Battlestar Galactica - Tonight 10/9C

[onurb]

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/5164/bsgno5.jpg

[radamanthys]

I sat down on the computer to make this thread, then got distracted.

I hate shiny objects.

But hooray for BSG! Marathon's been going on all day.

[Tea & Strumpets]

That picture is kind of funny.

[Back]

Camel toe funny.

[Rathgar]

I think I see her camel toe?

[Back]

At least its cute and not mule lips.

[Durgrimst]

That is a confirmed camel toe.

[holocene]

can't wait!

[Back]

That is one well proportioned woman. Golden rectangle.

[onurb]

What ever happened to the human-cylon baby? It was like a big thing in the first couple seasons and then it just faded away.

[Tea & Strumpets]

What ever happened to the human-cylon baby? It was like a big thing in the first couple seasons and then it just faded away.

I've seen a lot of the episodes, but not all of them. But the cylon baby is Athena's daughter Hera, n00b.

I only know that because BG is pretty good about releasing recaps before they release a new season, so I watched "10 things you need to know about Battlestar Galactica" or something like that on megavideo a few days ago, and the cylon baby was one of the things mentioned.

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=B4T9K4LP

[radamanthys]

Yea, that '10 things' clip has been playing on SciFi every few hours for the past week or so.

20 mins, mates. I'm a little giddy.

[Drew]

A bunch of friends are coming over, BSG party. When our powers combine, I am Captain Nerd!

[Ignot]

Bears, beets, battlestar galactica.

[radamanthys]

Ellen makes sense, I suppose.

Dee was a good candidate, too. That ended rather quickly. Shockingly, heh.

[Drew]

W T F mate?

[Drew]

My mind is reeling.

[Kuyuk]

Funny ass pic, I give it 1 toe up.

[radamanthys]

The best part of the show, in my opinion, is when Tyrol points to his atomic shadow and says "see that? That's me."

[Revalos]

Very good episode. Ellen was definitely one of my first suspects. I'm still rooting for there to be more (Gaeta has to be one...I mean come on). I recognized Dee was suicidal when she looked back at lee from the bulkhead door.

How many more episodes are left? 3? 7? I can't remember.

[CrystalTears]

At this point I think they're all cylons.

[radamanthys]

9 episodes remain, I believe. I remember hearing something about this final 'season' being 10 eps.

[Clove]

Everybody's a Cylon!

[Revalos]

At this point I think they're all cylons.

Heh...good point considering the way the episode's plot went down. Boy would that suck if they all find out when they die they all just get reborn a couple of light years away. Whoops.


9 episodes remain, I believe. I remember hearing something about this final 'season' being 10 eps.

I thought that that number of episodes included the first half of season 4...but that half had about 10 episodes already. I was just hoping to get some fucking closure before I go away for four months, but I guess I'll have to buy the episodes off of Itunes if Apple is still a solvent company if Steve Jobs doesn't come back this summer.

[CrystalTears]

The season is 20 episodes. Last year had 10 episodes and now we're finishing with the last 10 episodes. So we have 9 left. And after last night, I'm afraid to see what else happens, yet so eager.

[radamanthys]

I'm afraid to see what else happens, yet so eager.

I'm in the same boat.

Apparently, upon being given the final script, everyone in the cast was bawling. I'm half looking forward to it, half dreading it.

[TheLastShamurai]

i feel a very farscape-like ending coming upon us.

[Swami71]

Never seen this show. Just know they make fun of Dwight on the office for it. So what network is it on? Sci-Fi?

[Drew]

Never seen this show. Just know they make fun of Dwight on the office for it. So what network is it on? Sci-Fi?

Yeah but it's one of those shows you can't pick up in the middle. Rent/buy the miniseries or season 1 and see if you like it, you probably will.

[ViridianAsp]

Yeah but it's one of those shows you can't pick up in the middle. Rent/buy the miniseries or season 1 and see if you like it, you probably will.

