Looking for suggestions

[Gemni]

I have a lot of TPs to spend, ~400PTP and ~180 MTP. Just hit 47. Would like some input on what i could do with my points. Currently I feel that I dont do real well hunting fully spelled up. Constantly fall from hiding, rarely have crit kills and miss my aim very often. My only thought is, all my extra weight has somethign to do with it even though encumbrance says there is no effect.

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Ranged Weapons.....................| 198 98
Ambush.............................| 198 98
Physical Fitness...................| 93 21
Dodging............................| 198 98
Arcane Symbols.....................| 50 10
Magic Item Use.....................| 50 10
Harness Power......................| 25 5
Disarming Traps....................| 223 123
Picking Locks......................| 223 123
Stalking and Hiding................| 198 98
Perception.........................| 198 98
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 50 10

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4

Would I be best picking up another weapon type being I have so many points? Staying archer but pulling in more PT and CM? Or am I missing something completely?

[Fallen]

Ugh. A rogue with no PT? I know you guys don't use much stamina as an archer, but 21 PT for a SQUARE? That has to be wrong.

[Mtenda]

Yeah that's not gonna work. You'll want that PT for many reasons.

[Fallen]

What society are you in, Gemni? I am assuming COL or Voln due to your lack of PT. Maybe Sunfist can help you out if you aren't using your stamina for anything else.

[CrystalTears]

There used to be a time when all PT was good for was to increase health, so training to that race's max was enough. That's not the case anymore.

At this point you need to train 1x in it for life. It helps with regaining health back faster, increasing stamina, as well as contributing to redux. You don't want to be without it or too little of it, especially as a square.

[Mtenda]

I have a lot of TPs to spend, ~400PTP and ~180 MTP. Just hit 47. Would like some input on what i could do with my points. Currently I feel that I dont do real well hunting fully spelled up. Constantly fall from hiding, rarely have crit kills and miss my aim very often. My only thought is, all my extra weight has somethign to do with it even though encumbrance says there is no effect.

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Ranged Weapons.....................| 198 98
Ambush.............................| 198 98
Physical Fitness...................| 93 21
Dodging............................| 198 98
Arcane Symbols.....................| 50 10
Magic Item Use.....................| 50 10
Harness Power......................| 25 5
Disarming Traps....................| 223 123
Picking Locks......................| 223 123
Stalking and Hiding................| 198 98
Perception.........................| 198 98
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 50 10

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4

Would I be best picking up another weapon type being I have so many points? Staying archer but pulling in more PT and CM? Or am I missing something completely?

If you are constantly falling from hiding then you might want to consider picking up enough CM for shadow mastery. If you are having trouble aiming and getting crit kills then you could maybe change weapon styles altogether.

Also, what are you hunting that is giving you so much trouble?

[Gemni]

Anything finds me in the shadows. I was full 3x before my fixskills still being found. Anything from shan to banshees. Before my fixskill i was 2x PT from back 7 years ago well before all the changes. I dont mind going to 1x but really what does that do for me? I dont need the stam, it adds 2.8% to redux. So what else does it do for me?

Think tonight I will put all my stuff into my cloak and give it to a friend to hold and go out again and see what happens. Even if I go to 1x PT I have ~310/170 left any other suggestions?

Yes I am COL, I also thought about dropping picking to 2.0 if I took up another weapon if I need the points. my AS is 336 with bow. I dont have any issues with getting hit so much, but have plenty with attacks that I need movement such as roa'ters coming from the ground.

You can not ambush with polearms and 2 handers? Is that correct?

[Mtenda]

Anything finds me in the shadows. I was full 3x before my fixskills still being found. Anything from shan to banshees. Before my fixskill i was 2x PT from back 7 years ago well before all the changes. I dont mind going to 1x but really what does that do for me? I dont need the stam, it adds 2.8% to redux. So what else does it do for me?

Think tonight I will put all my stuff into my cloak and give it to a friend to hold and go out again and see what happens. Even if I go to 1x PT I have ~310/170 left any other suggestions?

