each guild has its speciality binding so for some you have to go to a particular workshop when making the sheath.
We have copper, which costs two silver per unit, brass for ten silver per, bronze for 25, iron for 30, steel for 40, silver for 50, gold for 100, mithril for 140, ora for 160, imflass and alum for 200, vultite for 300, and rhimar (Icemule)for 1000. You can bind with two different kinds of metals, if you use the noticeable last slot."
Veniom 1800 landing. Glaes 250 Teras. vaalorn 1000 Vaalor. mithglin 1000 Illistim. invar 1000 Zul. laje 1000 sol. vaalin 1000 rivers rest.

[DaCapn]

Does anyone know how the carry capacity works with respect to making the sheaths? Is the cut step where you specify the capacity of the sheath? I just want to make sure I can request one from someone with complete knowledge.

For those who are similarly clueless about sheath making:
http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Warrior_Tricks#Sheath_making

[BriarFox]

Does anyone know how the carry capacity works with respect to making the sheaths? Is the cut step where you specify the capacity of the sheath? I just want to make sure I can request one from someone with complete knowledge.

For those who are similarly clueless about sheath making:
http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Warrior_Tricks#Sheath_making

10 skins per 1 item slot. 50 skins for 5 items, which is the max.

[droit]

Really, there is no reason to ever make a warrior sheath from less than 50 skins. The wait time is trivial compared to other player-created systems (not to mention it's passive) and they all weigh 0.5lbs, regardless of size.

[fallenSaint]

Yeah, the problem is that the weight reduction only occurs while you're wearing the sheath, therefore it is impossible to manually weigh it. If you want to test it the way I did, wear the sheath, put the full 100 bundle in the sheath and withdraw silver until you're just past your next encumbrance level. Then, split it up into smaller bundles, put them back in the sheath and check your encumbrance. You should be back at your previous encumbrance level. Then repeat the process of withdrawing silver until you're just past that next encumbrance level again, take the difference of the two coin amounts and divide by 160 (160 silver = 1lb). This will give you the actual weight difference.

Holy crap thats far too much work, get an ebow stop carrying arrows ;P

[DaCapn]

If Belnia seemed to be having a hard time getting one, I don't fancy my odds, especially with the economy what it is...

The teller thumbs through the books and says, "Your balance is currently at 1258214 silvers. Is there anything else I can do for you today?"
What's a blue-collar halfling to do?

[Danical]

Holy crap thats far too much work, get an ebow stop carrying arrows ;P

Writing a script to sort the arrows out would be astoundingly easy though.

But yeah, I was far too lazy and went the Self-Ammo Crossbow route.

[droit]

I just did some more testing of this theory and I have to make one amendment. The ideal number of arrows per bundle is 24, not 25. Apparently the weight system only works in whole pounds after a certain point and a bundle of 24 arrows weighs 2 pounds while a bundle of 25 weighs 3.

I used coins to measure the weight difference of 1 100 arrow bundle vs. 4 25 arrow bundles and found only a 4 pound difference. When I reduced the size of the bundles to 24 arrows, my encumbrance immediately dropped another 2 pounds (0.5lbs for each bundle).

[Izzy]

I just did some more testing of this theory and I have to make one amendment. The ideal number of arrows per bundle is 24, not 25. Apparently the weight system only works in whole pounds after a certain point and a bundle of 24 arrows weighs 2 pounds while a bundle of 25 weighs 3.

I used coins to measure the weight difference of 1 100 arrow bundle vs. 4 25 arrow bundles and found only a 4 pound difference. When I reduced the size of the bundles to 24 arrows, my encumbrance immediately dropped another 2 pounds (0.5lbs for each bundle).

Anal Mechanics-buffs ftw. No way in hell I'd ever take the time to figure this shit out. I salute you, sir.

(PS: I don't mean to imply you're a buff on the mechanics of anus')

[droit]

:rofl: WTF else is there to do in GS these days?

[NocturnalRob]

:rofl: WTF else is there to do in GS these days?
pester the shit out of me apparently

[AKOE!]

thank you, Droit :)

[SoupyPoopy]

So is anyone out there willing to take orders for custom sheaths?

[Rolly]

So is anyone out there willing to take orders for custom sheaths?

you can talk to me on aim at: My Mind Reels , if you want a custom quiver.

I'm on teras and can make sheaths, but I cannot skin and don't have FWI. So you have to supply the skins if you want me to make something. Which I suspect won't be too much of a problem, as lots of you archer types are rangers anyway.