You can rent them on netflix. I rented the first and second season.

[TheLastShamurai]

i just download everything. saves money and gives me something to watch when i am absorbing mad AvG EXP.

[TheLastShamurai]

gaeta's a gimpy piece of shit.

[CrystalTears]

gaeta's a gimpy piece of shit.
Agreed.

[Tisket]

gaeta's a gimpy piece of shit.

Totally. I want to use the standard insult of "he's so gay" but I'm reading a book by Brian Keene called "Dead Sea" about this badass gay zombie hunter who totally kicks zombie ass and saves people from having their brains eaten. So using "gay" as an insult isn't working so well for me at the moment.

/totally random

And I have not watched this weeks episode of BSG. I couldn't NOT click on this link though but I have not read any other posts in it in order to avoid spoilers. And I wanted to post something.

/not so random

[Drew]

This episode had a very season 2 feeling.

[Ravenstorm]

Totally. I want to use the standard insult of "he's so gay" but I'm reading a book by Brian Keene called "Dead Sea" about this badass gay zombie hunter who totally kicks zombie ass and saves people from having their brains eaten. So using "gay" as an insult isn't working so well for me at the moment.

You'd actually have been correct. It's been revealed that Gaeta is, in fact, gay.

Which sucks since he's a gimpy piece of shit.

[Tisket]

Source? I don't recall any storyline that outs the character. Or do you mean the actor? Or are you just fucking with me?!

[Drew]

Source? I don't recall any storyline that outs the character. Or do you mean the actor? Or are you just fucking with me?!

Ten part webisode series. Him and Mr. Hoshi are doing the horizontal tango.

[Ravenstorm]

Ten part webisode series. Him and Mr. Hoshi are doing the horizontal tango.

Yup. I haven't seen the webisodes but it made news.

http://tv.ign.com/articles/945/945080p1.html

[Tisket]

I haven't seen any of the webisodes yet. I think the writers could have picked better for their token gay than Gaeta though. He's such a slimy shithead.

[TheLastShamurai]

i webisodes couldn't hold my attention, mainly because they focused on gaeta.

[Clove]

Gaeta you fucking traitor.

[Clove]

I haven't seen any of the webisodes yet. I think the writers could have picked better for their token gay than Gaeta though. He's such a slimy shithead.You know how I know he's gay?

[Drew]

The webisodes: http://www.mininova.org/tor/2158988

[Revalos]

Gaeta is definitely a cylon. And this is like the fifth time he's gone traitor, since he used to work for Baltar back on New Caprica, then decided to turn traitor on the cylons and help the resistance, then he lied about Baltar signing the death warrants, then rejoined the military, then he loses his leg for being retarded, now this. Since they love bringing characters back from the precipice, I have to see him being a Cylon as the only way out.

I actually really enjoyed the Kara/Gaeta "Frack You, no no, Frack You!" scene. "I guess a pity frack is out of the question?"

[Drunken Durfin]

I really liked this series until all the Gaeta crap (overlooking the Apollo "I don't want to be a fighter pilot, I wanna be a politician" BS).

If they don't kill him off next week I am going to be very disappointed.

[Rimalon]

They better scramble the fucking Vipers soon. I need more space combat in my life.

[Tsa`ah]

Gaeta is definitely a cylon.

Unless they're going to reach out to the original series and pull a plot hole filler out of their ass' ... which is entirely possible ... I think Kara finding her own downed viper, pulling her own necklace off of her own corpse, and then burning her corpse sort of sealed the deal.

But as stated, unless they're going back to the plot hole filler of the original series ... or Farscape (as mentioned), Kara is likely the final cylon.

[CrystalTears]

They're not going to make it that simple.

[Drew]

I don't think Kara is a cylon. Everyone is assuming that is her corpse but what do we know? Just that there was a corpse with blonde hair and her necklace in the viper. Nothing more so we can't say for sure.

[Clove]

They're all Cylons.

