Why am I getting my arse kicked mates?

[SHAFT]

I'm an 18 undead mage and I'm dying constantly. I have the best armor I can get with a few colored items I got from quests or wherever. As far as I can tell I've gotten all the spells I can get. I haven't left the Undercity yet and I've been thinking about heading to Orgrimmar to tackle a few quests.

Oh, I put all of one talent point into fire. Why is it so freaking difficult to do anything alone? If more than one enemy comes after me I'm screwed.

[Kyra231]

Go to ghostlands south of Silvermoon City & do all the quests there, they have nice blue rewards & the bc quests have a better feel to them than vanilla.

Are you frost spec? Personally I like that as the best way to level lowbie mages.

Start at the very max range to cast frostbolt, spam it..if you have frost nova(I don't remember what level that is) nova them when they get in melee range, move out of hit range & one final bolt should finish them off.

[SHAFT]

Can I take the points I've put into fire and put them into frost?

[SHAFT]

Sweet, only cost 1g. Considering I'm left with 23s and 92c its kind of expensive, but whatever. Thanks for the info

[AestheticDeath]

Shaft, what server are you on? Dunemaul? I can pull out my druid and tag along with you. He is 18-19 I think.

Maselon is my druid if you want to send me a tell in game. Best bet is AIM though, or PM here so I can look for ya.

[SHAFT]

Thanks AD, I'm on Dawnbringer. I think thats how its spelled. I've been thinking about switching to Dunemaul though, most of the people around here are on there.

[Trouble]

Sweet, only cost 1g. Considering I'm left with 23s and 92c its kind of expensive, but whatever. Thanks for the info

If you haven't already picked professions, get Herbalism and/or Mining. I recently made a few new characters on a handful of servers (w/o pre-existing characters for support) and they were able to obtain a full set of 14/16-slot bags and plenty of money for training/etc by the time they were 10. Once you get a full set of bags and like 20g you can drop one or both for your preferred profession(s).

[SHAFT]

I just found a website that sells 500 gold on my server for $27 per bundle. That seems like an awesome deal. I've never hit more than 2g and I'm 18. The site is mymmoshop.com. I understand there's a risk involved buying gold, anyone have any thoughts on it?

Just found another that offers 500 gold for $11 bucks. That's unreal.

[Some Rogue]

Don't do it.

[CrystalTears]

If you like playing, don't do it.

[Some Rogue]

Seriously, take Trouble's advice. Get two gathering professions, pick up and sell everything. Quest rewards you can't use, sell them. Don't buy things on the AH. It adds up fast.

[SHAFT]

I'm gonna check out mining and herbalism later, but I'm curious as to how they'd find out if I purchased gold. I can't imagine them banning me on a first time offense either. That's a customer and $180 a year they lose.

I'd like to spend $11 and get 500g just the one time. Seems like that'd last a while.

[CrystalTears]

Why even risk it?

[SHAFT]

Cause I like to party

[Trouble]

I'm gonna check out mining and herbalism later, but I'm curious as to how they'd find out if I purchased gold. I can't imagine them banning me on a first time offense either. That's a customer and $180 a year they lose.

I'd like to spend $11 and get 500g just the one time. Seems like that'd last a while.

Once they suspect an account of being a seller, I'm sure they'll watch it for a while to see who else is involved before they bust them. So if your seller is already being watched you are at risk. Personally I don't think it's all that big of a deal and I highly doubt they'd ban you for buying 500g, but here's the official stance:

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=21507:

Exchange of World of Warcraft Currency/Goods/Services for non-World of Warcraft Currency/Goods/Services, and Vice-Versa (Buying/Selling Gold, Items, Characters, and/or Accounts)


Anyone offering World of Warcraft content for sale is attempting to steal from and deceive you, as no one is EVER allowed to sell any aspect of the World of Warcraft MMORPG except Blizzard and its licensees. Blizzard will not recognize the transaction resulting from the seller's prohibited behavior! Attempting to circumvent this rule by selling "the time put into the character" DOES NOT make such a sale legitimate, as the transaction still results in the transfer of World of Warcraft virtual property (which is acknowledged by every player as solely belonging to Blizzard Entertainment and/or its licensors) and in the seller receiving money.

CONSEQUENCES:

Any evidence uncovered by Support investigations that the account has been involved in the exploitation of the World of Warcraft Economy by purchasing currency, items, characters and/or accounts may result in:


Removal of any World of Warcraft content that was purchased from anyone other than Blizzard Entertainment. Note that the sale of existing accounts, currency, items, and characters, or any aspect thereof, is not presently offered by Blizzard or its licensees, nor is the availability of such services foreseen.
Immediate Account Closure of any account found to have been transferred from the registered user to anyone else. Blizzard Entertainment neither recognizes nor permits the transfer of accounts.

