Have you ever used a racial slur against a minority?

[aesir]

I'm gonna assume most of you all here are white but if not you can also answer too, don't mind.

Clarify below on what who and why.


I bring this up because I think I may have advertently said something racist to a co-worker today. I thought he was mexican he was Indian. Anyhow... Argh... I need reinforcement.

[BriarFox]

Yes, but only ironically or jokingly, as far as I can remember.

[NocturnalRob]

I bring this up because I think I may have advertently said something racist to a co-worker today. I thought he was mexican he was Indian. Anyhow... Argh... I need reinforcement.
it depends. what's your background?

[diethx]

Yes.

[Stanley Burrell]

How close to a tanning salon are you?

[Drakefang]

Are you asking if we've said it to their faces? Does it count if it wasn't?

The answer is yes. I'm not even ashamed of it, since every last race has used a racial slur against white men. Do I use it in daily conversation, hell no. Usually anger is involved or frustration over their lack of comprehension of the English language...stuff like that. I'd say 80% of the time I think it, not say it too.

I'd not consider myself a bigot, though. It's not that prevalent in my life. Let's say I might use certain terms maybe once a week, as an average.

If I were to put it into context, I use the word, gay, in a negative manner much more often than that. I wouldn't consider myself a homophobe simply because I do that. Granted they'd probably not appreciate me doing so...I'm just not PC enough to care.

Guess that makes me an evil gay bashing racist white pig...or maybe that just makes me human instead of a saint.

[TheEschaton]

I don't call things gay in a negative manner. Nor do I use any racial slurs any more, even in the "yo, my negro" kinda way.

Unless it's against white people, because frankly, 6000 years of oppression needs an outlet somewhere, and imo, it's better calling you a white honky sister fucker than it is for me to kill you. You have to pay for your sins, yanno. You don't get to simply throw up your hands, elect a black man president, and go, "Whoops, our bad," and think that suddenly makes centuries of oppression, slavery, and colonization okay.

-TheE-

[Drakefang]

My advice to you would be to simply tell your co-worker you are very sorry. Your ethnic slur was both out of line at work and totally inappropriate. Most people regardless of race, creed or color take pretty kindly to a sincere apology.

[Drakefang]

I don't call things gay in a negative manner. Nor do I use any racial slurs any more, even in the "yo, my negro" kinda way.

Unless it's against white people, because frankly, 6000 years of oppression needs an outlet somewhere, and imo, it's better calling you a white honky sister fucker than it is for me to kill you. You have to pay for your sins, yanno.

-TheE-

Congrats. How'd you know I banged my sister?

[Daniel]

Are you asking if we've said it to their faces? Does it count if it wasn't?

The answer is yes. I'm not even ashamed of it, since every last race has used a racial slur against white men. Do I use it in daily conversation, hell no. Usually anger is involved or frustration over their lack of comprehension of the English language...stuff like that. I'd say 80% of the time I think it, not say it too.

I'd not consider myself a bigot, though. It's not that prevalent in my life. Let's say I might use certain terms maybe once a week, as an average.

If I were to put it into context, I use the word, gay, in a negative manner much more often than that. I wouldn't consider myself a homophobe simply because I do that. Granted they'd probably not appreciate me doing so...I'm just not PC enough to care.

Guess that makes me an evil gay bashing racist white pig...or maybe that just makes me human instead of a saint.

You win the award for inadvertent comedic post of the day.

[Stanley Burrell]

How are you supposed to use racism on a white person? You'd have to know their specific ethnicity in order to call them a Mick or a Guinea. I'd laugh if someone called me a "honky" or a "kyke" or a "kyke honkey fishbelly."

I think if we tried, we could reclaim "fishbelly" and save it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6OselVRTsM

[Parkbandit]

I don't call things gay in a negative manner. Nor do I use any racial slurs any more, even in the "yo, my negro" kinda way.

Unless it's against white people, because frankly, 6000 years of oppression needs an outlet somewhere, and imo, it's better calling you a white honky sister fucker than it is for me to kill you. You have to pay for your sins, yanno. You don't get to simply throw up your hands, elect a black man president, and go, "Whoops, our bad," and think that suddenly makes centuries of oppression, slavery, and colonization okay.

-TheE-


While I realize your post is mostly in jest.. it's sad that there are many people who really think this way.

I shouldn't be held responsible for things I didn't partake in anymore than you shouldn't be held responsible for things you didn't partake in. I have no white guilt.. sorry.. since I have nothing to feel guilty for.

[Mtenda]

While I realize your post is mostly in jest.. it's sad that there are many people who really think this way.

I shouldn't be held responsible for things I didn't partake in anymore than you shouldn't be held responsible for things you didn't partake in. I have no white guilt.. sorry.. since I have nothing to feel guilty for.

It's not about what you did or did not do as much as what you benefit from.

[Tea & Strumpets]

I don't call things gay in a negative manner. Nor do I use any racial slurs any more, even in the "yo, my negro" kinda way.

Unless it's against white people, because frankly, 6000 years of oppression needs an outlet somewhere, and imo, it's better calling you a white honky sister fucker than it is for me to kill you. You have to pay for your sins, yanno. You don't get to simply throw up your hands, elect a black man president, and go, "Whoops, our bad," and think that suddenly makes centuries of oppression, slavery, and colonization okay.

-TheE-

I'm not sure what your point is or if you are joking. I do agree that Americans elected a black president as a giant trick by the white man. I suspect that the 6 white guys that rule the world (all of which are American and whose fortunes were built in plantation times) were sick of England bragging about having a female prime minister.

[Parkbandit]

It's not about what you did or did not do as much as what you benefit from.

Ah.. I didn't realize that because Anglo-Saxons once had Africans as slaves, that it somehow made me a hard worker and someone who worked his way up from a small engine repair helper to a pizza maker to a hotel housemen to a hotel GM to a hotel Area Manager to an owner of his own businesses.