[Revalos]

I wonder how they're going to off Gaeta...I can't think of a horrifying enough way just yet.

I really loved Starbuck in this episode, especially when she saved Apollo.

[TheLastShamurai]

im hoping he loses his arms and the other leg before its all over.

probably get lucky and die from an infection. see him scratching his leg? and he looks all pale and shit.

[radamanthys]

I had a thought last night...

The cylons created the humans. It'd fit into the whole "this will happen again" theme.

[Drew]

Man, awesome episode, Gaeta needs to go down!

[Clove]

"I could do this all day." Starbuck is back.

[radamanthys]

I just watched friday's episode a little bit ago.

The look on everyone's face when Adama started kissing roslin was priceless.

[onurb]

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[Ravenstorm]

I'm glad they didn't drag that out. Nor the aftermath.

Good episode.

[Rimalon]

I love when they have a bunch of "WILL HE SHOOT HIM IN COLD BLOOD... OR NOT?" moments.

These last two episodes have had a ton, and they have been sooper dooper.

Starbuck running out of ammo and the resulting pen kill was the best part of tonight's, though.

[TheLastShamurai]

Anyone seen the preview for that show Caprica?

I'm not really sure what to think about it. It just seems like they're trying to run the gravy train longer than needed.

[joehollywood]

Anyone seen the preview for that show Caprica?

I'm not really sure what to think about it. It just seems like they're trying to run the gravy train longer than needed.

Agreed...

But not as bad as "stargate:universe"

[Clove]

Off topic: Did anyone see the SG-1 episode after BSG's 2/20/09 episode. Okay I'm a huge Stargate movie fan, but never did get into SG-1 so maybe I'm biased... but has that series jumped the shark or what!!!?

[onurb]

Lame episode.

[Victor Mancini]

Watching the latest BSG episode right now. Ugh. It's a flashback to Caprica. They have exactly TWO SHOWS (including this one) to tie it all up, and they're going back to sissyplanet. Oh yay, present time. Nope, now they're back to Caprica.

I wasn't expecting another one of these flashbacks. This and Jimi Hendrix are the only really crappy things in this series. Let's see a fight already.

[FNLN]

Fuck this show. This last half of the season was as terrible as all of third season.

[Drakefang]

Fuck this show. This last half of the season was as terrible as all of third season.

I hate to say it, but when they stopped fighting the show went downhill pretty fast. I lost most of my interest in the show right after Razor. Yes, I do still watch episodes when time permits on on demand. Something to pass the time, I guess.

[onurb]

Now this is a very good episode.

If no one caught it at 9pm EST, it's playing 3 consecutive times.

It's a 2 hour 15 min special.

This episode is tying all the loose ends.

[Drew]

WTF? What a weird ending.

[Enceladus]

I found a lot of it, well.. predictable. Like where the jump coordinates would go, and what they'd find when they got there, and how what they'd found before wasn't exactly what everyone thought it was. (trying to avoid being overly spoilerific for the moment)

That being said... I did think it tied things up quite well, even if the last ten minutes or so got a little preachy.

[Victor Mancini]

The constant flashbacks to Caprica got on my nerves. I know they're really trying to pave the way for the new show, but I didn't find any of it necessary (though I liked the nudie club scenes).

Preachy ending. Battle scenes were cool, and I'm glad that one robot girl got her dues for throwing that girl out of the airlock.

All in all, this was not with a bang, but a whimper kinda ending. I guess I set myself up for it. I watched the pilot series and the first 1.5 seasons this past week. The pace and flow really changed this past season (it started with Hendrix and the season-long trial, and ended with this stuff).

I'm going to go take a shower and wash this nerdiness off of me.

[Clove]

WTF? What a weird ending.I liked the ending I didn't like the angels at the end. I was hoping for a better explanation of Baltar/Six's visions and I really didn't like Starbuck "dying and coming back as an angel" It just seemed like a ripoff. She didn't really die. She didn't face ambiguity of "being an enemy" like Tighe or Chief. Even though they played it up it was even harder to sympathize with her loss of Sam once she knew she was already "dead".

