Staff Vs. Shield.

[Hasina]

Is a runestaff or a shield better for a cleric?

[Stunseed]

My Cleric is Brawling/Shield and still hunts with ease.

[Sean]

weapon/shield .. staffs are lame.

[Kitsun]

Train for runestaves and carry a shield. Heh.

[Drew2]

I train for Runestaff for the increased magical benefits. That, and I can cast open hand without having to put anything away or losing DS.

I have had no real problems with runestaff and have no desire to change to weapon/shield. Why swing if you don't have to? And it's not like Clerics (or empaths) can be as good as a square anyway.


Brawling/Shield is a good alternative if you're Voln. Open handed and Voln-Fu would probably be fine.


[Edited because I suck at life.]


[Edited on 2-10-2004 by Tayre]

[Nakiro]

Archery.

heh Celeri swings at about 400 in her 60's so you empaths can be better than squares or right with them for a good part of your lives

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by The Edine
heh Celeri swings at about 400 in her 60's so you empaths can be better than squares or right with them for a good part of your lives

Yeh, till they loose Heroism and Bravery ;)

[Drew2]

Originally posted by The Edine
heh Celeri swings at about 400 in her 60's so you empaths can be better than squares or right with them for a good part of your lives

Oh, don't get me wrong. In GS3 Tayre swung hard for anyone his age of any profession... but in GS4 with the increased cost for weapon and shield proficeincy, it's just not worth the magic sacrifice, especially since we can't ambush or anything to save our life.

[MPSorc]

my cleric is only 36, and a staff user, and he doesn't seem to be having any problems hunting his train or even 5 or so levels above his train even, although i am considering rolling him back to weapon/shield just for RP reasons

[Reyek]

well since i dont like to stance dance when i hunt i hold a shield. :)

[Drew2]

Oh yeah... lots of stance dancing....