Any evidence uncovered by Support investigations that the account has been involved in the exploitation of the World of Warcraft Economy by selling currency, items, characters, and/or accounts may result in immediate account closure.

EXAMPLES:

Here are a few examples of inappropriate transactions involving World of Warcraft content. In all examples, George is the registered account user, and Cynthia is his 16-year-old daughter whom he has authorized to use the account (this list is by no means all-inclusive).


George wants to play at the same time as Cynthia, so he starts surfing auction websites for an account with a nice, shiny level-70 character.
George wants to buy his epic mount and riding skill but doesn't have the gold, so he pulls up a website that sells gold and lines his character's pockets.
Cynthia wants to achieve the top PvP rank quickly, so she pays an honor-farming service to fight in the battlegrounds while she's at school.
Cynthia wins some really great bind-on-equip items that none of her characters need, so she decides to sell them on an auction site.
Cynthia has moved on to a new game, so George decides to get rid of the account and earn some extra cash.


Stacking Account Penalties/Final Warnings

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Any evidence of an account violating any portion of the Terms of Use and/or our game policies may result in immediate account closure. However, most violations by themselves will not result in such a fate.
Further violations will begin to increase the severity of the penalties received, whether the new violations are similar to previous ones or completely different. This is because all of our policies are readily available on our website and should be reviewed and understood before playing World of Warcraft.
Even very minor infractions can result in account closure if the user of the account exhibits a blatant disregard for adhering to the rules, via multiple or serious offenses.
Final Warnings are often thought of as being preceded by other warnings. However, this is not always the case; some violations of the Terms of Use and/or policies are considered so serious that a repeated offense is not tolerated under any circumstances!
The registered account user is responsible for all infractions that take place on the account, even if the violations are carried out by someone else.

[Me]

The other problem with sites like that is they are loaded with viruses. Keylogger to be exact. Once a keylogger gets on your system it sends your account info and they hope your email account to some devious person. They then will take a peak at your info. Now in your case your character is pretty low they will wait until its a viable level steal your account transfer it to a new server spam gold services and strip all your items selling them. Blizzard then bans your account for selling gold all without you doing a thing. Right now its very easy to make gold.

do a gathering profession like herbing mining skinning sell in AH first. You can do a search to see what your item is selling for.

If you hear someone offering to buy guild charter signatures do it. I have earned up to 50g doing that in a day. Not a lot of gold but it helps when you are low. Sign wait for guild to be created then leave guild rinse and repeat. People will pay from 1g and up to get people to sign.
me

[AestheticDeath]

yeah - I made like 200g, just mining copper (lowest level ore there is) and then buying the cheap stuff and reselling it higher. In well under a week.

And I think I have made 30-50g signing guild charters just being around when people announce it. I don't do that as much anymore since all my guys are in my own guild. Though I can just roll up an alt in each of the three major cities to do that and nothing else I suppose.

I think orgrimmar is the most common place for horde characters to buy charter sigs. Then maybe undercity, then thunder bluff.

Skins are probably the most available resource to gather, especially at low levels. Skins sell decent too, always people wanting to level up a profession and not do the gathering themselves.

AND, if you are dead set on buying gold, I have seen better deals advertised. Did you google it?

[Kyra231]

I did herbing/skinning to 80 on a toon, sold everything I gathered & made about 7k just from gathering.

Not until I had paid for the flier I wanted & gathered all the mats to level alchemy, only then did I drop one of the gathering profs.

The first toon I leveled up with tailoring/enchanting got raped on collecting gold because there were never enough mats & I always had to buy extra(I wasn't about to spend hours on end in Org peddling my enchanting & hoping someone else had mats for +5 fishing).

I'd suggest just gathering & selling, never buy anything off the AH(just use quest rewards/drops) & level as fast as possible.

AH stuff is rarely worth it because if you're leveling at a good pace you grow out of it too fast to get enough use of it for the gold you pay. Get carbonite or quest helper addon & fly through the levels.

I wouldn't buy your gold, it might take awhile to get ban hammer & having it happen at lvl 75 or 80 would just suck ass to start over again imo.

[SHAFT]

The way the site I was going to go through did it was I'd place an item up for sale on the AH with a buyout of 1000 gold, and they'd purchase it. They'd also cover the AH fee.

Is this how most sites do it?

[AestheticDeath]

Dude, just make a new guy on Dunemaul or Nazjater. I can give you some gold/containers and help ya level.

Unless you got some peeps to hang out with on your server already.