[Drunken Durfin]

Totally fucking lame ass ending.

Seriously.

I will pontificate more later as to avoid spoiling things for those who didn't get to watch last night.

[Kitsun]

I kinda liked it. I thought some parts were fucking patchworked explanations but on some level I thought it closed the series nicely.

[Latrinsorm]

I loved it. You can only blow shit up so many times, eventually something else is warranted. I *totally* loved the Bill/cabin scene. The angels chit-chatting part wasn't wholly necessary, no, but it was worthwhile.

Plus, more shots of Kara and Apollo with short hair! T3h hotz.

[crb]

Totally fucking lame ass ending, holy fucking letdown. Holy fucking weak writing. Seriously, the whole series just got knocked down a peg because they decided to get all idealistic.

SPOILERS

The first hour was good.

The second hour after they get to earth was fucking retarded.

"Hey, now that we're here, lets send all our gear into the sun and then take a backpack of provisions each and hike off in different directions to live like hermits."

Its like, like idiots, the writers came up with the idea that they wanted to tie the galactica world into our world and from there they worked their way back. Trying to devise a way to make the galactica people be our ancestors. So the only way is they come up with this ridiculous tree hugging "no cities no technology no common sense clean start" scenario.

Someone at the table needed to throw a book at Ronald Moore, or maybe instead throw a boxed set of Discovery's "Survivor Man" and show him how fucking hard it is to survive for a week on your own, and then ask him to explain how a bunch of spacemen were going to survive for years with no food, no shelter, and no knowledge about the local environment. Oh right, Baltar "knows farming." Whatever, so you're going to build a shelter, till the land (by hand) plant nonexistent seeds or find seeds of non-domesticated grains that you're completely unfamiliar with on this new planet, then grow, harvest, and process that grain all before winter, while in the meantime living off what? Hunting? Without your technology? Eh spaceman? Nevermind the fact that 150,000 years ago most food crops that sustain modern man didn't exist because they hadn't been hybridized yet, a process which took thousands of years. Agriculture didn't happen overnight, and couldn't.

And it isn't as if there weren't raptors and vipers on the surface that they never bothered to explain, so what'd have been the harm of allowing them to build a fucking city? Oh right... technology == bad, earth == good.

I dunno, has he not seen the new Star Trek trailer? Lots of pretty nature and wide open spaces and large shadows in the distance... hmmm... what could they be....? Perhaps could they be giant integrated habitats like the "argos" in some version of SimCity I played? Dude needs to go on a ride at "The Land" at Epcot Center at Disney world. There are lots of ways to reconcile high technology with environmental efficiency, and none of them is having a bunch of button pushers from outter space go off hiking like Bear Grylls with only a camera crew and a lifejacket on under his coat.

Then, wtf? No one wants to be friends anymore? Toss all the illogical stupidity of the situation out of the window? Everyone wants to be a fucking hermit? You watched the "last frakking special" and they were all like "its about the characters" well, apparently the characters don't like each other much, they all want to be alone.

Then, of course, Starbuck pulls a Coon and disappears when the camera pans away for a second. Whatever that is.

If any of you have read the Death Gate Cycle by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, this is the exact same thing. Pretty good fantasy novels, and then at the end they get all desperate to bring god into it and the make the world our world that the writing gets clumsy and contrived. Same damn thing here.

It was pretty awesome up to and including when Starbuck puts the jump coordinates in (predictable, but cool, and well filmed), and they could have ended it so much better. Maybe starbuck knew the coordinates because she is actually half cylon like hera. Make her Tigh's daughter or something (or maybe a Leoben was her father, hence the weird attraction stuff). Yay, family reunion. Then let them colonize the planet, president dies. Bill is sad, but he is there with his friends so it's okay.