You are now in a neutral stance.
>cbone waern
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>
You channel at a waern.
You concentrate intently on a waern, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward him!
CS: +231 - TD: +179 + CvA: +25 + d100: +84 == +161
Warding failed!
The waern shudders with sporadic convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop his body.
The waern is crushed for 65 points of damage!
... 35 points of damage!
Strong blow to back!
The waern is stunned!
... 40 points of damage!
Hard blow to chest breaking ribs!
Hard to breathe!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>cbone waern
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>
You channel at a waern.
You concentrate intently on a waern, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward him!
CS: +231 - TD: +179 + CvA: +25 + d100: +66 == +143
Warding failed!
The waern shudders with sporadic convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop his body.
The waern is smashed for 59 points of damage!
... 40 points of damage!
Hard blow to temple scrambles brain!
The waern falls to the ground and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>search waern
...wait 1 seconds.
>search waern
You search the waern.
It had nothing of interest.
A waern decays into a compost of fangs and fur.
>l
[Bonespear Tower, Stairwell]
One of the stairs has cracked so badly that it's one heavy foot away from snapping, and judging from the appearance of the rest of this tower, it doesn't appear as if anybody will be along to repair it in the near future. A look downward reveals that any mistep will surely result in a horrendous fall with nothing less than a grisly death as its reward.
Obvious exits: south, up, down
>d
d
[Bonespear Tower, Stairwell]
The stairs continue both upward and downward from this vantage, but a flickering light down one passage invites those with courage to step out of the narrow stairwell. The air is very stale, but while the scent is unpleasant, it is still breathable. You also see a waern.
Obvious exits: east, south, up, down
>[Bonespear Tower, Stairwell]
Spiral stairs made of braided rib-bones are coiling up out of sight and into the upper reaches of the tower, but there is nothing but darkness and gloom above. An occasional shriek pierces the eerie calm. You also see a dybbuk.
Obvious exits: south, up
>cbone dyb
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>
You channel at a dybbuk.
You concentrate intently on a dybbuk, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +231 - TD: +184 + CvA: +25 + d100: +29 == +101
Warding failed!
The dybbuk shudders with moderate convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The dybbuk is battered for 20 points of damage!
... 10 points of damage!
Blow grazes right leg.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>cbone dyb
...wait 1 seconds.
>
...wait 1 seconds.
>cbone dyb
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>
You channel at a dybbuk.
You concentrate intently on a dybbuk, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +231 - TD: +184 + CvA: +25 + d100: +55 == +127
Warding failed!
The dybbuk shudders with sporadic convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The dybbuk is smashed for 42 points of damage!
... 20 points of damage!
Blow grazes neck lightly.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>cbone dyb
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>
You channel at a dybbuk.
You concentrate intently on a dybbuk, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +231 - TD: +184 + CvA: +25 + d100: +34 == +106
Warding failed!
The dybbuk shudders with moderate convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The dybbuk is battered for 23 points of damage!
... 10 points of damage!
Stubs right hand finger.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>cbone dyb
A dybbuk swings a length of rusted chain at you!
AS: +289 vs DS: +305 with AvD: +17 + d100 roll: +44 = +45
A clean miss.
>
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>
You channel at a dybbuk.
You concentrate intently on a dybbuk, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +231 - TD: +184 + CvA: +25 + d100: +64 == +136
Warding failed!
The dybbuk shudders with sporadic convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The dybbuk is smashed for 45 points of damage!
... 20 points of damage!
Blow grazes right leg.
... 30 points of damage!
Blow to neck tears tissue.
The dybbuk is stunned!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>sign ward
...wait 1 seconds.
>sign ward
Your dancing fingers weave a web of protection around you!
>sign def
>
Your dancing fingers weave a web of protection around you!
>sign shield
Your dancing fingers weave a web of protection around you!
>cbone dyb
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>
You channel at a dybbuk.
You concentrate intently on a dybbuk, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +231 - TD: +184 + CvA: +25 + d100: +78 == +150
Warding failed!
The dybbuk shudders with sporadic convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The dybbuk is smashed for 55 points of damage!
... 20 points of damage!
Blow connects with abdomen.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>
A dybbuk swings a length of rusted chain at you!
AS: +279 vs DS: +340 with AvD: +17 + d100 roll: +64 = +20
A clean miss.
>cbone dyb
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>
You channel at a dybbuk.
You concentrate intently on a dybbuk, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +231 - TD: +184 + CvA: +25 + d100: +78 == +150
Warding failed!
The dybbuk shudders with sporadic convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The dybbuk is smashed for 56 points of damage!
... 15 points of damage!
Blow connects with abdomen.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>1119
You concentrate while murmuring the simple, mystical chant for Strength Of Will...
Your spell is ready.
>
You gesture.
You feel an aura of resolve surround you. The exhilarating sensation sends your heart racing and a warm flush tingling through your body.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>cbone dyb
Wait 1 sec.
>
You can only channel certain spells for extra power.
>cbone dyb
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>
You channel at a dybbuk.
You concentrate intently on a dybbuk, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +231 - TD: +184 + CvA: +25 + d100: +97 == +169
Warding failed!
The dybbuk shudders with severe convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The dybbuk is crushed for 65 points of damage!
The dybbuk falls to the ground motionless.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>search dyb
...wait 1 seconds.
>search dyb
You search the dybbuk.
You discard the dybbuk's useless equipment.
It didn't carry any silver.
It had nothing of interest.
The last vestiges of the dybbuk are caught by a dank, cold wind and blown into oblivion.

[Reyek]

ok and since your only hunt 1 level above your train you havent proven anythin expect you talk crap too much, always have. first off your hunting in neutral stance not full offensive. and your casting a CS based spell. try going offensive. I on the other hand hunt 5-10 levels over me. my wizard who uses a staff and has to stance dance hunts 8 levels over him. dybbuk lvl 48- Tayre lvl 47. not too hard there.... do you think about what you say before you say it? or just random babble falls out your mouth?

[Edited on 2-11-2004 by Reyek]

Take it from somebody who uses shield brawling combo
My DS in offence is about 50 above staff uses my train
my DS in defence is about 75 above

[Drew2]

1. Reyek is a moron.

2. I can kill Eidolons, which are 8 trains over me, with almost the same ease as Waerns/Dybbuks. My only problem is it's expensive to use 11 mana on 1-2 Eidolons and wands get used up fast. Sure they can ward me sometimes, but that has nothing to do with runestaff/weapon. In fact, if I had used weapon, I wouldn't have the magic skills that up my warding.