I have no idea how most gold sellers carry it out though, I know some just mail it to you or something.

[Methais]

That's a customer and $180 a year they lose.

Considering Blizzard grosses approximately $165,000,000 per month with 11 million subscribers at $15 a month, I suspect they're not worried about $180 over a year.

And yeah, stay away from the gold sites. They're bad news all around.

As for your mage, it just sounds like you're doing it wrong. I leveled up 2 mages as fire years ago and never had a problem with fighting multiple mobs or anything like that.

Use frost nova, blink, and polymorph to your advantage. They'll keep you alive. Cone of Cold too if you're kiting a bunch of mobs at once.

[Kyra231]

I'm gonna check out mining and herbalism later, but I'm curious as to how they'd find out if I purchased gold. I can't imagine them banning me on a first time offense either. That's a customer and $180 a year they lose.

I'd like to spend $11 and get 500g just the one time. Seems like that'd last a while.

Err yeah I didn't see this the first time around.

If you think they won't ban you for a first time offense of that nature...may I suggest browsing the csf forums a while & watch the threads of OMG WTF WHY DID I GET BANNED??!!?? over & over ad nauseum for the exact same thing.

Same for botting or power leveling. If your account logs in from Boston at 1 p.m. then China at 2 p.m. they will catch you & you will get fuxored.

[SHAFT]

Man, I was gonna get a deal for 50k in gold. Only $3500

[SHAFT]

If your account logs in from Boston at 1 p.m. then China at 2 p.m. they will catch you & you will get fuxored.

Is that noticable?

[Methais]

http://www.gamerdna.com/public/images/user_image/image/32687/GOLD_FARMER.jpg

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/uploaded_images/gamer-770565.jpg

[g++]

Man, I was gonna get a deal for 50k in gold. Only $3500

Really...I keep hearing in trade channel that their selling 5k for 100....x 10 = $1000. Did you get the +350% discount? It takes like a week or two to make 5k gold questing after work at 80 btw.

[g++]

As for your mage, it just sounds like you're doing it wrong. I leveled up 2 mages as fire years ago and never had a problem with fighting multiple mobs or anything like that.

Use frost nova, blink, and polymorph to your advantage. They'll keep you alive. Cone of Cold too if you're kiting a bunch of mobs at once.

Eh fuck fire...I mean sure you can do it...you do a lot of dumb shit if you want to. Can also just spec frost and jam your hot key for frost bolt all the way to 80 with a 60 second damage barrier that does not drain your mana running constantly. I think I would rather do that.

[CrystalTears]

Meh, I didn't try a frost spec until around level 50 or so. I was fire spec most of the time and it worked fine. Hell I'm a horrible player and even I managed. So yeah. You're doing it wrong somewhere. Frost nova, blink or strafe to the side and keep firing.

[Methais]

Eh fuck fire...I mean sure you can do it...you do a lot of dumb shit if you want to.

Fire was easy as hell to level with, I pretty much never died unless I got ganked or pulled a shitload of aggro by accident, downtime was low and I leveled fast.

Yeah, sounds pretty stupid to me.


Can also just spec frost and jam your hot key for frost bolt all the way to 80 with a 60 second damage barrier that does not drain your mana running constantly. I think I would rather do that.

1. You shouldn't even need Ice Barrier in most cases while leveling, because you shouldn't be getting hit anyway. So unless you're just worried about being ganked, you're wasting your mana by having IB running. That, or you need it to absorb damage because you're somehow managing to spam frostbolt wrong and still get hit.

2. If anyone of any spec not only keeps mana shield running while leveling, but drains all their mana because they're actually being hit, they're doing it wrong and need to reroll hunter and just autoshot and afk.

I don't have anything against frost. I like all 3 specs. I just don't get why people say fire is so terrible for leveling, because it's not. You sometimes just have to be able to handle a little bit more more than using one spell every fight. And if you're running out of mana every 2 pulls, stop using fire blast all the time.

The only thing frost utterly destroys fire in for leveling is AoE grinding, which if you know the spots to go and can do it without getting yourself killed, then yeah frost is the way to go. Other than that, fire and frost are about the same for leveling, and it mostly boils down to what you have more fun with.

I think frost mages just freak out when they don't have their Ice Barrier up, even if they're not getting hit.

Frost mage + Ice Barrier =
http://stingrays.tripod.com/toymuseum/playskool/230-8sigh.jpg

I wish fire didn't suck so bad at endgame PvP because fire was a blast to pvp with pre-BC and it raped faces :(

[Some Rogue]

I loved fire for PvP too and even leveled from 50ish to 75 or so with it. It got boring for me because I had too much downtime. I either had to eat or drink every few mobs.