Good to know though.. I guess.

Wait.. how the FUCK did Obama get to be the most powerful man in the world again??? According to your theory.. that fucking gig should be MINE!

[Mtenda]

Ah.. I didn't realize that because Anglo-Saxons once had Africans as slaves, that it somehow made me a hard worker and someone who worked his way up from a small engine repair helper to a pizza maker to a hotel housemen to a hotel GM to a hotel Area Manager to an owner of his own businesses.

Good to know though.. I guess.

Wait.. how the FUCK did Obama get to be the most powerful man in the world again??? According to your theory.. that fucking gig should be MINE!

What? That does not make any fucking sense.

Did you work hard to get what you have? Good for you.

Obama got to where he is because of hard work also. Good for him.

Do you honestly think that your obstacles are the same as a minority or woman who works just as hard?

[Warriorbird]

Ah.. I didn't realize that because Anglo-Saxons once had Africans as slaves, that it somehow made me a hard worker and someone who worked his way up from a small engine repair helper to a pizza maker to a hotel housemen to a hotel GM to a hotel Area Manager to an owner of his own businesses.

Good to know though.. I guess.

Wait.. how the FUCK did Obama get to be the most powerful man in the world again??? According to your theory.. that fucking gig should be MINE!

I'm sure having minorities around to complain about (them and their free rides!) helps make you feel better about not rising higher.

I mean (and this bit is an all honesty) ... your rise has been pretty incredible. Just think what you could have accomplished if you were black!

[diethx]

What? That does not make any fucking sense.

Did you work hard to get what you have? Good for you.

Obama got to where he is because of hard work also. Good for him.

Do you honestly think that your obstacles are the same as a minority or woman who works just as hard?

It made sense to me. Maybe you came across saying something you didn't mean to say? Your earlier statement made it sound like white people need to feel guilty because they benefit from what slaveholding white people did hundreds of years ago.

[Khariz]

I answered no, but then read the discreetly part. I change my answer to yes. Sorry.

[Parkbandit]

What? That does not make any fucking sense.

Did you work hard to get what you have? Good for you.

Obama got to where he is because of hard work also. Good for him.

Do you honestly think that your obstacles are the same as a minority or woman who works just as hard?

We all have obstacles in our life... it's how you get over them which defines you.

You can bitch and moan about the wall in front of you.. blaming someone else for it... or you can grab a ladder and climb over it.

I grabbed the same ladder that is available to anyone in America.

[Parkbandit]

I'm sure having minorities around to complain about (them and their free rides!) helps make you feel better about not rising higher.

I mean (and this bit is an all honesty) ... your rise has been pretty incredible. Just think what you could have accomplished if you were black!

I don't complain about minorities actually.. I complain about those individuals who use race as an excuse for their lack self motivation and responsibility.

My accomplishments had nothing to do with my race.. are you somehow trying to say that Obama's accomplishments did?

[Mtenda]

It made sense to me. Maybe you came across saying something you didn't mean to say? Your earlier statement made it sound like white people need to feel guilty because they benefit from what slaveholding white people did hundreds of years ago.

You're right. I misinterpreted his original post which is why his response didn't make any sense to me. My B.

[Drakefang]

You win the award for inadvertent comedic post of the day.

Probably so. I'm not sure how comedic it really was, so much as it was an honest answer. Props to anyone who has never once uttered something racially or ethnically motivated. ~shrug~

[Ignot]

I called my GF a slave today but we joke about that stuff.

[Hulkein]

You have to pay for your sins, yanno. You don't get to simply throw up your hands, elect a black man president, and go, "Whoops, our bad," and think that suddenly makes centuries of oppression, slavery, and colonization okay.

-TheE-

Because blaming current day whites for 'centuries of...' makes a lot of sense. You'd fit right in at the Gaza strip. I'll hold out hope you were joking.

Yes I've used racial slurs, both out of anger and joking around. I don't do it much anymore and I don't judge people before I get to know them simply because of their race. That's all a person can really ask of another, imo.

[thefarmer]

http://post-gazette.com/images4/051608_Flag_Pin.gif

Also, Yes.

[Warriorbird]

I don't complain about minorities actually.. I complain about those individuals who use race as an excuse for their lack self motivation and responsibility.

My accomplishments had nothing to do with my race.. are you somehow trying to say that Obama's accomplishments did?

I'd say Obama's accomplishments occurred in spite of racism.

As I mentioned the last time we had this discussion the only time you bring minorities up here is to "complain about those individuals who use race as an excuse" and recently to mock people for liking Obama... so, what impression is one supposed to get?

[Jorddyn]

Unless it's against white people, because frankly, 6000 years of oppression needs an outlet somewhere, and imo, it's better calling you a white honky sister fucker than it is for me to kill you. You have to pay for your sins, yanno. You don't get to simply throw up your hands, elect a black man president, and go, "Whoops, our bad," and think that suddenly makes centuries of oppression, slavery, and colonization okay.


You can't expect someone who wasn't around during slavery and colonization to take responsibility for the actions of those who were.

I fully recognize and appreciate the perks that come with being white. That doesn't mean I'm going to apologize for having been born, and it sure as hell doesn't give you the right to insult me because you're upset about opression by someone else with the same color skin any more than it gives me the right to strip search you at an airport because you're beige. Want to get mad? Get mad at the right people.

Edited to add: After reading down, others whose heads are probably on straighter than mine thought you were kidding. I sure as hell hope this is the case, because I thought you had gone off the deep end.

[Clove]

Nigga please.

[Parkbandit]

I'd say Obama's accomplishments occurred in spite of racism.

As I mentioned the last time we had this discussion the only time you bring minorities up here is to "complain about those individuals who use race as an excuse" and recently to mock people for liking Obama... so, what impression is one supposed to get?