Yes I am COL, I also thought about dropping picking to 2.0 if I took up another weapon if I need the points. my AS is 336 with bow. I dont have any issues with getting hit so much, but have plenty with attacks that I need movement such as roa'ters coming from the ground.

PT also helps with defense against CM as well as many other mundane checks.

I don't know about Shan but banshees are unusually perceptive from what I remember and aren't really an ideal hunting choice for rogues for other reasons anyway. Pretty sure you can't crit them at all. My best suggestion would be to find another hunting ground.

[Kitsun]

Falling out of hiding and missing your target often may be due to overhunting. If you're too low level for the creature, you'll miss a LOT. Once you're in the right range, you'll notice a significant difference.

Falling out of hiding may also be due to only 2x in hiding. When my rogue was sniping, I went for a full 3x with Shadowmastery.

[m444w]

Look at those those two critters... Shan and Banshees... Two of the most perceptive creatures for their age in the entire game. It took me being 3.5x hiding before I could hide with any regularity in Shan.

All my past experience with sniping have told me if you want to snipe 3x hiding is the way to go. Either get to 3x hiding, or pick up ewave, or maybe even do both.

You also have no CM, wspec to arrows, pick up disarm, if you want more get more, if you have ewave you should be alright.

[CrystalTears]

Shan are not recommended for rogues, simply because they're dogs with player abilities. They're also a pain in the ass to kill on general principle and swarm like mad, which makes it harder for rogues with no crowd control. Trust me, skip the shan. There are far easier things to hunt in Ta'Illistim with squishy heads.

[Fallen]

Weapon speccing to Arrows gives the AS bump when fired from a bow?

[Alfster]

Yah, Shan and banshee's you want to stay the hell away from as a rogue.

[Asha]

Yeah you can ambush with 2 handers. My rogue Ithrael was wtfpwn at that.

[Ausek]

Weapon speccing to Arrows gives the AS bump when fired from a bow?

correct. You can't wspec a bow, only the arrow/bolt.

[Gemni]

Thanks for all the input, I really do appreciate it.
So far I see I can get 410, or just use my items with 410 on them. I apparently have picked 2 of the worst critters for hiding with. Look for CM at least to get +10 AS more and possible disarm or shadow mastery.

I move to archery because at the time very few were doing it. Now I come back and everyone and their sister is an rogue archer. So instantly it turns me away from using it. I may look to a 2 hander setup with the next fixskill.

[Ignot]

Can rogues 1x Arcane Symbols? That skill is the shizznit.

[Fallen]

Can rogues 1x Arcane Symbols? That skill is the shizznit.

All professions can 1x Arcane Symbols, pures can 2x the skill.

[Carl Spackler]

at 47, go hunt sand devils on teras... they're easy as sin. When you get to 50 hunt the volcano... teras can carry you all the way to 72-73... illistim for a bit then back to teras, simple.

[Gemni]

One more question I have read all on shadow mastery but have yet to see what the real details are. Does each rank equal that of 10 bonus in shadow?

[Mtenda]

at 47, go hunt sand devils on teras... they're easy as sin. When you get to 50 hunt the volcano... teras can carry you all the way to 72-73... illistim for a bit then back to teras, simple.

That's pretty much the path my rogue went down. Highly recommend it.

[Ignot]

All professions can 1x Arcane Symbols, pures can 2x the skill.

Well then this guy should 1x them

[Carl Spackler]

One more question I have read all on shadow mastery but have yet to see what the real details are. Does each rank equal that of 10 bonus in shadow?


master shadow mastery as soon as you can. it makes a huge difference. faster hide times and 1sec. sneak are great. do you have guild skills at all?

[Fallen]

Well then this guy should 1x them

Arcane Symbols are definitely worth it for those that are willing to spend time/silvers in using outside aid. A lot of people are either too much of a purist, or just too lazy to take advantage of such tools. Not a knock on them, but a general statement. If Gemni doesn't mind buying scrolls and seeking out the services of a sorcerer from time to time Arcane Symbols is by far the most cost (TP and Silver) effective means of increasing your AS/DS/TD.

