A-Rod admits to using steroids

[SHAFT]

Baseball is a joke. I stopped paying attention in the mid 90's. I am curious to know the names of the other 103 players on the list. Its BS his name is the only released. I'm sure Clemens and Bonds are on it, but who else?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3894847

[Sean]

I enjoy baseball a lot. I goto games every year, I watch tons of games when I'm not at games, etc. But I just still can't bring myself to care about whether or not players took roids. But I've battled that out with Latrinsorm enough here.

[SHAFT]

Can you imagine if a story leaked about Michael Jordan or Joe Montana being on roids when they were in their prime? It'd be devastating.

Imagine how the guys who were/are clean in baseball feel?

[NocturnalRob]

like chumps?

[Jorddyn]

Imagine how the guys who were/are clean in baseball feel?

Well endowed?

[SHAFT]

Well endowed?

I believe it only affects the testies, not sure about the penis. It does make the other head bigger, please look at example A below.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k264/keykey52377/barry.jpg

[Skeeter]

all pro sports have a steroid problem. Just nobody cares in the other sports. Explain how shawn merriman tests positive roids, sits out 4 games, and still wins defensive player of the year. Nobody even bats an eye.

Sports writers are so hypocritical. Fuck em.

[SHAFT]

all pro sports have a steroid problem. Just nobody cares in the other sports. Explain how shawn merriman tests positive roids, sits out 4 games, and still wins defensive player of the year. Nobody even bats an eye.

Sports writers are so hypocritical. Fuck em.

You're right. I don't disagree at all.

[mrjrd222]

They've been talking about it, but the biggest thing I see is Baseball is an individual stat game.

In baseball, you take a hall of fame hitter, and put him on the worst team in the league, and he's still going to put up awesome numbers. He might not get the same RBI, but his overall numbers are gonna be great regardless.

Put a hall of fame running back on a team with the worst offensive line/quarterback, and he's not going to put up the same numbers. Football is a team sport through and through.

Plus, they're payed to beat the tar out of each other in football, steroids help them do that (I feel) a lot more than steroids help a baseball player. Steroids don't improve your hand eye coordination, just how far the ball goes IF you hit it well enough. OR they aid recovery, which is why all the pitchers take it. Any of these "great" players taking steroids in baseball, probably could have done 95% of the same thing without the roids. But the draw of 5 million extra per year was too much.

As an aside (not trying to give them excuses) But if someone told me I could be financially secure for the rest of my life if I took this pill/shot/cream for a few years, I'd take it. EVEN if they told me I'd get caught eventually, I'd probably still take it.

[Ignot]

Yeah what Skeeter said. If the very worst player in a sport was on steroids then nobody would care but when a superstar goes on it it makes the headlines. It's kind of getting old and I almost don't care anymore. Also, I am almost sure that it does improve hand eye coordination.

[Stretch]

Can you imagine if a story leaked about Michael Jordan or Joe Montana being on roids when they were in their prime? It'd be devastating.

Imagine how the guys who were/are clean in baseball feel?

Insert conspiracy theory about the real reason why MJ played pro ball here.

[mrjrd222]

I am almost sure that it does improve hand eye coordination.

You don't hear about players coming out of nowhere to be all-stars because of steroids or hgh, you hear about good or great players becoming amazing players, or hurt/old pitchers using them to keep healthy.

[Stanley Burrell]

Well it's a good thing once this report is published that only 103 players in the entire MLB will have used or are using steroids. And that means I can stop thinking that David Ortiz played for Arizona as a skinny guy in the minor league.

I'll go with the rough estimate that douchenozzle Conseco approximated, in that 80% of the players are on anabolic crack.

[LMingrone]

Ehhh...they've all moved to using HGH or steroids that don't show up on tests. I've been a die-hard Yankee fan my whole life, and never wanted Arod on the team in the first place. The guy's a complete douchbag.

The thing that makes me the most angry: I think Griffey has been clean his whole career. I could be wrong. But, if he actually went the route that these juicers went he would have recovered from all his injuries MUCH quicker. He would be the leader in pretty much every hitting stat. Griffey is the best baseball player I have ever seen in my lifetime, and he has to trail behind Bonds, arod, and all these other cheaters.

