Sancted armor

[DoctorUnne]

What exactly does this mean? I found a suit of vaalorn augmented chain. The bard who sung to it told me it's +18, 23 lbs and "sanctified for cleric or paladin use." Could you guys please help me out and clarify?

Thanks

[mrjrd222]

It's sanctified like any weapon would be, while worn by a cleric/paladin. I'm pretty sure only a Paladin would get any use out of it, as the armor can accept 1608 - Guiding Light, and get double plasma flares on offensive maneuvers. Unfortunately Guiding Light flares aren't reactive like other armor flares though.

All in all it's still pretty cool stuff.

[Widgets]

To further elaborate, manuevers can also work on Undead with Sancted Armor, if the undead is able to be hit by the manuever

[DoctorUnne]

So does that mean that cmans won't work on undead without blessed / sancted armor or just that it won't flare? I have flaring leg guards that work on undead with sweep and they're not blessed or sancted...

So you're saying that when the armor is worn by a paladin (or cleric but clerics are unlikely to wear augmented chain), the armor will flare against undead both reactively and offensively if a cman is used. In addition, if the paladin casts 1608 on the armor he/she will get double flares on offensive cmans but still only the regular flare on reactive hits?

[Back]

Hmm. When I played my sword (hatchet) and board paladin I had to constantly Voln bless my vultite based shield to use cman sbash against corporal undead and it never flared.

Nice find.

[Fallen]

Hmm. When I played my sword (hatchet) and board paladin I had to constantly Voln bless my vultite based shield to use cman sbash against corporal undead and it never flared.

Nice find.

Voln Bless /= Guiding light flares.




1608

A Paladin may channel her spiritual energy into a holy weapon (sanctified) adding plasma criticals, to cause it to flare up to two times against a foe. Guiding Light may even be cast upon magical sanctified weapons if the caster's Paladin Spell ranks + Spiritual Lore, Blessing ranks = 15 or greater. The plasma criticals will flare on any type of creature, but only for Paladins and Clerics who wield the holy weapon.

Each time the weapon fails to flare, the base percent chance it will flare increases each successful hit until a flare occurs. For the second flare, the base chance is increased with training in the Spiritual Lore, Blessings skill, providing an additional 4% at 3 ranks, with the maximum bonus of 68% at 187 ranks.


You still need the spell even if the armor is sancted. However, just being blessable isn't enough for Guiding Light flares, which is unfortunate. They really fucked Pali's with that particular stipulation. Few high end weapons/armor/shields are sancted, and you cannot enchant sancted crap.

[Back]

Voln Bless /= Guiding light flares.

Ah. True. Its been a while.

[Fallen]

Ah. True. Its been a while.

It's a common mistake. People think that if an item is blessable it can hold Guiding Light flares. It SHOULD, IMO, but it can't. I think I am going to ask for a rank threshold for that to change.

[DoctorUnne]

You still need the spell even if the armor is sancted. However, just being blessable isn't enough for Guiding Light flares, which is unfortunate. They really fucked Pali's with that particular stipulation. Few high end weapons/armor/shields are sancted, and you cannot enchant sancted crap.

Okay, so what you're saying then is that being sancted allows the armor to hold 1608, whereas if it was not sancted 1608 wouldn't work on it. With 1608 the armor will flare, and sometimes double-flare, on an offensive CMAN but it will never flare reactively. Without 1608 the armor will never flare, but a paladin or cleric can still use offensive CMANs against corporeal undead. If the armor was not sancted you would need to bless it to use these CMANs. Is that all correct?

I still don't understand then why I can sweep seekers with my fire-flaring leg guards even though I have never had them blessed. Do armor accessories and armor function differently in this respect? Is it because I'm using the guild version of sweep and not the CMAN?