I switched over to frost and it's unreal how long I can go on. Mage armor + mage armor glyph = never out of mana ever. Questing is faster because like you said, you can pull multiple mobs and AoE shit down and not even get touched. I hate to say it but I am loving frost after having been fire for so long.

[Sean of the Thread]

FROST SPEC


Lvl'n a mage is like easy sauce.

[Deadelf]

Go fire until around your 30's and then respec to Frost for the rest of your leveling. I miss the front up damage of Fire but love the control aspects of Frost.

[Deadelf]

>>I wish fire didn't suck so bad at endgame PvP because fire was a blast to pvp with pre-BC and it raped faces


Ditto.

[Methais]

>>I wish fire didn't suck so bad at endgame PvP because fire was a blast to pvp with pre-BC and it raped faces


Ditto.

One day I'm gonna go check out a level 60 private server and relive the pwnage.

[Trouble]

Whatever the big fire nuke is still does pretty good damage. I almost got one-shot on my hunter by a mage as I was flying by. The initial hit/crit + the DoT got me down to like 200 health. This was in leveling greens though (I was like 76 at the time), so at 80 he'd have to 2-shot me now (lol).

[g++]

Fire was easy as hell to level with, I pretty much never died unless I got ganked or pulled a shitload of aggro by accident, downtime was low and I leveled fast.

Yeah, sounds pretty stupid to me.



1. You shouldn't even need Ice Barrier in most cases while leveling, because you shouldn't be getting hit anyway. So unless you're just worried about being ganked, you're wasting your mana by having IB running. That, or you need it to absorb damage because you're somehow managing to spam frostbolt wrong and still get hit.

2. If anyone of any spec not only keeps mana shield running while leveling, but drains all their mana because they're actually being hit, they're doing it wrong and need to reroll hunter and just autoshot and afk.

I don't have anything against frost. I like all 3 specs. I just don't get why people say fire is so terrible for leveling, because it's not. You sometimes just have to be able to handle a little bit more more than using one spell every fight. And if you're running out of mana every 2 pulls, stop using fire blast all the time.

The only thing frost utterly destroys fire in for leveling is AoE grinding, which if you know the spots to go and can do it without getting yourself killed, then yeah frost is the way to go. Other than that, fire and frost are about the same for leveling, and it mostly boils down to what you have more fun with.

I think frost mages just freak out when they don't have their Ice Barrier up, even if they're not getting hit.

Frost mage + Ice Barrier =
http://stingrays.tripod.com/toymuseum/playskool/230-8sigh.jpg

I wish fire didn't suck so bad at endgame PvP because fire was a blast to pvp with pre-BC and it raped faces :(

Mostly use ice barrier for kiting or when i get soaked with adds. I specc'd fire for a few levels between 70 and 80. If I saw an ally I was pretty much dead on the spot, no matter what fucking class they are a fire mage has already lost. Second in the event I get an add or two my only recourse is to frost nova and finish the one i was dealing with which may take 5 seconds and then switch back to the next one or two. Thats all fine and good if your sitting in borean tundra killing shovel tusks but lets face it not too many people do that the majority of people quest and run into spots where they need more control than that. Your saying you can do fire, im saying your right. I also think frost is FAR FAR FAR superior for the myriad of situations that day to day quests throw at you.

[SHAFT]

Really...I keep hearing in trade channel that their selling 5k for 100....x 10 = $1000. Did you get the +350% discount? It takes like a week or two to make 5k gold questing after work at 80 btw.

I was kidding. If I ever spend $3500 on gold for a game someone stab me in the balls with an ice pick.

[Deadelf]

That is why I keep characters in each bracket of battleground, just for fun pvp with the various classes and why I have characters on five servers total. lol

My problem is getting out of the pvp mind set talent path wise. I always look at my talents with a pvp mindset. :x

[Methais]

Mostly use ice barrier for kiting or when i get soaked with adds. I specc'd fire for a few levels between 70 and 80. If I saw an ally I was pretty much dead on the spot, no matter what fucking class they are a fire mage has already lost. Second in the event I get an add or two my only recourse is to frost nova and finish the one i was dealing with which may take 5 seconds and then switch back to the next one or two. Thats all fine and good if your sitting in borean tundra killing shovel tusks but lets face it not too many people do that the majority of people quest and run into spots where they need more control than that. Your saying you can do fire, im saying your right. I also think frost is FAR FAR FAR superior for the myriad of situations that day to day quests throw at you.

Throw me a situation, I'll give you my theorycraft strategy on it, then I'll do my best to replicate it in-game and give you my results with both specs :P

Any quest/leveling situation that's been thrown at me that I died on as fire, I most likely would have died on as frost too.