[Carl Spackler]

my current rogue at 65

at level 65), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 190 90
Shield Use.........................| 165 65
Combat Maneuvers...................| 166 66
Edged Weapons......................| 232 132
Ambush.............................| 232 132
Physical Fitness...................| 166 66
Dodging............................| 166 66
Arcane Symbols.....................| 70 15
Magic Item Use.....................| 50 10
Harness Power......................| 105 25
Elemental Mana Control.............| 50 10
Disarming Traps....................| 232 132
Picking Locks......................| 190 90
Stalking and Hiding................| 232 132
Perception.........................| 232 132
Climbing...........................| 140 40
Swimming...........................| 140 40

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 14

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 3
Training Points: 199 Phy 0 Mnt (738 Phy converted to Mnt)
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and


I'd master stun maneuvers too, they've saved my ass plenty in fire mages and skull temple

[Gemni]

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Combat Maneuvers...................| 120 30
Ranged Weapons.....................| 198 98
Ambush.............................| 198 98
Physical Fitness...................| 149 49
Dodging............................| 198 98
Arcane Symbols.....................| 50 10
Magic Item Use.....................| 50 10
Harness Power......................| 25 5
Disarming Traps....................| 223 123
Picking Locks......................| 223 123
Stalking and Hiding................| 198 98
Perception.........................| 198 98
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 90 20

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4
Training Points: 172 Phy 54 Mnt

This is looking little bit better did push my AS to 349(ranged) with COL. From here I will work towards ewave and more harness power... Thanks

[Mtenda]

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Combat Maneuvers...................| 120 30
Ranged Weapons.....................| 198 98
Ambush.............................| 198 98
Physical Fitness...................| 149 49
Dodging............................| 198 98
Arcane Symbols.....................| 50 10
Magic Item Use.....................| 50 10
Harness Power......................| 25 5
Disarming Traps....................| 223 123
Picking Locks......................| 223 123
Stalking and Hiding................| 198 98
Perception.........................| 198 98
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 90 20

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4
Training Points: 172 Phy 54 Mnt

This is looking little bit better did push my AS to 349(ranged) with COL. From here I will work towards ewave and more harness power... Thanks

What did you spend your CM points on?

[m444w]

you could also drop to 2x pick and disarming and use those points to pick up 410, still good enough to get most of your own boxes, and pop any you can't, and you can see the traps. I would personally do that, people place too much importance on 3x picking/disarm

[Gemni]

I put all 30 into wspec to get +10 AS.

In addition if I went to 2x disarm/pick it would making lock mastery little easier to accomplish. Drops my max from 763/309 lock/trap to 693/281 not much of a difference. Would gain a lot of points back to disperse as you suggested into getting 410 much sooner.

What about armor use? I have 80 currently using 5x somewhat crit padded hauberk, would I be better off to hit 90 and switch over to some 5x augmented?

[Mtenda]

I put all 30 into wspec to get +10 AS.

In addition if I went to 2x disarm/pick it would making lock mastery little easier to accomplish. Drops my max from 763/309 lock/trap to 693/281 not much of a difference. Would gain a lot of points back to disperse as you suggested into getting 410 much sooner.

What about armor use? I have 80 currently using 5x somewhat crit padded hauberk, would I be better off to hit 90 and switch over to some 5x augmented?

You'd be better off wearing a 4x MBP in most cases for the same 80 ranks. Sell that hauberk to a ranger and go buy yerself somethin nice.

Edit: Eh wait a minute. If you are planning on casting e-wave eventually keep the hauberk if you can muster enough points to go to 130 ranks. Though, IMO it's better to wear MBP for 80 and get your e-wave from imbeds which have no casting failure. Depends on how self-sufficient you wanna be I guess. E-wave imbeds are not hard to get though. Many stock their shops with them.

[Gemni]

Sorry double post...

[Gemni]

I would rather have better armor and just use embeds.

Unless things have changed isnt hauberk and MBP the same crit factor except for the chest piece, MBP has plate dmg factor and hauberk has chain dmg factor?