[Stanley Burrell]

Ehhh...they've all moved to using HGH or steroids that don't show up on tests. I've been a die-hard Yankee fan my whole life, and never wanted Arod on the team in the first place. The guy's a complete douchbag.

The thing that makes me the most angry: I think Griffey has been clean his whole career. I could be wrong. But, if he actually went the route that these juicers went he would have recovered from all his injuries MUCH quicker. He would be the leader in pretty much every hitting stat. Griffey is the best baseball player I have ever seen in my lifetime, and he has to trail behind Bonds, arod, and all these other cheaters.

Word.

If KGJr. is on the juice, that means that in addition to the 80% of players on the juice, there are at least another 50% on the tropical punch.

The other half is mental?

I'd be really surprised if Mariano or Jeter took anything. The chemists are always going to be ahead of the banned substance list anyway.

[LMingrone]

I'd be really surprised if Mariano or Jeter took anything. The chemists are always going to be ahead of the banned substance list anyway.

Yeah, they were talking about these two ALL DAY on The Fan today. I doubt either of them used. But, once again, who fucking knows. I want to see this 104 players list.

[Dwarven Empath]

oh well

[LMingrone]

http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/nucleus/media/13/20080109-A-Roid%20Book.jpg


What's this in reference to? If it's the Arod thing, he came out today and admitted it. I'm probably just missing what you're referring to. You can punch me in the face if I'm not getting it.

[Back]

If Phelps can get banned for off-season bong hits shouldn’t baseball players get banned for using human growth hormones in season?

[LMingrone]

Of course. The problem is that the drug manufacturers stay ahead of the tests.

It's kind of like taking a drug test for work. You could go out and bang lines of coke, shoot some heroin, and get drunk as hell, and a couple of days later, you're clean. Yet Mary J shows up for a long time. I'd much rather have a pot head working for me than some tweaked out crack head.

The testing just trails behind the peole who are making the money.

[Skeeter]

You don't hear about players coming out of nowhere to be all-stars because of steroids or hgh, you hear about good or great players becoming amazing players, or hurt/old pitchers using them to keep healthy.

Bret Boone

[Skeeter]

Ehhh...they've all moved to using HGH or steroids that don't show up on tests. I've been a die-hard Yankee fan my whole life, and never wanted Arod on the team in the first place. The guy's a complete douchbag.

The thing that makes me the most angry: I think Griffey has been clean his whole career. I could be wrong. But, if he actually went the route that these juicers went he would have recovered from all his injuries MUCH quicker. He would be the leader in pretty much every hitting stat. Griffey is the best baseball player I have ever seen in my lifetime, and he has to trail behind Bonds, arod, and all these other cheaters.

I would bet Griffey was a big time juicer. His body absolutely fell apart late in his career which is typical of steroid abuse.

[Sean of the Thread]

I only read the first couple posts but... WHO GIVES A SHIT
.


everyone does it. your body is your tool. fucking tune it.

[BriarFox]

I only read the first couple posts but... WHO GIVES A SHIT?

:yeahthat: Most boring sport ever, except for curling. Hell, competition chess is more interesting than baseball.

[Sean of the Thread]

You're on crack. Baseball is one of the most entertaining sports in the top 5 liist.


*baseball is chess but with athletes no basement dwellers.

[BriarFox]

You're on crack. Baseball is one of the most entertaining sports in the top 5 liist.


*baseball is chess but with athletes no basement dwellers.

The complexity of plotting out how many people need to walk across a base in order to put a directly proportionate number of points on a scoreboard doesn't even compare to the intricacy of moving one chess piece.

Here's baseball in a nutshell: Man throws ball at other man with stick. Man with stick tries to hit ball. Other men try to catch ball. Man tries to run in a square. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.

If I go to a baseball game, it's for the hotdogs.

[Sean]

The complexity of plotting out how many people need to walk across a base in order to put a directly proportionate number of points on a scoreboard doesn't even compare to the intricacy of moving one chess piece.

Here's baseball in a nutshell: Man throws ball at other man with stick. Man with stick tries to hit ball. Other men try to catch ball. Man tries to run in a square. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.

If I go to a baseball game, it's for the hotdogs.