So we've had this discussion before.. yet you still cling to some preconceived notions that have been dismissed as false. Sounds like you are either really stupid.. or just stubborn.

You should get out of Louisiana more I suppose.. there are plenty of people around the world that don't use race to judge and pigeon hole others.

[SHAFT]

I voted maybe, but I know I have acted like a rascist before. I hate rascist people too. I know I've said things under my breathe many times.

[diethx]

I voted maybe, but I know I have acted like a rascist before. I hate rascist people too. I know I've said things under my breathe many times.

So why not just vote yes?

[Miscast]

Fucking half-elves. Just who do they think they are? And don't even get me started on Krolvins.

[Stunseed]

Nigga please.


This.

Also, they stole my bike. End.

Satirical value only, I'm not a racist.

[Cephalopod]

The stock market is one crazy nigga, nigga.

[Clove]

This.

Also, they stole my bike. End.

Satirical value only, I'm not a racist.http://nsconanb.ytmnd.com/

[Warriorbird]

So we've had this discussion before.. yet you still cling to some preconceived notions that have been dismissed as false. Sounds like you are either really stupid.. or just stubborn.

You should get out of Louisiana more I suppose.. there are plenty of people around the world that don't use race to judge and pigeon hole others.

Classic Republican 'No U!'

Seriously... if you want people to get different impressions... take a look at the content you put out there.

:D

And yes... I think Louisiana has more racial issues than many places but it is hardly the only place I've lived and people can at least be somewhat honest with themselves about it... something I'm not sure can be said for some of the rest of the Deep South, or whatever the heck you call Florida.

[CrystalTears]

Florida isn't considered the Deep South.

Just saying.

[diethx]

Florida isn't considered the Deep South.

Just saying.

:yeahthat:

There are more northerners than southerners in FL these days.

[ElanthianSiren]

Clarify below on what who and why.



Boondocks gets stuck in my head all the time, and I'll spontaneously quote it to my boyfriend. The first time I heard the Uncle Rufus song it was stuck in my head for fucking days, so definitely then, yes.

[Tea & Strumpets]

I'm positive I've repeated every racial slur I've ever heard.

[Warriorbird]

I know Florida isn't... that's why I said or 'whatever the heck you consider it.'

[diethx]

Florida still sucks just as much as the south though, heh.

[CrystalTears]

I know Florida isn't... that's why I said or 'whatever the heck you consider it.'
So who were you trying to insult with the Deep South comment?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I wonder how long it'll be before being white is a minority. Hell, being a white, straight, man is definitely discriminated against.

[Parkbandit]

Classic Republican 'No U!'

Seriously... if you want people to get different impressions... take a look at the content you put out there.

:D

And yes... I think Louisiana has more racial issues than many places but it is hardly the only place I've lived and people can at least be somewhat honest with themselves about it... something I'm not sure can be said for some of the rest of the Deep South, or whatever the heck you call Florida.

There was no "Classic Republican 'NO U!' at all. You made an ignorant ASSumption (like usual) and were slapped back to reality. Don't project your deep southern roots upon others..

[Parkbandit]

So who were you trying to insult with the Deep South comment?


Hopefully, himself... since Baton Rouge is far more south than anywhere in Florida (well.. maybe the GA/FL border..)

[Parkbandit]

I wonder how long it'll be before being white is a minority. Hell, being a white, straight, man is definitely discriminated against.


You are nothing but a racist, sexist, homophobe. You sicken me.

[SHAFT]

So why not just vote yes?

Because I'm in love with you die. I'll say anything to get a response from you....... hehehehehehehe;)

[Stanley Burrell]

When I lived in Florida, North Florida was much more Southern and South Florida was way more Northerner.

Also, I could not live there because I am too lazy to keep using ant-killer all year round without a Winter season to kill all the dirty arthropods.

I am tremendously racist against insects. Especially when you find out waterbugs can fly. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Three times ugh.

[diethx]

Because I'm in love with you die. I'll say anything to get a response from you....... hehehehehehehe;)

Ha, tard.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You are nothing but a racist, sexist, homophobe. You sicken me.

You know, my entire family is from the deep south too :( I think I'm doomed to be painted into that racist, sexist, homophobe, stereotype corner.

If I had blonde hair and blue eyes, I'd have to move to Germany.

[Parkbandit]

When I lived in Florida, North Florida was much more Southern and South Florida was way more Northerner.

Very true.




Also, I could not live there because I am too lazy to keep using ant-killer all year round without a Winter season to kill all the dirty arthropods.

That's because you are going about it wrong.

Step #1: Prevent them from entering your house. Caulk any holes or gaps in your house/windows/doors.

Step #2: Kill them before they enter with a strong granular treatment around the entire perimeter of your house.

Step #3: Kill them in your yard with another strong granular treatment throughout your lawn.

Step #4: Spray a residual inside your home around the entire perimeter of each room (make sure it's pet safe )

[Stretch]

You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Racists.

The only people I hate more than insensitive / intolrenat people are black people.

[Fallen]

I called a black kid a nigger to his face when I was in Latch key around fifth grade. I didn't really know the meaning of the word then, just that it was offensive. He turned off my nintendo when I was playing Goonies 2, and I just shouted it at him. He punched me in the eye. I don't use racial slurs much anymore.

True story.

[Clove]

You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Racists.

The only people I hate more than insensitive / intolrenat people are black people.And the Dutch.

[Tisket]

I can honestly say I've never used a racial slur against a minority. Unless you count words like "bitch", "asshole", cunt, etc. as racial epithets. Turns out that bitches, assholes and cunts come in all colors (and genders). And I find those names more satisfying to use.

[aesir]

Ok, my only big racial thing before this incident was a few years back when I was dating a woman of a nonwhite descent. I NEVER in a million years would have used racial slurs and would defend her in public like someone was murdering her if anyone even whispered a slur to her.