[Fallen]

>>>Okay, so what you're saying then is that being sancted allows the armor to hold 1608, whereas if it was not sancted 1608 wouldn't work on it. With 1608 the armor will flare, and sometimes double-flare, on an offensive CMAN but it will never flare reactively. Without 1608 the armor will never flare, but a paladin or cleric can still use offensive CMANs against corporeal undead. If the armor was not sancted you would need to bless it to use these CMANs. Is that all correct?>>>>

Armor/accessories being blessed allows them to strike undead with offensive maneuvers, yes, and they certainly wont flare defensively. As far as I know 1608 DOES NOT add defensive(reactive) flares to armor, but I could be wrong on that. If it does, it isn't in the spell description. I will try to ask for clarification on that issue.

>>>>>I still don't understand then why I can sweep seekers with my fire-flaring leg guards even though I have never had them blessed. Do armor accessories and armor function differently in this respect? Is it because I'm using the guild version of sweep and not the CMAN?>>>>>

The only thing I can think of is that they are Sancted AS WELL AS being fire-flared. If not, then that is either a bug with Seekers, or with Guild Sweep.

Edited to add: Err..Them being sancted wouldn't aid you as you're a rogue, not a cleric/paladin. That ability sounds like a bug. I suggest you shut up about it unless you want to see it nerfed.

[DoctorUnne]

The only thing I can think of is that they are Sancted AS WELL AS being fire-flared. If not, then that is either a bug with Seekers, or with Guild Sweep.

Edited to add: Err..Them being sancted wouldn't aid you as you're a rogue, not a cleric/paladin. That ability sounds like a bug. I suggest you shut up about it unless you want to see it nerfed.

Was the rest of my post about the sancted armor accurate?

It's not a bug with seekers since it works on corpses too. Maybe it's guild skills functioning differently than cmans. I'll try to find someone with cman sweep to test it out. I'll also try it without my leg guards to see if that works because if not then it's the leg guards. I can also try cman sucker punch. I know nosetweak works on them as a guild skill and I don't have blessed arm armor.

[Fallen]

>>>Okay, so what you're saying then is that being sancted allows the armor to hold 1608, whereas if it was not sancted 1608 wouldn't work on it. With 1608 the armor will flare, and sometimes double-flare, on an offensive CMAN but it will never flare reactively. Without 1608 the armor will never flare, but a paladin or cleric can still use offensive CMANs against corporeal undead. If the armor was not sancted you would need to bless it to use these CMANs. Is that all correct?>>>>

Armor/accessories being blessed allows them to strike undead with offensive maneuvers, yes, and they certainly wont flare defensively. As far as I know 1608 DOES NOT add defensive(reactive) flares to armor, but I could be wrong on that. If it does, it isn't in the spell description. I will try to ask for clarification on that issue.

[mrjrd222]

Sweep is different, since it doesn't do any damage, it can land on undead as well as the living. If you tried bullrush/bearhug/shieldbash/shieldcharge/headbutt on the undead with a non blessed (or non sanctified if you're a paladin) armor/armor accessory, it wouldn't work.

I think.

[Fallen]

Oh, and 1608 does not grant reactive flares.

[DoctorUnne]

Sweep is different, since it doesn't do any damage, it can land on undead as well as the living. If you tried bullrush/bearhug/shieldbash/shieldcharge/headbutt on the undead with a non blessed (or non sanctified if you're a paladin) armor/armor accessory, it wouldn't work.

I think.

Ok cool, that makes sense. Although just because sweep itself doesn't do damage doesn't mean my leg guards can't flare for 40-70 and crit kill the seeker, which happens a lot. Fire-flares rock against undead. By that rationale then sucker punch shouldn't work since that does damage... I'll try it out when I'm home.

I understand how the armor works now, thanks both of you for your help. Now hopefully I can find a paladin to buy it.

[DoctorUnne]

I tested sucker punch (which does damage) against a corpse and it does not work. I get the "you hack away but the undead are immune to that form of attack" message that implies you need a bless.

So looks like that's the answer. If it does damage then you need a bless to do it to undead. The only other possible explanation is it's a cman vs. guild skill thing, which I can't test since I don't know any cmans that don't cause damage. Nor do I know any guild skills that do cause damage. But unless someone can prove either way I think the damage vs. no damage thing sounds more plausible since it wouldn't make much sense for guild sweep to work but not cman sweep.