I don't know the last time I read such a ridiculous premise. Your synopsis is like me saying chess in a nutshell: pick up pieces, move them only in the directions that correspond with the piece, if your location corresponds with the location of another piece take the piece off the board, rinse and repeat ad nauseam until the king can't move.

[BriarFox]

So, the complexity comes into baseball where?

[Sean]

So, the complexity comes into baseball where?

The same place the complexity that comes into chess comes from.. you vs your opponent. Some examples:

A pitcher has to play to the talents of the opposing batter, make the proper pitch selection, location, velocity, know his margin of error for each particular batter and umpire, know the break on the pitch, etc.

A batter has to know each pitchers arm slot, release point, anticpate a pitch selection and location, know play to the situation of the base runners ahead of him, etc.

A fielder has to know the proper angles to take to the ball in each park, know where their cutoffs are, be aware of the baserunners, know where the shifts in the defense for each batter etc.

A manager has to know how to best arrange his lineup to play to the weaknesses of the opposing lineups, when a pitcher has hit their wall before they do, which relivers to warm up/sit down, when is the proper time to pinch run or hit, should he send in a sac bunt call, does he double switch or call for a defensive replacement, etc.

Theres a lot of nuance that goes into baseball those are just skimming the surface. You can simply not like the game or think it's boring and that's your perogative but to oversimplify the game to throw ball hit ball catch ball is ridiculous. If that was the case we'd all be professional baseball players and make millions.

[BriarFox]

Uh huh. Riding my bike is complex, too. I have to account for wind speed and resistance, the surrounding traffic, the interplay between my weight and inertia, the friction of my tires against the ground surface, air pressure in those tires and, worst of all, I even have to remember to replace the batteries in my dork light! Oh noes!

Next episode we'll discuss the complexities of making tomato soup.

[Sean of the Thread]

Rofl man. It's your prerogative however baseball is a very complex game.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I don't think baseball is too complex.

That being said, it's my favorite game to watch. I don't think a game has to require elaborate strategies to be interesting or entertaining.

[Sean of the Thread]

The complexity and skill required is what makes it one of my favorite games to watch.

That being said NCAA football is by far my most favorite game followed by baseball and then NCAA hoops.

[Fallen]

Am I the only one who thought it would be cool to see a non-regulated Olympic style tournament? Contestents (Plus their drugs) would likely shatter every record ever held.

[Sean]

Uh huh. Riding my bike is complex, too. I have to account for wind speed and resistance, the surrounding traffic, the interplay between my weight and inertia, the friction of my tires against the ground surface, air pressure in those tires and, worst of all, I even have to remember to replace the batteries in my dork light! Oh noes!

Next episode we'll discuss the complexities of making tomato soup.

Last I checked we were talking about baseball on a professional level not you playing with some schlubs from your block.

[SHAFT]

You're on crack. Baseball is one of the most entertaining sports in the top 5 liist.


*baseball is chess but with athletes no basement dwellers.

Sorry pal, football is chess with athletes. Football is a game of matchups, where you place the players on the field and who they line up against. That's chess. Baseball is for pussy-ass nancies.

[SHAFT]

I don't think baseball is too complex.

That being said, it's my favorite game to watch. I don't think a game has to require elaborate strategies to be interesting or entertaining.

Women aren't allowed in the sports threads! Tits or GTFO!

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Women aren't allowed in the sports threads! Tits or GTFO!

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r26/Nikkifotos/lolbrielus.png

F U.

And sorry Sean of the Thread, I'm not buying that baseball is like chess. Again though, just because something doesn't require elaborate strategies and the like doesn't mean it's not entertaining, interesting, or challenging for the players to play.

[Izzy]

The complexity and skill required is what makes it one of my favorite games to watch.

That being said NCAA football is by far my most favorite game followed by baseball and then NCAA hoops.

Uh.....What? Fat old fucks can (and do) play baseball; it requires nearly zero skill. It's not even a sport. At least the roid-takers make the game semi interesting by hitting homers. On second thought: fuck that, baseball is a joke, and sucks in every facet.