But the real wierd thing is, and I'm being totally serious, that during intercourse she begged me to use racial slurs against her. Maybe it's just women go insane when it comes time to do the dirty? But, I was kinda traumatized by that experience. It still haunts me whenever I look at a pretty girl of her racial descent.:scared:

[Warriorbird]

So... did the Penthouse Letters reject you?

[Daniel]

I wonder how long it'll be before being white is a minority. Hell, being a white, straight, man is definitely discriminated against.

Rofl.

[Warriorbird]

Man.

[Back]

Satirical value only, I'm not a racist.

This. And with religion.

The only time I’ve gotten into trouble was when a guy used the term getting “jewed” by someone and as an explanation on how wrong that was I suggested his mom was a cracker. He nearly popped my head off like a Bud Light twist off cap. And this was between two white guys.

[radamanthys]

I called a kid a nigger right to his face is 1st grade.

I had never heard the word before. We were wrestling, and he said "don't you dare call me a nigger". Like any first grader, I did.

*shrug*

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Rofl.

I said that tongue in cheek Daniel. I mean I know straight white men aren't discriminated against for those things on the majority, BUT by definition "the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discriminating) categorically rather than individually b: prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment <racial discrimination>", anyone can be discriminated against very easy.

Take the deep south comment, that's discriminating based on geographic location.

[CrystalTears]

Uhm, nobody. It's a regional descriptor. Put the pom poms down.
A regional descriptor for where you live more than Florida. So I thought it was pretty fucking stupid for you to say in the first place.

[Stanley Burrell]

Wait-wait-wait.

If you say something bigoted about your own religion, or say to a cousin or friend of that same religion "Whattup my 'kyke'/Jew-nigga?!?!" does that count?

Obviously not in earshot of black people or touchy-feely family members.

Oh yeah, I grew up in the Bronx most of my life (the North Bronx, but the Bronx nonetheless) and pasty white Irish kids used to constantly flip the N word at each other, but like, not even in a joking manner. Or an aggressive fashion. They were saying it like they truly were a darker shade of brown. It was absurd. Maybe it's racist of me to think that a conversation between two albinos can't go:



"Whattup my nigga?"
"Oh yeah: It's all good my nigga."
"So yeah, you wanna kick it with my Irish or Scottish cousins down at the pub this weekend, nigro?"
"Nah, nigga-nigga-nigga, I'm too busy with this reading bullshit."

::pound:: ::pound::



I guess I might sound a little ebonical when I talk, but holy shit: Language and common fucking sense need some serious distinguishment.

[Sweets]

I answered no, but then read the discreetly part. I change my answer to yes. Sorry.

:rofl:

[Beguiler]

Is calling someone a dipshit a racial slur/bigotted?

Seriously though, I have in the past, but since I work for <twitch> a government agency, my consciousness of what I say, who I say it to, how I say it, has been seriously raised. I find that there is no need to cast aspesions on someone's race, sex, etc. since if someone seriously pisses me off, I have lots of other things to call them, ergo dipshit, douche, assholiness, etc.

wait..wut? :nono:

[DeV]

I shouldn't be held responsible for things I didn't partake in anymore than you shouldn't be held responsible for things you didn't partake in. I have no white guilt.. sorry.. since I have nothing to feel guilty for.I completely agree. In the same token, I shouldn't be held responsible for things I've never asked for such as apologies, reparations, acknowledgement, and last but not least 40 acres and a mule.

To answer the question, no.

Racial slurs aren't funny to me, nor were they designed to be. They're hateful. Despite that, I'm extremely tolerant because using racial slurs doesn't automatically make one racist. Plus racism comes in all colors and ethnic groups and its more likely a direct result of willful ignorance or deep-seated fears about the unknown than simply not liking someone because of their skin color.

[Killer Kitten]

I was raised to be a bigot. I got home from school one day and walked into a block party.
I asked what the occasion was and was told "The nigger is dead!" That was the first time I ever heard of Martin Luther King.

My first day of kindergarten I referred to one of my black classmates as a nigger. I spent the next six years (my whole elementary school career) getting pushed around in the locker room and chased home from school, even though the initial reaction taught me that the word was inappropriate and I never called anybody that again.

Once I moved away to New York City the bigot part of my upbringing went away. It's hard to live in such a melting pot and not see that people are just people.

So, yeah, I used to live racial slurs, not just use them. Of course, the kid I used the n-word on did promptly use the h-word in return. Since we were both 5 at the time, she probably learned her word the same place I learned mine, at home.

[Trouble]

I've never said it to anyone's face as an insult but in discussions I have used offensive terms. It's usually in the context of differentiating between people who are happy/proud of their race/culture and not afraid to show it versus the type of person who advertises their race/culture as a means to taunt other people. Every race/culture has those types of people, including whites. An example would be people who openly follow Norse Paganism as a means to embrace their european heritage vs people who follow it 'loudly' as a thin veil for White Supremacy.

[g++]

A few times I have forgotten people I know quite well are gay and called actual gay people "gay" when Im hammered and trying to say their lame or whatever. Im aware it would be better to just use the word lame but old habits die hard.

[Hulkein]

I'm surprised that "that's gay" has been erased from my vocab so easily considering how often people used it growing up. I hear the younger people use it at work (and by younger I mean still in undergrad) and I cringe for them. Not because I actually care at all but because I know it is going to get them in trouble one day.

[Warriorbird]

A regional descriptor for where you live more than Florida. So I thought it was pretty fucking stupid for you to say in the first place.

Nobody from here said anything. Just you and SHM... hmm, agenda?

If you want to pick a fight do it over something relevant. At the least we got a nearly thread ending comment from SHM. Want to step up and say how discriminated against straight white men are too?

Or can you just not get past your dislike of me going after Parkbandit for what he posts here?

I thought it was kind of bold for the PC to get this thread. Of course I'm going to stir it up.

I guess you can go back to attributing things that aren't there to my comments.