And to play devil's advocate, any of those situations I died in as fire or frost, I would have lived as arcane. Instant invis ftw!

EDIT: WHY DO WE HAVE NO SMILEY FACE THING FOR :P!?!?!?!?!?E?RE3/3jr;4356t/1/1/!?/2

[SHAFT]

Where can I get a mage keyboard like the in your sig Methais?

[Methais]

Where can I get a mage keyboard like the in your sig Methais?

Here, you can use mine.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/keyboard-mages-2-1.jpg

[CrystalTears]

EDIT: WHY DO WE HAVE NO SMILEY FACE THING FOR :P!?!?!?!?!?E?RE3/3jr;4356t/1/1/!?/2
: tongue :

[Methais]

:tongue:

yay!

[g++]

Throw me a situation, I'll give you my theorycraft strategy on it, then I'll do my best to replicate it in-game and give you my results with both specs :P

Any quest/leveling situation that's been thrown at me that I died on as fire, I most likely would have died on as frost too.

And to play devil's advocate, any of those situations I died in as fire or frost, I would have lived as arcane. Instant invis ftw!

EDIT: WHY DO WE HAVE NO SMILEY FACE THING FOR :P!?!?!?!?!?E?RE3/3jr;4356t/1/1/!?/2


Ok a starter quest in howling fjord is to kill 3 runed giants which are elite giants with 30k health that hit for about 4k when they close on you. Specc'd fire your gonna get about 15k in and maybe a blink before the giant closes on you and kills you. I did the quest solo frost by using my elemental to distract it then nova and blinking away while it was frozen and finishing it off. Specc'd frost I routinely did 3 man quests in dragon blight using bait and switch with my elemental.....you just dont have that kind of strategy flex with arcane or fire. Of course in an instance with a tank standing in front of you the strategy is already in place so arcane rules because it simply does more dps.


also please dont tell me you killed a rune giant specc'd whatever....were 80 now with epics...its not exactly the same, and im well aware that we could kill a rune giant before it closes now...but it was pretty unlikely when we were 70 and our spell power was +500.

[Alfster]

I did those quests as arcane at level 70. Was easy as hell actually. Used Slow and frost nova when they got too close.

Granted I had more than +500 SP at 70.

[g++]

I did those quests as arcane at level 70. Was easy as hell actually. Used Slow and frost nova when they got too close.

Granted I had more than +500 SP at 70.

Talking about fire...no slow one nova is your only control.

[Deadelf]

The giants are a pain in the ass only if your a melee class, and even then I was able to do it with the rogue and Dk. Seems like ranged would have it much easier vs those giants.

Basically Ive done that quest twice now with the Alliance Dk I ran through when WotLK first came out and my normal Horde rogue later. Pain in the ass the poison/disease that hits you.

[Some Rogue]

I did it with my rogue but had to blow all my cooldowns to win. My DK soloed elite quests most of the way to 80 so that was nothing special. I didn't have a chance on my fire mage at 70.

[Deadelf]

Yeah I did have to blow all my cool downs and use pots and I actually died right after killing the second one with the rogue, then had to run back and loot the giant.

Problem with fire talent path is it lacks controls that frost has which is why alot of player recommend respecing from fire by the time you hit your 30's level wise. I miss fire alot but it just lacks what frost can do in regards to controlling the mobs or even when you get ganked while questing.

Basically some/many mobs just wont go down with the front load of damage you can do with a fire mage and then your screwed. I wish I had more time to play both mages to do more comparisons at upper levels. Just dont have enough spare time to play all the classes in depth as much as I want to.

[g++]

Basically some/many mobs just wont go down with the front load of damage you can do with a fire mage and then your screwed. I wish I had more time to play both mages to do more comparisons at upper levels. Just dont have enough spare time to play all the classes in depth as much as I want to.

Its not even just upper levels....I could give hundreds of examples...crown of will in tarren mill you have to fight 4 ogres at once for a frost mage its friggin easy nova, blizz, run around nova again blizz again. Simple. For a fire mage its like kill one run around flailing till your dead. Almost any quest where you you have to kill an elite or a mob with 3+ adds attached is damn near impossible for a fire mage to solo.

The other thing is Im not even convinced a fire mage can out damage a frost mage between 50 and 80. With an elemental up and ice lance firing away a frost mage can have the control and damage of a fire mage. Once the elemental starts getting weak in comparison to the player because of gear(elem only gets 1/3 your spell power) the equation changes but if your spamming all your elementals abilities I did not notice a huge increase in damage between spec's. Slightly more on fire at best.