If you want a sport that IS complex, soccer is what you're looking for. Once you get past the dramatic whiny idiots, at least. While I find it rather boring to watch in general, I still recognize that some of those fuckers have AMAZING skills. There is not a single person in baseball that I see as having any recognizable skills. Swing, hit ball, waddle to a base.

In summary: lol@ baseball..America sucks@ picking national past-times. :(

[SHAFT]

Uh.....What? Fat old fucks can (and do) play baseball; it requires nearly zero skill. It's not even a sport. At least the roid-takers make the game semi interesting by hitting homers. On second thought: fuck that, baseball is a joke, and sucks in every facet.

If you want a sport that IS complex, soccer is what you're looking for. Once you get past the dramatic whiny idiots, at least. While I find it rather boring to watch in general, I still recognize that some of those fuckers have AMAZING skills. There is not a single person in baseball that I see as having any recognizable skills. Swing, hit ball, waddle to a base.

In summary: lol@ baseball..America sucks@ picking national past-times. :(

The only thing I can say about baseball is that hitting a 95 MPH fastball is one of the hardest things to do in sports, if not the hardest. I gotta give credit to players who can hit consistently like Ichiro or even Bonds when he was younger.

Fuckin Bonds, he still woulda been a HOF'er if he didn't get roided up and go after home runs. He was awesome when he was skinny.

[Kuyuk]

baseball blows.

hockey ftw

[Skeeter]

ROFL at soccer being a sport. It's just running around.

[Kuyuk]

soccer >>> baseball

[Skeeter]

no surprise you like soccer. Hockey is just ice soccer.

[Izzy]

baseball blows.

hockey ftw

Hockey sucks only slightly less than baseball. Considering the epic sucktitude that baseball enbodies, that's not saying much.

[Warriorbird]

New nickname.

A-ROID.

[DeV]

Soccer isn't just about running around and working up a sweat. Take it from a defender; a goaltender who loves that I can be hands on when stopping the ball from penetrating the net. Um, it's a kick ass game that takes skill and atheltic ability to be good.

Obviously, it isn't the most physically demanding of all sports and all the talk about stamina being a primary component is true. Personally, soccer gives me all the stamina I need and more to overcome any flag-football teams offensive plays in my zone. Even more fun when we switch to man.

[Izzy]

Soccer isn't just about running around and working up a sweat. Take it from a defender; a goaltender who loves that I can be hands on when stopping the ball from penetrating the net. Um, it's a kick ass game that takes skill and atheltic ability to be good.

Obviously, it isn't the most physically demanding of all sports and all the talk about stamina being a primary component is true. Personally, soccer gives me all the stamina I need and more to overcome any flag-football teams offensive plays in my zone. Even more fun when we switch to man.

I can't rep you again, but :yeahthat:

[BigWorm]

New nickname.

A-ROID.

Way to be a week late. Also see A-Fraud, The Cooler, The Choker, etc,

[Xanator]

Hockey ftw.

Also,

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b211/twistinside08/arodmadonna.jpg

His next trip to the old ballpark ought to be interesting, anyway.

[Allereli]

Bizarre article from Details. The interview was done the day before the SI story came out. Strange photo shoot, too.

http://men.style.com/details/features/full?id=content_8397

[Xanator]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b211/twistinside08/arodcover.jpg

...

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b211/twistinside08/arodgay2.jpg

?

[Allereli]

It just won't end...


Madam Kristin Davis dated Alex Rodriguez and provided him hookers, sources claim
By George Rush
DAILY NEWS GOSSIP COLUMNIST

Updated Sunday, March 22nd 2009, 10:09 AM


Former madam Kristin Davis not only provided services to Yankee slugger Alex Rodriguez, she also dated him, sources say.

A former Manhattan madam who supplied Eliot Spitzer with hookers also counted Yankee slugger Alex Rodriguez as a customer - and found him so charming she dated him herself for free, former employees of the call-girl agency tell the Daily News.

A-Rod wooed ex-madam Kristin Davis with flowers, jewelry, persistence and heated e-mails, according to the sources.

"Throughout the years, there were a number of clients that I befriended and it was not uncommon for them to want the women they can't have whether it be the phone bookers or the madam," Davis said.

"In regard to Alex, all I can say is our paths have definitely crossed personally and professionally."