No, instead we get a steaming pile of shit.

All told, the series HAS been weak since the rescue from new caprica. Basically it has muddled since the pegasus got destroyed. Weak.

[Rimalon]

...I agree with V, for the most part.

The explanation for Starbuck is wholly unacceptable.

As is the seeming redemption of Baltar. This man killed BILLIONS of people. Nevermind that he was acquitted in a trial. You're telling me no one is going to take a potshot at him on the Planet?

That preachy little speech of his in CIC to Cavil was just so out of place. And the explanation for the Virtual Six/Baltar was just... ugh. I don't know.

Also, Tyrol killed a person in COLD BLOOD that almost doomed the Fleet, nevermind getting Hera kidnapped in the first place. And they let him go roam the mountains? Yeah, right.

I also think Helo living and not dying was also a mistake... but that's probably a move to please the actor and not the character, so whatever.

First hour, awesome. Second hour... tried to tie up loose ends for the sake of tying of loose ends, and it didn't all work. Meh.

Edited to add: And when the frak did Hot Dog become the Best Viper Pilot Ever?

[FNLN]

Haha, you guys actually watched the end of this piece of shit?

(Well, OK I did too but it's like watching a train wreck, you can't look away. Also it ends p. nice if you just turn the TV off after Starbuck makes the jump.)

[crb]

Edited to add: And when the frak did Hot Dog become the Best Viper Pilot Ever?

Well ya, thats an obvious weakness in the writing right there. The two best pilots in the fleet were playing rambo in the cylon ship. Why? Because that is where the drama was.

But if they were realistically giving out assignments for that kind of a mission you know Starbuck and Apollo would be flying.

[Latrinsorm]

Also, Tyrol killed a person in COLD BLOOD that almost doomed the Fleet, nevermind getting Hera kidnapped in the first place. And they let him go roam the mountains? Yeah, right.He killed her in the opposite of cold blood; as a visceral reaction to seeing his wife being brutally killed.
As is the seeming redemption of Baltar. This man killed BILLIONS of people. Nevermind that he was acquitted in a trial. You're telling me no one is going to take a potshot at him on the Planet?I think one of the central themes of the ending was that everyone wanted to move on from the events of the entire series, to put everything behind them. Baltar has always been confused, selfish, and arrogant. This doesn't mean and has never meant he lacks the capacity to perform noble, even heroic actions, which in turn does not absolve him of anything. I think his weeping at the end along with the recall of his allowing the holocausts demonstrates that he is finally accepting what happened and his role in it. Remember when Adama gave him the truth drugs or whatever? Even under the influence of hallucinogens he was rationalizing everything that happened.

The idea of a supernatural/superhuman/supercylon presence has been part of the series from the very beginning. I don't understand why some of you guys are so outraged over spiritual manifestation.
And when the frak did Hot Dog become the Best Viper Pilot Ever?Neither Starbuck nor Apollo have flown in months, plus the vipers were just part of the diversion. What other pilots are/were left?

[That Jay]

The idea of a supernatural/superhuman/supercylon presence has been part of the series from the very beginning. I don't understand why some of you guys are so outraged over spiritual manifestation.Neither Starbuck nor Apollo have flown in months, plus the vipers were just part of the diversion. What other pilots are/were left?

Maybe because I was hoping for more and got less.

Maybe because I was hoping for new and got old (really really old).

[CrystalTears]

He killed her in the opposite of cold blood; as a visceral reaction to seeing his wife being brutally killed.I think one of the central themes of the ending was that everyone wanted to move on from the events of the entire series, to put everything behind them. Baltar has always been confused, selfish, and arrogant. This doesn't mean and has never meant he lacks the capacity to perform noble, even heroic actions, which in turn does not absolve him of anything. I think his weeping at the end along with the recall of his allowing the holocausts demonstrates that he is finally accepting what happened and his role in it. Remember when Adama gave him the truth drugs or whatever? Even under the influence of hallucinogens he was rationalizing everything that happened.