[Alfster]

Yah. frost is better DPS in shit gear for heroics too. Mostly because of the AOE'ing all the trash.

[g++]

Yah. frost is better DPS in shit gear for heroics too. Mostly because of the AOE'ing all the trash.

I hate people that do that...it actually makes the instances harder because the tank spends more time dealing with multiple mobs, the blizz dude is pulling aggro more often and it basically just increases the chance of a wipe so you can pretend your uber on a meter.

[Alfster]

Meh. Mirror images + flamestrike + blizz works wonders.

[g++]

Meh. Mirror images + flamestrike + blizz works wonders.

Yah you can do it. I just think its unnecessary and really just a meter juke. The tank and heals appreciate having the casting and dangerous mobs dead immediately far more than they appreciate the slight bump your gonna get in damage per second.

[Methais]

I could give hundreds of examples...crown of will in tarren mill you have to fight 4 ogres at once for a frost mage its friggin easy nova, blizz, run around nova again blizz again. Simple. For a fire mage its like kill one run around flailing till your dead.

Not really. Open with fireball, sheep an add right after, spam fireball/scorch again on the initial target til they get close, nova, cone of cold, blink, finish target off, move onto next target, repeat. Don't really even need nova as cone of cold will usually do fine, but it makes things easier.

I don't know why but a lot of fire mages tend to forget they have cone of cold and then QQ about how they can't kite anything.

Unless they're immune to snares or you have no room to kite, fighting 4 mobs as fire isn't hard, even with an elite involved.


I hate people that do that...it actually makes the instances harder because the tank spends more time dealing with multiple mobs, the blizz dude is pulling aggro more often and it basically just increases the chance of a wipe so you can pretend your uber on a meter.

Your tank is terrible then. I've gone through heroics as frost without the threat reduction talent spamming Blizzard on trash, which crits like crazy between frostbite, shatter, and fingers of frost, and would never pull aggro.

You're supposed to wait a couple seconds for the tank to establish aggro before you start aoeing, which the mages in your group probably aren't doing.


Ok a starter quest in howling fjord is to kill 3 runed giants which are elite giants with 30k health that hit for about 4k when they close on you. Specc'd fire your gonna get about 15k in and maybe a blink before the giant closes on you and kills you. I did the quest solo frost by using my elemental to distract it then nova and blinking away while it was frozen and finishing it off. Specc'd frost I routinely did 3 man quests in dragon blight using bait and switch with my elemental.....you just dont have that kind of strategy flex with arcane or fire. Of course in an instance with a tank standing in front of you the strategy is already in place so arcane rules because it simply does more dps.


also please dont tell me you killed a rune giant specc'd whatever....were 80 now with epics...its not exactly the same, and im well aware that we could kill a rune giant before it closes now...but it was pretty unlikely when we were 70 and our spell power was +500.


Talking about fire...no slow one nova is your only control.

I soloed those as arcane when I was leveling, but if you're willing to spend a few extra mana, toss a rank 1 frostbolt now and then to keep the mob snared. Open with frostbolt too. The snare should outweigh the extra 11 yards you'll start nuking from with fire. Cone of Cold + Blink is great for kiting too. Just because you're specced fire doesn't mean you can't use any frost spells.

I soloed that quest the other day on my DK just spamming Icy Touch and Chains of Ice. Took forever but it worked.

Sounds like you just need to l2p more as fire.

[g++]

You're supposed to wait a couple seconds for the tank to establish aggro before you start aoeing, which the mages in your group probably aren't doing.

Warrior - Pal tanks yeah sure. This is the age of the DK/Druid Tank. If I see blizzard coming down and a DK is tanking I pretty much check my gold to make sure i can afford repairs.


..what does soloing it with a DK have to do with it...I could solo it with almost any class EXCEPT fire mage which is what were talking about...and I still dont think a 70th level fire mage could solo it even if they spammed frostbolt the thing will catch you eventually because your frostbolt sucks unless you put the talent points in to increase the slow down and snare.

[Methais]

Warrior - Pal tanks yeah sure. This is the age of the DK/Druid Tank. If I see blizzard coming down and a DK is tanking I pretty much check my gold to make sure i can afford repairs.


..what does soloing it with a DK have to do with it...I could solo it with almost any class EXCEPT fire mage which is what were talking about...and I still dont think a 70th level fire mage could solo it even if they spammed frostbolt the thing will catch you eventually because your frostbolt sucks unless you put the talent points in to increase the slow down and snare.

Soloing it with a DK has nothing to do with it. Was just tossing that out there.

As for the aoe situation, I've done it with warrior, pally, DK and druid tanks without pulling aggro, so apparently you just run with shitty tanks.