Davis met Rodriguez in June of 2006 in a gym in Philadelphia, shortly after she opened a branch of her call-girl service in the City of Brotherly Love, sources said.

Davis told a friend the then-married Rodriguez asked her, "What are you doing tonight?"

The shapely madam didn't know who A-Rod was but found him "hot as hell," she told the friend. "I said, 'I'm having dinner with my boyfriend. But if you're looking for someone to hang out with, here's a number.' I gave him my agency's card."

That night, Davis told a friend, Rodriguez booked a two-hour "date" with one of her girls, who met him at the Four Seasons on Rittenhouse Square.

"He gave his real name," Davis told the friend. "The next day we found out who Alex Rodriguez was. The girl we sent freaked out. Her father (works for) another Major League Baseball team."

Rodriguez soon became a repeat customer of one of Davis' three Manhattan agencies, two former employees said.

In an e-mail exchange provided to The News by a former booker for Davis' Wicked Models, Rodriguez purportedly told Davis on Nov. 17, 2006: "Thanks for setting me up with Samantha. She was gorgeous. But she is not you. When can I see you you are gorgeous . . ."

The exchange goes on:

Davis: "Hi Alex. You don't want to see me. I'm no fun. lol. Just because your (sic) so sweet, here are some pics of me and I appreciate the compliments. Your (sic) a doll. Thanks, Kristin"

Rodriguez: "You have been playing hard to get for a year now, your (sic) killing me."

Davis: "It's not playing I am hard to get. Maybe you should try harder."

Rodriguez: "Kristin, I definitely will and I love the pics. I put the one on my cell so I can look at you all the time. Alex."

Davis: "You are too sweet. I'll let you know when I get someone you like."

Two former agency workers said A-Rod hired prostitutes more than a half-dozen times, often meeting them at the Four Seasons hotel on W. 57th St.

"Alex was a very nice client to talk to," the booker said. "He didn't like one girl we sent over there. He sent her away. He kept calling the agency.

"He kept trying to reach Kristin. Kristin wouldn't talk to most of the clients, but she said she'd call him back. She told me, 'Don't worry about sending him another girl. I'm going to go over there and have drinks with him, hold his hand. He spends a lot of money.' "

The booker said Davis "is not star-struck, but all her boyfriends were Latin. So Alex was her type. And Alex was very persistent. I think he sent her a bracelet.

"Kristin knows how to play men. One time, Alex called the agency in the middle of the night for Kristin. He was at some club or lounge. He said, 'I've been waiting here for an hour. Please tell her to hurry up.' "

Rodriguez' persistence is said to have paid off with the buxom, 32-year-old Davis. Though Davis' agencies typically charged clients more than $1,000 an hour, Davis told a friend: "Alex didn't pay me . . . I went out with him just because he was so flattering. I couldn't not give in."

On Feb. 9, 2007, Rodriguez purportedly e-mailed Davis: "My sexy blonde girl. When can I see you again? I am addicted to you. Did you get the flowers I sent?"

That e-mail brought this reply: "I received your flowers. You outdid yourself, I feel very adored. Thank you. And I received your other gift today. You really spoiled me."

A source said A-Rod confided the pressures he felt as a player.

"He told her that he'd used steroids," the source claimed. "He said a lot of players did. He just wanted to be a good ballplayer."

Last month, Rodriguez acknowledged using performance-enhancing drugs several years ago.

Davis told a friend she and Rodriguez grew apart "when he found out I had a new boyfriend. He got upset. What was I supposed to do? He was married."

A spokesman for Rodriguez declined to comment.

Confronted with the e-mails, Davis said, "Other people have had access to my client records as well as my personal information and I can't control what has been released."

She declined to discuss "any issues relating to my clients." Though Davis is selling a memoir on www.manhattanmadam.com, she noted, "With the exception of (former Gov.) Eliot Spitzer, I have not named names....I do not wish to ruin any lives."

Davis got five years' probation for promoting prostitution after serving three months in jail.

In 2007, Rodriguez was photographed in Toronto with former stripper Joslyn Morse, who refused to say if they'd had sex. Another stripper, Candice Houlihan, claimed she and the Bronx Bomber had a two-night stand in 2004.