The idea of a supernatural/superhuman/supercylon presence has been part of the series from the very beginning. I don't understand why some of you guys are so outraged over spiritual manifestation.Neither Starbuck nor Apollo have flown in months, plus the vipers were just part of the diversion. What other pilots are/were left?
Agreed with it all. As much as I would have preferred something different for Starbuck, I was fine with the angel theory... probably because I believe in angels.

Hot Dog has been a pilot since this series started. He IS their best at this point. Why would he not be the best choice?

[That Jay]

Also sci-fi is all about WHY. Its not fairy story where things don't have to be explained.

Deus Ex Machina is always a poor writer's last resort.

Deus ECK! Machina in this case.

[Tisket]

There were things I enjoyed about the finale like the chief strangling Tori (it was satisfying to have the bitch die at his hands) and things I disliked like the new admiral (what was it, his second fucking episode?) but overall I really enjoyed the finale especially the battle scenes. I also liked the way they tied the shared dream together.

However I did feel that Cavil blowing his own brains out was totally out of character for him. And what the hell...Lucy Lawless had more pressing things to do than show up for one episode?

My favorite lines of the show were when Baltar and the Six are talking to their angel selves and one of them asks rather hopefully "that's all God wants of us then?" to which the angel replies "God's plan is never complete." to which Baltar replies in a disappointed voice "Great.". Cracked me up.

[Tisket]

Well ya, thats an obvious weakness in the writing right there. The two best pilots in the fleet were playing rambo in the cylon ship. Why? Because that is where the drama was.


God forbid the two lead actors get put where the drama is...

I'm just thankful you don't write/direct for television dude.

[Ravenstorm]

The first hour was made of awesome. The second hour sucked. The entire ending was a deus ex machina contrivance for the sole purpose of giving everyone a happy ending.

A much better ending would have had the Galactica jump far enough away (to Earth) that they couldn't rendezvous with the fleet. The ships wait a week or so before deciding they have to move on and they, along with the Cylon skinjobs and Centurions, fly off into the sunset as allies to try to build a future never knowing what happened. Meanwhile the Galactica is falling apart so everyone on it is forced to go native on Earth. The End.

[crb]

God forbid the two lead actors get put where the drama is...

I'm just thankful you don't write/direct for television dude.
... because consistency is overrated?

BSG has never had consistency for their characters. If BSG was a hospital show one week Starbuck/Helo/Apollo would be cardiologists, then the next week they'd be gynecologists. The week later they'd be chiropractors, then Helo would suddenly be an acupuncturist.

Now, if my "grand" idea for a finale required me to do inconsistent things with my lead characters, I would probably think of something else.

Really, for the last couple seasons the writers came up with an idea, then pushed square characters into round holes to make it fit.

That is why it is lazy writing. They'd rather be inconsistent with characters in order to fit a story, than to work harder on the story so they can remain consistent with characters.

If you've ever read Robert Jordan, he is a great example of lazy writing. He'll write his characters into a corner then invent so formerly unmentioned by obvious to the characters super-magical-happy-hour escape tool for them.

[Rimalon]

Really, for the last couple seasons the writers came up with an idea, then pushed square characters into round holes to make it fit.


This. If you watched the Last Frakking Special last Monday, the writers/producer had a meeting DURING SEASON 3 to decide who the Final Five Cylons were. They should have decided that in Season 1 and built toward it. It shows that they never planned on fleshing out their mythology to the point where it was actually going to make complete sense; instead, they patched in a bunch of quasi-satisfying-answers (Starbuck and the Virtuals are... angels? Yeah, let's do that, that sort of works.)

It's just disappointing, for a show that was so consistently on target about realism and the human condition... to throw all that out the window for the second hour of the finale. Eh.

[Tisket]

I didn't find the characters development to be unbelievable at all. Listen, you're floating around in space with a very limited pool of survivors, you don't think you'd adjust and take on roles you might otherwise never consider?