A 70 fire mage could solo those giants. Kiting isn't hard with any spec if you know what you're doing. Ignoring cone of cold implies that you don't know what you're doing. Dragon's Breath will help too, since it doesn't share a cooldown with cone of cold anymore and will add some extra damage and buy you a couple seconds to sneak in a scorch or something before nova/CoC.

[g++]

A 70 fire mage could solo those giants. Kiting isn't hard with any spec if you know what you're doing. Ignoring cone of cold implies that you don't know what you're doing. Dragon's Breath will help too, since it doesn't share a cooldown with cone of cold anymore.

Well apparently you found some secret that me and SomeRogue could not figure out about being a fire mage. Use cone of cold all you want, after you use it and get punched in the face and stunned for 4K Im sure you can use another secret Methais spell to get out of it. I digress were all spec'd arcane now anyway theres really no point in even talking about it.

[Methais]

It's no secret. Even if you happen to get knocked down after hitting cone (which you can hit them with it from just out of melee range, and you should be jumping and spinning real quick when you cast it so you're still moving so you shouldn't be getting hit anyway), if you're sitting there stunned instead of blinking away, just delete your mage.

When I'm feeling less lazy I'll go buy some 70 greens (I tossed my 70 gear like a nub) and downrank my spells and go do it.

[g++]

It's no secret. Even if you happen to get knocked down after hitting cone (which you can hit them with it from just out of melee range, and you should be jumping and spinning real quick when you cast it so you're still moving so you shouldn't be getting hit anyway), if you're sitting there stunned instead of blinking away, just delete your mage.

When I'm feeling less lazy I'll go buy some 70 greens (I tossed my 70 gear like a nub) and downrank my spells and go do it.

Thats a massive waste of your time. I endorse this idea.

Look even if I cede that its possible for a fire mage to do it. You should at least cede its easier for the other two specs. I will still be suprised if you manage to take them down in 70 greens before it runs you down and kills you :).

[Methais]

I never said it wasn't easier as arcane or frost. It's way easier to the point where you could do it blindfolded with Warclaidhm telling you what to cast.

I'm just saying it's not impossible to do as fire. The frost spells are what make it possible, but it's still possible.

[g++]

I never said it wasn't easier as arcane or frost. I'm just saying it's not impossible to do as fire.

Right well the beginning of this conversation was whether it was easier to level as frost or fire. The name one quest a fire mage cant do a frost mage can do was kind of a side challenge you threw out there. I named a quest that I think is WAY more difficult for a fire mage to complete. I will say anything is possible if the player is good enough but I mean you know even a great player spec'd fire is gonna get run down and killed by those elites a % of the time. You would have to be a terrible player to not be able to do it as frost.

[Methais]

Right well the beginning of this conversation was whether it was easier to level as frost or fire. The name one quest a fire mage cant do a frost mage can do was kind of a side challenge you threw out there. I named a quest that I think is WAY more difficult for a fire mage to complete. I will say anything is possible if the player is good enough but I mean you know even a great player spec'd fire is gonna get run down and killed by those elites a % of the time. You would have to be a terrible player to not be able to do it as frost.

Maybe so.

I dug up some old gear out of my bank and just went and did it.

Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

[g++]

Maybe so.

I dug up some old gear out of my bank and just went and did it.

Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI


Take a civil conversation....

[SHAFT]

i got rick roll'd

[Deadelf]

lol ditto Shaft. Methais! #$$@$

Btw this is quote worthy...

>>I never said it wasn't easier as arcane or frost. It's way easier to the point where you could do it blindfolded with Warclaidhm telling you what to cast.

I had a good chuckle when I read that last part.

[SHAFT]

I'm having a much easier time as a frost mage btw. I recently got Blizzard and Blink and I've been using Arcane Missiles more too.

Also, I've gotten my mining rank up 21 I think, when does the treasure from mining start to get really good?

[AestheticDeath]

21? are you kidding?

if you goto orgrimmar, and mine in durotar, you can get it to 70ish within a day.

Just mine the deposits, and then smelt the ore. Smelting basically triples how fast your skill goes up.

Will have some dead spots though, where you will have to mine. But smelting makes it go MUCH faster.

And copper, and iron are some of the best sellers IMO. The high level ores are expensive, but probably have more competition etc. Just mine whatever you see, smelt some for ranks, then sell the excess ore, and the bars you made.

OR, pick up a complimentary profession. Blacksmithing, or jewelcrafting or something. Then use the junk yourself, instead of having to buy it.

I like leveling my skill up at the same time, but honestly its much better to just have two gathering professions until you are 60ish. Then possibly swap to one depending on your play style.