SO MR. REYEK BRANIAC FELLOW GUY... shut up thanks.

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Tayre
1. Reyek is a moron.

2. I can kill Eidolons, which are 8 trains over me, with almost the same ease as Waerns/Dybbuks. My only problem is it's expensive to use 11 mana on 1-2 Eidolons and wands get used up fast. Sure they can ward me sometimes, but that has nothing to do with runestaff/weapon. In fact, if I had used weapon, I wouldn't have the magic skills that up my warding.

SO MR. REYEK BRANIAC FELLOW GUY... shut up thanks.

Tayre, if you save the gold wands you find, I can ask Shale (a friend of mine) to charge them up to 40 waves. :)

Shop bought ones don't work..they gotta be found

[Sean]

yea cause overtraining in scroll use and miu helps me tons.

[Drew2]

Arcane Symbols.....................| 102 24
Magic Item Use.....................| 99 23

.....or not.

[Overlord]

Its all about tanking against critters 23 trains above you pffft

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Tayre
Arcane Symbols.....................| 102 24
Magic Item Use.....................| 99 23

.....or not.

You can't use gold wands?

Hrm..durn, there goes that idea.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Tayre
Arcane Symbols.....................| 102 24
Magic Item Use.....................| 99 23

.....or not.

Wasn't specific to you .. was more specific to my feelings about runestaffs in general. My personal opinion is the extra ranks in non spell rank skills is a waste.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin
You can't use gold wands?


Yes I can.

[Drew2]

I feel like I have a pretty well rounded training. I didn't put anything into anything I didn't need, and I do pretty damn good, I think.

Tayre (at level 47), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Physical Fitness...................| 149 49
Arcane Symbols.....................| 102 24
Magic Item Use.....................| 99 23
Spell Aiming.......................| 198 98
Harness Power......................| 198 98
Mental Mana Control................| 149 49
Spirit Mana Control................| 149 49
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 108 26 (going to 32ish)
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 111 27 (going to 1x)
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 15 3 (currently migrating)
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 78 17(also migrating)
Survival...........................| 138 39 (Migrating to 0)
Perception.........................| 149 49
Climbing...........................| 93 21
Swimming...........................| 54 11
First Aid..........................| 247 147


Your spell lists:
Minor Spiritual...30
Major Spiritual...25
Empath Base.......46 (migrating to 1x and beyond)

[Edited on 2-11-2004 by Tayre]

[Miss X]

I tried my cleric with a staff and she sucked, now im back to brawling/shield and 2x spell aim plus she can use voln fu too so shes a lot better.
I also checked my empaths DS with a staff compared to weapon and shield.... there was a massive difference, she also sucked with a staff, and her bone shatter was no better with a staff since I still manage to 2x lore, and also I can swing at stuff thats immune to bone shatter so all round :heart: shields!

[Miss X]

Gah, that training looks really good Tayre. Now im jealous!

[Reyek]

Reyek is a moron. hmm why not put money where your mouth is and duel me again. see who is the moron when your dead..

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Reyek
Reyek is a moron. hmm why not put money where your mouth is and duel me again. see who is the moron when your dead..

Oh yah..cause killing someones PC in an online game prooves everything, right?

So by pure fact alone that My PC is older then say (picks someone at random) Miss X's PC, That makes her a moron? Oh wait, and because Soulpierced's PC is older then mine and can kill me, I'm a moron? Wake up dude. Who the hell cares about who can kill who. This EXACT reason is why I've been avoiding Dueling.

[Edited on 2-11-2004 by LordAdredrin]

[Galleazzo]

Guys who pull that shit have nothing between the legs in RL. Yeah, I can smoke most every character in GS. What the fuck does that make me? High level, nothing more.

Now on topic, urg. Huntin' ain't easy now, but I got a 7x sword and a 7x shield. I hate to give those up for a runestaff. I'm waiting to flip to paladin.

[Miss X]

Im catching up with you Adredrin so watch out for the killer hobbit!