And as far as the whole angel thing...you talk about "realism" but the entire series has had a spiritual slant to it from the very beginning. This isn't something that just cropped up in the last two episodes. Where did you think that was leading anyway? Was it really that much a surprise to you that they took it a further step?

[Clove]

The angel thing wasn't about realism for me. I just didn't like how abruptly they entered the plot. Sure there was talk of God's (Gods') will and prophecy's throughout the series. Sure hints were thrown out that Baltar/Six's visions could be angelic/divinely inspired, along with hints that they could be delusions or (at one point) could be a form of Cylon "visualizing". Then (it felt to me) suddenly the answers all come at once. They were angels the whole time guiding the humans and Cylons. What's more Starbuck has been dead for some time now and she's an angel too. To me it was like they snatched the soul from Starbuck and turned her from a character to a device. Even her soulful sit-down with Sam before he went into the sun seemed diminished for me. If Starbuck is only some kind of incarnation of a woman long dead... and Sam is about to BE dead... what exactly is she so solemn about? Seems to like to me like Sam's journey into the sun was about to take him right back to Starbuck again. I'm not against the principle of the divine element in the plot, I just would have liked it better if they developed more of it earlier and gave it more time to breath and not sprung it on us in the last few episodes all at once. Overall I enjoyed the ending, the angel bit was my only disappointment.

[875000]

Even her soulful sit-down with Sam before he went into the sun seemed diminished for me. If Starbuck is only some kind of incarnation of a woman long dead... and Sam is about to BE dead... what exactly is she so solemn about? Seems to like to me like Sam's journey into the sun was about to take him right back to Starbuck again.

If I am not mistaken, right before they cut away from Sam, he made a comment to the effect he would be seeing her again shortly. Which fits, as his hybrid status would allow him to see into the future.

Kara hadn't fully realized what she was yet. Because Sam was a hybrid, he did and knew what would happen to her.

[crb]

Lets just all hope and pray that Lost ends better.

And so far, I would say, the writing on Lost is infinitely better. Though, I see a sandtrap to the right where they could run afoul.

BSG had a good 2 seasons, and if you stopped watching after the rescue from new Caprica you'd have little to complain about.

[Tisket]

I'll watch Lost again when they come out with a home study companion guide. Or "Lost for Dummies". The two episodes I have watched made no sense at all to me.

[Latrinsorm]

The time travel show is less deus ex machina to you, crb? Seriously?

[Rolton-Sammich]

Just finished watching the finale.

Someone pooped in my ending. :birdshit:

[crb]

The time travel show is less deus ex machina to you, crb? Seriously?
I get the impression Lost's writers are not inventing things as they go. I get the impression that they have things planned out. Deus ex machina is suddenly resolving the plot through outside influence, just because a series involves time travel doesn't mean they're merely using it as a convenient plot device to resolve things. The series has always been about time travel. There is a lot of shit on season 1 you cannot explain without it (or something equally crazy).

Thats what nice about Lost, it is so complex with so much shit from previous episodes always being brought up again that you know the writers aren't just phoning it in. Every time they tie up a loose end or bring up something from the past that you thought was insignificant they're reminding you that they have a grand plan that they're slowly revealing to us and not merely walking into the room each week thinking "What will we let Jack and Sawyer get into this week?"

Lost is relatively unique in TV history in that the creators went to the network and asked for an end date, so that they could properly pace the reveal. They muddled a bit in a couple seasons killing time because they didn't know how long the series would last and didn't want to start the end game too soon, but as soon as the end was announced everything got sharpened and (writers strike sidetrack aside) on track to a good, well thought out, relevant ending.

[TheLastShamurai]

Anyone else see the trailer for "The Plan."

Kinda feels like Farscape all over again. Weak ending, so lets make up for it with a mini thingy (Not that I didn't love the Peacekeeper Wars).