[Parkbandit]

A few times I have forgotten people I know quite well are gay and called actual gay people "gay" when Im hammered and trying to say their lame or whatever. Im aware it would be better to just use the word lame but old habits die hard.

Yea.. I used the term "cocksucker" as a term to display my displeasure with someone... until I was playing poker one night with a friend who happened to be gay.

I turned about 3 shades of red.. but he was very cool about it and we laughed most of the night... especially when he called me a pussy licker.

[Parkbandit]

Nobody from here said anything. Just you and SHM... hmm, agenda?

If you want to pick a fight do it over something relevant. At the least we got a nearly thread ending comment from SHM. Want to step up and say how discriminated against straight white men are too?

Or can you just not get past your dislike of me going after Parkbandit for what he posts here?

I thought it was kind of bold for the PC to get this thread. Of course I'm going to stir it up.

I guess you can go back to attributing things that aren't there to my comments.

:rofl:

It must suck to live in that glass house... especially in Louisiana in the summer.

You were probably just better off to let it go and move on.. but that would be the smart thing to do.

I'm also about 100% sure she wasn't somehow coming to my defense against you.. I've yet to need any help.

[CrystalTears]

Nobody from here said anything. Just you and SHM... hmm, agenda?

If you want to pick a fight do it over something relevant. At the least we got a nearly thread ending comment from SHM. Want to step up and say how discriminated against straight white men are too?

Or can you just not get past your dislike of me going after Parkbandit for what he posts here?

I thought it was kind of bold for the PC to get this thread. Of course I'm going to stir it up.

I guess you can go back to attributing things that aren't there to my comments.
I'm from Florida, you dipshit. So yeah, you calling Florida the Deep South as some sort of insult of apparently how people there think. Either that or you're insulting your own kind since YOU are in the deep south.

You don't like PB so you pick on him very chance you get. My dislike for you has nothing to do PB and everything to do with you just being a jerk on your own merit.

[Parkbandit]

I'm from Florida, you dipshit. So yeah, you calling Florida the Deep South as some sort of insult of apparently how people there think. Either that or you're insulting your own kind since YOU are in the deep south.

You don't like PB so you pick on him very chance you get. My dislike for you has nothing to do PB and everything to do with you just being a jerk on your own merit.

Um.. newsflash CT..

I CONTROL ALL OF FLORIDA. YOU MOVED OUT SO YOU SHOULD ONLY POST WITH REGARDS TO CONNECTICUT.

Thanks.

[Warriorbird]

If I'm the idiot, why do you argue with me all the time? That makes you the mongoloid retard of all time. Congrats. -CT

Way to be too chickenshit to post something out in the open and include a slur on a minority.

Why do I argue with you? I think you represent a mentality and I like to argue. It's also funny when a grown woman steps up with a 'double retard' insult. I'm deeply moved. Really.

[CrystalTears]

Way to be too chickenshit to post something out in the open and include a slur on a minority.:banghead:

[Parkbandit]

This would all have a point if I'd been insulting anybody. I do insult people quite a fair amount but I usually telegraph it.

Here you go. Of all the stupid argument points on the PC this has been one of the dumbest I've ever encountered, CT. You're a fucking idiot.

Way not to talk about race or how we post about it or even about using racial slurs.

Since you are the one doing the most arguing.. I mostly agree about it being one of the most dumbest arguments on the PC. Seems like a recurring theme with you.

[g++]

I'm surprised that "that's gay" has been erased from my vocab so easily considering how often people used it growing up. I hear the younger people use it at work (and by younger I mean still in undergrad) and I cringe for them. Not because I actually care at all but because I know it is going to get them in trouble one day.

eh the context is so far removed from the literal its certainly not a direct assault on homosexuals. Obviously its unfortunate people like me are locked into using the terms but I seriously just cannot help it, somewhere in that zone between shooting pool terrible and walking into stop signs I revert back to that vocabulary and aside from not drinking there is not much I can do about it.

[aesir]

I think the point is... using those words like calling a gay person "fag" or a black person "nigger" does far more to insult them. They make the person feel excluded from society so they begin to change (probably for the worse). Also, words like that focuses people's hate ultimately it brings a hate just from the word and not necessarily from the race or person in question. So it perpetuates stereotypes and hate and can destroy a society.

I would venture a guess and say that there were probably many a young black boy who had a lot of potential and was constantly called a "nigger" by white people reminding him how he's "not part of society" and ultimately ended up going "fuck this..." as he throws his calculus text book out the window.. "I am a nigger! If you want me to be a nigger Im gonna be one" then ends up joining some gang.

[g++]

"fuck this..." as he throws his calculus text book out the window.. "I am a nigger! If you want me to be a nigger Im gonna be one" then ends up joining some gang.

You said the N word.

[mrjrd222]

I'm gonna assume most of you all here are white but if not you can also answer too, don't mind.

Clarify below on what who and why.


I bring this up because I think I may have advertently said something racist to a co-worker today. I thought he was mexican he was Indian. Anyhow... Argh... I need reinforcement.



I will have the enchilada platter with two tacos and no guacamoles



They think I'm Mexican

lol?

Edited to add:

Captain O'Hagan: What's the significance of this John Chimpo fella?
Foster: You know those really cheap Japanese cartoons? No? This is basically a cheaper, Afgahni knockoff. It's this monkey that basically travels around the world, doing nasty things. His butler tries to keep him in line, but, uh... no.
Rabbit: It's really funny, Cap. It's Afghanistanimation!
Captain O'Hagan: The monkey has a butler? Great. Is that what they do in Arabia, Thorny?
Ramathorn: How the hell should I know?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Nobody from here said anything. Just you and SHM... hmm, agenda?

If you want to pick a fight do it over something relevant. At the least we got a nearly thread ending comment from SHM. Want to step up and say how discriminated against straight white men are too?

Or can you just not get past your dislike of me going after Parkbandit for what he posts here?