And I suggest skinning along with mining. Herb/mine dont work as well together since you cant run both finder/marker abilities.

You know how to use that don't you? So the yellow dots show up on your mini map?

Oh yeah, I wouldn't smelt your silver or gold ores unless you have to. Those sell ALOT higher as ore instead of bars. The copper, tin and iron not so much difference.

I just hate getting to mixed areas of ore, and seeing the higher level expensive stuff sitting there, with red text cause my skill isn't high enough.

[SHAFT]

Interesting...this word you say, smelting.... I had no clue. I have to go to Orgrimmar for a few quests so it all works out. Smelting it is.

[Methais]

Smelting = going to a forge and turning your ore into bars.

[SHAFT]

Thanks Webster

[Jayvn]

before everyone turned into a damn jc i was making 400 gold a day from the one jc daily then turning the token in for a dragon's eye.. instant 400g on AH.

[AnticorRifling]

before everyone turned into a damn jc i was making 400 gold a day from the one jc daily then turning the token in for a dragon's eye.. instant 400g on AH. Yeah I used to make bank on saronite ore now the mouth breathers are selling it for 18g a stack. I get it you want to sell your ore first but undercutting like retards doesn't help anyone but the consumer, and I say fuck the consumer.

[AnticorRifling]

Warrior - Pal tanks yeah sure. This is the age of the DK/Druid Tank. If I see blizzard coming down and a DK is tanking I pretty much check my gold to make sure i can afford repairs.

Then you have a failbot of a DK tank. AoE tanking couldn't be easier with a DK. Give me 3 global cooldowns and I can go eat a snack and not hit another key. The problem is there are a ton of horrible DKs out there and most of them think they are l33t meat shields.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah I used to make bank on saronite ore now the mouth breathers are selling it for 18g a stack. I get it you want to sell your ore first but undercutting like retards doesn't help anyone but the consumer, and I say fuck the consumer.

:rofl: at 18g a stack. I was selling that shit for 30g and selling all I could gather.

I was also selling northern spices for a ton of money at the beginning when people were all "OMG I NEED TO LEVEL COOKING TODAY!!!1111oneone" Same with frostweave, fish, meat, titanium, disenchanting mats, etc.. anything that people needed to level with, I was selling it.

[AnticorRifling]

:rofl: at 18g a stack. I was selling that shit for 30g and selling all I could gather.

I was also selling northern spices for a ton of money at the beginning when people were all "OMG I NEED TO LEVEL COOKING TODAY!!!1111oneone" Same with frostweave, fish, meat, titanium, disenchanting mats, etc.. anything that people needed to level with, I was selling it.
I know it's gone down hill. Disenchanting mats...you mean green weapons/armor or are you retarded and meant enchanting mats?

[Trouble]

Yeah I used to make bank on saronite ore now the mouth breathers are selling it for 18g a stack. I get it you want to sell your ore first but undercutting like retards doesn't help anyone but the consumer, and I say fuck the consumer.
For me it depends on whether or not most/all the items listed are from the same seller. If they're all from the same person, I assume they're trying to do the market fixing thing so I undercut just enough to be noticable. Most of the time the guy will buy me out and immediately resell at his price. On the other hand, if it looks like a good mix of sellers, I'll throw mine in at the middle to low end of the range and not undercut.

I'm working on funding my third epic flying mount so I'm trying my best to overcome my OCD hoarding habit. So far herbs are still the best, I guess because inscription is still a fad. Speaking of which, I too power-leveled my inscription guy so I have a stockpile of glyphs I'm unloading 1-2 at a time too. Anybody want a free one for their alts send Moocifer an in-game message (or me a PM here) with your preferences and I'll see what's in the pile.

Also, Dar should come back IMO. Elemental shamans are tons of fun and can do decent DPS now. We still have some problems with nature-immune mobs but with Lava Burst it's much more doable now.

[Some Rogue]

Ha, raiding has started to wipe out my bank account so I decided I was gonna spend a couple days this weekend questing. I made 1500g+ just doing all the Storm Peaks quests on my DK.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah questing still pulls in good money.

[SHAFT]

So yeah, smelting is the way to go. I had no idea when I started mining. Here I was thinking it'll take forever to get to a decent mining level JUST mining.

Thanks for the tips everyone. Because of you all I've def improved my toon.

[g++]

Ha, raiding has started to wipe out my bank account so I decided I was gonna spend a couple days this weekend questing. I made 1500g+ just doing all the Storm Peaks quests on my DK.

I was 1k/10k for breadwinner when i started doing loremaster of northrend for the deathchill cloak recipe im at 9.8k finishing up the group quests in icecrown with all the other areas complete.