[Clove]

If I am not mistaken, right before they cut away from Sam, he made a comment to the effect he would be seeing her again shortly. Which fits, as his hybrid status would allow him to see into the future.

Kara hadn't fully realized what she was yet. Because Sam was a hybrid, he did and knew what would happen to her.You're missing the point. You can rationalize it after the fact, but for me, the viewer who was told by the characters that she was an angel at that point I felt that Kara Thrace had been suddenly transformed from person to device.

[FNLN]

Anyone else see the trailer for "The Plan."

Kinda feels like Farscape all over again. Weak ending, so lets make up for it with a mini thingy (Not that I didn't love the Peacekeeper Wars).

Farscape only had a weak ending because SciFi was a bunch of big mean doo doo heads and canceled it.

[Tsa`ah]

I had to dvr the last two episodes and watched them last night ... I've been avoiding this thread like the plague.


I think his weeping at the end along with the recall of his allowing the holocausts demonstrates that he is finally accepting what happened and his role in it. Remember when Adama gave him the truth drugs or whatever? Even under the influence of hallucinogens he was rationalizing everything that happened.

I think you're giving Baltar too much credit. To me his weeping at the end was his realization that all his work, education, accomplishments ... so on and so forth didn't help him escape what he was running from, trying to bury, all of his life ... in the end he became nothing more than a farmer.

I thought the finale needed a bit more, but in the end wasn't lacking in the "twists and WTFs" the entire series gave me. I thought for sure that Thrace was a cylon and then kicked myself when the 5th was revealed and re-watched the "earth" episode and paid more attention to Sol's flashback.

Anyone that watched the original series probably held the notion that we "earthlings" were the lost tribe and assumed the first "earth" in this series was our own. I liked the twist.

[CrystalTears]

Baltar going back to being a farmer means he has accepted himself and what he has done in his past, and was actually embracing it.

[Tsa`ah]

Your take, not mine. It's the realization that he only briefly escaped the farm and would live out his life in insignificance.

[Latrinsorm]

No matter what he did after the series ended, it can't rationally be said he was insignificant. Almost directly responsible for billions of deaths, saves the President's life, becomes Vice President and President of the colonies, allows the occupation of New Caprica, becomes the most hated man alive, becomes the head of a personality cult whose members represent a plurality of the fleet, then personally establishes an armistice between rebel Cylons and the coalition that ends up saving the remnants of humanity. The guy's Quisling, Hirohito, Gandhi, and Jesus rolled into one, plus he had a slamming hot wife. I doubt very much even someone as arrogant as Baltar could find such a life "insignificant", no matter how many aphids he squished.

[Tsa`ah]

No matter what he did after the series ended, it can't rationally be said he was insignificant.

No need to go further. No one ever said he was insignificant prior to settling on earth. He was pivotal/instrumental.

What was said is that his tears in that conversation were the result of his realization that he would spend the rest of his days (from that point on) in insignificance.

[Revalos]

Old thread alert!

I was in Iraq for the actual airing, and much against all my fellow BSG watcher's wishes that I never see the steaming pile of crap that was the last hour of this series, I just watched the finale tonight. And I think everyone else has described adequately how unfufilling it was.

I mean seriously. Why not have Galactica show up on real Earth around the time just before Greek Civilization got started instead of 150,000 years ago? You'd then explain how the Greeks had such high tech (and democratic government) for their time. The gods would fit. Hell, it might even make sense for some of the people actually to look like...gasp...Gods to those early Greeks. Like say Apollo...and Athena...and...um...Starbangel. Then for the requisite cheezyness have some semblance of the Greek Myths played out by the BSG characters...I know who gets to be Bacchus!

Wouldn't that have been better?

Oh well...I'm glad I really didn't miss a really good ending since I had been completely spoiled for it.

[Latrinsorm]

The Greeks probably would have murdered them on sight for being foreigner/barbarians, then ripped off some more of Babylonian civilization.

I still like the ending! :)