I thought it was kind of bold for the PC to get this thread. Of course I'm going to stir it up.

I guess you can go back to attributing things that aren't there to my comments.

Dude I don't give a shit about the deep south comment, I only mentioned it because it was timely and relevant to this thread since it'd come up. I was entirely offtopic and poking fun is all. Think what you want, but not all the deep south is full of bigots.

Stop bashing the straight white man!

[Warriorbird]

I don't particularly think it is. I still don't know what you'd call Florida, geographically.

[Back]

Stop bashing the straight white man!

Amen brotha! Ahem, I meant... succinctly put old bean.

[Proxy]

Yes I have, and always to their face.

[thefarmer]

The Deep South has some great cooking.

[Drunken Durfin]

Fucking crackers.

[Tisket]

Of course, the kid I used the n-word on did promptly use the h-word in return.

h-word? Honky? Does anyone in the world find that word offensive enough to merit a hyphenation? If someone called me a honky I'd burst out laughing. It's just so dated that it evokes bad 70's tv and movies.

[iJin]

The mexicans won't get off my lawn.

[Drakefang]

The mexicans won't get off my lawn.

Call INS.

[TheRunt]

Yes I have to their face and discreetly, in seriousness and jest.



Obama got to where he is because of hard work also. Good for him.

Do you honestly think that your obstacles are the same as a minority or woman who works just as hard?

In some cases yes I have been turned down for a promotion, and was told informally of course, that it was because they needed more women and blacks to meet quotas even though I was better at it then them.


My accomplishments had nothing to do with my race.. are you somehow trying to say that Obama's accomplishments did?


Rofl.

Do you think that if Obama was white he would of been Elected? I personally don't. I think we would of had a good chance at Hillary or McCain. Probably Hillary with Palin being thrown in the mix although if Obama wasn't the DNC candidate not sure if Palin would of been picked for VP.


Nigga please.

Get it right its "Shit Nigga please" at least in the area I'm from.


I wonder how long it'll be before being white is a minority.

There was a Boone County comic years ago that I wish I could find, i. I can't remember it exactly but it was something like I'm not black, hispanic or oriental. I'm not a wasp, jew or pagen. I'm not even a member of the moral majority minority. I'm so majority I'm a minority.

The two funniest times I can remember a racial or sexual orientation slur being used was once by me and once by my nephew

The first was myself I went on a camping trip with my g/f at the time and a guy from work who was hispanic and his family. Second night there were sitting around the campfire and he looks at me and says "Your pretty cool for a cracker" So I replied "Well your pretty cool for a spic" Damn did he get pissed about that. I explained to my co-worker I was just returning the compliment and he told me that the word "spic" was objectionable to his family so I asked him how did he think I took the term cracker? He didn't have much of a response to that.

The other was my brother and I were sitting at his house with his two sons and the one sons boyfriend Liza Minelli came on tv and the one son and his boyfriend started talking about her and how they liked her then went on to discuss showtunes. The younger brother without even thinking about it said "That's so gay" They started to go off on him for stereotyping and my bro chimed in and told them "Look you like show tunes and Liza and your both hairdressers how much more stereotypical can you get?" The look on their face was priceless.

[Clove]

CARTMAN! Did you use the F-word?!
Jew?

[Warriorbird]

h-word? Honky? Does anyone in the world find that word offensive enough to merit a hyphenation? If someone called me a honky I'd burst out laughing. It's just so dated that it evokes bad 70's tv and movies.

I think her and PB and Mabus grew up back then or earlier.

[DeV]

Do you think that if Obama was white he would of been Elected? Yes.

Do you think if McCain was black he would have been elected?

McCain lost because Obama ran a better campaign. Plus, Obama could have gotten 100% of the black vote and still lose.

[Killer Kitten]

h-word? Honky? Does anyone in the world find that word offensive enough to merit a hyphenation? If someone called me a honky I'd burst out laughing. It's just so dated that it evokes bad 70's tv and movies.


I was born in 1958 and graduated high school in 1975. In my "formative years" the h-word was in general usage. It was really insulting for a white person to be called a honky.
I can't know how a black person feels about being called a nigger, but I remember vividly how awful it felt to be called a honky.

And I loved my platform sandals and bellbottoms!

[Warriorbird]

In some cases yes I have been turned down for a promotion, and was told informally of course, that it was because they needed more women and blacks to meet quotas even though I was better at it then them.
-TheRunt

Isn't that a convenient excuse? If you'd been a better candidate wouldn't they just have arranged things so it never became an issue? I think anybody can fall into a trap of blaming their problems on other people and not confronting them themselves no matter what their skin color. Ironically that's what Jesse Jackson was going to 'cut Obama's nuts off' for saying.

What Mtenda said was whether you'd 'faced the same obstacles' as someone who was a minority. Those usually start a long time before you get to the working world.

I can't lie... I've gotten a lot of benefits and second chances that members of most minorities never would have. I think most white people do. I don't necessarily think that that's all due to racism, however, (though some of it is) but due somewhat to culture (and that's what minorities in America have to confront... and that's a very loaded and unpleasant discussion (witness Obama v Jackson)).

I think that the folks who blame (or whine about) black people (because they didn't get something that they thought was their due) fall into the same trap that black Americans do when they think that the only problem they face is racism.

[g++]

Isn't that a convenient excuse? If you'd been a better candidate wouldn't they just have arranged things so it never became an issue?

You mean disregarded the law on affirmative action? Is there a loophole in the law for when people are really really good at their job?



What Mtenda said was whether you'd 'faced the same obstacles' as someone who was a minority. Those usually start a long time before you get to the working world.

I can't lie... I've gotten a lot of benefits and second chances that members of most minorities never would have. I think most white people do. I don't necessarily think that that's all due to racism, however, (though some of it is) but due somewhat to culture (and that's what minorities in America have to confront... and that's a very loaded and unpleasant discussion (witness Obama v Jackson)).