Cynthia Rodriguez filed for divorce last July. Her lawyer said at the time that A-Rod had "an affair of the heart" with songstress Madonna.



http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/03/22/2009-03-22_madam_kristin_davis_dated_alex_rodriguez.html?p age=1

[Skeeter]

quality guy

[Latrinsorm]

ARod cheats on his wife and at baseball, is in general a weird prima donna - gets own thread.
Donté Stallworth gets drunk (allegedly) and kills someone (fact) - not even a post.

???

[Warriorbird]

Your role here is clear.

[Allereli]

Donté Stallworth gets drunk (allegedly) and kills someone (fact) - not even a post.

who? if you have something to share, then post it

[Skeeter]

ARod cheats on his wife and at baseball, is in general a weird prima donna - gets own thread.
Donté Stallworth gets drunk (allegedly) and kills someone (fact) - not even a post.

???

Stallworth is an afterthought on a bad team, that's why nobody cares. He will disappear from sports and nobody will notice.

[Latrinsorm]

Stallworth was an integral receiver for the Patriots in an 18-1 season (the season where their only loss came to the righteous and God-fearing Giants in the Super Bowl when God dismantled their elaborate espionage apparatus).

He's not a big somebody, but he's certainly not nobody. I feel the ratio of criminality more than makes up for the ratio of notoriety; I can see that I feel this alone, however baffling that is to me.

[Allereli]

Stallworth was an integral receiver for the Patriots in an 18-1 season (the season where their only loss came to the righteous and God-fearing Giants in the Super Bowl when God dismantled their elaborate espionage apparatus).

He's not a big somebody, but he's certainly not nobody. I feel the ratio of criminality more than makes up for the ratio of notoriety; I can see that I feel this alone, however baffling that is to me.

Hell, I got my own happy birthday thread, anyone can get their own thread on the PC, just post a new thread, don't have to leave it to the rest of us. But, sorry we missed that story?

[Ker_Thwap]

ARod cheats on his wife and at baseball, is in general a weird prima donna - gets own thread.
Donté Stallworth gets drunk (allegedly) and kills someone (fact) - not even a post.

???

If you think about it, you're posting on a forum about an internet text game with elves and dwarves, instead of a respectable forum about starving children or something socially conscious.

People watch sports for much the same reason they play goofy internet games; as a way to put the troubles of the world aside for a moment. When a sports hero cheats the game, it's a buzz kill for the sports fans' means of escape. When an average receiver kills someone, it goes right back to the mundane real world.


Stallworth was an integral receiver for the Patriots in an 18-1 season

He never panned out for the Patriots that year. His nine starts were earlier in the season, no real clutch catches, he disappeared at the end of games and was pretty much a non factor by the end of the season. 700 yards out of the team's 5,000 yards isn't what I'd call integral.

Back to this thread, Rodriguez is a scummy person, who is an example of why we shouldn't get too attached to sports heroes.

[Xanator]

Stallworth was an integral receiver for the Patriots in an 18-1 season

DONTE STALLWORTH'S 2007 NFL REGULAR SEASON STATISTICS:

46 rec
697 yd
3 TD
Released after the first year of his six-year, $30m deal

And that's not to mention the splits:

1 catch for 9 yards against Pittsburgh
2 catches for 19 yards against San Diego

29 catches for 419 yards and 2 TDs in the first half of games
vs.
17 catches for 278 yards and 1 TD in the second half of games


Stallworth has never broken 1000 yards in a season, and his career high is 7 TDs (2005 with the Saints). Wes Welker was an integral receiver in 2007. The Pats could have sent Jabar Gafney deep on every play and used Chad Jackson as a #4 and achieved the same result. Teams were doubling Moss as often as possible as soon as week 2 or 3, anyway.

He's a bum! And a wino!

[Latrinsorm]

Yeah, I overspoke. He's also since said he wasn't drinking, fwiw.

[SolitareConfinement]

Put a hall of fame running back on a team with the worst offensive line/quarterback, and he's not going to put up the same numbers. Football is a team sport through and through.


please do explain Barry Sanders then ::ducks:: heh Barry was the exception to the rule i know

[DoctorUnne]

please do explain Barry Sanders then ::ducks:: heh Barry was the exception to the rule i know

Which is why Barry Sanders is the best RB of all time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyZCY6SqZLw

I may have actually pulled that link of these boards somewhere.