[droit]

Look for CM at least to get +10 AS more and possible disarm or shadow mastery.

CM doesn't help your AS as an archer.

EDIT: Oh, I see. you're looking to get AS from wspec>arrows. I think you should get confirmation that that works. I haven't heard it before.

[LadyLaphrael]

What about armor use? I have 80 currently using 5x somewhat crit padded hauberk, would I be better off to hit 90 and switch over to some 5x augmented?

I know most folks laugh at the hauberk for rogues, but I've been perfectly happy in my swcp hauberk since I can use flaring arm and leg greaves for cmans and guild skills without having to train up to half-plate.

If you can find good flaring accessories, my vote is to stay with hauberk. That's my two cents. Besides, this sort of thing is always good for a laugh.

A greater earth elemental pounds at you with its heavy earthen fists!
AS: +409 vs DS: +407 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +84 = +124
... and hits for 4 points of damage!
Glancing blow to your right leg!

** Your mithril leg greaves release a shimmering beam of disintegration at the earth elemental! **

... 25 points of damage!
Hunks of muscle and bone disappear from left leg!

AS: +409 vs DS: +407 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +81 = +121
... and hits for 4 points of damage!
Blow nicks your left hand.

** Your iron arm greaves release a shimmering beam of disintegration at the earth elemental! **

... 30 points of damage!
Left hand spasms and sprays blood as flesh and bone are torn away!

[Gemni]

CM doesn't help your AS as an archer.

EDIT: Oh, I see. you're looking to get AS from wspec>arrows. I think you should get confirmation that that works. I haven't heard it before.

I can verify it did work for me.

[Wesley]

I dont mind going to 1x but really what does that do for me? I dont need the stam, it adds 2.8% to redux. So what else does it do for me?

Little late in getting here, but where are you getting that 2.8% number? If it's from Tsoran's spreadsheet, it's wrong. Tsoran's still uses the GS3 formula for redux. It says so on there somewhere, but at any rate it's not correct anymore.

[CrystalTears]

CM doesn't help your AS as an archer.

EDIT: Oh, I see. you're looking to get AS from wspec>arrows. I think you should get confirmation that that works. I haven't heard it before.
I think you'll see a difference if you don't have a 5x bow and aren't using 5x arrows. I had both so I never considered getting wspec as I thought it capped at +50 no matter what.

[LeDru]

If you're in Illi, hunt the hell out of Vor'Taz (super squishy), then Faeroths (more squishy) then the blighted forest-Ogres (avoid the stupid boars they can smell you). None of them are super perceptive. Just a thought.

[DaCapn]

30 CM points for +10 AS has always seemed like a waste to me. I'd be more inclined to get surge (30 points to master) to reduce RT, or work towards mastering smastery (35 points to master).

If you're playing a race that has a STR penalty, surge is pretty much required.

[thefarmer]

I think you'll see a difference if you don't have a 5x bow and aren't using 5x arrows. I had both so I never considered getting wspec as I thought it capped at +50 no matter what.

You can't wspec ranged or thrown.

[SolitareConfinement]

I think you'll see a difference if you don't have a 5x bow and aren't using 5x arrows. I had both so I never considered getting wspec as I thought it capped at +50 no matter what.

i use a 6x bow and ebladed arrows and still wspec the arrow and still receive the +10 to the AS. i know this because i had to unlearn my wspec in falchions so i can wspec my arrows so it happened 1 rank at a time and watched my AS grow by 2 each rank. i'm sure there is a way to change your wspec without unlearning your ranks but i'm not sure how to do so so i just unlearn my wspec ranks and re-learn them *shrugs*

[m444w]

wspec to your arrows. There is no cap.

[Gemni]

master fletcher... so my 5x bow and 5x arrows... wspec did give me +10 AS tested verify complete.

I am already at max roundtime speeds so surge isnt going to bust thru those caps as I always have 509 on. I went ahead and trained up armor so I could wear some aug plate I had sitting around and have to say I am very happy with those points spent.

[CrystalTears]

I wish I had known that earlier! Ah well. Maybe in a year or two when I reactive. :D