I have not got shit for being white and my family are poor first generation immigrants. In fact in Baltimore its kind of a disadvantage to be white. Can I start writing minority on my applications?

[BigWorm]

I don't particularly think it is. I still don't know what you'd call Florida, geographically.

America's penis

[Stanley Burrell]

I don't particularly think it is. I still don't know what you'd call Florida, geographically.

Northern Cuba.

Or very Southwestern Lithuania.

[Warriorbird]

You mean disregarded the law on affirmative action? Is there a loophole in the law for when people are really really good at their job?



I have not got shit for being white and my family are poor first generation immigrants. In fact in Baltimore its kind of a disadvantage to be white. Can I start writing minority on my applications?

Really? How are your family ties? How is education valued? Reference Malcolm Gladwell's 'Outliers' if you think you're at a disadvantage.

Advantage isn't just 'being given things.' Values and culture can be a tremendous advantage.

As to the 'dodge affirmative action' bit? There's lots of ways to work around that sort of thing. Just do a bit of thinking.

[g++]

Really? How are your family ties? How is education valued? Reference Malcolm Gladwell's 'Outliers' if you think you're at a disadvantage.

You want me to read some rediculous book you read for a sociology class. Nah.



Advantage isn't just 'being given things.' Values and culture can be a tremendous advantage.


Are you saying that because I am white my values and culture are inherently better than other peoples? Wow. So if I get a tan will my culture and values change?



As to the 'dodge affirmative action' bit? There's lots of ways to work around that sort of thing. Just do a bit of thinking.

Well I would love to hear just one that is not a violation of federal law. Get back to me on that.

[Warriorbird]

I generally detest sociology, g++, so don't pigeonhole me into that rut. Malcolm Gladwell writes quick and thoughtful books about social topics. He wrote 'The Tipping Point' in part about a phenomenon that helped explain how Giuliani cleaned up New York. 'Outliers' is about success and some of the counter-intuitive things that lead to it.

I'm not saying it's 'because you're white' at all. I'm saying that first generation immigrant families often possess values that encode for success in America. You're trying to make this into an argument or some sort of 'racial superiority' issue.

Do you have strong family ties? Does your family value education? Do you feel like your only avenues of success are drug dealing, sports, or rap? I doubt it.

As for your final point about affirmative action, there are many situations where management can make a new position with specific recommendations for a person to fill said new position. It isn't disobeying Federal law in the slightest. Alternately, if it is a simple matter of quota... they may have valued one person above another... and worked to fill the quota in another part of an organization.

[Proxy]

WTF??! since when was either cracker or honkey considered an offensive racial slur? they just make me laugh. :shrug:

[Warriorbird]

We reclaimed them.

[g++]

I generally detest sociology, g++, so don't pigeonhole me into that rut. Malcolm Gladwell writes quick and thoughtful books about social topics. He wrote 'The Tipping Point' in part about a phenomenon that helped explain how Giuliani cleaned up New York. 'Outliers' is about success and some of the counter-intuitive things that lead to it.

I'm not saying it's 'because you're white' at all. I'm saying that first generation immigrant families often possess values that encode for success in America. You're trying to make this into an argument or some sort of 'racial superiority' issue.

Do you have strong family ties? Does your family value education? Do you feel like your only avenues of success are drug dealing, sports, or rap? I doubt it.

As for your final point about affirmative action, there are many situations where management can make a new position with specific recommendations for a person to fill said new position. It isn't disobeying Federal law in the slightest. Alternately, if it is a simple matter of quota... they may have valued one person above another... and worked to fill the quota in another part of an organization.

I was not calling you a sociologist I was simply stating Im not going to read some archaic book you mention. You actually knew that already you just mentioned the book to seem more authoritive on the subject were talking about. You actually did it again mentioning the tipping point, nice.

We are discussing affirmative action which is a racial issue. When you say things like well there are other ways you can gain advantage such as culture and values your implicitly saying some races cultures and values are advantageous because race is the only thing that applies to this particular discussion.

So your solution is to just create fictitious executive positions so that you can trick the law into allowing your good worker in and simultaneously pay a person who fits the quota for the same job in the same company. Might work in the auto industry I guess.

Im not even going to get into the whole drug dealing, rap, sports thing. Getting kind of sick of introducing liberals to actual black people.

[Tsa`ah]

You mean disregarded the law on affirmative action? Is there a loophole in the law for when people are really really good at their job?

Affirmative action states that in a field of equally qualified candidates, the position will go to the minority candidate. This applies only to government jobs/contracts ... so I assume a military position would qualify as such.

Now if he (theRunt) holds a government position/contract and was told they needed more women or blacks ... then perhaps he's personally overstating his qualifications. It could also be (in the case of a non-government job) that his employer has assumed the law applies to the company and also assumes that he/she has to promote/hire more minorities.

Then again, it could also be a case of pandering for a positive opinion ... in any case it's not the fault of the minority.

[Warriorbird]

I was not calling you a sociologist I was simply stating Im not going to read some archaic book you mention. You actually knew that already you just mentioned the book to seem more authoritive on the subject were talking about. You actually did it again mentioning the tipping point, nice.

We are discussing affirmative action which is a racial issue. When you say things like well there are other ways you can gain advantage such as culture and values your implicitly saying some races cultures and values are advantageous because race is the only thing that applies to this particular discussion.

So your solution is to just create fictitious executive positions so that you can trick the law into allowing your good worker in and simultaneously pay a person who fits the quota for the same job in the same company. Might work in the auto industry I guess.

Im not even going to get into the whole drug dealing, rap, sports thing. Getting kind of sick of introducing liberals to actual black people.

Archaic? It was a number one bestseller. Pretty common, honestly.

You said that you hadn't had anything given to you as a first generation immigrant. I gave a counterpoint.