[Skeeter]

Yeah, I overspoke. He's also since said he wasn't drinking, fwiw.

He's about as relevant as that wr who shot his girlfriend and then hid in the trunk of a car for 3 days. I can't even remember his name at this point and I'm a HUGE NFL fan. Although I would recognize it if someone else pointed it out.

[Xanator]

He's about as relevant as that wr who shot his girlfriend and then hid in the trunk of a car for 3 days. I can't even remember his name at this point and I'm a HUGE NFL fan. Although I would recognize it if someone else pointed it out.

Rae Carruth.

[Endlin]

I wish I could pitch to someone that says baseball takes no skill...

Then again I'm sure after you were struck out for the third time in a row you'd say it doesn't matter. And ignore the fact that you suck at a sport that takes zero skill.

I'm not making any comparison to another sport... I like different sports for different reasons.. But saying baseball takes no talent is fucking retarded.

[Hemloch]

I just came across this post and thought I would interject, I'm a former Natl. Lvl bodybuilder who has used steroids in the past. People have no idea how much drug use thier is in sports. Olympics-Baseball-Football_ even Pro Wrestling if you call that a sport. Drug testing can be beaten and things like Gh, igf-1, and insulin aren't even detectable. The rumor they effect your penis size isn't true although they can temporarly shrink your testes, Manny Ramirez just got busted using hcg which is used after cycles to bring back natural testosterone production and bring the testes back to normal size(Although it sometimes does more, Iv;e had balls the size of grapefruit) anyway I don't see how it can ever go back to the pre-steroid era(which is a long time ago) People want to see freaks, size,speed, and athletic ability they could never dream of achiving. But please don't think steroids do everything for you. You still have to work your a$$ of training, dieting etc. But steroids do give an edge, and who wants to lose? If you train all your life and get beat by someone beacuse thier on the juice, then it almost forces you to as well, unless you want to settle for second or third place. Athletes are obsessive, I remember a poll that asked if you could take a drug and win every sporting event for the next 5 yrs but would die afterward would you do it? The majority of athletes said 'yes' without a doubt. With that kind of obsesive drive people are going to use whatever gives them an advantage. Anyway sorry for rambling , I just thought I would add my 2 cents to this post.

[TheEschaton]

I'm sad your steroid use has apparently rendered you unable to perform the simple task of hitting the return key every once in awhile.

So sad.

Oh - winning isn't everything. And winning by cheating just because the other guy is cheating = the most absurd morality I've ever heard.

-TheE-

[Hemloch]

I didn't mean to imply it was ok. I was just trying to explain the logic behind how athletes think, and the fact that they get paid absurd salaries dosn't help.

[Allereli]

Fucking A-Rod 0-5 w/ 5 left on base. I'm in the middle of the Torre book and just seeing that stat pisses me off more.

[Latrinsorm]

David Wright 2-2, RBI, SB.

PRINCELY PRINCE OF NEW YORK (THIRD BASEMEN).

[Allereli]

David Wright 2-2, RBI, SB.

PRINCELY PRINCE OF NEW YORK (THIRD BASEMEN).

I'm not a Met hater, Wright is a great player

[DoctorUnne]

Fucking A-Rod 0-5 w/ 5 left on base. I'm in the middle of the Torre book and just seeing that stat pisses me off more.

Beats Big Papi 0-7 w/ 12 left on base and three strikeouts. He made the last out in six different innings, including the 12th with the bases loaded. And that 12 LOB tied the all-time record.

[Allereli]

Beats Big Papi 0-7 w/ 12 left on base and three strikeouts. He made the last out in six different innings, including the 12th with the bases loaded. And that 12 LOB tied the all-time record.

Thanks, I spent my lunch reading about the 2004 biggest choke of all time and cursing Kevin Brown, this made me feel slightly better.

While I was looking for the box score, I found this article, Cal is on the case! http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4168718

and more from the Sox-Angels recap: "Sorry, guys. I don't feel like talking today. Just put down, `Papi stinks."