DS Formula

[Zephyrius]

Well, I asked about this on the main boards, but with no real answer, so I figured I'd ask here.

So what factors go into iguring out archer DS? I'm under the impression that it's Ranged, Perception, and Ambush. Don't know if there's anything else of if that's really how it is. Anyone know the actual hard formula?



-Andre, speaking on behalf of Zephyrius, Ralse, and Nash.

[Bobmuhthol]

I'd assume it would be the same as a two-handers' DS since there's no documentation on it.

It's definitely not ranged, perception, and ambush, though. Only one skill goes into each DS set, so it would just be ranged if anything. Then you wouldn't have any shield DS, and the normal dodge DS.

[StrayRogue]

Bob is wrong. Ambush and Perception key into the Ranged DS equation, AS STATED BY WARDEN. Ranged training, however, is also key and probably the primary factor. Also their is stats and weapon enchant. Bows get more DS than crossbows.

I forgot to mention Dodge adds to your DS as well.

[Edited on 9-2-04 by StrayRogue]

[CrystalTears]

Archery Attack Strength (AS)
Archers can do several things in order to better their Attack Strength (AS). Firstly, training in the Ranged Weapon skill is a necessity. Other Character Manager skills that increase an archer?s strength bonus include Perception and Ambush training beyond the first 40 ranks. The Dexterity stat and certain spells also help with overall strength.

Archery Defense Strength (DS)
Holding the bow or crossbow in the left hand is the first requirement of defense for an archer, providing the archer with a measure of defense to represent that the archer is attempting to remain at range. Weapon skill for right hand weapons (or brawling skill if the right hand is empty) is ignored while Archer Defense is in effect. Other than that, archers calculate their Defense Strength the same way as any other character, using the Evade, Block, and Parry examples in the Combat Guide

[Zephyrius]

-_-

Well, I guess it's still secret, because if it's calculated like normal DS, then I have 13 more DS than I should when I was last trying to figure it out, but I can't crunch the numbers to figure out exactly how that 13 DS appears.

Edit: It's really 6, I was just in a weird room.

[Edited on 2.22.04 by Zephyrius]

[Bobmuhthol]

The only thing I'd be able to help you with is finding your dodging DS, I'm absolutely clueless with anything except a blade.

[Anebriated]

perception and ambush do not play any role whatsoever in DS. Archery DS is based on ranged skill and stat bonus'. i cant remember if its more than just your agility bonus or not.

[StrayRogue]

According to Warden, AKA the person who makes the game work, you're talking bullshit. For an up to date view on the archery changes in GS4, not 3, please go here: http://www.archeryhaven.com/gs4.html

Or, I can dredge up his original post, if you wish.

[crazymage]

Speaker keeps up to date i'd use the site strayrogue posted

[Anebriated]

yep. i just checked it out and its all legit info. they changed alot while i was gone, didnt know that they added perception and ambush into the formula. it isnt their best idea but ill take it anyway.

[Zephyrius]

Well, here's hope that we can crunch some numbers and figure it out...


85 DS in offensive.

34 (agility)
10 (armor)
35 (dodge DS in offensive)

79 + 6 DS in offensive

Where does the 6 come from?


185 DS in defensive

34 (agility)
10 (armor)
47 (dodge DS in defensive)

91 + 94 DS in defensive

where does the 94 come from?

So here are the other stats of mine that may be relavant.


Nash (at level 8), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 10 2
Combat Maneuvers...................| 50 10
Ranged Weapons.....................| 90 20
Ambush.............................| 90 20
Physical Fitness...................| 50 10
Dodging............................| 120 30
Harness Power......................| 10 2
Disarming Traps....................| 50 10
Picking Locks......................| 50 10
Stalking and Hiding................| 120 30
Perception.........................| 120 30
Climbing...........................| 5 1
Swimming...........................| 5 1
Pickpocketing......................| 50 10


Name: Nash Race: Elf Profession: Rogue (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 197 Expr: 62054 Level: 7
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 87 (18) ... 87 (18)
Constitution (CON): 39 (-5) ... 39 (-5)
Dexterity (DEX): 90 (25) ... 90 (25)
Agility (AGI): 89 (34) ... 89 (34)
Discipline (DIS): 72 (-4) ... 72 (-4)
Aura (AUR): 96 (28) ... 96 (28)
Logic (LOG): 54 (2) ... 54 (2)
Intuition (INT): 54 (2) ... 54 (2)
Wisdom (WIS): 66 (8) ... 66 (8)
Influence (INF): 44 (7) ... 44 (7)
Mana: 14 Silver: 325


I'll post updated info when I get my level, should be by Sunday coming or so, depending on how much I can get to play during the week.