The rest is just your axe to grind.

I said nothing about 'fictious executive positions' I merely gave a way people work around affirmative action. My point, a very conservative one I may add, regarding TheRunt was if they wanted TheRunt enough they could have made room.

Your actual black people quote is pretty funny too, given how little you know of my background.

I don't blame my problems on black people.

[g++]

Your actual black people quote is pretty funny too, given how little you know of my background.

I don't blame my problems on black people.



Do you feel like your only avenues of success are drug dealing, sports, or rap?

Yah I mean unless I put your stereotypes into the context of who you are as a person how could I possibly agree or disagree with them. You think its ok to stereotype people as long as your position is advantageous to them which is dumb.

Disagreeing with affirmitive action does not mean you blame your problems on black people no matter how much you would like to have that argument.

[Warriorbird]

You're still avoiding my initial point.

There's a fair bit of proof that being a first generation legal immigrant is an actual societal advantage.

... and I'm against affirmative action.

Way to stereotype.

[g++]

You're still avoiding my initial point.

There's a fair bit of proof that being a first generation legal immigrant is an actual societal advantage.

... and I'm against affirmative action.

Way to stereotype.



What Mtenda said was whether you'd 'faced the same obstacles' as someone who was a minority. Those usually start a long time before you get to the working world.

I can't lie... I've gotten a lot of benefits and second chances that members of most minorities never would have. I think most white people do. I don't necessarily think that that's all due to racism, however, (though some of it is) but due somewhat to culture (and that's what minorities in America have to confront... and that's a very loaded and unpleasant discussion (witness Obama v Jackson)).


LOL so you agree with all the reasoning behind affirmative action but are against the actual law. So essentially your like...there really is an inherent gap in ability to achieve that can determined by ethnicity and race in America and I will argue on message boards to prove it but at the same time fuck them lets keep it unfair. Thats your stance? Alrighty. I think I understand now.
/wrists

[Warriorbird]

Oh... I think there are gaps... (by culture/racism, not 'race' itself) ... I just don't think affirmative action is the way to deal with them at this point in time.

My main disagreement with TheRunt is the idea that people get 'passed over for promotion' because of affirmative action. I think that's what people tell themselves to feel better.

It's a fucked up system but not something I think people can pin their problems on.

[g++]

Oh... I think there are gaps... (by culture/racism) ... I just don't think affirmative action is the way to deal with them at this point in time.

My main disagreement with TheRunt is the idea that people get 'passed over for promotion' because of affirmative action. I think that's what people tell themselves to feel better.

It's a fucked up system but not something I think people can pin their problems on.

Well we essentially agree then though we have some huge differences of opinion on every topic inbetween apparently.

[Ben 2.0]

I'm gonna assume most of you all here are white but if not you can also answer too, don't mind.

Clarify below on what who and why.





NO, NEVER

[TheRunt]

Isn't that a convenient excuse? If you'd been a better candidate wouldn't they just have arranged things so it never became an issue?



Now if he (theRunt) holds a government position/contract and was told they needed more women or blacks ... then perhaps he's personally overstating his qualifications. It could also be (in the case of a non-government job) that his employer has assumed the law applies to the company and also assumes that he/she has to promote/hire more minorities.


Wasn't a govt job it was a casino job in gary IN. They were promoting dealers to dual rate floor supervisors. Specifically in craps. The person they gave the promotion to was blackjack and let it ride. I was craps/black jack. They ran her through a 4 week crash craps class to get her "qualified to supervise". We both had been hired in at the same time and both had similar attendance along with general casino exp.

[Warriorbird]

Filling a quota was more important than what they thought of you. Sucks... but similar has happened to me before. In a different situation I benefited from being valued more than filling a quota. I was given a new position to avoid having to submit to open hiring.

I don't blame the minority candidate for the one job loss... I blame myself and the law.

[TheEschaton]

This thread is fucking hilarious.

As for whether I was serious or not - of course I was joking. I don't call white people honkys to their face or behind their back. In fact, I don't use racial or sexual or any slurs to any person, to their face, or behind their back. I still answered yes, cause I did once upon a time.

At the same time, I don't believe we only have to make up for our own deficencies. I'll apologize for dumbasses like Jesse Jackson and reparations, not because I agree with them or because I'm black, which I'm not. I'll apologize cause it's a fucking ridiculous idea posited by people who purport to be advocating minority rights and viewpoints, and I am a minority. I believe men have a greater burden to show that they support female equality, and I believe white people have a greater burden to show that they support minority equality.

It's all real convenient to say, "Hey, I didn't do nothin'!", to focus the scope to one of solely individual responsibility. It was how white people stood by and watched L.A. burn during the Rodney King riots, like they had watched Chicago, Selma, and all those other places before. And to be fair, minorities do the same thing when the Black Panthers or the NAACP (two completely different organizations before anyone says OMG HE THINKS THE NAACP IS TEH BLACK PANTHERS). At some point, though, we have to face the fact that we are responsible for each other, and, that we are our brothers' keeper. And that applies to responsibility for my brothers' actions, both in a general worldwide sense, and in a racial group sense.

I'm drunk, I admit it, I have no idea what the fuck I'm saying. Yay to drinking alone.

-TheE-

[Clove]

At some point, though, we have to face the fact that we are responsible for each other, and, that we are our brothers' keeper. And that applies to responsibility for my brothers' actions, both in a general worldwide sense, and in a racial group sense.
-TheE-Fine and when a person admits that something done in the past by others like him was wrong and makes sure he doesn't do the same thing or allow others to continue doing the same thing- that's taking responsibility.

Often, however, you sound like you advocate paying the debt of anothers' wrongs. In that sense you may as well spend time in jail every time an Indian commits a crime out of "a sense of responsibility for your brothers' actions"

[Gan]

I have no idea what the fuck I'm saying. -TheE-

This is SO sig-worthy.

:lol: